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The Miami Beach Image

Image Tagging Image:MiamiBeach.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:MiamiBeach.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Jaranda 01:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Where you got it from? --Jaranda 01:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Where you got it from? ... lol ... is there a Cuban Ebonics page on Wiki I didn't know about. lol. J/k.

Image Tagging Image:MiamiBeachSeal.gif

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If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Jaranda 01:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I need a source that it is the work of the US goverment --Jaranda 01:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Biltmore.jpg

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If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Jaranda 01:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:SealOfCoralGables160.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:SealOfCoralGables160.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. ℬastique▼♥♑ 15:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Image additions to Miami Beach and Coral Gables

Hi! Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages. I wanted to let you know that that even though the photographs you've added a couple of times to these articles are promotional, they may not meet our fair use guidelines for using copyrighted photographs. In the case of Coral Gables, the hotel is probably not the best illustration of the city itself. And the fact that both photographs could easily be obtained by taking our own photograph weakens our rationale for using them under fair use doctrine. In any case, I would encourage you to bring the matter to the respective article talk pages for discussion (Talk:Coral Gables, Florida and Talk:Miami Beach, Florida) rather than inserting them again. Thanks again! Demi /_C 19:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

City seals?

I think it's fairly clear that a city seal is highly relevant to an article on the city and can't be obtained any other way than claiming fair use. Freely-licensed photographs of a city are encouraged for an article on the city--I also encourage you to upload those free photos to the Wikimedia commons. Cheers! Demi /_C 20:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

(copied from my talk page):

So I can add the city seals that I uploaded to their respective cities' topics sites? Just want to be clear before I make another change and save you from Bastique coming in and whining ... lol. HeyNow10029 20:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that. On the other hand, I don't usually edit city articles, so there maybe other comments. I'd add them back in (just them, without the images), and if anyone disagrees they can discuss the matter on the talk page. Demi /_C 20:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for explaining what I did wrong as regards to the city pictures. I'm still learning as regards to copyrights and things of that matter, but I knew that he jumped the gun when he deleted the seals as well. HeyNow10029 20:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Disregard of notices

I had left you a message about unsourced images above. Rather than mentioning anything about it, you reversed my reversion to Coral Gables, Florida to remove your copyvio images. I removed them from the page so that when your images get deleted from Misplaced Pages, they won't be messing up the page.

That's what was meant by Disregard of notices.

As far as city seals go, different municipalities have different rules regarding them. Some are very explicit about use and appearance. Without knowing what the City of Coral Gables' policy is on the use of their seal, we will not be able to hold the image here.

And I apologize that you ever saw the "spanking" comment. That was entirely directed at Demi. ℬastique▼♥♑ 20:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sure that was directed at the admin. You're sending someone a message and you refer to them in the third person ... that makes sense.

It was on the administrators Talk page. I never expected you to read it. ℬastique▼♥♑ 01:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the seals, if, as you say, ever city has different rules regarding the use of their specific seal where on the seal page does it say whether or not each city gave approval? After you deleted the images and the seals and I checked around and each seal had the same coat of arms summary that I also applied to the Coral Gables and Miami Beach seals. I highly doubt that every person who uploaded city seals, whether it be from New York City or Beverly Hills or New Haven got approval from the city before they were uploaded. Whatever, dude. I'll wait to see what the admin says ... HeyNow10029 20:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Cased closed. Seals are legit. Just like I thought! :) HeyNow10029 21:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Case closed? Not entirely. Incedentally, I added the seals back to the pages pending more information, because they are useful to the article. This does not however, preclude the city's copyright status to use the image. ℬastique▼♥♑ 01:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Meh. Case closed. Under your brilliant plan, every single city, state, county seal and logo would have to be removed pending approval from the copyright holder(s). I added the seals back to the pages pending more information, because they are useful to the article. LOL. Why do you think I added them in the first place ... lol ... genius!!! Man. Case closed, seals I uploaded are back up, unless you have any further issues please stop writing in my discussion page. Thanks! :). HeyNow10029 07:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No, I haven't said everything I have to say.

I take issue with your self-righteous, condescending attitude. If you are going to contribute to South Florida Misplaced Pages articles, then you are going to be dealing with myself and other South Florida contributors. Many of whom have differing levels of interpersonal skills. While I don't desire to deal with you any further at all, it's evident that you have a desire to contribute. However, as I'm involved in many articles on Misplaced Pages, particularly those in South Florida, it is in this project's best interest for both of us to conduct ourselves in a more civil manner.

If you did not understand that I apologized about my careless remark to Demi regarding your contributions, then let me do so now. I honestly had expected that you wouldn't see it, based on your prior non-response to my comments.

Your city seals were removed based on an overall reversion of your unfree images. Furthermore, it's evident you also copied the city seal images from the respective city websites. This practice is questionable at best, but in hindsight, it's a common practice, so I returned them and them only to the article. Therfore, your remark to me: "Cased closed. Seals are legit. Just like I thought!" was entirely inappropriate, as I was the one who decided to return them to the article, solely because they were valid incorporations to the article and to avoid any further reversions. Of course, this hasn't stopped other users from reverting you. Sorry about that, I can only control myself. But I kindly ask you to avoid any further snide remarks, because you are not entirely right in spite of my actions or anyone else.

As you have expressed the desire to end this discussion on your talk page, and I have no desire to subject myself any further to your contempt, this will be my last word, here, unprompted. If you would like to respond, you are welcome to do so at my talk page.

I wish you well in your contributions. ℬastique▼♥♑ 15:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Yawn, maybe you should read up some too ... WP:BITE. HeyNow10029 19:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 19:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

If the goal of Misplaced Pages is to make sure the pages are all perfect then it is my duty to change the picture you uploaded. You changed the picture I screengrabbed and made it grainny and out-of-focus, so I re-cropped it so it doesn't look like crap. HeyNow10029 20:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson She is a Scratching Record Player

I'm not referring to the image (though edit warring on that is still a bad idea). You may be interested in this. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 20:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Public domain images are allowed to be displayed on Misplaced Pages without fair use rationale because they have been released by the independent company and/or owner. Government images immediately qualify as public domain. The images you added to the article require fair use rationale because we do not want Misplaced Pages to be sued by the company and/or owner. For more information, please see Misplaced Pages:Images. Until you are able to provide fair use, the images should not be placed in the article. I would also like to mention that I am going to be initiating a heavy clean-up on the article since it is filled with fan-cruft, non-notable information, no sales figures, and little information on Clarkson's influences and early life. Thank you. —Eternal Equinox | talk 02:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

You're wrong though. Screengrabs are allowed on Misplaced Pages. You obviously don't know what you're talking about since you had just asked External Machine on your userpage what qualifies and what doesn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Story.crash.sequence.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Seinfeld1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Jerry_Seinfeld%28character%29.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Elaine_benes019.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Kramer6.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:TV_The_One_After_Ross_Says_Rachel.jpg

Please explain to me how all these images (just a few I pulled out in a matter of seconds) qualify for fair use but the images that I uploaded don't? And it's policy to create a topic in the discussion page before you go about making extreme changes to any page. You don't own the right to police that page. And what's fan-cruft? Are we in the 1920s? HeyNow10029 03:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

You may want to read up on fancruft. A review of the policy on fair use rationale might be a good idea too. And your list of images: they're particularly bad examples of fair use (except the 9/11 crash sequence, see the edit summary) because a fair use rationale is not listed on any of them. Far too many screenshots of the show Seinfeld than a good article on the subject would need. They would make great candidates for deletion -- Malber (talk · contribs) 03:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The undeletion vote on Template:User No Marxism

Hi! I see you have been using this template on your user page. In case you haven't voted yet, make sure you don't miss the vote on the issue, whether to undo its deletion or not Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates#User_No_Marxism. Constanz - Talk 14:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Fix it now

HeyNow10029 Please go to family guy something funny and the Super Mario 64 ds Picture looks funny to me thanks.

Request

Could you upload a pic of the icon of Survivor: Panama (the newest season), and put it on its article. Thanks--Hotwiki 13:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I did upload one, SurvivorPanamaTitleCard.jpg but AdamJacobMuller removed, I didn't fight to put it back because honestly, it gets taxing after awhile. You're more then welcome to add it yourself, though. HeyNow10029 00:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson image Image:Kelly Award.jpg

WAS 4.250 removed the image in concern from the Kelly Clarkson article because it does not qualify as fair use in its current state. Please do not replace it without the proper criteria, and as several users have noted on your talk page, it may be deleted. Your edit summary perplexes me: Image is fair use screenshot and should not be removed for copyright reasons, if you think there's a copyright problem get an admin to sort it out.)? It should not be removed for copyright reasons? I don't understand this at all. Nonetheless, please do not replace it in the article. The other images will also be removed as per Misplaced Pages:Images and Misplaced Pages:Fair use. Thank you. —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Explain to me how my image is any different then any of the images listen in this page? http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Screenshots_of_movies_and_television Those are all screenshots with the same tag I put on my image? Don't dodge the question like you always do .. explain to me why these images fall under fair use and the image that I downloaded doesn't? And 'because I said so' isn't a good enough reason. HeyNow10029 23:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

When someone sends you a message, unless they specify so, please respond on their talk page. Anyway, I did not state that "I said so". The majority of those images do not include fair use rationale, and are basically the exact same as the ones you uploaded. All images require fair use rationale in order to be placed on Misplaced Pages unless it has been released to the public domain. Respond on my talk page, please. —Eternal Equinox | talk 00:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

So you mean to tell me that all those pictures, some which were uploaded months ago and placed on frequently visited sites are all illegally on Misplaced Pages? It's a possibility, it's guess it's feasible that all the images were uploaded without fair use but the admins are just letting them slip by. Because the alternative would be that Eternal Equinox is wrong! But that can't be! I mean, someone so intelligent who is a master question dodger couldn't possibly be wrong, could they? I placed a tag on the summary section of the image's page which describes this picture's fair use rationale. If it's good for every other tv screenshot that has been uploaded to Misplaced Pages, it's good enough for mine. Again, you've failed to answer my question and provide your reasoning so I'm re-inserting the picture. Have a great day! :) HeyNow10029 05:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The incident has been reported at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#HeyNow10029. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Listen, report me if you wish, I don't care. But if you're going to use Misplaced Pages you have to learn to deal with people. And if you're going to police a page you have to be able to back up why you do things. Your M.O. is you delete a something off a page or change something, and then when you're called out on it, you either a.) don't answer back, b.) direct me to a Misplaced Pages page or c.) pretend you don't understand what's going on. You still haven't answered my question from last post -- but I guess I predicted that, didn't I? HeyNow10029 21:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The DH title card

Excuse me, but YOU stole it from ME. Dan777 20:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, but YOU stole it from another user. Here's the original image uploaded on November 27, 2005. Image:Desperate titlethem.jpg It's an exact copy of the image you uploaded on the 14 of February. And cropping it doesn't fool anybody, it just makes the picture look worse. Nice try though. Stop reuploading images other people screengrabbed just you can take credit for it. It's not right. HeyNow10029 23:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

That is a lie! I DID CAPTURE AND UPLOAD THAT PICTURE, JUST LIKE I UPLOADED THESE JUST NOW:

] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] Need more proof? And I'm not giving up. Because I clearly remember uploading it! Dan777 14:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FRICKING "CREDIT," NOBODY DOES BUT YOU! Dan777 14:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page

I have to go, but I've given a very cursory look at the page and the images in question--sorry I can't be more thorough; I'll look through everything more carefully tomorrow. I did see that the video shown in Image:Since You've Been Gone.jpg is explicitly discussed in this sentence: Its music video presented Clarkson singing to an underground audience with a full band. . . The high school yearbook, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be discussed. All you have to do to include any fair use image is to show why that particular image needs to be included. For example, you probably should discuss her appearance on SNL in any case, since that's a well-known show, and then you could include the SNL image. You can certainly include the Grammy image since the page talks about that. That's how it works--it has to be a direct connection. Chick Bowen 03:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

My advice: don't make it about Eternal Equinox. He's being thorough, which is a good thing. To answer your question--here are some things I would do (and all of them would help improve the article, which would be a good thing anyway): decide what you want to do about the Grammys--I didn't realize you had two pictures from the same ceremony. If you want both of them, then you need to have a thorough discussion of both her receiving the award and her performance there. Are either or both of these remarkable in themselves? For example, she was discovered by a TV show, right (forgive my ignorace--I'm more of a Mahler guy myself)--have there been others from that TV show who have won Grammys or played at them? If she's the only one, that's worth noting. The SNL thing should be easy, as you say--just describe her performance (what songs did she play?). To be honest, I don't feel so good about the high school image, mostly because it's not clear to me who the copyright holder is, for several reasons. It's actually a three-dimensional image of a picture in a frame rather than a two-dimensional reproduction of the photograph, which means that there are two separate copyrights, one belonging to the network from which that shot was taken and the other belonging either to Clarkson's family, her high school, or the high school's photographer, depending on how they set it up. Since part of fair use is crediting the copyright holder, I'm not crazy about it. As for the image description page, just say on it what function the image is having. See Image:Dipylon vase fair use.JPG this image, which I uploaded, for an example--I explain why I need that image as opposed to any other for this particular article. It doesn't have to be long, as you can see; it just needs to be specific. I hope this is helpful; let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Also let me know which images you're not using and I'll delete them. Thanks. Chick Bowen 06:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)