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You call me a "Raging Dick" and say I'm uncivil? --Oakshade (talk) 04:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Erpert (let's talk about it) has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!

Kaba Gandhi No Delo

Thanks a lot for supporting my article. I knew this facts for sure as I was born and raised in that city. I'm new to wiki article's and that might have led to this confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennstate4ever (talk • contribs) 04:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Phursatar

Can you take a look at the new sources in the article and AfD? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

WP Trains in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Trains for a Signpost article to be published this month. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 19:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Re your comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Funtasy Island

Based on the co-ordinates in the above article and the image of the eco-park uploaded by the user who created the article I have looked at a satellite image captured this year on google earth and the park almost certainly doesn't exist. Just thought I'd let you know in case this alters your opinion in the deletion discussion. -- role 13:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Jerry Brown

Thanks for the low down on the IP editor. I suspected ulterior motives in that and many other editions to the edits. There didn't seem to be a tact that made sense, just a poorer more negative sounding sense of the words. I've also seen other people try to force an awful picture of him into the primary position. I understand NPOV and have been watching that article for long before he declared an interest in the election because I inserted comments (since deleted) about the movie Americathon being about Brown. When you mess in a political article, you get hit from all directions. Trackinfo (talk) 03:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Davis & Shirtliff

Hi Oakshade. Please keep your comment to ones about the article and not about the volunteers who edit the Wikipdia and try to keep it in line with policy in good faith. (This is a Misplaced Pages policy). Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 06:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

• My comment is 100% about the article. --Oakshade (talk) 06:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Cited "New" not cited "Web"

My apolgies. The reference format was not citing the web. It cited the news organization and should have enough information. The missing url is not out of place.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Prop 13 mention from references

OK, I hope this works for you. I tried the minimum; When Proposition 13 passed, he heavily cut state spending and much of the $5 billion surplus was used to meet the proposition's requirements and help offset the revenue losses which made cities, counties and schools more dependent to the state. --Amadscientist (talk) 07:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I have no objection.--Oakshade (talk) 14:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Adopting ideas

Hey, Oakshade. I've seen (not literally) you around the Misplaced Pages community, for example at AfD talks and your articles. And I see that your user page is similar to mine listing your accomplishements. I acknowledge that and suggest adopting my idea to graphically organize it: My user page. Whenaxis (talk) 11:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Off2riorob's Altering other editors comments on talk pages

Note: This discussion began on User:Off2riorob's talk page. For unknown reasons, he has chosen to delete this discussion there and moved it here. --Oakshade (talk) 18:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't like such crap on my talkpage. Off2riorob (talk) 19:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want to delele anything that's unflattering, embarrassing or outright humiliating from your talk page, that's allowed (I see you delete from your talk page quite a lot.). It has to be noted here.--Oakshade (talk) 19:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your removal of images on Talk:Jerry Brown, per WP:TALK, you are not allowed to alter other editors' edits unless there is a WP:BLP issue. Please stop violating our guidelines. --Oakshade (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what your issue is, there is no reason to have all those pics there at all. You like them do you? They don't belong there at all. One of the pics there was an awful picture with no clear chance of ever getting into the article, users post such negative pics on the talkpage because they know they can't get them into the article. I will watch your talkpage for replies, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

removed this one .. remove negative portrayal of a living person with no chance of ever getting in the article)Off2riorob (talk) 18:38, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

And I will also add, regarding your comment "Discussion is over", in fact you are in an edit war regarding the photo in the article. Not only discussion is not over, but you are in that discussion.

Regarding this comment you left on my talk page:

"I don't know what your issue is, there is no reason to have all those pics there at all. You like them do you? They don't belong there at all. One of the pics there was an awful picture with no clear chance of ever getting into the article, users post such negative pics on the talkpage because they know they can't get them into the article. I will watch your talkpage for replies, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)"

It doesn't matter that you believe there is no reason to have the images there. You and other editors are currently discussing them. That's what a talk page is for, to discuss the content or possible content of the articles including images. --Oakshade (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

This picture that I have posted here for you, needs no discussion at all , it is a negative pic and makes the subject look angry, it will never be added to the article so there is nothing to discuss. The picture issue is so clear there is actually only one option and that option is in the infobox. Off2riorob (talk) 18:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Your readding the awful pic with this totally mistaken comment there is no WP:BLP issue with a legal photo. - WP:BLP is not , its legal so its ok or its cited so its ok. Its an awful addition indeed from a user with ten thousand edits I find your position disappointing indeed. Off2riorob (talk) 18:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't like some the photos either. But some other editors do. That's why it's being discussed. You can't eliminate discussion. --Oakshade (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The picture I have posted here is unworthy of any discussion , it will never be allowed into the article and as such should not be on the talkpage either. Thanks, I will watchlist and review edit history and see what the issue is. Off2riorob (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

"unworthy of discussion"??? You are not God. Misplaced Pages is not censored. If you don't like a topic or image of discussion, that's fine. But you have no authority to ban discussion.--Oakshade (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, unworthy of discussion, there is nothing to discuss at all, the pic is close to attacking and never had or will have any chance of insertion in the article, so , nothing to discuss at all. Please don't add links to wiki is not censored as actually it is editorial NPOV BLP editors censor all sort of partisan rubbish. Also please don't bring god into such a pitiful issue. As for authority, I am responsible for my additions and removals and you are responsible for yours, so enjoy. Off2riorob (talk) 19:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

You are pretending to be God by banning discussion. There is no discussion of content that is "unworthy of discussion." In fact, other editors felt otherwise and discussed it. You can't change that. Sorry, but you're not God.--Oakshade (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Ooops

Yes, I guess I either udid the first time after someone else did or need better glasses, because you are right. I was removing the information I THOUGHJT I was putting back.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

No prob. I've done that too. --Oakshade (talk) 05:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Geo-stubs

I actually ran into this situation today. How should I go about starting a community discussion on the policy? thanks--TalkToMe_c 03:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Follow long standing consensus. It is a good standard. Otherwise Misplaced Pages editors will be wasting countless hours/days/months/years arguing over the "notability" of the tens of thousands of settlements around the world when our (non-paid) efforts are bettered served to creating new articles and improving existing ones. --Oakshade (talk) 03:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Randi Coy

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About BMTC routes

Hello, Yes I did say that we could merge and have one single article on the routes of the transport company (BMTC). But after seeing the users comments on the AfD of List of AC buses, even I did feel that mentioning routes about a transport company cannot be encyclopedic (correct me if I am wrong). I do not see a list of all the routes of any other road transport in wikipedia. I believe just an article about BMTC would be sufficient and we could provide an external link to the list of routes that it operates. I do not think that anybody would search wikipedia to know the routes of BMTC, they would rather search btis.com or BMTC's website itself. Abhishek191288 (talk) 06:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

"I do not see a list of all the routes of any other road transport in wikipedia"

List of King County Metro bus routes

List of Miami Metrobus routes

List of San Francisco Municipal Railway lines

List of Chicago Transit Authority bus routes

Now you do.--Oakshade (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok I see that. Is it possible to remove the nomination then? I guess I've acted a little too early and immature on this issue. I should've taken some advice first. But I hope you wouldn't consider me unconstructive for that. Abhishek191288 (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

You can withdraw the nomination as there are no "delete" votes. See WP:NADC. --Oakshade (talk) 16:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

OK. I read that. But how do I withdraw my nomination? Do I just delete the AfD tag from the articles? Abhishek191288 (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

It's been a long time since I closed one so I don't know off hand. Here is a good place to start. ->WP:DPR#NAC. --Oakshade (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

J Milburn's Harassment

Note, despite warnings, J Milburn is constantly harassing me. Most of the pointless dialogue is in history. --Oakshade (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The Stunners (group)

I have no idea how you think a digital-only EP, an album with inexact release date that may not even see the light of day and a non-charting single constitute WP:BAND #5. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 21:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

That's how albums aimed at the teen market are becoming generally released these day, digitally. WP:BAND #5 isn't about charting, it's about releases from major record labels, which this band has been released by. Two major labels actually.--Oakshade (talk) 21:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

File:JohnCBogle.jpeg listed for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Going to Extremes (book)

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Jared Lee Loughner

We cannot break the page for hundreds of visitors who do not care about Misplaced Pages's internal processes just because there is a DRV. You can either let it redirect and wait for the DRV to end, or restore the article itself and put the notice on that. You cannot have it both redirect and have the notice. Prodego 04:03, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Got it.--Oakshade (talk) 04:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

G Giffords

Sorry to have been rude to you on the talk page of this article. It was uncalled for and your comment was in good faith. I have retracted my comment, I was attempting to investigate the detail of the charges and I got a bit upset, please excuse me. - Off2riorob (talk) 13:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

It's okay. Appreciate the comments here. --Oakshade (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Heading

I changed a section heading from 'attempted assassination' to 'Shooting incident' based on the text within the article, particularly the lead, which implies that this may be disputed. The body text will need to be changed accordingly to be consistent, if you insist on your wording. --Ohconfucius 05:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

The wording describes in detail of what is defined as an attempted assassination ("to murder (a person, esp a public or political figure), usually by a surprise attack" or "To murder (a prominent person) by surprise attack, as for political reasons." as two definition examples). Even the charges are officially "attempting to assassinate a member of Congress." I'm not alone on this one. --Oakshade (talk) 06:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dan Charnas

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University of Toronto is not on Morningside Avenue

I actually live in Toronto, I have several Toronto maps, and I have visited the Scarborough Campus of U of T. It has no connection to Morningside Road. It is on Military Trail, and at best would warrant mentioning on Ellesmere Road. It has nothing to do with Morningside Avenue. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 05:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

That's the mailing address. The fact is Morningside forms the western boundary of the U. of T. campus. --Oakshade (talk) 05:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

And how is that noteworthy? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 05:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Your personal opinion that certain content that's factual is not "noteworthy" is noted. But it's in fact an accurate description of of the route. --Oakshade (talk) 05:41, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

It's undue weight and original research. The building isn't on Morningside, it isn't accessed from Morningside, so it has no place in the article on Morningside. Do you have property maps (or any source at all) to show that the property line reaches the Morningside easement? Or is it original research? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 05:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes. --Oakshade (talk) 05:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

• here is an article on the reliability of Google Maps. If they can't get a national boarder right, what makes you think they have a property line? Toporama is a reliable source - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 15:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Finding a specific case where two Central American governments can't get their own border right is not indication that the property of a university in Canada is "assumed by the mapmakers". Toporama, as the name implies is a topographical map, not a property ownership one. Try again. --Oakshade (talk) 16:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually its a Geographic Information Service (GIS). One of the layers is property assessment and shows all the lot boundaries. The goverment of Canada is far more reliable tan Google Maps, or would you argue the contrary? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 16:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Eisenman Synagogue

Hello. There is an independence issue with this book, as it was written by Els Bendheim, which is the daughter of the Synagogue's founder as you can deduce from the article of Eisenman Synagogue. But whatever. Let Misplaced Pages write about every synagogue in the world... Lippotaf (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Response, as from others, is in the AfD. --Oakshade (talk) 06:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Union Station

Hello, I've begun a discussion at Talk:Union Station (Los Angeles)#"Controversial, contentious, or slanderous". Feel free to comment. Cheers! --TorriTorri(/_contribs) 17:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Greg Sestero Page

I understand why you want to remove the part of him being French, but per his resume (which is referenced) he is of French and American descent with dual citizenship. (I'm also in touch with Greg and have confirmed that with him.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbyandbeans (talk • contribs) 14:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately for that is Misplaced Pages's content should be decided by secondary sources. That resume is primary and it seems there is original research occurring. It is the standard practice will all articles that we avoid that. --Oakshade (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

What I would suggest is that, if you have issues with the material referenced, you state that specifically. You said, "traveling to France for a year doesn't make you French." I didn't (and wouldn't) state that he was of French and American descent, has dual citizenship, and spoke both French and English based on his travels (I actually find that implication insulting). I based those statements on his own published resume and included that reference.Bobbyandbeans (talk) 15:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually I did "state that specifically." You can't base content on a primary source like the topic's self-published resume.--Oakshade (talk) 04:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Friday (Rebecca Black song)

An agenda?

Re your veilled accusation of "an agenda" . (Yes, your "question" is insinuating that there is one.) No agenda whatso ever, just some common sense. Some co-ed, making a stupid youtube video that got the media's attention for a few days is hardly a significant even in the nearly 100 years of the school. Then here comes Oakshade, who has never shown an interest in the article, to oppose what I said and revert my edit. If anyone should be asking the agenda question, I think I'd have a better reason. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Nice to see you, Niteshift. Haven't encountered you in a while. Not sure what you're accusing me of. Stalking, maybe? --Oakshade (talk) 04:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

• Odd that you'd find an article you never edited in until I made an edit, then you start opposing it. First you refuse to discuss, then when you finally do, half of your "discussion" is talking about me and the other half is about a different section. I haven't started working on other sections, so I don't really care at this point if there is non-notable stuff in there. The item in question is trivial recentism, nothing more. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• Quite a stretch there. UCLA happens to be the most local university to me and it and the subject of the student interest me. I didn't see any content in the main UCLA article so I went to this one and stumbled on an edit war. I noticed you have never taken an interest in this article before either. Thank you for your opinion. --Oakshade (talk) 04:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• Stretch? Not really. And what you classified as an "edit war" was a couple or reverts, which that editor pretty much has dropped out of for the past couple of days.....until you decided to start reverting, ignoring the discussion and talking about other sections. BTW, I DID edit that article a few days before that item was added. So, once again, you make a statement about something I did and it proves to be false. All that aside, can you honestly tell me that you truly believe that 5 years from now, this incident will even be remembered? Niteshift36 (talk) 04:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• I appreciate your good faith gesture. I am puzzled where you got the "fourth editor" thing from. Thus far, you and fiatlut are the only 2 that have put it in. Regardless, I do appreciate the gesture. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• Fourth, as in 4 total editors weighing in on this. It would be three supporting and one opposing at that point.--Oakshade (talk) 04:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• Who are the ones beside you and fiatlut? I haven't seen anyone else edit the material in dispute or join the discussion. What am I missing? Niteshift36 (talk) 04:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• As if now there isn't any. It would be: 1. You 2. Faitlut 3. Me 4. A possible fourth editor to weigh in on this. That would be 4 total.--Oakshade (talk) 04:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, 4 total. It sounded as if you were saying there were already 3 supporting inclusion. Gotcha. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• I could've been more clear in the edit summary.--Oakshade (talk) 04:38, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

There was more to this

I didn't realize, this youtube issue was already discussed over at the University of California, Los Angeles article, with two other editors (including one admin) removing the youtube thing because it was a non-notable event. . As an amusing aside, while you questioned if I had an agenda or not, it was the same editor (Fiatlut), that entered it in both articles and, when it was removed, his response included "Do people refuse to submit to the freedom of speech, or are you all racists?" . Niteshift36 (talk) 23:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I saw that too and was earlier under the mistaken impression that there were more users who preferred the content. I'm stepping away from this for a while. Thanks. --Oakshade (talk) 23:11, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• I just noticed it today. Take care. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:18, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

There was also sockpuppetry involved. See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Theserialcomma‎ for details. --Tothwolf (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm staying out of this one. I sometimes make mistakes too (don't get the wrong idea, for those I've clashed with - I'm usually right. :) )--Oakshade (talk) 02:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Given that this guy has a long history of harassing others who disagree with or challenge him, that might not be a bad idea. You can see what he tried to do with his User:Deathblazer sockpuppet when Niteshift36 challenged him. For whatever reason this guy seems to be obsessed with adding unsourced or poorly sourced "controversy" content or sections to certain articles. I doubt this will be the last we see of him, although he may or may not return to that specific article. --Tothwolf (talk) 04:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Hollywood Freeway

I have reverted your actions. If you read the talk page, I agree with the last comment by Moabdave (talk · contribs) (at 17:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)). –Fredddie™ 04:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I am a bit dismayed by your use of the edit descriptions as a bully pulpit. It is equally as childish for you to use your edit descriptions to call out another editors actions as being childish. You need to work out your differences with Rschen7754 (talk · contribs) and not poke fun at them in edit descriptions. Thanks. –Fredddie™ 04:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Freddie, but that's exactly what we have been doing. --Oakshade (talk) 05:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Working out your differences or poking fun in edit descriptions? –Fredddie™ 05:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

And Freddie, I see that you have ignored the entire discussion in Talk:Hollywood Freeway and decided to take it upon yourself to ignore community consensus. Join the discussion and stop childish edits. --Oakshade (talk) 05:08, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I just reread it and saw no consensus on what to do. There is consensus that something should be done, but nothing definitive. Please AGF. Thanks. –Fredddie™ 05:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Just "reread it"? You made the command "work out your differences with Rschen7754 (talk · contribs)" when for over three weeks that's exactly what we've been doing at Talk:Hollywood Freeway. Please stop the childish attacks and be constructive like Rschen7754 and I have been. --Oakshade (talk) 05:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The only attack here is your calling of other editors actions childish. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢

Ah, the bitter Floydian. Remember your attack on me in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Carol Shaya (2nd nomination) for asking the nom who they were a sockpuppet of? You stated my "accusations of sockpuppetry are completely in bad faith and totally unacceptable." Well, Floydian, that nom was blocked for sockpuppetry. If you really feel that my accusing the sockpuppet of being a sockpuppet was "completely in bad faith and totally unacceptable" and you weren't just making a childish attack for the sake of it, then certainly you'd open a case at the Admin's Noticeboard. I'm still waiting. --Oakshade (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I like how you brought a totally unrelated situation into the picture. The result of what happened there is irrelevant of the fact that you are not a checkuser capable of prematurely declaring someone as a sockpuppet is such a derogatory way. Regardless, it is a separate situation from this and there are no rollover points for incivility. Stop calling other editors "childish", or I certainly will open a case there. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 02:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:NSONGS

Please familiarize yourself with this guideline and with the discussion at the Pink Floyd project before restoring articles to non-notable songs. Thanks. --John (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Very familiar with the guideline and the discussion at PF is not conclusive.--Oakshade (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Even if that were true, per WP:ONUS you must demonstrate a consensus for notability before restoring. Can you do that? --John (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

As you are the only person demanding deletion, the burden is on you to gather a consensus for your actions. In fact, the articles are sources demonstrating passing WP:N which trumps WP:NSONGS. WP:CONSENSUS states:"Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus. Should that edit later be revised by another editor without dispute, it can be assumed that a new consensus has been reached. In this way the encyclopedia is gradually added to and improved over time without any special effort."'

These articles have been around since 2006 with you being the only person who attempted deletion. You are very out of line with Consensus per WP:CONSENSUS. --Oakshade (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to take these to AfD you feel that the sources don't indicate passing WP:N. --Oakshade (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

You seem confused. I am not seeking to delete these content-free stubs but to redirect them to the parent album per NSONGS. Which part of that are you having difficulty understanding? --John (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

They're not content free. They're stubs, but over 3,000k of content is not "content free." These pass WP:N which trumps WP:NSONGS. You can send these to AfD if you feel differently. --Oakshade (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

My arse. Test case; show me the notable and referenced information on The Hero's Return, which you restored. We are not concerned with size but quality here. Take your time and give a good answer, please. --John (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Take your time to write something without reference to your "arse," please. The references are in the article. --Oakshade (talk) 21:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The references establish only that ""The Hero's Return" is a song from Pink Floyd's 1983 album, The Final Cut." If that is all we can say about a song it does not need a standalone article, per NSONGS. Is there any reasoned argument you can bring to this or are you just opposing policy because you like the band? --John (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm very much in line with "policy" (you're actually arguing WP:NSONGS and WP:N which are guidelines, but whatever) and don't recall mentioning I "like the band." You've gone from a reference to your "arse" to a straw man. For your test case, "The Hero's Return", there is plenty of significant coverage which demonstrates passing WP:N. If you feel you're right, you can send these to Afd for community input to prove you're correct. I'm waiting. --Oakshade (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

The content in the G-search shows notability. I didn't want to take the time outside of an Afd to prove to you with each source. I'll revert you again. Sending these to AfD will solve your problems but you seem afraid of community input. Cheers.--Oakshade (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Show me which content from the Google search satisfies our requirements and I will concede you are right. There is no need for an AfD on such an obvious topic. Until then, I just see someone threatening to edit-war against consensus, which would then become a user conduct issue. Your call. --John (talk) 22:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

You are the only one against consensus on this one. As you don't seem to understand the policy of WP:CONSENSUS I'll quote from it again.

Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus. Should that edit later be revised by another editor without dispute, it can be assumed that a new consensus has been reached. In this way the encyclopedia is gradually added to and improved over time without any special effort.

Again, you are the only person since 2006 that attempted to delete these articles. You are fighting tooth and nail against Consensus and even cowering away community input to attempt to gain consensus. If it's "such an obvious topic", then you should have no problem AfDing these.--Oakshade (talk) 22:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)