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Dylan620

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Nomination

Dylan620 (talk · contribs) – Once more, I submit myself for your consideration. I first registered an account back in September 2007, though I didn’t begin editing actively until late August 2008. I've got over 13,000 edits under my belt, and I've been trusted with rollback for over 2 years (and reviewer privileges since November, though I don't use them often). While I'm not an artist, I do have some experience with article writing; most notably Timeline of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season, which I got to both FL status and to the DYK section on the main page; my most recent such endeavor would be improving Timeline of the 2004 Pacific hurricane season from Start-Class to C-Class (which is a bigger improvement than it sounds; the timeline was literally incomplete before I came along). I help out in the mainspace in other ways as well, through anti-vandalism efforts, dead link cleanup, and general maintenance. Most of my activity rests in maintenance work, like the aforementioned mainspace work, broken redirect cleanup, and any general cleanup opportunity I come across.

I have run for adminship before, though that request was quickly sunk due to my answers to a couple questions, and due to maturity issues as well. That was 16 months ago; I believe I've improved with regards to my maturity (though that may simply be from getting older), and I've also formulated better answers to my questions as well. Do I believe I'm perfect? Absolutely not! But nobody's perfect, and I believe I'm worth a shot at the mop. If this passes, I look forward to helping you all out in a greater capacity than previously possible for me. --Dylan620 12:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: This is a self-nomination, so obviously I accept. While I'm here, I would like to give special thanks to Soap (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), who was a guiding force for me during my learning curve, and would have nominated me if he wasn't busy IRL. --Dylan620 15:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I plan to start off slowly; I will only take admin action in areas where I feel comfortable doing so. For now, this entails AIV, UAA, broken redirect cleanup, the image blacklist, and community ban discussions at AN or ANI. I may eventually branch out into areas such as CSD in general or XfD, but not before I get more experience there.

Forgot to mention WP:PERM; I plan to review requests for rollback, account creator, and autopatrolled rights.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: As both a featured list and a DYK item, Timeline of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season is still the contribution I'm proudest of. I'm also proud of my completion of the Timeline of the 2004 Pacific hurricane season, though I failed to get that through FLC. In general, I'm proud of any contribution to Misplaced Pages which helps the site, along with any of my limited content contributions (like my first article, the help I gave to NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) with his article on William Thompson Lusk, and the Timeline of the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season and how the related FLC from November 2008 helped me to improve my editing).

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: My answer to this question at my last RfA still applies here, but I've had some more conflicts since then. Here I shall elaborate on two: the first is where I was a party in a conflict, and the second is where I tried my hands at dispute resolution:

Child protection: At a recent ANI thread, I redacted multiple comments about an editor's age; this action was met with criticism from an editor who repeatedly demanded to see the policy justification for this (the standard practice is currently not written in policy AFAIK). I was one of multiple editors who tried to explain to them that it was standard practice to censor the ages of underage editors; I did so using essays which explained the current practice (and that common sense should win the day), but this did not satisfy them. I soon backed off from this particular incident, feeling comfortable that they would eventually understand; Department of Redundancy Department (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) made it clear that even though it is an essay, Misplaced Pages:Protecting children's privacy accurately describes the standard practice in such situations; while Aiken drum (talk · contribs) pointed them to an actual policy. I should note, though, that Misplaced Pages needs a far better child protection policy. Children on the Internet need protection from more than pedophiles; if we have a standard practice to censor the ages of self-disclosed minors, then that should be included in the policy as well. I think I'll head over to WP:VPP to propose that once this RfA is transcluded...

Iaaasi (talk · contribs) community ban discussion: And relevant discussion here. Another editor complained to me that Iaaasi was using his newly-restored talk page access to sling mud at him, questioning the purpose of restoring it in the first place. He also referred to Iaaasi as "User:Bonaparte/User:Iaaasi" (he had mentioned at the ban discussion that Iaaasi was previously suspected to be a sock of Bonaparte), and also claimed that Iaaasi had committed "falsifications and distortions" without providing evidence as to just what they were. I explained to the editor that Iaaasi's talk page access had been restored so that he could respond to comments in the ban discussion; I also remarked that saying that Iaaasi was Bonaparte (when that link was never proven), and making unsourced allegations of misbehavior by Iaaasi, were personal attacks. The editor explained himself, and gave examples of Iaaasi's "falsifications and distortions" - some examples I agreed with, some I did not. After the discussion was closed and Iaaasi community-banned, we decided that the matter was now irrelevant, and left it there.

So basically, if I'm involved in a dispute — whether as a party or as a mediator — I know to hear what the editors have to say, remain calm, point out where they are violating policy, and when to let it go.

Additional optional question from Wifione _.......

4. Give at least two cases/reasons when a user can be blocked indefinitely without having even one live contribution or deleted contribution on record?

A: One such case is when a username is incredibly offensive (Fucktard366, JewsdidWTC, etc.); another is when an account carries the same username as/a username identical to a prolific cross-wiki vandal (such as Grawp).

5. You notice a new user name being created, Pepsi200. What action, if any, would you take?

A: To use a UAA template: Wait until the user edits. Simply having "Pepsi" in the username does not merit administrative action. However, when it becomes apparent that the account exists only to promote Pepsi, that is time to block.

Additional question from Keepscases

6. The Wikimedia Foundation decides they would like a celebrity spokesperson, and they've entrusted you to make the decision (Misplaced Pages spokesperson is such a prestigious position that any living celebrity would of course accept). Whom do you select? Why?

A: Chuck Norris. Need I explain myself?

Meh, if you ask me, his beard alone would be sufficient. -FASTILY 22:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Question from StrPby (talk) 01:56, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

7. Do you believe RFA is broken? If so, how is it broken? (I do not require your opinions on how to fix it, if you agree it is broken.)

A: Well, too many candidates leave the site in tears because of hostile comments at their RfA. Some candidates have a few kinks in them; instead of kindly asking the candidate to work them out before coming back to RfA, we tell them that they're a net negative and that we don't need them here. And when a great candidate is simply eager to help out, we accuse them of power hunger. But despite my strong dissatisfaction with the outcomes of such RfA's, I cannot in good faith say that RfA is broken; if it is, then why do we still have marvelous candidates passing with flying colors?

Question from /ƒETCHCOMMS/

8. Communication is obviously a very important part of Misplaced Pages's collaborative editing environment. While you have many user talk- and project talk space edits, you have very few (186 as of 03:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)) article talk space edits. Any particular reason, or was it just fate?

A: 'Twas fate. I'm not the most prolific article writer, and never have been; that said, I have raised concerns about articles on talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4); this was also an early attempt at dispute resolution.

Additional question from Kansan

9. In your answer to question 1, you mentioned wanting to work with the image blacklist. What, specifically, do you want to do in that area? Kansan (talk) 15:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

A: I plan to rectify incorrect exceptions and review requests to add images to the blacklist. For instance, say there is a sexually explicit image/an image frequently being used for vandalism; if a request is made at Mediawiki talk:Bad image list to add such an image to the blacklist, I will grant it if there are no problems. Also, I recently asked for File:Wikibukkake.png's (warning: NSFW) exception to be changed from Bukkake to Bukkake (sex act); I'd like to be able to eliminate the middle man in such cases. However, if I see an image which I believe should be added to the blacklist, I would feel more comfortable if another admin reviewed my request, instead of sending it straight to the blacklist myself.

Additional question from Salvio giuliano

10. What is the difference between a softerblock and a spamublock; when would you employ the former instead of the latter and vice versa?

A: A softerblock is employed when an account has a promotional username and edits, but when the user behind the account appears to be editing in good faith; i.e. the editor does not appear to be aware that advertising/self-promotion is not permitted. A softerblock permits the blockee's access to their own talk page, ability to use the e-mail function, and ability to create another account while still logged in; autoblock is disabled as well. A spamublock is somewhat similar in that it is also employed on accounts with promotional usernames, but instead of misguided advertising/self-promotion, the editor is engaging in blatant, bad-faith spamming; while one's access to their own talk page and the e-mail function is still permitted with a spamublock, creation of another account while already logged in is disallowed, and an autoblock is in place. I would use a softerblock if the account's only edit was advertising/self-promotion within its userspace; or, if an account engaged in advertising by creating a single page, the page was tagged for speedy deletion, and the author removed the speedy tag; in that case, the author may simply have not known how to contest the speedy deletion of a page. I would use a spamublock if it was clear that the editor was intent on spamming; for instance, if they spammed on multiple pages, or if their spam was reverted/deleted and they insisted on re-creating it. Obviously as both types of blocks are for accounts whose usernames match their promotional edits, I would use neither block if that was not the case. (apologies for the somewhat verbose answer here)

Additional question from Lambanog

11. You are evaluating a dispute between two editors on a little visited article. One editor wishes to add a better citations style format banner; another wishes to remove it. They are on the verge of an edit war. What policies and guidelines apply? What else are you looking at to determine if the banner should stay or not?

A: Per Kudpung's comments here and here, I don't really feel comfortable responding in the form of an answer to a RfA question, though I will say this: tags are stupid things to edit war over.

Additional question from Likeminas

12. Will you be open for voluntary recall? Why? and if so, after how long do you feel a stand for "re-confirmation" of adminship is warranted?

A: Yes, I will be open to recall. I'd use the sample process with some modifications. Any editor who feels I am no longer sufficiently trustworthy for adminship may initiate a recall petition at User:Dylan620/Admin/Recall. The petition will last for one week; if six editors have signed the petition during that time, then a reconfirmation RfA will commence when the week is up. (In order to initiate or sign the petition, an editor must have at least three months tenure, at least 1,000 edits, and no blocks for the past three months; all editors whom I have blocked or otherwise sanctioned are exempt from these conditions.) The reconfirmation RfA will play out like a typical RfA; if I pass, I remain an administrator, and if I fail, I head over to meta:Steward requests/Permissions to relinquish the tools. Also like a typical RfA, the end result will be determined by a bureaucrat.

Another question from Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 04:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

13. Looking through your talk archives, I found something quite curious. This is from a few years ago, but it's worth bringing up to see if you learned from it. Could you explain Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Dylan620/1985_Planet_Ceres_Atlantic_Hurricane_Season, what the pages were about (why had you created them, for example) , and what you would do in the present day if, as an admin, you came across a similar page belonging to a new user?

A: Sure. I began as a MySpacer; dreaming up hypothetical/fictional hurricane seasons was a hobby of mine, and I wanted to share it with my fellow Wikipedians. Until the MfD, I was uninformed of any harm my pages could have done; I never would have thought that something in my userspace could be a threat to Misplaced Pages's integrity, nor that there was any risk that readers could believe that the events described in those pages really happened. I managed to transfer all of the pages to Wikia before they were deleted, and that material has stayed off of Misplaced Pages since then. I later applied the lessons from that MfD to a similar page in the article space; see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2009 International Series hurricane season. In retrospect, I suppose a templated message might have been a bit bitey; next time, I will still nominate the page for deletion, but instead of the standard template, I will leave a friendly, personalized note explaining to the user why I think the page to be deleted, pointing them to relevant policies/guidelines/helpful essays, and inviting them to drop a note on my talk page if they have any further questions.

Additional question from AlexandrDmitri

14. How would you handle a request for the Account Creator permission from a user who has created just twelve accounts in two days (and has hit the six per day limit twice)?

A: I would grant the request. On one hand, the user could be collecting hats; on the other, they could be making a genuine offer to help out at ACC, and a request for us to help them do so. Obviously the user is relatively new to ACC, so I would keep an eye on them and point out if they are making mistakes.

Additional questions from Ancient Apparition

15. This is a follow-up question to Q10., you say you'd block a user if their only edit has been to their userspace or they created a page that contains promotional material, that is not an appropriate use of the block function if it was in good-faith and if those edits were the only edits made.

A:

16. You say you wish to work with files in an administrator capacity, could you please give your interpretation of the core file policies?

A:

Additional question from Kiefer.Wolfowitz

17. How are you performing in school? How do parents and teachers view your investment in Misplaced Pages, and sacrifice of study and social time? (You have eloquently written about WP's obligation to protect minors, so I trust that you may pardon and indeed understand my concern—which some may view as paternalism.) Please protect your privacy, and preferably consult a parent before answering:

A:

General comments

• Requests for adminship/Dylan620
• Requests for adminship/Dylan620 2

• Links for Dylan620: Dylan620 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
• Edit summary usage for Dylan620 can be found here.

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion

• Edit count stats posted to talk page. --Dylan620 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
• I think he'd make a good admin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.166.224 (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Support

1. Support. You'll make a great administrator. I feel really bad about not being able to come up with a good nomination statement, but I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to write anything as good as yours even if I had lots of time to work on it. —Soap— 16:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   That's quite alright; I appreciate that you tried :) --Dylan620 17:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

2. Support. I see a high level of reasonableness from this candidate; the recent ANI shenanigans cemented this. No concerns about this editor becoming an admin. Good luck, UltraExactZZ ~ Did 16:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
3. Support This candidate seems to have a good editing history, and seems to have a good track record in the areas they profess an interest in. I support the candidates cautious attitude in Q1, and while I don't agree with the substantive position in the first part of Q3, the candidate seems to have handled the dispute well. I see no reason why this candidate cannot be trusted with the mop. Monty₈₄₅ 16:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
4. Longterm user, seems mature and sensible. ϢereSpielChequers 16:45, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
5. Support. I've found Dylan620 to be a sensible and helpful editor, and I trust him to use the tools wisely. 28bytes (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
6. Support I've seen you around in the right places and you seem to know what you're doing. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
7. Support: I recall the two issues referred to in Q3. In the child one, I fully support your removal of sensitive information - the protection of minors (including from their own carelessness) is of paramount importance. But it's not agreeing with me that counts - what actually counts is that you handled the dispute calmly. I've also had a look over the Iaaasi case, and I think your contribution was excellent - very fair and even-handed. And looking back at a reasonable number of random samples of your contributions, I see nothing but good stuff -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
8. Strong Support, Dylan has the time, experiance and communication necessary for acquiring the mop. –BuickCenturyDriver 17:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
9. Dylan620 has changed a lot in the time I've known him: I remember having concerns about him and being critical a couple of times, but that was long before 2009 ended. Nowadays he is much more mature; his work, both to content and maintenance, is good, and whenever I see Dylan620 around I am always pleased: I have no concerns now and am happy to support his request for adminship. Acalamari 17:18, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
10. No concerns at all. Seems competent and is experienced. Has clearly learned from last RFA which occurred ages ago. AD 17:30, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
11. Support As far as I can determine, Dylan has matured considerably since his first RFA and is now experienced and clueful to be an administrator. Regards SoWhy 17:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
12. Support No concerns. -- RP459 /_{Contributions} 17:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
13. Support good breadth and depth of experience Jebus989 17:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
14. Support - no issues or concerns that you will misuse the tools. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
15. (edit conflict) Support - No reservations here. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
16. Support - No reason why not, adminship is not a big deal and this candidate has shown proficiency in many areas of administrative work. Ajraddatz (Talk) 18:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
17. Support I think this editor has improved this time compared to the previous RFA. Minima© (talk) 18:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
18. Support I like what you said about the protection of minors! I wasn't here in 2009 so I can't comment on any of that. Based on the progress you've made since then, yes, you're ready for the mop (and the "crappy" t-shirt).  :) This lousy T-shirt (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
19. Support Last time around, I opposed due to maturity issues. However, a quick flip through your talk page and contributions show that you've changed a lot since then.--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 18:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
20. Support – I have no concerns with Dylan holding the mop. —mc10 (t/c) 18:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
21. Friendly and motivated. Also, per Soap. - Dank (push to talk) 18:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

    Support, per Dank. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.111.111.46 (talk) 19:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC) (indent - IPs aren't allowed to !vote at RfA -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC))

22. Support. Decker41811a (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

    Am I the only one who finds it a bit suspicious that the above !vote is Decker41811a's first edit? --Dylan620 02:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

    CU note: There are one or two valid paths how this user ended up here, and no abuse of multiple accounts is apparent on first glance. Amalthea 07:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

23. Support nice edits Pass a Method talk 20:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
24. Support. Tiderolls 21:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
25. Support Keepscases (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
26. Support Great Editor, been around long enough (13,000). And although the edit count does not make the editor, he is sensible and has been around long enough to know how the mop needs to be used (as he has demonstrated above). I believe he will do a fabulous job as an admin, and has proven that he won't abuse the tools. I say we give him the mop. _{@ d \/\/ | | |} 21:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
27. Support Why not? -FASTILY 22:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
28. What we have here is an enthusiastic contributor who had a few issues but has done an excellent job of improving, and I think he's mature enough now that he can take on the job. ceranthor 22:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
29. Strong Support: I have worked with user on numerous occasions and have always found them to be knowledgable, helpful and willing to work with others. I strongly support Dylan getting an adminship. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
30. Strong support Certainly deserves the tools. WayneSlam 00:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
31. Strong support. I was one of the editors you redacted in the AN/I discussion mentioned above. Your e-mail to me was professional, polite, and to the point, and your decision was IMO correct and in line with what policy we have regarding minors. Your actions showed initiative and common sense, and I was highly impressed. I think you'd handle the mop just as thoughtfully. --NellieBly (talk) 01:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
32. Support per above. -download ׀ sign! 02:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
33. Support. per above too. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) /_S 03:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
34. tentative support - I partly agree with NW's concerns below but three years without anything worse leads me to think that a trial with admin tools is feasible. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
35. I understand why NW is opposing, but I can't really agree with him without being hypocritical. So, here I am... T. Canens (talk) 07:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
36. Weak support. Dylan620's content creation is lacking a little and "Believe (Staind song)" is disappointing, but otherwise contributions are okay. Axl ¤ 09:16, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
37. Strong Support: Give the man a mop - he can be trusted with it Brookie :) - he's in the building somewhere! 09:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
38. Support. Trustworthy and mature. If he breaks the wiki, I'll eat my hat. -- œ 12:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
39. Support - I sense a degree of maturity with this candidate and a willingness to tread slowly into unfamiliar areas. P. D. Cook 13:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
40. Support Seems well meaning and trustworthy. I hope he'll have more edits as an admin and do some quality writing, of which he seems capable.--tWehwalt (talk) 22:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
41. Support - seems to have intentions in the right place -- Tawker (talk) 04:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
42. Support - the issue with the Staind song article is disappointing, but not enough to prevent me from supporting. I am especially impressed by your commitment to our child protection policies, which I think are more important than most of us think. You also say that you intend to tread slowly in any area you don't feel comfortable, and this leads me to think you won't cause any problems. Kansan (talk) 04:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
43. Support - Candidate seems cluful, intelligent and knowledgeable about Misplaced Pages policies. mauchoeagle 05:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
44. Support The contributions I checked out were great. Perfect example of how to learn from an unsuccessful RFA. --Banana (talk) 06:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
45. Weak Support I was considering an oppose per NW, (and that Im weary over the recent editing exp and time, it is too small....) but I think you would be a net benefit based on previous editing time and some of your views/answers on questions. I and others are giving you the thumbs up, make us proud. Ottawa4ever (talk) 10:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
46. Support Meets my criteria. The answer to Q7 struck me as a bit odd, but neither the question nor its response have really anything much to do with whether Dylan will make a good admin or not, and I'm sure he will. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:15, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
47. Support - long term competent and enthusiastic user, who'd likely make prolific and effective use of admin tools. Dylan did have some maturity issues to start with but has always been a dedicated contributor - and it all looks good to me at this point. ~ mazca 17:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
48. Weak support - User's a member of WikiProject Bacon. No concerns. Swarm 18:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

    Seriously? NW (Talk) 16:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

    No. Swarm 23:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

49. Support Dylan has helped me two different times, and he seems to be ready for the administrator privileges.--Nyswimmer (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
50. Support I feel, looking at his record, that this user will use the tools wisely. I am certain that he will not damage the encyclopedia. There are a few minor concerns raised in the Oppose section but hey, nobody's perfect. --Anthony Bradbury 21:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
51. Support, this user looks trustworthy enough to use the tools. Good luck! Tavix |  Talk  23:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
52. I trust Soap's judgement. Secret 23:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
53. Support. Although I agree that there are a few minor concerns, here, I do believe you'll appropriately use the tools; by the way, I also liked your answer to my question. Salvio 00:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
54. Support I supported last time, this time is no exception ;)--White Shadows 01:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
55. Weak support. He's become a lot more mature since last RfA, and I think he's ready. I have concerns that he won't be bold enough with his tools (we learn from trial and error), and may not be the right guy to make a tough call as a result. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
56. Weak support It's disappointing to see an editor who has done some content work in the past, like Dylan, almost completely cease to do so. Ideally, most administrators would also continue to actively work on articles; unfortunately, that is not the case. Since his last RfA, Dylan made the decision to spend most of his time on Misplaced Pages participating in administrative areas rather than improving articles. That was his choice. Because it seems that his work in the project namespace has been helpful and not problematic, and because he's mainly interested in maintenance and administration as opposed to writing and editing, I think both Dylan and Misplaced Pages stand to benefit from his being granted adminship. Ultimately, based on his editing patterns since his last RfA, I suppose Dylan would only become a heavy content contributor in the future if he wanted to game the system to pass a third RfA. Surely that isn't something we want to encourage. People are going to do the things they enjoy on Misplaced Pages; in Dylan's case, we might as well give him some tools to help him do so. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
57. Support - The user has been here long enough to know our policies well, and I see he does have experience in the areas he desires to use the tools in. I also don't see anything particularly troublesome in recent times. PCHS-NJROTC 04:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
58. So basically, if I'm involved in a dispute — whether as a party or as a mediator — I know to hear what the editors have to say, remain calm, point out where they are violating policy, and when to let it go. All I needed to hear to support. Just remember to live by it no matter what. Shiva (Visnu) 07:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
59. Support. I see no reason to oppose; I believe he can be trusted. Yes Michael? • 07:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
60. Support No concerns here. I believe he can be trusted CalumH93|talk 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
61. Support. No problems, no doubt he'll be a good admin. Trusted, experienced, very good candidate. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 14:43, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
62. Wifione _....... 19:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
63. Moneya weak support Formerly weakly opposed due to amount of automated edits now weakly supporting due to further looking on my part —Preceding undated comment added 19:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC).
64. Support Baseball Watcher 22:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
65. Support Cheers! Feedintm (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
66. Support − Can't see any real problems. Candidate is a time served user. S/he's been around long enough to know the ropes and to know the project. Good luck. — Fly by Night (talk) 00:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
67. Support. Fully qualified candidate. I trust that Dylan620 will move cautiously in using the tools in areas with which he is relatively less familiar, and that he will bear the concerns expressed in the more substantive opposes and neutral comments in mind. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
68. Support per NYB response to oppose vote 12 below. While lack of article and File: work is a concern Dylan620 does seem to have the balance between caution and action just about right which is really the main skill an admin needs.--Salix (talk): 07:59, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
69. Support - Good user. I think you'd be absolutely fine with the tools. All the best, Orphan Wiki 10:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
70. Support I must admit I was a bit concerned with oppose #12, but NYB response to it was also quite persuasive. A deeper look into his contributions says he will do just fine. Likeminas (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
71. Weak Support I'll comment more fully later, but I'm not worried about the lack of creative content editing. I've vacillated on this before, but my current thinking is that the demand for more content editing says more about the politics of content heavy editors vs. admins than it does about admin judgment so I can't hold this editor hostage to a broader political gambit. Protonk (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    If you're referring to my oppose, that's just my point of view, not part of any organized conspiracy. My logic is like this: (1) The purpose of this project is to build encyclopaedic content. (2) Admins have wide powers that affect content and the editors who contribute it. (3) Therefore being an admin requires a reasonable minimum level of content competence. (4) Therefore admin candidates/nominators should demonstrate this competence. Do you disagree with this, or are we just debating what the "reasonable minimum level" should be? - Pointillist (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

72. Support per NellieBly.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    Support. Fassdlcs (talk) 19:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    User's only edit, other than to talk and user page. AD 19:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    Blocked this user as a sock per behavioral evidence. Elockid 19:50, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

73. Support. Answers to Q7 and 13 are good answers (and what I'd hoped to see, wrt Q13). A number of the opposes are baseless and the closing bureaucrat should, of course, take the reasoning given into account. I believe Dylan will not misuse the tools and his age plays no part in my decision to support. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:51, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Strong Support He shall make a great admin, I support him in his quest.Who Am I Why Am I Here? (talk) 05:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    This user seems to be blocked for sock-puppetry.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 06:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    !Vote indented. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 06:19, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

74. Support - To counter Malleus' oppose: We have seen time and again that maturity and age are two separate entities. Take Anonymous Dissident for example... someone who even at a very young age has shown vast maturity in some of the most sticky situations, and is one of the few admins who I personally hold in high regard. The fact that Dylan is younger than most admins, does not mean he isn't mature enough to make tough decisions regarding this project. Therefore, as I do not see any concerns regarding his maturity or otherwise that would lead me to believe that Dylan wouldn't make a fine admin, I support his request. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 07:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    How is this relevant? Anonymous Dissident wrote fine articles on real encylopedia topics before RFA2, while Dylan should be encouraged to write, for his own good. (Why focus on Malleus? Malleus never opposed Anonymous Dissident at RFB. Malleus didn't oppose AD at the successful RFA2, or at RFA1.) Have you noticed that NuclearWarfareWinter has mentored Dylan for years?  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 07:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    It's perfectly relevant, Malleus opposed due to the candidates age, therefore I countered his argument with an example of someone who was equally young who has showed vast maturity over his time as an admin. I also don't know why you mentioned Nuclear Winter's mentorship, that doesn't seem relevant to my support at all. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 08:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    You stated that you "do not see any concerns regarding his maturity", so I drew your attention to NuclearWinterWarfare's concern (#1 below), which is graciously expressed after years of occasionaly mentoring Dylan and after years of wise service to WP. Are you suggesting that Dylan's maturity is comparable to Anonymous Dissident's, and therefore worthy approval now, or that Malleus would care about AD?  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 08:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    First, there is no User:Nuclear Winter. Second, I think it's rather clear what I'm saying: Age is not a relevant judgement for adminship. I'll repeat myself again in simpler terms just for you: 1. Malleus Fatuorum opposed based only on age. 2. Dylan is young... Anonymous Dissident is young. 3. Anonymous Dissident, has showed that his age did not affect his adminship; likewise Dylan shows no concern that his age will affect his adminship. 4. I disagree with Malleus' oppose based on these assertions, therefore I placed the "To counter Malleus' oppose" directly before my statement. Whether Malleus cares or not is not my concern. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 09:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Age is a perfectly good reason for objecting. Anonymous Dissident is other stuff exists. Hitler liked cats, what do you take from that. Ceoil 09:44, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Your statement "1" ignores what Malleus wrote, "no evidence has been presented suggesting that this candidate is in any way exceptional."  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 09:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Was that statement not in direct relation to the candidate's age? I believe it was... in which case my comment stands as is. (Besides, unless Malleus wants Dylan to write a symphony for his enjoyment, there really isn't anyway to judge if someone is "exceptionally" mature, it's merely left to the eye of the beholder. I'd also counter that no editor has to show exceptional maturity, but should rather show adult level maturity.) I don't quite understand why your critiquing my support this much... my views have been clearly stated and they aren't going to change no matter how hard you try to pitifully dissect them. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 10:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    @Ceoil: Nice straw man you just created there. If I recall correctly, I never once said that Malleus couldn't or shouldn't oppose due to age, or that age wasn't a good reason to oppose, instead I said I disagreed with his opinion and wished to counter it with an equally valid opinion (which is that age is not relevant to adminship based on the presented example ). — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 10:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    You should listen to your conscience, which has noticed the contradiction between your number 1 and mine (what Malleus wrote). Your apology will bring partial relief and reduced shame.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 11:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    "Pity" is hardly evoked by your dialectics, which tantalize with the form of discussion. Intellectual life interests me, while "dissecting" your dead fallacies bores me.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 10:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Show me that Malleus took anything other than age into his consideration when making any of his comments relating to the candidate, and I'd be willing to listen. But you can't, because he didn't bring anything into the argument other than Dylan's age to say/prove that Dylan lacked his standard of maturity... and he never even stated that he viewed Dylan as acting immature, instead he made a comment about his body not being fully mature yet. That still means that he only opposed because of Dylan's age, no matter how hard you try to twist it. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 11:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    (ec)To describe the shortcomings of a young teenager, unless that teenager is an old soul and brilliant, can only be viciously cruel, as Malleus surely recognized.

    I quoted his earlier statement only to make the rest of you adults and more mature teens aware of your gross irresponsibility. A good young man has had a few problems in the past with obsessive behavior, and you all want to give him a lot of tools, when his writing is what one would expect of a young man. Don't kid yourself that you are helping him or supporting the youth. You are enabling him, and distracting him from serious intellectual development. None of you will help him if he needs to repeat a year of school, will you?  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 11:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    First, who died and made you a doctor on teenage development. Second, his parents decide how long he gets to stay online, not you. Third and most importantly, just because writing is what you want/expect him to do, it does not mean that anyone else has that same notion. Most kids his age are probably playing video games or are finding worse things to get into, at least he's here on a constantly changing encyclopedia trying to help. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 11:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Come on you two - do you honestly think this continued bickering is a good use of anyone's time? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Not really... it's actually quite annoying. I would think it appropriate to be moved to the discussion page though. (I would but I can't for obvious reasons.) — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 11:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

75. —Кузьма 07:31, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
76. Support I don't see any reason to think that he'll misuse the tools. Qrsdogg (talk) 11:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose

1. You certainly have improved from a couple years back, but not by enough for my tastes. Your answer to question 2 is almost identical to your previous RFA, which was a year and four months ago. Indeed, your last 500 articlespace edits goes back six months, and the vast majority of those are mass link fixes or Huggle edits (The last 1,000 edits go back to your previous RFA, and much of that is cosmetic). I'm also disappointed that you still have not referenced Believe (Staind song). While you might not have understood the verifiability policy when you created that article, you should by now, and I would expect you to go back and clean up work old work.

   Lack of article work is not by itself a sufficient reason to oppose, but I'm simply not convinced that enough has changed since then to warrant supporting, in terms of article work or other issues. NW (Talk) 15:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

2. Per NW. Not enough track record between RFAs to measure an improvement. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 01:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
3. I could say "Per NW" as that is reason enough, but you really hit a sore spot with me in your question 1. I don't trust the judgment of anyone that says that they want to work near files in an admin capacity, even in something as trivial and non-policy intensive as the bad image list, when they only have 6 edits to the file namespace. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   Don't forget File:RelaxedPenis.JPG and File:Prince_Albert_Piercing.jpg (or the meritorious Fart contributions).  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 10:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

4. Oppose. Sorry, but doesn't have the right sort of experience to handle content disputes (see below). Nice chap, pleasant social skills, but definitely not an admin. - Pointillist (talk) 10:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   Too little involvement with article content. Per X!'s Edit Counter, of 10,536 live edits, only 3,529 (33.5%) are in content space (i.e. Article or File). Soxred93 says that in total, 3,963 edits were automated (presumably that would be c. 2,000 automated edits in article space with the other half being warnings on talk pages). There were 758 article edits in the past twelve months, of which 650 were marked minor and 8 others were simple reverts, so there were at most 100 non-minor article edits in the past year.

   Lack of experience handling conflict. Has only voted at one AfD in the past year (Paddy Beirne, unopposed snow delete) and has never had to defend/improve an article as a result of an AfD. Not active at New page patrol and AFAICS not active around controversial articles: has made only 186 contributions to Article talk pages since 2007. Update: the Article Talk examples in Dylan620's answer to /ƒETCHCOMMS/ question don't inspire confidence, I'm afraid.

   "the Article Talk examples in Dylan620's answer to /ƒETCHCOMMS/ question don't inspire confidence" - could you please elaborate on that? --Dylan620 21:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   OK, here's my take:

   In example 1 you deleted text because you didn't do a google search. Anyone could make that mistake, but there are people out there who make a very plausible case that "no sources were found" when in fact they didn't want to find them. As an AfD-closing admin you'll need to have a better grip on searches.

   In example 2 you spotted linkspam but instead of deleting it you just asked at the talk page whether it was advertising. No one replied and now eight months later the linkspam is still there (I've just killed it). As an Admin you'd be expected to make that call. Turns out the link was added (diff) by a single-purpose account whose name matches the spam and who only ever made that one edit, so there wasn't any room for doubt.

   In example 3 once again no-one replied to you, so it's not an example of article talk page interaction.

   In example 4 you rightly questioned a change because it didn't match the cited source. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk · contribs) replied saying it is correct anyway. Surely you should have asked for a verifiable source, rather than just walk away!

   In this example AFAICS you just posted your opinion (no problem with it BTW) and then retired without getting involved in the further discussion, so it's not much of an example of interaction.

   Please don't be offended but IMO you have not so far demonstrated the mental rigor and vigor to succeed with the mop. You can see the issues, but still seem to rely on others for decisions, as Ceranthor (talk · contribs) said in your first RfA, and I wonder whether you would in fact enjoy adminship if you had it. Take a look at the messes admins like Materialscientist (talk · contribs), LessHeard vanU (talk · contribs) and JamesBWatson (talk · contribs) clean up in a day's work—is that really your personal style? Or shadow DGG (talk · contribs) for a while—is that more your approach? Wielding the mop is a big deal, and there's no shame in leaving it to those more temperamentally suited to the challenge. - Pointillist (talk) 23:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

5. Weak oppose per NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs). Not enough involvement in the article-space – particularly not enough creative involvement, ie. not automated tasks. It's also concerning that you've had basically zero involvement in the AfD process and (since you say you'd like to be involved in this) in area of images. ╟─TreasuryTag►sundries─╢ 12:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
6. Oppose per NW and Sven, with limited contributions to the file namespace and no participation at WP:FFU I'm concerned that the user lacks the required knowledge to deal with files (copyright, fair use etc.), especially in an admin capacity. —James • 9:48am • 23:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

   Weak Oppoes Not sure about actual involvement, lots of automated edits — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneya (talk • contribs) 01:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   The above user only has 42 edits. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   To be fair, Decker41811a's first edit was to support this RfA, and when I expressed my suspicion at that, Amalthea (a checkuser) provided sufficient reason to assume that Decker got here via a legitimate path. Surely we can AGF with an account whose edit count is 4⅔x higher, and has been here since January? --Dylan620 02:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   You do have a point there. Struck per above. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   Don't forget to restore the user's !vote once the issue has been cleared. —James • 2:48pm • 04:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   The !vote wasn't struck due to suspicions of sockpuppetry; Moneya switched to support. --Dylan620 04:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Whoops my bad! —James • 2:57pm • 04:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

7. Oppose. There are already too many children in positions of authority here. Malleus Fatuorum 01:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   You have every right to oppose, but age ≠ maturity; there are 15-year-olds who are easily more mature than some 50-year-olds. On top of that, I'd appreciate it if you evaluated me based on my contributions, rather than my age. --Dylan620 02:33, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   Extended discussion following this response by Dylan has been moved to this RFA's talk page. Please continue discussion there. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 09:50, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

8. Oppose Colonel Warden (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

   Why? Baseball Watcher 22:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

9. Not strongly. I can't really support a candidate who wants to hand out the autopatrolled tool but (a) wouldn't qualify for it themself; and (b) doesn't have a strong enough content record to make me confident that they would hand out this content creation tool only in appropriate circumstances. Also agree with Pointillist's oppose and follow-up. Sorry. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
10. I'd like to see a stronger focus on content development rather than vandal fighting. John Vandenberg 23:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
11. I'd rather not make someone an admin if they want to work with files and only have six edits to the file namespace.--Rockfang (talk) 00:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
12. Oppose Just a month ago, the candidate closed a community ban discussion that he had himself proposed. He performed this closure after a 4 hour discussion in the middle of the night UTC, whereas WP:BAN requires 24. Even more concerning is that the candidate tried to ban someone under the cover of darkness here as a result of peer pressure, not a good quality in an admin. Courcelles 00:43, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    While this description is accurate as far as it goes, I don't think it's completely fair to the candidate. Dylan620 made a well-supported ban proposal against a user who had engaged in extremely serious misconduct. The ban was supported by multiple editors, opposed by no one, and someone suggested that the discussion be closed and the ban enacted. At that point, Dylan620 protested against any premature closure of the discussion, pointing out that even where a ban appeared a foregone conclusion, a couple of hours was insufficient time for a ban discussion and that there should be at least 48 hours of discussion. Other editors then argued (on ANI and on Dylan620's talk) that in this situation the waiting period was not necessary and reverted the "banned" tags on the user's page, and Dylan620 then closed the discussion as effectively an "IAR" situation. It might have been better for Dylan620 to have stuck with his original instinct to wait longer, or better still, to have allowed someone else to have closed the discussion (although I don't see Dylan620 as really an "involved" user here, as he'd played no part in the underlying dispute). I'm a strong proponent of procedural fairness to users facing sanctions, but it also bears emphasis that an action that one user might decry as "giving into peer pressure" can equally be described as "ascertaining and accepting consensus," which far from being wrong is sometimes cited as the essence of Misplaced Pages collegiality. I can agree that this ban closure was not optimal, but not at all that it reflects poorly on Dylan620's qualifications to be an administrator. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    NYB, I have a lot of respect for you, but I can't agree with anything you just wrote. If there is one thing that never, ever justifies playing the IAR card, it is to use it to impose a community ban on an editor. Blocking one? Very rarely, but, yes, it can be. But a community ban is designed to be difficult to impose. There's no wiggle room in the 24-hour requirement of WP:BAN- or the equally clear requirement that the closer be an uninvolved administrator. Dylan was uninvolved- up to and including the moment he made the formal motion to ban. At that point, there can be no procedural fairness in the same editor closing the discussion. Now, I don't really care about this situation- some ban discussions are just going to go a certain way, but the fundamental principle of the matter is very important. Banning policy is not onerous, but it does try to give some basic safeguards to ensure we don't railroad an editor in the middle of the night. Either Dylan620 decided to do something without reading and studying the WP:Banning policy, or he did read it and decided that corners could be cut in this, the ultimate sanction available to the community. IAR admin actions are supposed to be rare, and they always need to have a fairly clear benefit to the encyclopaedia, banning someone who is already indef blocked in four hours does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courcelles (talk • contribs) 19:17, 22 April 2011 (diff)

13. Oppose I have not seen enough real space content work; or a range of demonstrated expertise in anything beyond vandal fighting and notice board commentary...Modernist (talk) 04:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
14. I see no reason to allow someone with minimal files work to start doing admin work with files --In actu (talk) 04:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
15. Oppose. Minimal content contribution. I am also not comfortable with the apparent suspicion raised of my good faith in posing my question. My experience informs my decisions on what I see as important attributes in an admin candidate; it is also incorrect to assume that the situation alluded to by others was what prompted my question—another I was uninvolved in was the primary basis. That the candidate feels compelled to hide behind the remarks of others to avoid the question does not indicate to me enough of a capacity to form an independent judgment or to address a simple matter head-on. If he is going to place suspicion of editors he disfavors (or worse yet the prejudices of others he uncritically accepts) ahead of guidelines and policies he does not deserve the mop. Lambanog (talk) 05:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    It's generally considered completely acceptable not to answer a question posed at RFA about an editing dispute the poser is or was recently involved in. - Dank (push to talk) 12:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    Lambanog's concern appears to be the indirect imputation of bad faith in his asking the question, not the fact that the candidate did not answer it. Not that it is a big deal but linking to Kudpung's comments was perhaps unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RegentsPark (talk • contribs)

    As far as I am concerned there was no reason for the candidate not to answer the question. If you just got robbed I think it perfectly natural to express interest in what those in charge think about security. How would you then feel if instead of your questions being answered it was insinuated you're faking the robbery to claim insurance? Lambanog (talk) 18:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

16. Oppose I agree with most of the above. - Kingpin (talk) 10:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
17. Oppose - The opposes have convinced me. I don't see the need to give the extra buttons here. The "file work" arguments carry weight and I'd like to see a more well-rounded candidate in content creation. Suggest if this Rfa fails that the candidate work hard and try again early next year. My thanks for the candidate's service to date, and best wishes. Jusdafax 10:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
18. Oppose Contributions seem lightweight, and per Malleus and Modernist. The circular self defeating defense on this noms talk page almost proves the point, as do the headache inducing sigs of many of the supporters. Ceoil 22:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

    So, basically you're saying "Oppose, supporters have signatures which are too colourful". Wow. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Or more likely that many of the supporters seem to be fellow children. Malleus Fatuorum 02:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Or much more likely, they don't like the same blue link signature and actually have personalities not comparible to a troll under a bridge and like a little color. Oh and in under 26 hours, I turn 30. So, do call me a "child" as much as you want. :D - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Was I talking to you? Malleus Fatuorum 02:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    I don't know, my feeble child mind gets lost sometimes. I think I have that ADHhhhhey, look a bunny. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Strange Passerby, you spectacularly misunderstand, and its this lack of clue and insight that reinforces my oppose. Malleus has it right. And Neutralhomer, if you are almost 30 (woah) youve surely learned that being tritely obstinate does nobody any favours. Ceoil 07:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

19. Oppose A young teenager—who has confessed his own past "addictive" responses and making "hundreds of edits" when discovering new editing tools—

    I was tired of letting them make me feel badly about myself, so in February I began to tag pages for speedy deletion and revert vandalism. A couple days later, I was granted rollback rights – I became an avid vandal-fighter for about a week before slipping into a month-long wikibreak. After that, I thought, "Hey, maybe I can help with account creation!" That is how I became an account creator. About a week later, I curiously rummaged through some old RedirectCleanupBot (talk · contribs) archives, and found Schutz's tool. I became addicted immediately, tagging broken redirects left and right (which is why broken redirect cleanup makes up the vast majority of my 2,000+ deleted edits). Then, in July, I began using Huggle and made hundreds of edits per day through combat of vandalism. Lastly, in August I began reviewing proposed DYK hooks (achieving my first featured list around the same time).

    —should not be granted administrative tools now. Doing homework, studying, reading, and writing and contributing to his family and friends are the primary responsibilities of this young man. His researching a topic and then writing a good article (or several) over the next years should provide him with ample opportunities to contribute to the project while developing discipline. At the same time, he should know that research is quite different than writing WP articles, and that he should strive to become a researcher by excelling in school and thinking for himself. Let him write some articles, and continue to grow as an editor, without the distraction of new tools.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 03:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Can you show me where in the rules it says you have to be a certain age to edit Misplaced Pages? Can you also show me where in the rules it says you have to be a certain age to be an admin? Can you ALSO show me where in the rules it says you have to be a "certain maturity level" to be either an editor or admin? If not, then your reasons are moot as they don't correspond to policies and rules of Misplaced Pages. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:46, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    "Life is unfair. Get used to it!" (This is worth repeating loud and often.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 03:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    I take it you can't. That's what I thought since the rules don't exist. Thanks. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Reasons can't be "moot", and wikipedia has no "rules". Malleus Fatuorum 04:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    I wrote a personal note on Neutralhomer's talkpage (explaining the "Life is unfair" wisdom), and I would consider it a personal favor if everybody would practice extra kindness towards him. Thanks!  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 04:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    I don't see how this oppose says why he wouldn't make a good admin. I wasn't aware it was bad for the site for people to like what they're doing and contribute to what they enjoy. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 11:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    He is a minor, and the a responsibility of WP and its volunteers is to avoid ensure gross negligience in granting him additional tools, which are usually reserved for adults with far more intellectual maturity. It is prudent to be concerned with whether WP is good for him—not whether he be good for WP. You may not understand that it is a trivial concern whether he might damage Misplaced Pages as an administrator today, but perhaps someday....  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 11:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    No, actually that's the parents responsibility. Our responsibility is to work to develop a common resource of human knowledge. Read our disclaimer: "None of the authors, contributors, sponsors, administrators, vandals, or anyone else connected with Misplaced Pages, in any way whatsoever, can be responsible for your use of the information contained in or linked from these web pages." — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 12:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Your abnegation and explicit denial of responsibility merely confirms Aristotle's account of how discussion with you is doomed. You deny that elders should help raise youth: "Not every problem, nor every thesis, should be examined, but only one which might puzzle one of those who need argument, not punishment or perception. For people who are puzzled to know whether one ought to honour the gods and love one's parents or not need punishment, while those who are puzzled to know whether snow is white or not need perception. The subjects should not border too closely upon the sphere of demonstration, nor yet be too far removed from it: for the former cases admit of no doubt, while the latter involve difficulties too great for the art of the trainer."  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 12:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Again a straw man argument... I believe I said the parents ("or elders") did have responsibility to raise their youth. You on the other hand do not have that responsibility, nor do I. It's called having boundaries... and just because you are older than Dylan doesn't mean you would lead him the right way, or that he should listen to you at all. Give it a rest, you're no one's dad on this site (unless you actually have your children on this site, in which case that would contradict everything you've said ). — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 12:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

    Please review the meanings of "elder" and "parent" which have been distinct for over a millenium in English (and Swedish ...), and examine the straw in your eye before pointing out ....  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 12:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

20. Oppose largely per Courcelles (talk · contribs) and the limited content contributions. That William Thompson Lusk (where the candidate made five edits converting notes to prose) is among his "best contributions" is disappointing. Furthermore, I have seen no indication that the candidate is capable of sourcing content other than bare statistics, as evidenced by Believe (Staind song) and Timeline of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season. Goodvac (talk) 05:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
21. Oppose Last time I checked, the closing bureaucrats here have stated that "lack of content building" as an oppose rationale carries zero weight. Even still, myself and the others above still think that it IS a major problem and the candidate should not be promoted. Is it really that hard to write an article and source it properly, like Believe (Staind song)? Combine that with the fact that you're talking about branching off into AFD, and I have a major problem with this candidacy. I don't want to give the tools to someone that only knows how to destroy while having yet to exhibit any interest or competency in creating. Even if this RFA somehow drops to 68%, don't be surprised if this easily passes just like the others. One of them promoted last year exhibited so much inexperience that she looked like a chicken running around with her head cut off. You're pretty much guaranteed to pass, but that doesn't change the fact that I think this promotion is a very bad idea. Agent Vodello 06:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
22. Reluctant oppose. I'm concerned about the answers to a couple of questions. Firstly, the answer to Q5 is plain wrong. The question was not "What would you do if this user was reported to UAA?", it was "You see this new user being created, what action would you take?". Either the candidate has not read the question properly and replied hastily, or has not understood the question, neither of which inspire me with confidence. Secondly the answer to my question failed to allay my fears about handing out the Account Creator permission without appropriate thought and reflection: on a borderline case such as just two days' experience I would expect a thorough review of the accounts created and those not created, not a "shrug, I recognise that there might be a real problem but I'll AGF". I'm all for assuming good faith, but I'd expect a far more reasoned and measured approach before assigning permissions. Sorry --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral pending further stats/contributions review. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 15:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   I don't see any point to this remark, seems like you are posting a reminder to yourself to review the candidate later. This section is supposed to be for comments from users who have reviewed the candidate but have not been able to decide if they support or oppose, not for you to mention that you haven't done that yet. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   Actually, it is intended to indicate that I've reviewed the RfA and have some concerns...concerns I'd prefer to keep to myself until I've had the time to complete a more detailed evaluation. In the meantime, the candidate is aware that I've seen the RfA. I mean it as a courtesy to the candidate, not a puzzlement to anyone else !voting. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   A review of the candidate's contributions show positives in the area of article content contribution, but negatives in dealing with situations an admin would consider fairly routine. Neither outweigh the other, so unless something I missed gets my attention prior to the RfA closing, I'm remaining Neutral. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 17:21, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   Neutral temporarily, as I just want to note a couple of comments until I do a bit more of a review, and I don't want to forget my first thoughts. I recall the two issues referred to in Q3. I remember the child one, and I fully support your removal of sensitive information - the protection of minors (including from their own carelessness) is of paramount importance. I also recall the Iaasi incident, though less clearly right now, but overall I think I see a mature and sensible approach to dispute resolution. My instinct is to support - and that's how I'll probably change my !vote when I've had a closer look -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   I've just had a look over the Iaaasi case, and I think your contribution was excellent - very fair and even-handed -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC) (I've looked further, and I've seen enough to support -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC))

2. Neutral. To be honest, when I saw this RfA, I thought I would probably support. I understand your content creation is limited, but that said you have written an FL, which initially allayed my concerns there. But then I went to have a look at the articles you've created and the first one I looked at, Believe (Staind song), is completely unreferenced. While I understand it was created back in 2008, I still can't support, as it seems like you don't grasp one of our most fundamental policies, WP:V. Jenks24 (talk) 18:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   I understand your concern. May I ask if you read the FL? Timeline of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season - reached FL in August 2009. --Dylan620 19:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   Damn. That was disappointing. If you had have referenced the article when I mentioned it, I'd probably be in support right now. Instead I'm going to remain in neutral and, yes, I did read the FL and, to be honest, it's probably the only reason I'm not in oppose right now. I really though that when I brought up the article you would reference it with a "wow, I'd totally forgotten I'd created that, thanks for informing me, I'll go and reference it now". Jenks24 (talk) 21:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   In the process of adding refs now; sorry for letting you down. --Dylan620 21:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   Quick note that while editing this section earlier, I originally planned to expand on this; unfortunately, I experienced a brain fart and it slipped my mind that I wasn't just making the above comment. What I said in my original comment still applies. --Dylan620 22:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

   I understand why you may have thought it looked desperate, but I still think it's what you should have done. It's nice to see you have now added some refs to the article, but it is still mostly unreferenced and has a refimprove tag on it. I really have thought long and hard on this, and I don't think I can support this RfA. That said, it seems likely this will pass and, if it does, I wish you all the best as an admin. Jenks24 (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

   Appreciate the candidate's answer to Q7 but it's just about balanced out by the content issue. Neutral leaning support. StrPby (talk) 23:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

3. Mainly neutral because I don't think there's enough in-depth article work or discussion on article talk pages. Not a major issue, as deletion is not this candidate's main intended area of work, but I still look for a bit more writing. Everything else is excellent, IMO; Dylan has always come off as a clueful user who is willing to learn and help out. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 01:33, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
4. Neutral - I don't think there's enough article work or discussion on article talk pages. Monterey Bay (talk) 02:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
5. Neutral. Putting myself here because I honestly can't decide if Dylan would make a good admin or not. Good content work in the past but rather little recently, a slight lack of talk page and deletion discussions and few contributions to files - the last not usually a problem except when the candidate states it as an area of interest - make me hold back from supporting, but there's also a lot of good work and commitment to the project, and a fair amount of policy experience. I might have opposed if Malleus hadn't. Alzarian16 (talk) 14:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

   In which case you have proven yourself to be a clown, and a dishonest one to boot. Malleus Fatuorum 15:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

   Oops, that came out wrong. What I was trying to say was that because I disagree with your oppose, I'm not going to oppose so the numbers remain the same as if neither of us had !voted... not that that makes much more sense now I think about it. Back to content work it is. Alzarian16 (talk) 15:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

   Maybe you should try using more than one of the fingers on your hand for counting. If you want to neutralise my vote then you have to support; it's really not a difficult concept. Malleus Fatuorum 04:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Let's try and remain CIVL here please - I sense this might head south fast if things continue. -- Tawker (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Good idea. Why don't you start? Malleus Fatuorum 04:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Tawker are you suggesting Malleus AGF when responding to Alzarian16's I might have opposed if Malleus hadn't. . That would be very blind. It was pure and simple bad faith on Alzarian16's behalf, regardless of the backtracking. Note you positioned your bland almost meaningless plea after Malleus' comment. Well done. Ceoil 10:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Well you're all for creating straw man arguments tonight aren't you? Tawker, I'm certain, intended that all parties involved heed his comment. But it's not as if that matters, Alzarian16 didn't cross the civility line by calling another editor a clown, or pretending that they could only count with one finger... that was Malleus. From what I take on Alzarian16's original comment, he wasn't attacking Malleus, he was attacking his argument and voted neutral to show his disagreement with said argument, but that was shortened to using only the name of the editor from the oppose that he disagreed with. (This being made evident by Alzarian16's second comment.) — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 10:49, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   What you are missing is that regarless of the letter or law, Malleus was correct in calling, again, regardless of the backtracking. His snide aside is far more offensive than the clown comment, and if you cant see that, then well. Ceoil 11:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   WTF is "Malleus was correct in calling, again, regardless of the backtracking" supposed to mean? That doesn't make sense in the English language. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 11:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Really? I though we were both Paddies. In cork we would say, "Malleus was grand calling the fiend a langer, he tried to back away though, the bollox, but t'was too late, we'd known his sort by then and were non plussed, like." Too many big words or someting? Ceoil 11:52, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   I was referring to the fact that you failed to put what Malleus called Alzarian16 in your sentence... therefore the sentence was left without meaning... or as regular people would say, it didn't make sense. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 12:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

6. Neutral – I'm taking people's words that Dylan620 does a lot of vandal-fighting, which is good. I'm a little concerned about his/her (I'm guessing it's a him) recent decline in activity, and also Dylan620's lack of content contribution compared to other his/her other areas of prowess. I don't mind Dylan620's young age, since I fall in more or less the same category as Dylan620, or if he becomes a sysop. Sp33dyphil 08:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   If you had the guts you should have opposed on the basis of your opening comments, which are reinforced by your closing. Ceoil 10:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   I can understand wanting to badger the supports, given you're opposed. But hounding neutrals so that they switch? That's low. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 10:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

   Your not making sence, and contradict your own behaviour. Stop that. Ceoil 11:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)