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	That is the standard ARBMAC (Arbitration related to some Macedonian and other Balkan countries) warning. Still interested in accepting the deal? ] <small>(])</small> 21:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)		That is the standard ARBMAC (Arbitration related to some Macedonian and other Balkan countries) warning. Still interested in accepting the deal? ] <small>(])</small> 21:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

			:Yes, I would accept the deal. There's nothing for me to lose - I gotta be really dumb to screw things up, so basically I think that you shouldn't worry.
			:Please just tell me the difference between the block that I had and what you gave. I don't get that. You basically blocked me from all balkan related pages, or controversial balkan pages? (] (]) 04:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)).

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I had already been punished for this by Kuru. I was not allowed to even write on my own talk page because of that.

Decline reason:

Not only have you provided me with no reason to unblock you, I couldn't unblock you even if I wanted to, because this block is enforcing an arbitration remedy. If you want to appeal, email ArbCom at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org, but I would suggest that an appeal made to ArbCom should be a little more substantial than this one. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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{{unblock|:1)When I was topic banned in the past it was because I did not understand how things worked. In the dispute the admin and someone else suggested that the solution was to make an ethnic map that all sides agree on. The opposing person had heavy POV, so it was pointless to try to do anything with that guy, Ceha. No, the real way to go forward is that the better map is used rather than the worse map. But I did not know that, and instead of taking that simple solution, I thought that I had to go about disproving ceha's map. Hence the situation blew up back then. It boggles my mind why the admin said that we should agree on the map. Hence it was not my mistake, it was the admins' mistake, for his wrong actions led me to take the wrong actions in the dispute. :2)Ever since I have been on wiki I have had tried to help improve this place. I continually go on the talkpages and contribute in a constructive manner. :3)The initial ban was based on ethnic maps. I understand what went wrong there. I was a fool to go about the problem that way. However, the ban itself is ridiculously broad. We have an ethnic map problem – and from there I get topic banned for anything related to demographics?! What kind of nonsense is that? – I have spent much time adding population data from the census, something that NOBODY finds controversial. The topic ban is far too broad, unnecessarily too broad. :4)I did nothing wrong in this recent episode. I went to the talk page, asked for mediation, discussed problems – not having much effect, due to an editors POV – but I was involved in constructive matters. And from the start I went to the mediation board and continued going there to ask them to help. But nobody did – granted the dispute is only a few days old. There is no reason why I should be banned for contributing positively to wikipedia. I feel that this is admin POV... I got banned for trying to improve this place, because the topic ban is ridiculously broad.}}

This account is not currently blocked. Instructions on how to protest your topic ban were included in the original block notice. Kuru (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I disagree, if one can block one can unblock, no?

Decline reason:

I’m sorry you disagree. This is clearly an AE block, and is unlikely to be removed by any single admin. You have been given instructions on how to contact arbcom below. Since you are now simply using unblock templates to chat, and since you also seem to be using your talk page to threaten and insult other editors, I’ve removed your ability to edit here for the remaining duration of your block. Kuru (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Sorry, forgot to include reason, while I was writing you replied. :1)When I was topic banned in the past it was because I did not understand how things worked. In the dispute the admin and someone else suggested that the solution was to make an ethnic map that all sides agree on. The opposing person had heavy POV, so it was pointless to try to do anything with that guy, Ceha. No, the real way to go forward is that the better map is used rather than the worse map. But I did not know that, and instead of taking that simple solution, I thought that I had to go about disproving ceha's map. Hence the situation blew up back then. It boggles my mind why the admin said that we should agree on the map. Hence it was not my mistake, it was the admins' mistake, for his wrong actions led me to take the wrong actions in the dispute. :2)Ever since I have been on wiki I have had tried to help improve this place. I continually go on the talkpages. This recent episode is one in which I called for help from other places, asked for mediation, did all I could to get more people involved, but nobody would come. The article is bad. That is a fact. So because I was trying to help improve the article, the result has been that I get punished. It does not make sense. :3)The initial ban was based on ethnic maps. I understand what went wrong there. I was a fool to go about the problem that way. However, the ban itself is ridiculously broad. We have an ethnic map problem – and from there I get topic banned for anything related to demographics?! What kind of nonsense is that? – I have spent much time adding population data from the census, something that NOBODY finds controversial. The topic ban is far too broad, unnecessarily too broad. :4)I did nothing wrong in this recent episode. I went to the talk page, asked for mediation, discussed problems – not having much effect, due to an editors POV – but I was involved in constructive matters. And from the start I went to the mediation board and continued going there to ask them to help. But nobody did – granted the dispute is only a few days old. There is no reason why I should be banned for contributing positively to wikipedia. I feel that this is admin POV... I got banned for trying to improve this place, because the topic ban is ridiculously broad.

Decline reason:

As this is related to Arbitration Enforcement, it probably can't be lifted by any one admin responding to your unblock request. You will need to email ArbCom at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

original unblock reason

Decline reason:

Not only is this (1) an AE block, and (2) have you not specified a reason for unblocking, but (3) I was going to block you myself for disruptive editing. If you're going to make another unblock request, I suggest you first think it fully through and reflect on your actions, and then clearly indicate why the block is unnecessary and should be removed. Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 16:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I merely replied to the wrong accusation of a statement which said that Ceha and I have been fighting for a year. It simply is not true. These problems developed in the last two months at most. On top of that I simply stated what has happened, and given some more evidence which clearly shows that ceha is at fault for fraud. I do not understand what I did wrong this time. I did absolutely nothing wrong. If I call a murderer a murderer there is nothing wrong. It's the simple truth, and that's what I did, I stated the simple truth as to what had happened. Feel free to check it, he is the one who started the fraud with his 1991 fraud map which I successfully managed to eradicate, despite his LONG PROTEST against this. Not only did he protest, he hates me for this fact that I do not allow him to include unsourced 1991 ethnic maps of bosnia which show croatians as overly represented... he himself is croatian and so his POV is such that he wants to show that there are more croatians in bosnia. He has been in the past convicted of being a sock puppet - and to this day he continues to post in sock manners- only on certain issues, which suggests that he has a puppet master behind him that edits in other issues too.

Decline reason:

I am declining your request for unblock because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
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Please read our guide to appealing blocks for more information. Syrthiss (talk) 12:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

In particular, you were warned you were topic banned in this area. Unblocking admins don't really care about the intricate details. If you approach us with contrition and an understanding of why you were blocked, most likely we will accept your request. If not, blocks usually stand. Syrthiss (talk) 12:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Project Croatia

My goal is to put up an image, in the form of a map, of every Croatian municipality by the end of 2007. (LAz17 23:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)).

Goal failed. Too lazy to upload 'em all. Oh well. I got a several dozen anyways. :P (LAz17 (talk) 03:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)).

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Kosovo: country debate

Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You have an interest in Serbia-related articles and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 13:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

- Eh, I am not too interested in arguing about Kosovo's status. -LAz17 - July 28, 2007.

You will be reported

if you keep vandalizing Croatian city pages with the absolutely absurd category of RSK cities. I cannot believe you are capable of such a thing. --Jesuislafete 20:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

- It is a totally legitimate category. It is towns that were in the RSK. What is wrong with that? The RSK does not exist and the category is towns that were in it. -LAz17 - July 28, 2007

it is NOT a legitmate category at all. It is so absurd, I guarantee you that any administrator will agree with me. RSK was a so called "state" that was NOT RECOGNIZED by any other country besides Yugoslavia, and was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Croats, and I will ask you to read Misplaced Pages:Categorization before you make such a gross error again. How anyone can put up a category based on the unrecognized state carved out of the internationally recognized borders of Croatia?!--Jesuislafete 20:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The category is perfectly fine. RSK was a region, and an important one. The fact that it was a region and that these towns were in it is of great historical importance for history. This is not supporting RSK, it is just giving information about it. - LAz17 - July 28, 2007

I contacted a number of users to stop Jesuislafete's vandalism. Keep up the good work LAz17.

Thanks. :) (LAz17 23:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)).

Hi

I just want to let you know, user:No.13 is accussing you of being a sockpuppet.

PS: I have my suspicions on the user 217.68.80.50 Just check Knin history.

Hmm, yes, I found this out recently. He was complain to some guy... PANOMIAN or something like that is his username. Anyways, he may say whatever he wants, for the fact remains - I am not a sockpuppet and i do not have sockpuppets. (LAz17 20:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)).

Sockpuppet

The user No.13 now thinks i'm a sockpuppet. As I stated in the other discusion, this is getting out of hand. No.13 said i was your sockpuppet on a users discussion. Do you know anyone that can help with this situation? Benkovac 06:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but I wish I did. (LAz17 14:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)).

Debate on the correct adjective for Kosovo

Hi! Based on your interest in the Balkans, you may be interested in the currently ongoing debate on whether we should be using Kosovo or Kosovar/Kosovan as the adjective for Kosovo. —Nightstallion 15:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

RSK towns

Good idea LAz17 :)

Pozdrav Benkovac 03:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

idea

How about we put the following in artcles.

--See also--

Towns in the Former RSK

Benkovac 05:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Former towns of RSK

Thanks for a notification however when I returned back home the vote had already been closed (( Alæxis_¿question? 08:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

bih census 1953 maps

] Is the source for the most of those maps Ceha 18:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: need your advice...

User:No.13 has been banned, as per being a sock-puppet of a community-banned user. --PaxEquilibrium 10:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the problem is....does the fellow wants to remove the category because he believes it's irrelevant today? I don't see too much discussion on the talk pages, so I can't tell. From what I can see, he doesn't believe the "current situation" section should be there because the C.R. of Herceg-Bosna ceased to exist over ten years ago and therefore that chapter is closed. But if there is proof and good sources that the idea or situation is still being dealt with (which obviously, there is), I don't see what the problem of putting a small section explaining the situation in the page...It's not like it's a huge paragraph under the politics section of the Bosnia and Hercegovina page. Pozdrav. --Jesuislafete 16:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Tagging

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RE:Huh?

Calm down, calm down. The reason you shouldn't delete a speedy tag is because if you want the article to stay, add {{hangon}} to the page. The reason the article was put up for a speedy was because it had very little context. There's your answer, and I ask you to please remail civil. Thanks! Cheers, Jonathan 00:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Kent

I didn't even realize the singles were intended to be grouped, I assumed the line breaks were coincidental. The grouping isn't very clear, and doesn't work well with smaller window sizes. IMO grouping the singles is not necessary, as few other artist navboxes do so. Still, I have restored the sectioning for now, as you apparently feel they were important enough to warrant your reversal of all of my changes. --PEJL 16:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Safe Area Gorazde

Giving readers direction like " Therefore the book should be read carefully, as it portrays only part of the story" is something you don't see in an encyclopedia. It shouldn't be up on the Safe Area Gorazde article.

Whether or not the story is biased (for all I can see, it isn't) is not something that wikipedia should be the judge of. It does show "one side", but that is not the same as bias - bias is when one side is misrepresented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.192.211.24 (talk) 10:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Drnis

Where? --Bolonium (talk) 22:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

You're talking to the wrong guy ;) --Bolonium (talk) 22:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that must have been an accident, I didn't mean to remove credible information... The mistake was reverting to an earlier version of the article without the same data. Regards, --Bolonium (talk) 01:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Require your help

I am asking for your help since from observation, I see that you have added population data to to a number of articles including Jajce. Can you check the jajce population data for 2003 and 2004. I added the source. I want to know is this a good source? Is this source acceptable on wikipedia?

Spread tha word (talk) 11:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Urađeno

Uradio sam ono što si tražio! Samo ako kojim slučajem mi Hrvati u BiH dobijemo svoj entitet i ove tri općine idu u taj entitet. To je sam Dodik rekao jer kako on kaže Republika Srpska ne želi raditi ništa suprotno Daytonskom sporazumu! --77.221.10.200 (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC) hr:Suradnik:Mostarac

Mislim da su u Novom Travniku Hrvati i sad većina. A što se tiče BiH, meni ne bi smetalo da to ostane jedna država, nego da svatko ima svoje. Srbi svoj, Bošnjaci svoj i Hrvati svoj entitet. Tako bi bilo najpoštenije. Po meni su Srbi narod koji je najviše profitirao nakon rata. Ljudi imaju svoj entitet, a za ostalo ih boli neka stvar. Pa Federacija BiH je '98., '99. imala trostruko jaču ekonomiju i sve. A danas RS je stigao FBiH, mislim da će je u dogledno vrijeme i prestići. Zašto? Vrlo jednostavno. Zato jer su u RS-u samo općine i ljudi imaju 16 ministara (znači samo vlada RS-a), dok u Federaciji osim općina tu je 10 županija, pa tako FBiH ima 108 ministara (vlada FBiH + 10 županijske vlada). Zapravo te županije su rak Federacije jer mi Hrvati nedamo da se ukinu jer tu jedino imamo vlast (u Hercegbosanskoj, Zapadnohercegovačkoj, Hercegovačko-neretvanskoj, Posavskoj županiji Hrvati imaju vlast), a balije (Bošnjaci) žele ukidanje županija. Eto toliko, a ako bude rata u budućnosti, mislim da će Srbi i Hrvati u tom ratu biti saveznici (ne baš veliki, ali ja mislim da se neće napadati) jer se Bošnjaci razmnožavaju više i od Hrvata i Srba zajedno. Povezat će nas to što smo kršćani, a zatim ćemo pobijediti balije i stjerati ih sve u Sarajevo i onaj dio Bosne. Ja tako mislim. Pozdrav! hr:Suradnik:Mostarac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.221.10.200 (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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RE: Deleted something that should have been kept!!! - Towns in RSK

Please read the Proposed Deletion policy. I have restored the article, as the policy permits. It could still be deleted via another method such as Articles for Deletion, if an editor feels it does not meet our inclusion guidelines. - Rjd0060 (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Centre Sheraton

Centre Sheraton look at that guy's talk page under the same heading. (quote) We don't keep pages because they have links to them. I deleted it after its Proposed deletion was uncontested. What exactly is the problem? - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

If they were proposed for deletion, I would have. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

You are so right, this guy, Rjd, is disruptive and opinionated to boot (as well). Peter Horn 01:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I think he's a pretty nice guy. I guess when people come to his talk page and leave inappropriate remarks and accusations of disruption and "mess creating", he has less patience than normal. Cheers! - Rjd0060 (talk) 01:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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Towns

What's next? Towns in former Third Reich?
LAz17, respect the decisions of voting. Kubura (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

LAz, you're opening Pandora's box.
That list can be the part of the article about so-called RSK (article exists).
We shouldn't play with unrecognised states. These kind of listings are too provocative and problematic. Kubura (talk) 09:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Man, you don't get where is this leading. Do you want to create article about towns from Serbia that were part of NDH? Or the towns from Serbia that were part of Bulgarian Empire (in First, and in Second World War), listified with their names in Bulgarian? Or the towns from Serbia that were added to Greater Albania in WW2? Or the towns from Bačka (northern Vojvodina, Serbia) that came under Hungary in WW2?
Finally, I'll repeat. Voting was on category. But, before any conclusions made, you've decided for yourself, without asking anyone. You've seen the outcome of voting. Kubura (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

1) How can you say such thing? Kosovo towns and municipalities are part of internationally recognised country. Previously, Kosovo was recognised federative unit of Yugoslavia. Kosovo is not like so-called RSK. Don't compare internationally recognised country with the terrorist-controlled area. In fact, so-called RSK was the mask for Serbian territorial conquest of Croatia (an attempt of violent changing of international borders) hidden behind local puppet-government.
2) Towns in Serbia that were part of NDH, don't have single article like "list of cities and towns in NDH". So, the cities and towns under rebel Serb control can stay in the article about so-called RSK. We don't give importance to terrorist ruled-areas, that someone (self-)proclaimed to be the "state".
3) About the cities that Mussolini took from Kingdom of Yugoslavia and added to its possession Albania - check the old maps.
4) "'...because of a recent shift in voters to say for it to be listified.". And whome have you left previous votes, that explicitly said: delete? Kubura (talk) 06:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

1) Again the same thing.
Kosovo is not "more controversial and provocative". Kosovo was recognised federative unit in SFRY, with equal voting rights, same ones as republics had.
So-called RSK is Serbian conquest of Croatian territory, only hidden behind "independent unrecognised state". Strings were openly coming from Belgrade.
2) "Most of that land had a Serbian majority, so it was not really a conquest.". Oh, really? Here's obvious your imperialist and expansionist attitude. So-called RSK was occupied territory of another country,.
3) "The entity is merely a creation to avoid the genocide as the neonazi croat president and government outright reduced serbian people to second class citizenship". No child, he wasn't a neonazi. Where are your proves for that? Don't use defamation methods.
4) What "second class citizenship"? Maybe you expected that Serbs could have that undeserved privileged status infinitely? With military factories solely in Serb-inhabited areas? With official military language as Serbian? With most of military personnel, secret service and police being Serbs? With unproportionally higher share of Serbs in state services and key functions and sinecures? And all that funded from Croatia? And we couldn't built a single highway from Split to Zagreb, because it was "nationalistic"?
5) "... and glorified the genocide done on the serbs in world war two". Woo, wait? Who glorified? We want facts here, not Ottoman-type argumentation ("kadija te tuži, kadija te sudi"). Regarding genocide, look who's talking. AFAIK, only the number of Croats was reduced after WW2. Probably the number of Albanians also, but Serb hegemonist government always showed the number of Albanians in smaller numbers in statistics, than they really were.
6) So-called RSK is based on violent changing of ethnic structure at the expense of Croats. It begun since 1918, with colonizing of famillies of Serb volunteers in Croatia (especially in fertile valleys in NE Croatia), Serbian police and army terrorizing of Croat population (e.g., Sibinj victims, Senj victims in Gospić), that forced many Croats to leave for abroad. When that terror draw interests from abroad, Serb diplomacy told that these (Croats) were "Communists" or "restaurators of Habsburg monarchy". Same story always. At that time, best way for defamation was to call someone as "Communist", today is best way to use terms "Nazi, neonazi, fascist...".
In WW2, before proclamation of NDH, "Yugoslav army" forces, made of Serbs, killed Croat population (e.g., Bjelovar area, Donji Mosti near Bjelovar ).
"Serb uprising" was in fact ordinary shooting of pilgrimers in areas, since then completely ethnically cleansed from Croats (Boričevac, Udbina and neighbourhood, Srb, Cetingrad, Zrin, Španovica, Rudopolje, Prijeboj, Gvozdansko, Potkonje and Vrpolje near Knin, Palanka on Zrmanja, Joševica...), in the areas that were later part of so-called RSK. No Croat was ever allowed to return. Of course, Serbs upriser simply changed iconography and battlesigns, as need occured, so they simply switched chetnik and "partisan" signs. These chetniks were nazi collaborators, and Serbia (to make things worse) recently rehabilitated that movement.
Then in socialist Yugoslavia, Croat population was decimated, expelled or eliminated especially in areas that later became "pure Serb", and population that remained with pure Croat inhabitants significantly suffered a population loss (Slunj area), or lost majority (Banovina, Lika, Krbava). Strongest strike was in 1945-1950, but later police pressure took its toll.
Finally, with Serbian aggression on Croatian, whole Croat population was expelled or exterminated on areas the greaterserbianists managed to occupy. And Croatian minorities (especially Hungarians, Slovaks, Czechs, Rusyns and Ukrainians) suffered. E.g., in Petrovci near Vukovar, chetniks have thrown out Rusyns from their homes and settled the Serbs there. There you had your "that's not really a conquest". Shame on you. Kubura (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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1991 BiH map

Greetings. Answers to your questions you can find at and . As for possible inaccuraties in the map those are mentioned on map's page in the section between Licesing... --Čeha (razgovor) 00:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
As you can read in the discusion I founded it somwhere on the net. It has been long time ago, and now source can not even be googled out. If you have some credible source how can those map be enhaced(rastko.net is not one of that) please show the correct version so the errors can be removed.--Čeha (razgovor) 04:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Copywrite rights on that map should be da same as 1981 map, and this 1991 map. If they are from the same source that should be that.
Map of which is talked is not a propaganda map, surely not a Croat one (most of the the 1981-1991 changes are in Bosniak benefit), although it may be possible to constain some inaccuracies.
As for update, I haven't see the map, nor you did not source it (name of the book etc). The point was, if existent 1991 map has inaccuracies, and the new map is accurate to simply change it, rather than manualy puting the new source on every page which has a link to existent map.
--Čeha (razgovor) 18:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC) Ok. I'm interested to see it. --Čeha (razgovor) 00:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi LAz17. I replied at my talk page. - Regards, Ev (talk) 20:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

War map

South of Doboj is Ozren mountain which was under serbian control most of the war (they lost most of it in final stages). I think that maps are very good sourced so you can chech it out.
--Čeha (razgovor) 21:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately no. Map is correct.
You can see the same map in "Bosnia" , by Erich Rathfalder "Balkan Odyssey" by lord Owen and many others. BS army wanted to "brake" another coridor at Olovo and isolate Tuzla.
--Čeha (razgovor) 21:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC) What other guy? Try to see the sources(borrow one of thouse two books in library), or google it out. Also map of mines in BiH is very usefull when discussing front lines (more things to google:)
--Čeha (razgovor) 23:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

1991ethnic.jpg =

Laz17, this image has very low quality. Can't you upload it in higher resolution?
--Čeha (razgovor) 01:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Look, If you have a copy of that map in your possesion there shouldn't be any problem to upload it in higher resolution. Intermunicipal borders are murky and not clearly visible. Also contrast on it is a little bit too high. Try to upload it in higher resolution which would be more up to wikipedia standards. As for contrast, look at 1981 map how it should look like.
As for your photoshop inclanation part, as a wikipedian user and editor I'm ablied to work in and and I'm not going into . Which I would recommend to you also if you are planing to avoid administrator's warnings.
Also, I have an impression that you are trying to found some "belosvetske zavere" when you are speaking about that older maps. They were reported as having inaccuracies long before you've even came to wiki.
--Čeha (razgovor) 08:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Laz, it would be normal that you respond to discussion on the map you puted on the wiki

Also I would call you to improve your english, and to try to read article before you give a false accusation.

--Čeha (razgovor) 15:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I've been asked to comment on this map issue. Please see a few questions and comments of mine at Image talk:Bih 1991.jpg. Can I also first ask you to keep it all friendly and relaxed, there's no need for accusations. Thanks, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible block

On ANI I am asking short block of both users . User LAz17 is guilty of incivility (word fuck and others), but in trying to calm situation maybe it is best that both are blocked for short time period.

LAz you are 100 % guilty of incivility, but I want to calm you both. On monday I will look census data in question.--Rjecina (talk) 05:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Why did you remove and add a load of sections as you did here? D.M.N. (talk) 13:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

On the same subject as D.M.N.'s post, I've put your comment in the existing section at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Bosnian maps dispute - I guess you inadvertently edited an older version of the page? PhilKnight (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Huh? I don't get it... I just posted one short paragraph... I don't know where that other stuff is from? Some error? (LAz17 (talk) 15:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)).

Maybe I am making mistake but this is now dispute aboute census data. Because of that I have created page User:Rjecina/Bosnian census in my user space. Can we please continue discussion in my user space. After consensus page will be deleted.--Rjecina (talk) 23:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Čeha is on wiki vaccation around 7 days and very soon I will be out 3 days.--Rjecina (talk) 04:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I might go away a bit during the thanksgiving break too. (LAz17 (talk) 04:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)).

WP:ANI notice again

You were mentioned at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#BiH_ethnic_maps_and_data. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Image:BiHSimplifiedEthnic1991.gif

LAz17, if you have a problem with Image:BiHSimplifiedEthnic1991.gif, go list commons:Image:BiHSimplifiedEthnic1991.gif or deletion. Simple as that. Now, read the Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC rules. One more complaint about that image, one more whine about it's all a lie, one more calling someone a fascist or any other name-calling and you are blocked (if I find out that you are calling people names in foreign languages like this supposedly is, it's going to be a LOONG block. I've had enough of this complaining and bickering. And before you start, do not complain about other people. Two wrongs do not make a right and I will block you double for it. I will work with everyone I can and warn everyone who deserves it. Now, do you want to respond to the simple question at User:Rjecina/Bosnian_census#Clean_slate? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Posavina Fraud

Laz, those two maps are about lines of fronts and do not show anything about ethnic situation in Posavina. If you have any information about any possible inacuracies, please show your sources.
Also, it is trablesome to speak with someone who calls your work a fraud in every second word. Try to act acording to wikipedia policies ot else, I'm afraid there is not going to be much of cooperation on this issue. --Čeha (razgovor) 21:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Images with source issues

If the image clearly has no source, try nsd (which gives it seven days). If the source is "bad" in your mind, or even somewhat controversial, I would suggest listing it at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Also, if I'm guessing right, the images themselves may be contentious so be minimal and specific as to the issues. If the discussion goes into personal attacks, the images are likely to stay (and the users warned). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Note that's only for English wikipedia. At Commons, since the whole thing is a image depository and nothing more, just the delete template works there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello

First of all I would like to thank you for the article Geography of the Former Republic of Serbian Krajina. I thank you because I enjoyed reading it and for its well-developed content. Secondly, a link on your user page to a book called Liar's Poker: The Great Powers, Yugoslavia and the Wars of the Future was also appreciated. The book describes The Great Game which was is an interesting idea in itself.Mike Babic (talk) 23:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal attack report

You've been reported on WP:AN/I . --DIREKTOR 09:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:CIVIL. This sort of language goes nowhere fast on Misplaced Pages.--♦IanMacM♦ 09:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009

Regarding your comments on Yugoslav Partisans: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --DIREKTOR 09:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Democracy idealism

You need sources like this. I am sure that you will agree that this is very good source for nationality of partisans during battle ?--Rjecina (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but we do not need more western style democracy where people are voting and only american side can win. I do not know your thinking about democracy but my thinking is that democracy is like communism ideal and nothing else. If I am wrong please explain me how is possible to abolish democracy when election results are "not OK" Algerian legislative election, 1991, Palestinian Legislative Council, start street coup when results are not OK Ukrainian presidential election, 2004, Rose Revolution. No need to speak about killings made by new democratic government of Ukraine and Georgia. Small mistake right word is not killing, but carbon monoxide poisoning of prime minister (Zurab Zhvania) and suicide with 2 bullets in the head of Viktor Yushchenko minister of police (Yuriy Kravchenko). All in all democratic president can kill, or arrange accidents, but for non democratic (which is not liked in USA) this is not OK ?--Rjecina (talk) 05:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I do not believe in democracy.

In my thinking democracy is giving me possibility to vote for person or party which will protect my interest. This sort of democracy has died in Europe with Cold War. Examples:

In Croatia greatest questions last 2 years are entry to EU and NATO. All political parties are support entry. Who represent thinking of user:Kubura ? Nobody !

Let us leave Balkan.. Maybe I am making mistake but all states (and all important parties) are having policy of lowering taxes of richman and then screaming about need to lower social rights. Maybe I am making mistake but this policy is bad for majority of voters ?

Then we are "honest" elections. Do you know if winner of last Germany elections are left or right parties ? Answer is left with 51.8 % of votes and 327 parliament members out of 614 ! What has happened ? Greatest left party (worker and poor) has declared that she is closer with right wing party (capitalist) of other left parties ????

Last election in Czech Republic have ended with stalemate. Capitalist 100 Socialist 100. Prime minister is capitalist.

There is no need to say anything about United Kingdom. There is no difference between Capitalist and Socialist party economic or foreign policy.

For the end we are having democratic Japan where 1 party is ruling from WWII.

My thinking about democracy is that this is dictatorship + very good propaganda--Rjecina (talk) 20:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

kos

You seem to be contributing a lot of good work in the Kosovo article. I hope you keep it up. After reading your comment and some text, i found your comment to be true. Kosovo was part of the Kingdom of Montenegro. I have read that a lot of monasteries were build by the king of Montenegro in the region. This added more proof.Serbian Defense Forces (talk) 21:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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ANI

You are mentioned at WP:ANI#User:LAz17. As a side note, commentary such as this is never acceptable per personal attack policies and civility guidelines. I ask that you refactor the comments, given your history; any such outbursts in the future will result in a block. seicer | talk | contribs 16:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo

I agree, but the name of that box must be renamed!! I will ask that!! Tadija (talk) 21:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo BarnStar

Hey mate!

I used to snoop around and find members who deserve the award. Not any more sadly, because I have been off Misplaced Pages for a while. Other members of the project can award the barnstar, and my best advice to you is to continue your hard work and contributions, to participate actively in discussions about Kosovo, and to get involved in every way possible!

For your work on the municipalities of Kosovo articles, you are eligible for a Barnstar. It would be, however, immoral on my part to award it in such circumstances and I don't think you will accept it either.

Cheers mate!

Λuα 23:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

rs

You make it sound like I care, I already made a Prud Agreement article regarding that, liking the prejudice.PRODUCER 16:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Third entity

Well it seems so, but unfortunately there is a lot of contradictory dato on that issue...
Potpisivanje još jednog u nizu sporazuma dijela šestorke na vlasti pokazuje da se SDA, SNSD i HDZBiH još uvijek nisu u stanju dogovoriti ni o tome o čemu su se dogovorili, smatra SDPBiH. Zato nas ne bi začudilo da, u skladu sa njihovom dosadašnjom praksom, svaki od potpisnika sporazuma isti različito tumači: Dodik da tvrdi kako je RS opstala, Čović da je dobio treći entitet, a Tihić kako će BiH imati četiri regije koje će prelaziti entitetske linije sa sjedištima u Sarajevu, Banjoj Luci, Mostaru i Tuzli, navodi se u priopćenju. , basicly everyone of the signature parties claims that it signed something else... Third entity would be good because it would basicly gave every nation it constitutial rights. Hower it is a question how it would be done and on what territories... --Čeha (razgovor) 08:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is totaly unclear :/ As for Mostar it seems that in any variant it is going to be unified and in the croatian entity... (Even in Tihić's story Mostar is a center of an entity, that's one of the reasons why Silajdžić is so mad on him:) As for middle bosnia, I'm not certain what will happen. Croats had majority in Jajce, Dobretići, N.Travnik, Vitez, Busovača, Kiseljak and Kreševo in 2005, as a local major in Uskoplje. In last elections Bosniaks became majors in Jajce, N.Travnik, Busovača and Uskoplje and that does not looks good when talking about the borders of future cro entity. You had one offer from SDA in previous year that talked about unifing the županije with croatian majority in one... That proposition included cro territories from Drvar to Ravno with Konjic and Jablanica, but without Central bosnia... So I think that theirs prepositions will go in that dirrection... Which is something to which I doubt any of Croatian leaders will agree to that... We'll see. I think that Croatian territories now goes onto 21 % and that no Croatian leader will go bellow that. --Čeha (razgovor) 22:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Bosna je nazalost skrpljena na vrat na nos. Rat se hvala Bogu zaustavio ali previse je patnji i krvi proliveno na sve strane. Jebiga treci entitet ima smisla, a kad se setite bilo je fino svezivati zastave protiv srba, a sada se nemoze zajedno u federaciji. RS isto stoji u limbu i samo gleda sta Silajdzic provaljuje okolo. Hoce srpsku u bosni, a svaka druga rec u federaciji je cetnik. Kakav je to paradox? Jebiga, ako hrvati naprave entitet u federaciji, pa da se sve jednom za svagda raskrsti mozda bi i bilo bolje. Bosnu kao drzavu izgleda ceka sudbina Jugoslavije, ako se sve to bude guralo zajedno, svi pod istu kapu. Pozdrav! Onyxig (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Bosna je kakva je. Ne vidim kako bi se Srbi iz Bosanskog Novog mogli odvojiti od Sarajeva uz koridor od 2km bez rata. A slično vrijedi i za ostale. BiH se treba srediti kao normalna država po švicarskom modelu (entiteti, kantoni ili što već) gdje će svatko znati svoje i biti će mir. Inače BiH zbilja čeka sudbina bivše Jugoslavije. A zastave se ne bi vezale da nas niste zajedno klali.--Čeha (razgovor) 00:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Pa, vidite, srbi i hrvati su bili vrlo bliski bas neko dugo vreme u ratu. Herceg Bosna i Republika Srpska su imali vrlo dobre odnose. Mate Boban, vodja hrvata u bosni izgleda da je imao dobru saradnju. Dakle ja nevidim sto nebi bilo moguce opet neka saradnja. Stvar je da su stranci smaknuli bobana, tako da su stranci problem. Uklonimo strance i opet ce srbi i hrvati biti saradjivati u vezi svi stvari u vezi bih.

Nebi se slozio da je svajcarska dobar model. Ako pogledamo svajcarsku vidimo da su tamo nemci najveca grupa... oko 70% mislim, nisam proverio u zadnje vreme. To toliko govori da je ta grupa dominanta... a u bosni je malo razlicito, tako da je drukcije. Plus, u svajcarskoj ima mnogo para... ubaci mnogo para u bilosta i moci ce neko vreme ostati na neki nacin. Vidimo da imaju problemi u belgiji trenutno... ova nova vremena ce zaista biti interesantna.(LAz17 (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)).

Dobro, švicarska je loš primjer. Ali ne radi ovoga što si rekao nego zato što su previše lokalizirani. Njemački Švicaraci ti čak i podrugljivo gledaju na Njemce iz Njemačke. Njemački švicarac je prvo stanovnik tog grada (kantona) u kojem živi, pa tek onda ostalo. Što nema veze s BiH. Ono što sam htio naglasiti je da ljudima iz Zuericha ili Berna (koji su njemački govornici) ne bi palo napamet nametati pravila ljudima u Genevi i Juri (koji su francuski govornici). Svako ima svoje. Bez obzira koliko nekog ima. To je poanta švicarske kao uzora. Npr. ako su Šekovići u srpskom dijelu tamo vrijede srpska pravila (moraju se poštivati pravila manjina i osnovna ljudska, ali zna se čije je što).

Trenutno najbliža usporedba s BiH ti je Libanon (tri strane, Šiiti, Suniti i Kršćani, s time da postoji dosta podfrakcija i Druzi kao 4ta, susjedne države koje imaju utjecaja na područje Libanona (Šiiti su saveznici Sirije, itd)). A i tamo je bio višegodišnji rat. Nije isto ali ima masa sličnosti. Samo iz tog primjera ne možeš zaključiti apsolutno ništa.

U Belgiji ti je problem u novcu. Imaš 2 strane; valonce na jugu i flamance na sjeveru. Nekoć su vladali Valonci kojih je bilo više, sada su se Flamanci namnožili pa oni vladaju. Valonija je novčano u komi, a Flamanci ih ne žele više financirati. Da su im granice čiste (postoji Bruxelles koji je u središtu Flandrije, a ima valonsku većinu) davno bi se to riješilo kao čehoslovačka.

Većina višenacionalnih država do sad se raspala. Vidjet ćemo što će biti s bih--Čeha (razgovor) 02:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Svajcarska je sigurno malo neuporediv model, jeli nikad svajcarski nemac italijan francuz nisu udarili jedno na drugo niti krv sebi prolivali. Ali Lebanon ima smisla. Bas sam pricao sa jednim Libancem koji kaze da su oni kao Bosna samo puno gore hehe (umesto 3 imaju mnogo vise strana). Svi zajedno a niko ni sa kim. Nazalost sto se tice Bosne, fino je da su entiteti razdvojeni i da Bosna radi kao drzava, ali nemoze se od Bosne ocekivati utopija. Emotivan smo narod sa mnogo istorije i patnji. Srbi se ne osecaju pozeljni od drugih strana sa opravdanim ili naopravdanim razlozima... svejedno. Slicno i na drugoj strani. Ali ko zna kako ce se sve to odigrati, samo vratiti se na istu stvar koda nista nije bilo ce biti nemoguce. Onyxig (talk) 05:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sta mislite o podeli na dva entita? (LAz17 (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)). Da bude srpsko-muslimanski entitet i hrvatski entitet u kome ce biti travnik i uskoplje? (LAz17 (talk) 17:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)).

Misliš nešto kao podjela iz doba Banovine? Što se mene tiče, ideja bi bila ok, ali nije realistična. Srbima nije u interesu odreći se entiteta da bi ga podjelili sa muslimanima (koji bi ih za par godina dosta prestigli natalitetom), muslimanima bi to bio preveliki zalogaj, dok bi za Hrvate postojala mogućnost od preglasavanja (hrv. entitet bi imao oko 20%, a drugi 80% pučanstva). Kada su zamišljeni Washingtonski i Daytonski sporazumi, cijela federacija je trebala ući u konf. s Hrvatskom (isto kao i rs sa Srbijom), a Hrvati su tamo imali pola vlasti po fed. zakonima. Onda je došlo par upravitelja, zakoni su promijenjeni, i sada se o većini stvari odlučuje bez Hrvata. A i natalitet (uz iseljavanje) nije na našoj strani. Potrebno je dole urediti BiH, tako da svatko ima svoje, zna što je njegovo i kako se može razvijati. Iznimno je moguće dogovoriti i neke zajedničke stvari, ako postoji obostrani interes. Ne znam, koliko sam shvatio dole je (osim rata i svih zvjerstava koja su se događala tijekom njega) trenutno glavni problem loši i korumpirani političari (na nekim stranama više, na nekima manje). Imaš par knjiga od Vesne Starešine koje vrijedi pročitati (Laboratorij Balkan i Haška formula). Dosta dobra karakterizacija nekih sudionika za vrijeme rata. Najcrnji čas i hrvatsko-bošnjački rat u srednjoj bosni (ne znam autore, ali lagano se zgoogla) su dobri pokazatelji nekih međunarodnih politika tu. Jer tu ne postoje samo 3 interesa. Ima ih prilično više. Pa BiH, koja je trenutno međunarodni protektorat, zbrinjava ne znam koliko europske diplomacije :D. Mislim da više od 2/3 "pomoći za razvitak" koje dolaze tu ode na njihove plaće... Tako da...
A i glavno ti je pitanje koliko se oko nekih stvari možeš dogovoriti.--Čeha (razgovor) 10:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Dodik-Tadic file

Hey LAz17. Just FYI, PRODUCER is now trying to queue a random Reuters Photo of Tadic/Dodik for deletion. Ridiculous. I am getting sick and tired of him following me around reversing my contributions and just plainly messing around. Do you know a section where one can report biased actions of one user on another? Its not about the articles anymore, now he's just plainly doing stuff out of spite. At least with Ceha you can talk/argue/come to conclusions but this guy is getting on my nerves. BTW if you ever want to queue a file for removal, here's the place: ] Pozdrav! Onyxig (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm, well, it's not difficult to set something for deletion if it is just on the english wikipedia. What makes it hard is if it is on commons, 'cause then you gotta work through commons, and well, that's more complicated and I am lazy to learn how. :P

As for dodik and tadic... I quite frankly am not fond of either of them. I really dislike tadic... I mean dude, he had less than 50% of the vote of the serbs... probably 40% of the serbian vote, and then he won thanks to the 15% minority population in serbia. Therefore he is not supported by serbs. I find the EU to be a bad thing, and find all people who want to lead serbia to the EU as traitors. The west bombed us, did it not? The only reason why the pro-west candidates ever came to power was because the ones who bombed us gave them tens of millions of dollars come elections time. Pretty rotten, don't you think? Not democratic. As for dodik... he's a very very fishy person. First of all, he was in biljana plavisic, a person who purged republika srpska of many serbs who were socialist and communist. This is anti-democratic. On je covek sa tri lica... pazi se njega. Ja licno volim partije SDS i HDZ u bosni. (LAz17 (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)).

Pozdrav Laz17 razumem te potpuno :). Stavio sam sliku da ima malo visual representation njihovih sastanaka. Ja licno mislim da DS u Srbiji su jedna obicna izdajnicka bagra. Gospodin Tadic nikome normalnom nije seo :) Gori od njega su Cedo i Canak. Vise sam bio opredeljen za SRS (malo razocaran primitivizmom i huskanjem)/SNS(malo zbunjen pravljenjem ove stranke i iskrenosti koju obecavaju)/DSS (malo nepoverljiv njihovim stavovima jer su bili prvo za zapad a sada???)... iako mi je sve to nesto prozirno. U Bosni sam i ja za SDS, samo sam za njih i znao. Ove socijaldemokrate neznam odakle dodjose. Dodik mi isto ne lezi, jel kolko sam razumeo uz njega i njegovu partiju izgubismo sve od vojske do obiljezja, himni zastava, pasosa, sve se rasprodade. Onyxig (talk) 05:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hej, dal si video interview sa dodikom na hrvatskom tvu? (LAz17 (talk) 17:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)).

Nisam jel to sad nesto novo ili onaj stari? Znam da je jednom bio na HRT-u. Onyxig (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Serija se zove nedeljom u dva... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThLXte0vo3I (LAz17 (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)).

Hvala puno bas cu pogledati.Onyxig (talk) 20:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Nationalism Is Harmful

Go look at that template again. I think you'll be pleased. DS (talk) 05:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Kosovar Barnstar of National Merit
		It seems you've been doing a good job around Kosovo-related articles, cheers. -- C D 13:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

yay. :) (LAz17 (talk) 17:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)).

Zasto crni Lazo prihvati tu medalju kvazi "drzave"... sta bi? Mozda nisam dobor upucen :) Onyxig (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Vsyo haraso ko sto bi rusili kazali... stvar je da medalja nema veze sa icim... ima samo veze sa tim da sam mnogo uredjivo na temama u vezi sa kosmetom. To je tako neka vrsta priznanja da sam uradijo neku dobru ulogu na vikipediji. Mislim hej, nesmeta a da bude stvar gora, ovi neznaju ni sta rade mozda... ja sam samo popravljo srpske stvari tamo(nije bas srpsko, nego samo generalna informacija, i to jebiga nesmeta nikome, osim sto se po populaciji vidi veliki porastaj albanaca u municipalitetima)... ali i ujedno oni to uvazavaju i ako ce da mi daju nesto sto se ceni na vikipediji, onda sto da ne. Nadam se da je sad teze da se neki zale na mene. Nesmeta, a mozda ce da zezne nekog. (LAz17 (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)).

Ma razumem jebiga sta ces malo sma zezo :) Znam vredi dobiti edit nagradu neku dobijes veci respect. Mozda onda nekad i izadjes na kraj sa zajebantima. Evo bas sam producera report za 3rr, pa videcemo sta bude. Kad se sve smiri oko toga malo cemo reconstruct article. Pokusacu da dodam neke sekcije o gradovima, nosnji, obicajima itd. Onyxig (talk) 20:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Pozdrav Lazo

Sta se radi. Video sam onaj Dodik video. Davno sam ga gleadao kad je gostovao u tom dnevniku. Jebiga mogo se malo vise braniti. Evo ban su me nedelju dana zbog mog dobrog prijatelja PRODUCERA. Ali cova je vec nazad i sere po RS stranici ko po obicaju. Tesko se lece kompleksi, ne damu se dalje od srba. Cujemo se. Onyxig (talk) 17:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ma malo sam zauzet ovi dana. Mnogo moram da citam za ispite. Jebiga. (LAz17 (talk) 03:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)).

Srecno na ispitima, zajebano je sad ali isplatice ti se kasnije. :) Onyxig (talk) 16:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hej, ima novosti... gledam avaz ponekad, da vidim sta se prica tamo. Ipak, vidi ovo... http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/dogadjaji/aktuelno/na-ivici-gladi-oko-40-posto-gradjana - Prosječan budžet četveročlane porodice u BiH trebao bi biti 1.651 KM, ali u FBiH iznosi 771, u RS 819... (LAz17 (talk) 17:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)).

Looks like we gotta talk in English. Interesting info. Thanks for adding it to RS article. Doesn't look too good over there in general. People are barely getting by. Onyxig (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Mozemo da govorimo srpski na nasim talk pageovima, al ne na talk pageovima od clankova vikipedije. :) (LAz17 (talk) 19:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)).

To sam i mislio ali pogledaj sta je AGreen napisao ispod. Nebi trebalo da ima veze :) Onyxig (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well darn. This sucks man. Linguistic persecution. Still, I'll look into personal talk pages. Meh. (LAz17 (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)).

You can look into whatever you like. This is the English Misplaced Pages and you should communicate in English at all times here. As for linguistic persecution, well, if that is your attitude, maybe Serbian Misplaced Pages is a better place for you. If you use Serbian or any other language on your talk pages or anywhere else again, I'll be very happy to refer the matter to AN/I. The issue has come up several times, and the result has always been the same. Your call. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I asked them to warn you regarding your threats about personal discussion on my page. Some things that we talk about have nothing to do with wikipedia. Regards, (LAz17 (talk) 04:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)).

If you carry on in this vein, your career at en:wiki will be short but turbulent. I'll be watching with great interest ;-)AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi LAz17, per Misplaced Pages:TALK#Good_practice, please refrain from using other languages in talk page posts. Remember that this is the English Misplaced Pages. Many thanks, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry amigo mio. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=272656120&oldid=272655926 (LAz17 (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)). Now then, whatever we do, be it intimate homosexual love making or a casual hi, it's not your business. (LAz17 (talk) 16:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)).

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Bosna

Looks like your hopes of a third entity are down the drain, not mention dodiks may be slapped with corruption charges. Sorry to disappoint you but what can you do when you have such an incompetent idiot for a leader. PRODUCER (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The HDZ wants a third entity, as do most croat people. Don't worry, soon Komsic, a bosniak, will be removed from power. Come new elections, the muslim votes won't count for croat candidates, and the HDZ will be united next time, not divided. It is a shame that you support the quiet cultural genocide on the croats. Oh, and btw, R.S. is not going away. Cheers. (LAz17 (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)).

Yes its somehow a shame that I don't support ethnic segregation. Even the bosnian croats are criticizing their own for this nonsense. As for the RS its just going to go down hill from here. PRODUCER (talk) 19:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks like that is some guy from Posavina, and croats from there would criticize any agreement which leaves them as losers- but they're losers in any case, the ones from posavina.

I do not see what you mean by R.S. going downhill. Is this one of your fantasies? People have been saying this for years. R.S. is here to stay, and it's not going away. Now, we know that you are biased and would like to see it go, but things that we want to do not always happen. Sorry. (LAz17 (talk) 18:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)).

Re. your comment

If you ever come onto my talk page or that of any other user with threats of that nature, your account will be blocked under WP:CIVIL. The article was a single sentence and an infobox. These kinds of things get deleted all the time. If you're looking to add content, I will gladly revert the deletion. Next time, ask nicely. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

There. It's done. Like I said, please ask nicely next time. Works much better for all involved and it only takes a moment to replace content. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

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Image help

You seem to be a fairly fruitful ex-yu map creator. Could you please create a map of the Neum dispute for the article Bosnia and Herzegovina–Croatia relations? —Admiral Norton 20:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Sori, dugo nisam bio za kompjuterom. Treba mi karta koja bi prikazala područje Neuma i Pelješkog mosta s državnim granicama i naznačenim polutokom Klekom i otočićima Mali i Veliki Škoj (fakat su maleni, nemaš ih na svim kartama). Ukratko, treba mi nešto tipa , ali tako da se vidi čitava bh. obala. —Admiral Norton 16:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Slike

Vidio sam da si ti na Wikipediju na engleskom jeziku postavio sliku Senj.PNG. Zanima me dali bi mogao tu sliku staviti i na Wikimedia Commons, te nakon toga i u Category:Senj??????????????

Bio bih ti jako zahvalan na tome!

Pozz!

--The Nerd from Earth (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2009 (CET)

Hmmm

Pa, neznam dali na Wikipediji na engleskom zasada ima barnstarova na hrvatskom, ali ću se svakako raspitat! A ako ih nema, ona ih se možda može prebacit s Wikipedije na hrvatskom! Svakako ću se raspitat! Nadam se da ćemo se još čut!

Pozz!

--The Nerd from Earth (talk) 11:35, 26 April 2009 (CET)

problem with pec

Why are you putting back those old false figures that allude that there is 170,000 people in the pec municipality??? Go to page eight here, http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PDACL544.pdf ,and we see the other estimates on the wiki page, it is totally ridiculous to say that their population in the municipality doubled in a couple years. Wtf?????? Just ask yourself where the logic is, it most certainly is not with the numbers there. (LAz17 (talk) 22:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)).

Hi LAz17. I restored the ca. 170,000 figure because it is the one mentioned in the reference used (the OSCE Mission in Kosovo's Municipal profile of Peć, of March 2009). I added that figure in November 2008, using as reference the April 2008 municipal profile, which gave the same figure.

You provide above a Catholic Relief Services' report of the Youth Securing the Future project (. pdf document), from ca. February 2008, which gives a different figure of 91,112 inhabitants, based on an OSCE municipal profile of 2005. – I don't know what this difference means, but I note two points:

The Catholic Relief Services' report & our article on Peć rely on numbers from the same organization: the OSCE Mission in Kosovo (more specifically, both rely on the OSCE's municipal profiles).
The Catholic Relief Services' report uses OSCE data from 2005, while our article uses OSCE data from April 2008 & March 2009.

I can imagine four different explanations for this significative discrepancy of 91,000 vs. 170,000:

The municipality's population almost doubled in three years.
The OSCE made a mistake either in their 2005 municipal profile, or in both their April 2008 & March 2009 ones.
The Catholic Relief Services misinterpreted the OSCE's 2005 data.
Perhaps the OSCE's municipal reports from 2005 gave numbers for both the whole municipality (the town of Peć and the 95 villages) and for the town of Peć alone; the CRS used the number for the town alone, but listed it as "municipality".

To me, the last option looks like the most rational explanation, but I simply don't know the facts. Do you ?

On the other hand, both in the comments above and in your edits to the article you appear to affirm that the CRS's 2005 data is correct, while the OSCE's April 2008 & March 2009 data provide "false figures". Do you know for a fact that this is the case ? If so, do you have any sources with which to back that claim ?

Note that the USAID's Local Government Initiative entry for Peć municipality mentions that "he current population is estimated at 113,500 inhabitants", while their infobox mentions: "Population: 114,000" (these figures would represent a more reasonable growth from a possible 91,000 in 2005.).

The USAID's Local Government Initiative entry for Peć municipality links to a Profile of Peć (.pdf) from December 2004, prepared by a certain Kosovar Institute for Policy Research and Developement (KIPRED - www.kipred.net). In page 3, it gives the following populations figures: "1953: 53,280 – 1961: 66,656 – 1971: 90,124 – 1981: 111,071 – 1999: 113,000 – 2003: 115,000 – 2004: 125,000".

I'm still looking for other sources. - Best, Ev (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

It is impossible for such drastic expansion of populations. It means that one of the estimates is wrong. I am sure that the latest data is wrong, as it is impossible for such big increases. Pec was the area that suffered the most in the 1999 war, the city was the most destroyed city, there simply is not enough infrastructure to sustain such a huge population. 115,000 is a good estimate. Now we wonder why would there be higher estimates... the reason is because the people who estimate use projections, so they take into account the drastic growth of the past, so they assume that this drastic growth continues. The conditions that these projections ignore is the war and emigration that has affected most municipalities in Kosovo. Here's something, link. This report is longer and more detailed. More effort was put into it. (LAz17 (talk) 03:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)).

What you provide now is the OSCE Mission in Kosovo's Municipal profile of Peć of May 2006 – we're mostly dealing with the same documents by the same organization: the OSCE's municipal profiles. :-) As you note, these older OSCE profles were more detailed; I always wonder why they switched to the current format.

That May 2006 municipal profile mentions that the "municipality is divided into 28 territorial communities, comprising a total of 95 villages, with an approximate population of 125,000." — However, the "Table 1.1: Ethnic Composition, Including IDPs" give an estimate figure of 91,112 inhabitants (noting that in early 2005 the actual number of people registered in the municipality was of 81,026, but that it was believed that many people had not officially registered).

So, in short, so far we have the following:

KIPRED's municipal profile (December 2004): 125,000.

USAID's Local Government Initiative (date unclear, but mentioning outdated local government members -the current "official" mayor is Ali Berisha- and linking to KIPRED's profile of December 2004): 113,500 in text and 114,000 in infobox.

OSCE Mission in Kosovo's Municipal profile (May 2006): ca. 125,000 in text and 91,112 in table.

OSCE Mission in Kosovo's Municipal profile (April 2008): ca. 170,000

OSCE Mission in Kosovo's Municipal profile (March 2009): ca. 170,000

The European Centre for Minority Issues - Kosovo (ECMI Kosovo), which is both a non-governmental organisation registered and located in Kosovo and a branch office of the European Centre for Minority Issues (ECMI - www.ecmi.de), does not provide any figures in their entry for Peć (after May 2008). Instead, they limit themselves to mention that "ccurate population statistics are not available for Kosovo. The numbers presented here are approximate estimates by the Local Community Office, cross checked with OSCE Municipal Profiles and Civil Society", and link to a comment on statistical data.

I guess that in our entries we should add a clear mention of this situation to the demographics sections of all municipalities of Kosovo. I will be thinking of a proper wording (and adequate sources).

For the specific case of Peć, we still need a more recent source giving different numbers from the OSCE's 170,000. I'm still looking. - Best, Ev (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Albania-Kosovo Highway

I read your comment on WP:Kosovo. Do you think the name "Albania-Kosovo Highway" is the most suitable name for this proposed article? I will give you a hand in creating this article if you like. Please write back. Regards Ijanderson (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Request

I'd appreciate it if you could participate in the talk section of this article. Hvala Balkanskiredneck (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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Are under discussion at WP:WQA#User:LAz17. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

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issue

You deleted the entire geography of republika srpska krajina. Why then has the content of the page not been put into the page of republika srpska krajina? You seem to ignore the population geography and political geography which have absolutely NOTHING to do with modern day croatia. This was a VERY distinct region, and the geography page talked about this. Therefore that warrants keeping this where it was, not eliminating it, it's content, census data, population estimates, settlements, etc... (LAz17 (talk) 13:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)).

I can't find a page by that name that has ever existed. Can you please specify the exact name (capitalization is important), or link to the deletion log or discussion? Stifle (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Towns_in_the_Former_RSK

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Geography_of_the_Former_Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina (LAz17 (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)).

Thank you. That article was not deleted, but redirected. You can find the content here if you wish to merge it to Republic of Serbian Krajina or any other article. Note also that it was Fritzpoll, not me, who carried this out. Stifle (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: issue

You are, actually, the one who "tampers" with the article, because I just reverted it to a long-stable version. Also, I was the one who discussed it on the talk page first. No such user (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, where are you on that talk page? No such user (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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Re: bookic

Ide se vanka :) Jesi li ti pogledao za imena tih naselja? Kao što sam rekao čini mi se da je previše naselja označeno plavom. Kada ulovim vremena dat ću ti još par konkretnih primjera (kao za Kakanj i Kupres).
I'm going out:) Have you asked for the names of those settlments? As I said it seems to me that to much of settlments are colored blue. When I get some time I'll give you a few more concreate examples (as I did for Kakanj and Kupres).
C'ya :) --Čeha (razgovor) 20:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Da znam, radio sam dosta tih karata sam pa sam svjestan koliko to vremena oduzima. Gle i meni se čini da nema nekih velikih grešaka, nego samo sitnijih tipa naselje, dva, tri. Trebao bih malo bolje pogledati kartu usporediti je s onom kartom naseljenih mjesta (koja nažalost nije službena već je djelo nekog entuzijasta s weba) kao i popisima na wikipedijama. Zato bi gotova karta položaja naselja bila zgodna a ne da se mora provjeravati po google mapsu položaje pojedinih sela :) A i nije da sam nešto u zadnje vrijeme na wikipediji, masa drugih obaveza...
Ja sam ti inače iz Zagreba. Lijep gradić :)
Ovi likovi bi trebali malo proći kroz te karte otkloniti greške (idealno bi bilo da i stave popise naselja, ako su to već stavljali na wikipediju, dali besplatno na gledanje i ostavili mail za kontakt, mislim da oko toga ne bi smjelo biti problema) i po mogućnosti staviti neke od popisa i na latinici :) Super ćirilica i sve, ali s obzirom da je ovo engleska wiki :) A i lakše je drugim ljudima za gledati i čitati (počevši od mene pa nadalje:).... Ti si iz Srbije ili ? --Čeha (razgovor) 21:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Mali ti je ovo svijet :) A slovenci ko slovenci. Mi sada s njima imamo priličnih problema oko eu i izbijanja maka na konac. A, ide to sve u krug... Frka oko tih karata što ih je premalo službenih, previše amaterskih, a tako se uvijek potkradne neka greška. Nisam vidio karte Hrvatske. Imaš link?
Prva karta je ok(1991), a drugu nisam stigao pogledati. Doma me jučer nešto zezao laptop a u uredu nemam firefox (a ME nažalost ne prikazuje iste kako spada). Budem pogledao večeras, trebala bi biti ok.
EU ti nije loša, ukoliko se ne zaboravlja zašto služi. A to je ispunjavanje nacionalnih interesa:) Pretpristupni i pristupni fondovi su zbilja moćni (Španjolsku su podigli dok si rekao keks). Naši problemi ti leže u tkz. "elitama" (i tome što pravosuđe ne funkcionira baš kako bi trebalo, barem u Hrvatskoj). Mislim da u Češkoj i Poljskoj nisu izvršili skoro sveopću prodaju nacionalnih poduzeća kao što je to u Hrvatskoj ili Mađarskoj (oni su još gori od nas). Dok god se na EU gleda kao na sredstvo (jači razvitak države, veći prihodi pučanstva) sve 5. Kada se počinje tupiti o tome kao cilju tada stupa na scenu ovaj kolonijalizam o kojem pričaš... Pa pogledaj Bugarsku (koja je u EU). Sva lova je otišla lokalnoj mafiji, a polovina pučanstva im se iselila (mislim da ih sada ima oko 7 milijuna?, 81 ih je bilo 10 milijuna). Ako si ne pomogneš sam zalud ti sve ostalo :/ --Čeha (razgovor) 11:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Karta 2001 je loša (i to čini mi se jako). ovo ti je karta hrvatsje po općinama. Nekako mi se ne čini da se previše razlikuje od karte po naseljima (s obzirom na veličinu općina). --Čeha (razgovor) 21:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Može biti, tamo naselje doslovce može biti seoce od 2 kuće :) Karta je u svakom slučaju zanimljiva. Po njoj bi se reklo da su se Srbi vratili u skoro sva mala seoca istočne Like, sj. Dalmacije, Korduna i Banovine. Dok u zap. Slavoniji to baš i nije bio slučaj. Ne znam, kako stvari stoje uskoro će i novi popis:)
Ne bi se složio dokraja s tobom oko EU. Iako djelomično imaš pravo. To je napravljeno da bi se određeni ljudi i države obogatile. Pogotovo one velike. Ali to ne znači da je napravljeno konkretno protiv nekog. Ako je državna stabilna i složna otkantat će ih sve i napraviti na svoju korist.
Evo ti primjer našeg ZERPa. To ti je razgraničeno još između Jugoslavije i Italije. Hrvatska je imala pravo po svjetskom pravu tu proglasiti svoj gospodarski pojas. I onda ti neki glasnogovornik eu izvali, da da to je sve u redu, ali oni preferiraju "politiku kompromisa". Kakvih kompromisa kad je jasno po nekakvom međunarodnom zakonu tko ima pravo na što??
I onda ti se na kraju naša vlada savila i popustila talijanskom interesu. Da smo bili normalniji, rekli kvragu sve neće nitko od nas raditi budale, ovi bi se frnjili kojih par mjeseci a poslije bi bilo ok. Ne može nitko (bez obzira koliko velik) protiv nekakvog međunarodnog prava (to se dosta tiče i vas na jugu). Treba izdržat pritiske i biti svoj. A jbg :/ A ovo za free trade u principu imaš pravo. Pa već imaš akcije u Americi "kupujmo američansko :)". Laganini ti se mijenja slika svjeta. E sad na bolje ili na gore to ostaje tek da se vidi... --Čeha (razgovor) 12:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Jesi se čuo s ljudima ?--Čeha (razgovor) 22:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Daj pošalji ljudima poruku, da se to sve može provjeriti. Ne znam u čemu je problem? --Čeha (razgovor) 11:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Vidim da ti je zbilja problem, pa zato baš me zanima što će reći. Nažalost s obzirom da baš i ne razumijem ćirilicu, ako odgovor ne bude na latinici :/
Da ponovim još jednom, hoću da podaci budu provjereni. --Čeha (razgovor) 16:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC) In short they are talking about this map --Čeha (razgovor) 20:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Zbilja is realy. Well if you don't speak Croatian it is no wonder :) The map is theirs map just with other colors. Traditional Serb colors in BiH are red, and Croatian are blue. In this way that map is more easily comparable with my maps. Relative majority areas are colored as same as absolute and not inhabitet or minority areas are colored as majority of neighourhoud.... --Čeha (razgovor) 15:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Let me repeat once more. If the Serbs call themselves "heavenly people" that does not mean that blue represents Serbs. All the peace plans for BiH colored Serbs as red, and I just continued with that practice. If you wish you can paint your maps in pink with yellow dots for all of what I care.
Varijačić map was not deleted (at least not by me), nor I did anything to it. That copy which is currently active is just a copy of it with changed colors. If you would take your precios time and check, you would see that Varijačić original map is listed as source. If I take any of this maps onto the wiki they will have original sourced also. Even if I'm not obliged to do so (maps are withouth copywrite and with no attachments, they are just showing internal borders of BiH which those guys somehow get). Let me repeat once more. As my maps on which we are discussing are blue for Croats, red for Serbs and green for Muslims. I changed and put this on imageshack so you can better compare them. And see that they have only minior differnces. Capisci? --Čeha (razgovor) 21:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

re ttc ridership per year

I am confused, are you the same individual as the IP? Cirt (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Your message

Hi LAz, the WP:Deletion policy obviously has an AfD take precedence over past take page discussions. If sourced, it would be an improvement for the main article. Spellcast (talk) 02:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The CfD is separate from the AfD and consensus can change. I understand you wanted the page kept, but restoring it under a different name is really out of process. Yes, the 2007 CfD result was to delete the category and listify, but that doesn't take priority over a direct AfD discussion of an article. A sourced list would enhance the main article and it's not like any information would be lost if that's done. Feel free to bring any of this up at WP:AN or WP:ANI, but I doubt it would result in anything different. Spellcast (talk) 15:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This is incorrect and the result of the AfD is to redirect. Only content that complies with policies such as WP:V, WP:OR, WP:RS etc. can be merged. I didn't see much evidence of reliable sources to make a comprehensive independent article for a small list, which is why I nominated it. I hope you don't think it's because of nationalistic nonsense (Balkan articles unfortunately attract such users). About the older thread at Talk:Towns in the Former RSK#merger suggestion?, 5 favoured keeping and 8 favoured merging or deleting. Obviously, consensus isn't a vote, so if you determine the consensus based on the strength of the arguments, I still see it leaning towards merging or deleting (and that's even if you include your canvassed "votes"). But regardless of that thread, an AfD ultimately determines an article's fate. Repeatedly restoring an article against an AfD result (under any name) is disruptive and tendentious, so there won't be another warning on this. The last thing anyone wants is a block and I really don't like applying them over this. WP:ARBMAC may also be of interest. Spellcast (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Block

I'm sorry it had to come to this, but you've been blocked for 48 hours. Towns in the Former RSK is a duplicate of Geography of the Former Republic of Serbian Krajina which was redirected per AfD. You restored the page despite being told AfD results apply to any article which duplicates the same content no matter what name. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may appeal it by adding {{unblock|Your reason here}} below. Spellcast (talk) 04:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Invite to work on the SFK09

Hello We are working on creating a workgroup for wikimedia kosovo http://sfk2009.ning.com/group/wikimediakosova and have an event on august 29/30 in Prishtina. We would like to invite you to come. http://www.kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/index.php/sfk09/call-for-papers.html

Thanks,

mike Mdupont (talk) 11:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Bosnia map dispute

I've had more than my fair share of headaches from that topic so if you don't mind, I hope you all can settle it amongst yourselves. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Conference invite

Hi, Wikimedia is a big topic, we call it open knowedge for trademark issues. Travel expenses will be covered for speakers. the wikimedia kosovo group is to help bring people together and train them for wikipedia. alot of people are just msn.facebook users and need a place outside of wikipedia to meet. we are working on forming a kosovo chapter.... mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdupont (talk • contribs) 07:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Adem

LAz17, i need your opinion. Please, we have problem with one article, and your voice will be useful.

Adem Jashari, and Talk:Adem Jashari.

Thank you, and i wait for your words.

Tadija (talk) 10:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm too late... sorry. (LAz17 (talk) 16:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)).

Bosnian maps =

Laz, those maps are good. I offered you to make them more precise, but if I'm not mistaken you refused that. Map precision could be better but it is in tolerable limits. --Čeha (razgovor) 22:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC) And we did not check them. That guys did not contact me, and we do not know where is wich village.--Čeha (razgovor) 20:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

AfD of Ethnic maps

I have nominated Ethnic maps of Bosnia and Herzegovina for deletion. As a recent editor of the article I thought you should be informed. Polargeo (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Bushtriprsta.jpg

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It is important because it shows that Tadic got the direct support for the reelection from the Russian President. Your personal thought that it is irrelevant and that it is not related to reelection is just that, your personal though and has no significance for Misplaced Pages.

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Yeah sure I inserted lies with sources to Misplaced Pages and that got him reelected. Your theory is so interesting, you could make a movie out of it. However this is the reality not fiction so please act correspondingly.--Avala (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

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Sockpuppet

Do you really think that I am sockpuppet of Fairchild-Republic and others?--Ex13 (talk) 12:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. (LAz17 (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)). I also think that Producer might be a puppet of Direktor, though I do not bother to look up more into that. (LAz17 (talk) 14:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)).

Predložio bih dogovor. Budući da imam namjeru u narednom periodu pisati o svemu povezanom s tramvajima u Hrvatskoj, materijala imam dovoljno kao i foto, ostavio bih svoj template, a neću dirati tvoj. Može tako? A ako će netko treći, tko će pisat te članke, ima drugu ideju, opet ćemo diskutirati--Ex13 (talk) 14:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Nudim ja tebi drugi dogovor, da ti pises o tramvajima i da bude samo jedan template. Nema nista drugo da mogu da nudim u ikakvim diskusijama. (LAz17 (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)).

Ne tu se stvarno slažem. Koji je smisao imati šest bezveznih template-a kad ih pola i onako nema dovoljno linkova. ("Former trams" su po mom skromnom mišljenu below Misplaced Pages notability.) --DIREKTOR 15:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Suradnik

What is to be done? First get a checkuser. Learn how to do it, its not complicated (read all about it step by step, here). I honestly don't know if the guy's a sock, but find out before wasting more energy. After that you've got two options: 1) Start the WP:DR dispute resolution process. Take it by the book. OR 2) you could simply nominate the Croatian template for deletion WP:AfD. However, bare in mind that there's a lobby of people who will vote down anything they perceive as "anti-Croatian", no matter how ridiculous. Inform neutral people about the deletion (if you go that way). --DIREKTOR 18:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice request

Hi there, I notice that you are interested in Bloc Party. I have nominated Intimacy at FAC here and would appreciate some input from you and possibly a verdict. RB88 (T) 19:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --Avala (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I have removed your personal attack. If you do it again, I will block you. Please see my note above and confine yourself to the issues. Calling another contributor a disgrace to Misplaced Pages is unacceptable. --Moonriddengirl 16:34, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Watch it LAz, don't do anything stupid... --DIREKTOR 17:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Čeha

Well, I'm pretty busy "dethroning an Ustaše king" :P so I won't be able to really get involved (have a look, contribute :). He may have been rude, but you're the one posting on his talkpage against his wishes (always a bad idea, believe me I know :). The map looks excellent, and I can see no harm in uploading it (if your guys at srWiki can get past copyright). In any case my opinions are irrelevant, I again recommend you bring the (presumably) faulty maps to the attentions of admins. --DIREKTOR 17:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Laz, again don't lie. The last sentance on that talk page was mine from 26 of June 2009, and I said; Laz, what's wrong with you? That qoute goes for 1991 map of Croatia. Damn it man, how can we talk if you twist my words. For bih map I said that I need further validation. E-mail those guys already. I don't know it is from your bad english or do you have problems in cognition, but there is something seriously wrong with you man. YOU did not give any validation of that maps, any link to place names or anything else which would be of any use. Just a map which is similar to mine.

I'm not gonna argue. You have problems. And I realy don't care. Do not post on my pages any more. Thanks in advance. --Čeha (razgovor) 20:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Laz, don't scrable on my pages. I lost you, and I don't have a clue what are you trying to say? And, I realy don't care. If you don't have anything verifible, don't trublle me no more. --Čeha (razgovor) 15:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

You don't have a clue? You seem to, on the map discussion page. Stop lying. Your stuff is less verifiable. (LAz17 (talk) 06:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)).

Laz I realy don't know is your english so much bad or something else, but :) Please stop. Your claims are a bit ridicilous. --Čeha (razgovor) 15:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Stop insulting. Claims are not ridiculous - people have had problems with your maps ever since you posted. You know very well what I am talking about - you seemed to know for months, and now all of a sudden you don't. Don't play dumb. My english is better than yours, both verbally and grammatically. (LAz17 (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)).

Obviously it is not. I ask for just one thing. Valid and verifible. That's all. --Čeha (razgovor) 01:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Valid? Oh ho, then your maps are bullshit by default. Those maps are verifiable, unlike yours. (LAz17 (talk) 02:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)).

Your language describes you better than I ever could.--Čeha (razgovor) 14:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Maps

I am not author of these maps of Bosnia on Serbian Misplaced Pages and I have no idea on which data these maps are based. It would be best that you contact author of these maps to ask him about sources that he used. PANONIAN 20:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Hej. Posatvio sam ti neke mape koje si trazijo. Mozda cu da postavim neku svoju. (Lilici (talk) 23:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)).

File copyright problem with File:ErsteBankEishockeyLigaLogo.png

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Excuse me, but you should look at what I wrote there. I asked for it to be deleted. Jeeze. (LAz17 (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)).

Blocking and "ugly words"

Nice from you that you've admitted that it was you .
But, words like "zajebavaš" are not allowed to be used on this encyclopedia. It degrades the level of discussion, insults and belittles your collocutor.
Unsourced? Man, do you understand Croatian? If you don't, I can translate some parts for you. That's the page of ice hockey club Mladost. The history of club. Kubura (talk) 03:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, it seems that you don't understand Croatian fully, so I'll help you.
The block expired after 7 days Blokiran je ...na rok 1 tjedan. "Tjedan" in Croatian means "a week".
Maybe in Serbian language "zajebavaš" isn't insult. In Croatian it is. In Croatian, using that word in discussion means disrespecting of your collocutor. Kubura (talk) 02:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a short time to prevent further disruption caused by your engagement in an edit war at Demographic history of Bosnia and Herzegovina. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Toddst1 (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Z9

Why do you unblock ceha without unblocking me? You are clearly biased. (LAz17 (talk) 05:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)).

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Leaguename

LAz17, this is not fully correct (19:14, 5 November 2009 LAz17 moved Talk:Croatian Ice Hockey Championship to Talk:Croatian Hockey League).
There's also Field Hockey League in Croatia. How do you think that one'll distinguish those leagues? Kubura (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Central Bosnia Canton

I merely changed the formatting, I didn't add any figures. PRODUCER (talk) 16:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

yes, no problem (LAz17 (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)).

Kind note about ANI

Hi, LAz17! This is a kind note to gently remind you that when you open an WP:ANI thread about another editor you need to inform them of it. No worries! I've gone ahead and let them know. This is just a gentle FYI. Basket of Puppies 18:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Again

I'm not a fan of the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" policy if thats what your aiming for. In hopes of resolving the dispute I attempted to find an official map and came across this little gem hosted by OHR. I also came across this , a discussion that can only be described as a cesspool of ethnocentrist stupidity. PRODUCER (talk) 01:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Any user created map is prone to POV, my aim is for the most official map, be it by municipality or settlement level. I've also come across from maps from the CIA. PRODUCER (talk) 08:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of HS Olimpija Ljubljana

Removing template - speedy was declined. Elen of the Roads (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

consensus

If you wish to remove sourced information please discuss on talkpage and reach consensus. Polargeo (talk) 06:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Attack Warning

Do not attack me as you did here and here. I will not tollerate it. That may be what you do when arguing with Ceha or PRODUCER but I will not play that game. I will remind you of Balkans sanctions In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you. Polargeo (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Stalker

Laz because of your rude behavior you were reported to ANI . --Čeha (razgovor) 02:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

For trying to start another edit war --Čeha (razgovor) 19:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Nationalistic POV is not welcome on wikipedia. (LAz17 (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)).

Map of Sandžak

I included in this map all municipal centres and urban settlements and Gradac is an urban settlement according to Montenegrin bureau for statistics, so yes, this settlement should be there. PANONIAN 08:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Rape Numbers

Hi Laz. I have left a comment on PRODUCER's talkpage. You will notice that the 100,000 number is not in the lede. The two sources for the 20,000-50,000 are from the last 3 years. Also it is very clear in the lede that the 20,000-50,000 is an estimate of the total number of women raped on all sides in the Bosnian War (not just by serbs). If you strongly think the number of women raped by all sides is significantly less than 20,000 or significantly more than 50,000 then this needs discussing. Otherwise if you would like a section on the debate surrounding the numbers raped then please propose this on the talkpage. I dislike the idea of having a section on the numbers debate because I feel it will be very unconstructive, but if you can do a balanced job of it then I would support it. Polargeo (talk) 09:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

How to avoid editing when not logged in

I saw you describing the problem you have, that Misplaced Pages's 'remember me' is only good for 30 days. To avoid editing when logged out, go to "My Watchlist" and bookmark that page. Then use that as the page you always use when you go to Misplaced Pages at the start of an editing session. If you are logged out, Misplaced Pages will display the 'please log in' page. This is the only page it will do it for, everywhere else, it will display pages normally. This way, you will always see immediately if you are logged out. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for personal attacks

LAz17, with this edit, you have continued your feud with User:Ceha with yet more personal attacks and accusations ("nationalist bigotry"), against my very clear and repeated warning to cease all such personalising of your dispute and concentrate exclusively on discussing factual correctness of the maps in question (, ). You are therefore now blocked, for 48 hours. During this time, I will try to work with Ceha as an informal mediator and try to figure out if his data can be verified, taking your objections into account. When you come back, you will have one more chance to join the discussion and make constructive contributions to it. However, the next time I see such attacks, you will be permanently topic-banned from all these cartography discussions under the rules of WP:ARBMAC. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How can Ceha use words POV in every other sentence and not get banned, yet I may not?

Here is the map btw.

(LAz17 (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)).

Observe this map closely, you will see that Bugojno is on the very border, and so obviously Donji Vakuf is not part of BH, as it is north of the border, . (LAz17 (talk) 22:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)).

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I feel that I have been unjustly blocked. What we have is that user Ceha calls anything that he disagrees with "nationalist POV". He said that to Direktor, because direktor had a different opinion - if someone's opinion is different, it is automatically nationalist POV, and he just says "I disagree" and then the discussion goes nowhere, just in circles. This is what made me use the words nationalist bigotry, what got me blocked. I think it is unfair to allow such a user to continually obstruct wikipedia, to provoke other and whatnot. I do however conclude that it is best to not have any discussions with the problematic guy, to just have messages that are as short as possible ,and as close to the point as can possibly be, without any unnecessary language or discussion whatsoever. The only thing that I do not get is if he insults what I say or ignores what I say - what can I do then? H would say sorry nationalist POV, and order me around like a dog - he has been doing that lately. It's frustrating, please understand.

Decline reason:

Per comments below. — Daniel Case (talk) 08:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Your request addresses the proximal cause of your block, but the contents of your request do not show a willingness to engage in productive discussion with other editors. Thus, this unblock request is unlikely to go through as currently formulated. I suggest that you rework the latter half of it. Dekimasuよ! 00:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it better now? (LAz17 (talk) 02:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)).

Perhaps. I'll leave the actual review to someone else; I have to be away from the computer now. Dekimasuよ! 06:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocking admin's comment: LAz17, your remarks here don't fill me with confidence you are willing to extend the necessary assumption of good faith to Ceha, which will be crucial if you are to engage in a constructive dialog with him. Maybe you can reconsider if you take into account that this episode may have been triggered by a misunderstanding on your part. You seem to be saying above that when you made your "bigotry" comment you were answering to a post where you thought Ceha had called somebody else's position "nationalistic POV"? Well, he didn't. The only passage where I see him using those words in the preceding discussion is where he is defending his own position against the objection that it might imply a nationalist POV. He isn't blaming anybody else. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

He called my opinion nationalist POV and keeps one discussion on multiple pages. See for yourself. and elsewhere too. He gets away with that, and I do not. Double standards in my opinion. (LAz17 (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)).

Next time when you block, feel free to extend the block to the same time when the IP gets unblocked. Technically I have two blocks, so it is really weird to have them not expire at the same time. (LAz17 (talk) 05:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)).

Sorry about the WP:Autoblock problem, which is a technical feature that we can unfortunately not avoid easily. I can no longer find any active autoblock on your name right now, so I suppose it has expired in the meantime. If you should still have problems editing, please contact me or some other admin or post {{unblock-auto}} here, stating your IP or the autoblock #, and it will be lifted quickly. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Islands

See this map File:BanovinaCroatia.PNG From Krk to Brač there are lot of islands, but not a single on the map. I will try to do something in svg.--Ex13 (talk) 17:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Maps

Well, you can draw maps by yourself in Photoshop program. I already planned to draw more history maps related to the history of former Yugoslavia, but I do not know when I will have enough free time for that. PANONIAN 16:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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LAz17, your continued feud with User:Ceha, which you have continued despite several warnings, leaves me no choice but to intervene. You have again met Ceha's work with rude accusations, insults and assumptions of bad faith ("What kind of joke are you?", "bullshit piece of crap"; "your on purpose switching of dates to try to confuse me" ). This is unacceptable, even if, as it appears, Ceha's work does in fact occasionally contain errors in need of critical review. You have demonstrated in a months-long pattern that you are not willing or not able to exercise this criticism in a constructive fashion. In the present instance, of your fight at Talk:Demographic history of Bosnia and Herzegovina, your latest answer to my question indicates you have little factual basis for your shrill accusations, because nothing of what you said actually warrants a description of the map as factually wrong.

I have little hope that this situation will improve as long as you are free to pursue your feud. As I warned you earlier, you are therefore now topic-banned from all edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia. This sanction will be logged under WP:ARBMAC and can be appealed through the means described there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

All I can say is I apologize for not being involved lately. I won't pretend I didn't assume you'd get topic-banned or blocked for WP:NPA sooner or later, but I got completely swamped with work during a period. I was at the hospital practically all day, and I had little time for Misplaced Pages. When I got back you guys spread the "feud" out before settling the Bosnian map so I felt discouraged, sorry again. --DIREKTOR 00:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

That big map is kinda silly. If you generalize like that all of Bosnia was populated by Muslims. That's unacceptable, unless the 1910 census generalized like that. Did the 1910 census generalize that way? (nothing I can do about the colors) --DIREKTOR 13:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

The point is, does the 1910 census present the information for the kotars, or merely for the districts? If only the information for the six districts exists, then the map is fine. --DIREKTOR 12:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That's the same problem over and over again... Ceha makes maps that are not detailed enough to reflect Bosnia's complexity, so they may be viewed as biased. On the other hand, one can't force him to make detailed maps if he does not want to. What can be done? Here's what I recommend you do: write-up a post on WP:ANI. Make it brief, very brief, and make it clear. You feel the map is biased and that User:Ceha is making these generalized maps because he wants to depict Bosnia as "more Croatian", but then again the map is his and it is accurate on the more general level.

Its quite the dilemma, so be careful to present it in an objective and brief way. That's my advice. --DIREKTOR 19:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Just saw this, and I'm afraid I have to intervene here: sorry Direktor, but this wasn't good advice. LAz is banned from making such posts. That goes for all namespaces, including WP:ANI. Sorry, he's had enough chances to raise his concern in such a brief and neutral and polite way. If he didn't manage to do that in over a year, why would he now? Direktor, you are quite welcome to raise the issue yourself if you find it important. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I see, apologies. Well lets cut to the chase, in a way. What's your opinion, FPaS? Bosnia is, of course, a very sensitive area as far as ethnic distribution is concerned. Čeha keeps making maps that are generalized in such a way they are perceived as biased, and its perfectly possible his goal is to push a Croatian nationalist POV (Ceha no offense, trying to be objective). On the other hand, his maps are accurate for the most part on their level of detail.

Is it worth getting feedback from the community? Ceha seems "within his rights", as it were. --DIREKTOR 00:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

LAz, I'll get right to the point: if Čeha really is POV-pushing with these maps, there's probably nothing anybody can do about that. He's free to make any map he likes, and if its accurate, nobody can really tell him to remove it. However, we'll see what he intends to do with the image. If its really controversial I'll issue an RfC. You STAY AWAY or else. --DIREKTOR 05:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

He has made inaccurate things in the past, hence my reasonable concern. I trust that you and FPaS will keep him in line. If there is one thing, it is that I respect your opinion and what you tell me. I will listen to you. Ti si moj batica. :) (LAz17 (talk) 06:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)).

Heh, fala lipa na povjerenju. One thing, though: stop talking about this, stop posting about this, just forget it for now. You will get blocked for good if you don't. --DIREKTOR 11:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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With this edit, you have again continued your wild accusations and personal attacks against Ceha, despite the topic ban that was explicitly designed to stop you from doing this, and despite my recent warning that the topic ban was valid for all namespaces including user talk pages. Of course you are free to argue about your sanction or appeal against it, but if you can't do even that without insulting your opponent, then it's really no use. I am blocking you again for another 48 hours. If I find you attacking Ceha one more time, no matter on what page (including this), you will be indef-blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I did not attack him at all if you read my post carefully. I only stated what happened and what he does. It's all true. (LAz17 (talk) 06:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)).

Weren't you blocked from balkan issues ? --Čeha (razgovor) 16:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

He's not banned from Balkan issues in general, he's banned from "edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia". He is welcome to make edits about other topics. I would ask Ceha to make his own contribution to keeping the peace by avoiding unnecessarily crossing paths with LAz, and I would ask LAz to avoid playing narrowly around the edges of the topic ban. LAz, I notice you did make some edits about the ethnic demographics of individual towns, as at Novi Pazar; please note that those, strictly speaking, do fall under the topic ban. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Re : I'm going by the wording I used when stating the topic ban: "all edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia". I chose that wording at the time because it seemed a safe way to include all edits that I imagined would be likely to have a potential for similar trouble. Obviously the wording does include edits about the historical demographics of individual places. If you want to argue that this is wider than necessary and a significant portion of such edits have always been uncontroversial, we can talk about that and try to tailor the ban more closely to the situation. However, until we sort that out, I would ask you to please stick with the wording as it stands. – Re , your touchiness is still troubling, and I consider the sock accusation quite patently baseless. Please refrain from making such accusations. I know Ceha goes on your nerves; if he does, please just don't respond at all, because we know it's not going to end well. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Without to much talk, sorry. I did not mean to offend anybody just checking if something changed while I was away. It won't happen again. --Čeha (razgovor) 22:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Calm Down

Please chill out. I am generally supportive of you on this. Polargeo (talk) 17:45, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no use in intelligent users like you getting blocked for incivility so I will ignore your comments about me on Talk:Bosnian War Polargeo (talk) 17:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Try this Polargeo (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh man...

In addition to apparently being in trouble about those railway templates, you also have broken your existing topic ban, with this edit .

Since I already warned you the other day, I can hardly let this one pass now. Blocked for 24hrs. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

RE:Hey

Sincere apologies for my belated response, LAz. Unfortunately, I am overwhelmed with work. As you can probably see from my contribs, I barely edit, and what little time I can spare is completely taken-up trying to keep a bunch of Croat nationalists from vandalizing one of the few good ex-Yugoslavia articles, the Josip Broz Tito article (and I probably won't be able to do that either, I can edit maybe on average once or twice a week). Apologies, again, and thanks for bringing such issues to my attention. Rest assured I shall investigate as soon as I can get a few days away from the hospital. --DIREKTOR 13:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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USD Bosna

Should each club have it's own page or should the USD page be a larger/more complex entity? Too many pages will be difficult to maintain going forward. Then again, there is precedent with KK, HK, and RK?Miden (talk) 04:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hard work

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O, hvala hvala! :D (LAz17 (talk) 04:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)).

Demographic history vs historical demography

Please note that historical demography describes a specific concept, while demographic history is a generic disambig article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

pozdravljajus

Ej, hvala ti na obavestenju, prevecu ovih dana. Nego, imam mapu niskog tramvaja iz 1940. godine. Imam i neke lepe slike, tipa dan kada je prebacen prevoz na autobuse. Ne snalazim se najbolje sa pitanjima licence, ne znam da li mogu da uploadujem? Sta bi trebalo da se napise za licencu? Sta da radimo sa time? --Alexmilt (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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I've declined the request for speedy deletion of UKK Bosna, based on the assertion that they won a 2003 European championship. I've asked, on Talk:UKK Bosna, for better references (in English wherever possible) for the club. Please, as you find them, add them to the article. If you're unsure how to integrate them, put the link on the talk page. In my opinion, the article should get a couple of weeks incubation time, and if there's still weak sourcing then, it may be nominated for AfD. Granted, that's my opinion, and nothing restricts other editors from nominating it immediately. I am watching the article to see how it develops. —C.Fred (talk) 22:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with sportdata.org, but on the surface, I'd say that shows they've entered the 2010 Dutch Open. Since they're competing at the international level, that should show notability. —C.Fred (talk) 04:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Please!

Tell to other side not to call me someone's puppet!--71.163.232.225 (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Wanna help?

Caos, vidi... (ajde na Engleskom da neki ne razmisljaju sta pricamo...) I was wandering if you had noteced what is really going on on Draža Mihailović article. Well, I´ll just make you a fast resume:

Me and User:BoDu and User:Jean-Jacques Georges have been oposing User:DIREKTOR editing of the article in the "Draza, a WWII Axis collaborator" way. User:AlasdairGreen27 has been fully supporting direktor, and User:Nuujinn "je njihov, al kao nije".
Most of the debating has been done initially by J.J.Georges and direktor and then by me and BoDu vs direktor and AlasdairGreen27, having all this ended with a mediation request that was accepted and finally, today User:Sunray accepted the mediation.
You can see all the discussions in the Draza talk page (archives Archive 2, Mediation request and Britannica beside the current talk page).
What I basically defend is that User:DIREKTOR is missinterpreting and exagerating the sources he has been using for the statements he has been making in the article, specially the lead one.
What is in question is weather can DM be considered simply as "WWII Axis collaborator", the obvious consequent text he has edited on the "Collaboration" sections of both DM and Chetniks articles, and also, important, the inclusion of them in the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism (see also talk page).

Wanna participate? The problem is that there may be no much time, because the mediator has just accepted the case, so I am not sure in what rhythm he would like to get this going. I am well prepared to dismantel the sources they have to demonstrate that they are not enough for the acusations direktor has been putting on him, but you may be very usefull to also help in further clarifiying his role. Anyway, kazi sta mislis, jer sam video da si vec ucestvovao u nekim diskusijama u 1om talk archives... Poz! :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Lazo, nemoras bre meni da pricas istoriju, samo sam te pitao jel oces da ucestvujes ili ne i ukratko ti rekao u cemu je stvar. FkpCascais (talk) 21:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

This is not really important (CZ or RS), at least not like some other issues where I think we agree (DM, but not Deutsche Mark). Anyway, you will find me expressing my trouth opinion in all ocasions, despite what who (friends or enemies) think... I already said to Vitriden on his talk page why I defend Red Star (see if you want). Poz! :) FkpCascais (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I said, "this is not important as...", but I will keep my vote because I think so. Nego, svasta si tamo bezveze rekao, si siguran da neces nesto da popravis tamo, ili skines (mene uopste ne briga dali me podrzavas ili ne...) FkpCascais (talk) 03:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ti kazes da ja nemam veze sa clankom o Srpskom fudbalu, jesi ti video cime se ja masovno ovde na en.wiki bavim? A sad kad bolje pogledam, kakve ti veze imas sa fudbalskim clankom? Ti si totalni vanzemaljac u tome... FkpCascais (talk) 03:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

E pa red je onda da postujes tudje misljenje. A ti em svasta pricas em jos imas obraza da napises ono o nozu u ledja... E kakav si. Ja da te ostavim na miru? Necu vise da te vidim, al nije ovo ni tvoje ni moje dvoriste, pa ima da postujes tudje misljenje hteo, ne hteo, kao sto cu i ja. Idi sad placi kod tvojih... FkpCascais (talk) 03:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Meni pomogao oko "Italijanskog Hrvata"? O cemu pricas? FkpCascais (talk) 03:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Da ti mene nisi sa nekim pobrkao? Kakve ja veze imam sa tim Faust Vrančićem? FkpCascais (talk) 04:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ti mene em nisi pomogao, em si meni zabio noz u ledja, i to upravo sad, na CZ strani sa DM. Ja sam mislio da se slazes oko toga, a ti ne, ti si odabrao da se pajtas sa drustvom sto zeli da nazifikuje coveka koji se borio kako je znao i mogao. Ti meni hteo da drzis neke lekcije o DM i istoriji? Prihvatam ja kritike, ali nije bio nazi kako tvoj drug zeli zlonamerno da ga prikaze, i ja se borim snjim zbog toga a i zbog prostakluka kojim se ponasa. A ti, ti si mogao da budes uz nas tamo, ili ne, mene to ne interesuje, al da ti se ja svetim, nebudi smesan. Jesi procitao na mojoj strani o mom karakteru? Ja se radje druzim sa finim ljudima sa kojima se uopste neslazem oko mnogih stvari, nego sa prostacima koji se slazu u svemu samnon. Takav sam ja, i kazacu sto mislim ma ko god, i kolko god protivnika imao, uvek, cak i sam, kao sto vidis. Konkretno, oko CZ/RS sam bolje objasnio na Vitridenovoj talk page zasto sam tako glasao, i nadam se da ti je jasno. A sad, putuj i nek ti je sa srecom. I samo jos jednom napisi neku psovku na mojoj srani (smatraj se oprostenim). Nisam ja tvoj pajtos, drugi su. FkpCascais (talk) 04:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

CZ je Crvena Zvezda, naravno... Mnogo komplikujes, nista nisi shvatio, a ukratko sam ti vec bio objasnio, ja samo tvrdim da sve sto direktor pise oko DM nije u njegovim sources i da nemoze da pocne clanak sa: "DM, World War II Axis-collaborator...". To je netacno i nije neutralno, i da nema dovoljne sources da ubaci Drazu i Cetnike u Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism. On bi da stavi Cetnike i Drazu u isti nivo kao, recimo, NDH i Pavelic, a to je absolutno netacno. Nebranim ja njih, Cetnike i DM, al ne dozvoljavam ni da se preteruje i laze, kao u tom slucaju. Samo to. Nemoram ja da biram tebe ili nekog, niti kakva meni pomoc tamo treba, nego sam hteo da se neko drugi sa tim bakce, kapiras? Zaboravi, sve je tamo pod kontrolom, a tebi da ne pada na pamet da kad ti se negde suprostavim, lupetas stvari kao sto si na Red Star strani, kako ti se ja svetim, ili da ja nemam pojma. Razumes? Ako ja nesto tako mislim, tako mislim, i nece me sigurno presija, ili neko lupetanje uciniti da promenim misljenje, bio ti Papa ili Mike Tyson, ali civilizovano da diskutujemo, na to mozes uvek da racunas. FkpCascais (talk) 05:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Metro

Ako pogledaš bolje, članak je iz 2004. i piše da će zagreb dobiti metro za 5 godina :) Sad je prošlo 6., još uvijek smo na tramvajima, i tako će biti vjerojatno narednih 20 godina. Trenutačno je ovo aktualno. Nisu u stanju poboljšati prigradsku željeznicu, niti izgraditi prugu do Samobora, a kamo li izgraditi metro.--Ex13 (talk) 07:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Red Star Belgrade/FK Crvena zvezda

You can't just change name, after dozens of people have said their reasons for the English name. I think the name should be FK Crvena zvezda as well, but there is a way to make that change (propose the move again, and then wait for the results of the discussion), and this isn't that way, so I am reverting it back to Red Star Belgrade.--Vitriden (talk) 12:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Vau, kakav si ti car. Elem, ako jos jednom ovo uradis, prijavicu te za blok, mada vidim da ti nece biti prvi put. Pozdrav i postuj tudje misljenje ako zelis da te iko shvati kao bilo sta drugo do iskompleksiranog idiota koji je upao u trip da je opasna faca posto moze da menja clanke na vikipediji kako mu se prohte.--Vitriden (talk) 09:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Ali, ja sam samo ignorisao sva pravila. Aaaa, sad ti se ne svidja, je li?--Vitriden (talk) 14:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You are extremely ill-mannered, and you refer to the Ignore all rules policy. Then you say I should follow the rules. Do you really think everyone else is an idiot?--Vitriden (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Da, svi su glupi, samo si ti pametan. Aj zdravo.--Vitriden (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Page moves

Pages should never be moved by simply redirecting them. You need to move the entire page, which includes its edit history, for the page to be compliant with the GDFL and CC licenses. Please do not do this in the future; instead file a request at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves if you think a page needs to be moved. Parsecboy (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Grr!

Ma, ubiću te! :) Nemoj mi tražiti, nagrade se ne traže! ništa se ti ne sekiraj! --Tadija 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Re

I thought about saying something about Fkp, but I figured its probably best to let you see for yourself. Šta možeš... lik me prati okolo :)

Just found this. Summer's coming... ;) --DIREKTOR 23:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

A, gde ja to tebe, kao, pratim, majke ti? Likove kao ti ja obicno samo ispracam... FkpCascais (talk) 03:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Kneževo, Bosnia and Herzegovina

Hej, samo da ti javim, ako vec ne znas, da je to ovde na ANI: . Mislim, nema veze, samo ga spominju, a kad sam video stranu, pogledao sam edit history i video sam da si je ti dosta editovao, pa zato ti javljam. Dobro si to uradio, ako se sad zove Kneževo, onda je Kneževo, a izgleda da te i ovaj Hans Adler, sto je tamo odgovorio, podrzava. Nego, sta bi sa Srbinjem/Foče? Na cemu je to ostalo? FkpCascais (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Nisam u toku o Brodu, al znam da se zove "Bosanski" da bi se razlikovao od "Slavonskog", bitno je kako se zvanicno zove grad sada. Ako su ga promenili u samo Brod, onda treba da bude "Brod (city)", nema sta. FkpCascais (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ma sto se Srbinja tice, nisam ja ni za ni protiv, nego pitam, onako... Oko Broda, ako hoces ja da ga menjam moras da sacekas da to potvrdim, a jedino da uradimo onaj "move request" kao sto je Vitriden uradio z Zvezdu oko imena. Problem isto je sto 3 sajta na strani govore o "Bosanskom Brodu" a 2 o "Brodu". Jel to onaj zadnji link, evo ovaj , zvanicna internet strana grada? FkpCascais (talk) 02:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Dobro, to si uradio. Ja bi im eventualno ostavio one sajtove, al odvojene od ovog zvanicnog, al nema veze. Dobro je. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Dobro je, dobro je... nemoj samo da im skidas zvezdice, od sada cemo samo da dodajemo! ;) FkpCascais (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Pa lepo pise na mojoj strani. Nisi video? FkpCascais (talk) 05:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Moras vise da gledas strane od drugih, to sve kaze o njima (ne mislim na mene, nego inace na vikipediji). Narocito kad diskutujes sa nekim, moras da mu pogledas stranu, da znas sto vise o njemu. Sto se ekipa tice slazem se absolutno sa tobom, mene vise intereseuje da nas fudbal celokupno napreduje nego samo jedna ekipa, makar to bila moja. Sa ovim, ocu da kazem, da mislim isto kao i ti, trebala bi OFK-a, ili Vosa da pobede. Eto, meni ove sezone bilo zao Vose, dosta je ulozila u igrace i sve, pa nista nije uradila... Jesi ti inace iz Hrvatske ili Bosne? Moji od mame su iz Sarajeva. FkpCascais (talk) 06:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Eto, ja sam se rodio u BG, odrastao u Meksiku, kratko vreme ziveo u New York-u, opet malo u Bg-u, pa sad vec zivim vise od 20 godina u Lisabonu, u Portugalu. Cesto zbog posla skacem i u Madrid, a kad god mogu dodjem u moj omiljeni grad gde sam se rodio, a ponekad i na more u Hrvatsku, al sad bas nedolazim puno, ipak gledam da kad imam vremena odem i do nekih drugih mesta. Evo sad zadnje sam ponovo bio u Maroku, ziva zajebancija i kulijana. FkpCascais (talk) 06:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Lazo, nemozes tamo na mediation da ucestvujes. Vidis da je pitanje dali ce uopste Nuujinn i Isidoradaven, koji su se upisali, moci ucestvovati (ti se nisi ni upisao gde treba). Zato sam te na vreme i pitao dali zelis da ucestvujes ili ne. A sto tamo pricas da sam ja Cetnicki simpatizer??? Ja to pod jedan nisam (Deda mi je bio partizan i putovao sa Titom), a vec sam ti 100 puta rekao da se ja samo tamo suprostavljam nacinu kako ga direktor prikazuje... Sto me sad zajebavas, nisam ja nigde njih branio, to je bas direktor pokusao da prikaze, a nije tacno: Ja samo tvrdim da oni nisu NAZI kako direktor ih prikazuje, nista vise!. To sam ti vec bar 2 puta ponovio, a ti uporno neshavatas. Ja cak smatram da treba drugi da ucestvuju jer ja nisam najbolji da ih branim! Zasto? Zato sto nisam simpatizer njihov!!! Razumes??? Ajde sad to idi popravi, ili skini, jer si totalno pogresio, bar o meni! FkpCascais (talk) 07:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC) Shvati molim te jos jednu stvar:direktor nije "Yugoslav nationalist", to je diskutabilno. On se ovde najvise bakce oko branjenja Hrvatskih Dalmatinskih likova protiv Italijana, a u tome nema nista "Partizansko", ili jako malo "Jugoslovenskoga". On nece da prizna, al on je jako anti-Srpski nastrojen. Kako? Tako sto cini sve da umanji ili gazi Srpsku ulogu u 2-om, a kako vidim, i u svim drugim situacijama. A ja nigde nekazem da Cetnici nisu kolaborirali (gde si to video da ja kazem, sem u direktorovoj propagandi?). Ja samo kazem da, sources to nijedne ne tvrde (da je on iskljucivo kolaborator). MOLIM TE PROCITAJ OVO DOBRO (VISE PUTA AKO TREBA) DA BI SHVATIO. FkpCascais (talk) 07:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nemoj lose da me shvatis, al ja stvarno mislim da je sad kasno da ucestvujes. Ja sam te lepo zvao na vreme, nerazumem sto sad hoces da ucestvujes. A vidim da nisi ni shvatio sta je zaista u pitanju. Jesi uopste procitao talk page na Drazinoj strani (ne ovaj zadnji, nego i arhive od pre 3 meseca kad je sve pocelo?). FkpCascais (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, LAz17. You have new messages at Tadija's talk page.
Message added 22:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Tadija 01:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

D.Mihailovic

Lazo, sad stvarno, jel ti znas sta je tamo u pitanju? Jer ja se bojim da ti nisi procitao diskusiju na talk page oko ove mediation i zato mesas ovu diskusiju sa nekim tvojim prethodnim... Drugo, ja mislim da ti bas nemas poziciju oko ovog pitanja, pa ni nevidim neku svrhu da ucestvujes da bi navijao za izjednacenje, razumes? Bojim se da ces lose da me shvatis, al ja stvarno neznam zasto hoces da ucestvujes, sem zbog "ucestvovanja". FkpCascais (talk) 02:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Translation:

Laz, really, do you know what is in question over there? Is because, I´m affraid that you haven´t read the discussion on the talk page regarding this mediation, and that you are mixing up this discussion with some previous that you had... Another issue is that I feel that you don´t really have a position regarding the questions there, so I don´t see the point of having you cheering for the draw, see? I´m affraid you´re not going to understand this in the right way, but I really don´t understand why you want to participate, rather then just for "participating". FkpCascais (talk) 02:42, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Fkp, jeli se to meni čini ili ti laganini mičeš sve usere za koje misliš da bi ti možda mogli proturječit? Ohladi malo i pusti ljude na miru: hoće li neko sudjelovat je između njega i mediatora. Malo se previše posesivno ponašaš prema ovoj medijaciji. --DIREKTOR 19:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Link

Loved the link :), here's one for you: . TBF, e s ovom stvari se slažem 100%... --DIREKTOR 19:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Aww bro, come visit me more often here in this doghouse. :(

Frankly I am not a fan of rap/rnb stuff. This is one of the few such songs that I can listen to... You like punk or rock at all? (LAz17 (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)).

LAz17

Prijatelju, pa rekao sam ti već na srpskoj Wikipediji da ne možeš da psuješ ljude. Izvini, ali sam morao da ti protivrečim na Wikiquette alerts. Molim te pokušaj da ne psuješ ljude u budućnosti, jer ćeš tako samo biti blokiran, a ništa zaista nećeš postići. Molim te izvini ako sam te uvredio ovim, ali samo moram da pokušam da te zaista uputim na pravi put, tim pre što si tako sjajan učesnik koji je napisao toliko mnogo odličnih članaka. Nadam se da ću tih takvih članaka videti i dalje. Preksutra ću raditi onaj članak na srpskoj wiki o kom smo pričali. Dodaću sve nove podatke. Pozdrav, i kuckamo se! :) --Tadija 21:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Nevidim nista lose na tim altertovima. Sta god je tu za mene, takodje je za ovog fkpa. To sto si napiso tamo je neutralno i uredu.

Sto se tice uvreda na srpskom vikiju - reko sam ti vec - moje izmene koje su bile pozitivne su bile uklonjene bez razloga. Ja sam uradio nesto iz dobre namere, da popravim stranicu. A ovaj vratio nazad na slabiju. Tu nema opravde, i treba da se taj tip ukloni sa srpske vikipedije, ili da se kazni na neki nacin. Ko sto je sam kazo, vredja ga da bude slicno ko sa engleskom verzijom... sta moze iko da odgovori na tu logiku? Nije bitno ipak, mislim da je sad tamo resen problem. Zahvaljujuci tebi nemoze vise da vraca na onu staru verziju, a nova ostaje. :) (LAz17 (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)).

Re: Round 2

I would like not to have any contact with you. Ever. Bye.--Vitriden (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for attempting to harass other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Fences&Windows 22:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have said "fuck off" to an annoying user because he was stalking me. I felt very bothered by his stalking, which is why I said what I said. I am sorry. I understand the mistake that I made and will not repeat it in the case that he stalks me in the future, or in any other similar circumstance.

Decline reason:

That whole exchange was completely unacceptable. The tone of your request and your history of blocks for this exact behavior make it seem like an unblock is a poor idea. Kuru (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

LAz17 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The nature of the circumstances that have taken place now were very different than before. Never before was somebody stalking me like this. I understand what the problem was, and I won't do it again. I would like to be unblocked, or to have my sentance reduced. I do not understand what you mean by the "tone of my request" - am I supposed to cry? Rule no.1 on wikipedia is to be bold. That I am, and I understand that it is not acceptable to say such rude things. I have understood the problem, and would fix it.

Decline reason:

"The provoker has been banned more lately than I have" is some sort of defence? You have read WP:NOTTHEM, right? Let me quote your block log: 48hrs for disruptive editing; 72hrs for edit warring on a Balkan-related article; 48hrs for attacks; another 48hrs for personal attacks against the same editor; and now this one for personal attacks for 1 week. Every single time in the past you have been advised how to better deal with this type of issue - instead, you continue to attack the other, even as you attempt to request unblock. Misplaced Pages has an escalating series of blocks - you're lucky that this one is only a week: I gurantee your next will be many multiples of that. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh for heaven's sake man... "fuck off"? I know what you're dealing with, but did you want to get blocked?? See ya in a week. :P --DIREKTOR 22:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

He was stalking me. (LAz17 (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

Well if he was, you just report him and provide links, you don't tell him to "go fuck himself" or whatever... :) You just get instantly blocked, što vidimo iz priloženoga. --DIREKTOR 01:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

When you get back, I've got an issue that you may be interested in. Foreign Relations of Kosovo (talkpage post). The article should be entitled "Foreign Relations of the Republic of Kosovo" since "Kosovo" ≠ "Republic of Kosovo", and needs a well-publicized requested move (WP:RM). Basically, the community needs to be informed about the WP:RM or it will be voted down for political reasons since most people on teh article (except Bazonka) are Albanian (which is understandable, since the article is about the foreign relations of the Albanian state in Kosovo). --DIREKTOR 02:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Bro, need your help... could you put

onto Nikola Tesla? (LAz17 (talk) 06:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Unblocking

Would you agree to an indefinite topic ban for all Balkan-related topics and articles and a restriction that you must only post in English (which you should be doing anyway)? Toddst1 (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are in other words asking me to leave wikipedia, as that is 99% of what I am doing here. Your question is not fair. I have gotten barnstars for my efforts. And you ask me to totally quit because I over-reacted to a guy stalking and annoying me? Your offer is basically an indefinite ban - why would someone take something that is worse? You offer me something that is worse. (LAz17 (talk) 03:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

No, it's just you seem to have difficulty interacting with users within the Balkan world. It's not my opinion, it's your block log. You're welcome to decline my offer. Toddst1 (talk) 04:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I do not have difficulty. Others do. I am merely the victim of nationalist aggression. This last user feels that I am a betrayer because I do not hold the same view that our hero was a nazi collaborator. (LAz17 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

I have difficulty interacting with anyone who goes about harassing and maltreating me. I am a human being, not a machine. I have received barn-stars for my edits towards the balkans. I am a good constructive contributing member to wikipedia. If someone goes up and attempts to rape your wife and kids - what would you do? Would you sit there helplessly? No, you would do something. It is called the reaction to provocation. That is what is very common in the balkans - nationalists provocating those who are neutral. It is that stalinist method of "you're with me or against me". I have trouble dealing with that- instead of helping deal with this you punish me. The guy was for crying out loud stalking me dude! (LAz17 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)). What else can you tell a guy who stalks you other than "fuck off"? I had the same problem the other day, some begger would not stop pestering me. I had no money on me and he was still harassing me. I simply kept walking and when I was near some cops I said PLEASE FUCKEN LEAVE ME ALONE, and they helped remove this trashwad away. It is common in english language to tell someone fuck off when they are simply glued to you and have the intention of harassing you. That is the case that we have here. Again, I ask, what am I supposed to do in such an unbearable situation where a person is doing just about all they can to harass you? Seriously, if someone decides to bother your wife would you just let them? That's the situation in which we are in. The dude was stalking me. My actions are an initiation to nothing - they are a consequence of harassment. (LAz17 (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

The provoker has been banned more lately than I have. vs ] That rests my case. I get into trouble sporadically when some nationalist won't stop bothering me. (LAz17 (talk) 06:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Just as curiosity, could you please be able to provide evidence and say exactly where am I "stalking you"? FkpCascais (talk) 11:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC) Also, could you please provide some evidence for you acusation that I am a "nationalist"? Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You followed me to the serbian wikipedia, looking at what others wrote on my talk page and followed my trails. (LAz17 (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Btw, I didn´t. I read your comment on another users talk page, right here on english wiki. I also have an account on Serbian wiki, so it wouldn´t be so strange, anyway... So, that was the reason of all this insults? FkpCascais (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You do everything you can to annoy me, and it all stems from the fact that you look at me as a 'betrayer of the serbs' as I know that it is a fact that Draza was a nazi-collaborator. Heh, yeah, come to some serbian churches in chicago and you will see that they have posters in them of wanted signs for draza. The good ol' chetnik chruches glorify the man's crimes. He was a hero afteral. You hate me for feeling that Draza was with the Nazis.

Your hatred on me regarding the 'betrayal' has led you to harass me as much as possible. This culminated with you following me to the serbian wikipedia. There was nothing on here that indicated precisely what was going on. I do not even have a username there. That means that you searched extra hard to track me down over there. And you did, good job, all with the purpose to tarnish my image. This is why I said FUCK OFF - had I not, probably nothing would have happened. But you were persistent. It paid off. Congratulations, nazi sympathizer, but you'll never manage to make Draza an angel... he's rotting in hell, along with everyone else from the balkans. (LAz17 (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

I really don´t care about you, but I wan´t avoid articles just because you propose some changes I disagree on them. Btw, you are the one lying about all this "betrayel story", I will repeat, I don´t want your help, neither I wanted. I am not even a 100% Serb... You still didn´t even read the talk page on what you want to participate, and you still don´t even understand what I stand for there, or you just ignore it, so you can say all this silly talk you have been saying about me.

You had your chance to apologise, now, please avoid any further contact with me, and if we get to be present on some discussion on some article, please comment on content, not on me. Please, don´t post comments ever again on my talk page either. I´ll report any further lack of respect on your behalve. Good editing (oh!, sorry, you are blocked... be cool!) FkpCascais (talk) 17:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You are a harasser, as is proven with this, Hence that award has been granted to you as of now.

Your vendetta against me has nothing to do with any moving pages - it simply has to do with me not backing you regarding the nazi collaborator fascist leader Draza.

And on all of this you stalk me. And the administration lets you get away with it, by punishing the victim. What we have now is what is known as Blaming the Victims. (LAz17 (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Yes, you´re right, that´s your best evidence of stocking by me that you´ll ever have... FkpCascais (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I never accused you of stocking. (LAz17 (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)).

Visiting hours

Sorry I couldn't come sooner, but you know that as a respected member of this community I cannot be seen to associate with the likes of you. xD

But seriously, kako stvari u zatvoru? :) --DIREKTOR 17:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Lolzers. Things are alright I guess. I have used this time wisely to contemplate how to raise hell after I come back. I plan to poke my finger into the eye of everyone who I can. Muahaha. Kidding, of course. :)

But, I sniffed out something that might be interesting - territorial subdivisions of Krajina. I suppose it might piss off people, but if the Nazi Gaue can exist, I figure why shouldn't this also exist. I'm also gonna make the page for Berkovo, something similar to Žač - though note how the population of Zac changed. Something really messed up has been going on with the census data...

I gotta oppose you on one thing though... the chetnik stuff - I think that there should be a third category on the page that says allied and axis, instead of clumping them into one or the other. I guess when one is on the middle ground one gets shit from both sides, not just one... kinda a rough position to be in. :P

So tell me, does this intrigue you at all?

You probably missed this - (LAz17 (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)).

What d'you think of Europe's new map? (LAz17 (talk) 05:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)).

lol

Meant to reply to this but I forgot. This was my reaction:

-- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 21:51, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha which ever way you wish to interpret it. Do watch the language though, I already lost my other nemesis Aradic and I can't afford to lose the one that got me my first block. The "crybabywhiners" are fuckin' with the system. -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 12:43, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

lol -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 16:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought the Serbian medal was a nice touch. The intentions for the maps were good but the outcome was terrible. Especially when the "heavenly blue" discussion came about; however I can't blame you though, Karadzic did the same. :P -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 12:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Sad when we can't even agree on colors. lol -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 21:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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You voted here on the first RM so I imagine you might be interested in the new requested move as well . Best regards. --DIREKTOR 01:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Chicagoland riots

Your Template:Chicagoland Riots does not seem to be used beyond one article (the 1919 race riots). I have created Template:Illinois riots, which replaces it. What do you think of it? Fishal (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

If you do create those articles, can I ask that you just add them to the Illinois template? It makes more sense for the unrest events of the whole state to be grouped together, and it's a template that could be more easily copied for other states if people want. Fishal (talk) 14:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Map

Sure, I'll add the new data on the map the following days. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Inline hokej

Done. I've also found some info on the internet about the ice hockey in Banovina Hrvatska. The information seems pretty OK, high style written. But - major fault of that source is that it's on the forum, not on some credible source. If you're still interested, I can post you the link. Kubura (talk) 03:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Look at this. Sr.wiki. sr:Artur Takač. "Godine 1937, u Varaždinu je sa Dragutinom Fridrihom osnovao klub za hokej na ledu u kojem je igrao beka i koji je 1940. osvojio Prvenstvo Hrvatske u hokeju na ledu i drugo mesto na Prvenstvu Jugoslavije". They gave no source for that.
It seems that that forum has vanished, but I'll check again. Kubura (talk) 01:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, here're the credible sources! . Varaždin had the champion of Croatia before Medveščak. That was in 1941. I'm not sure if this club is the successor of VŠD.
Here's the forum . Championship in 1938?? Typo?? Banovina exists since 1939. More (same source?) . Source: wikipedia?
But, that's not the forum I thought on. Kubura (talk) 01:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

BTW, as I recognize the names, it seems that Croatian national inline hockey team is mostly consisted of players from Croatian national ice hockey team. Kubura (talk) 02:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Happy now? Skender-Valuf history, feel free too check out this http://www.izbori.ba/. And stop changing the name ;) --DzWiki (talk) 16:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Er, dude, my talkpage is not the place for this issue. (LAz17 (talk) 05:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)).

Croatian ice hockey championships

Regarding your edit - I agree if you say that these were part of Yugoslav championship.
Here's the similar case. The championship of Croatia that was part of championship of Yugoslavia, which is counted together with "independent" Croatian championships.
hr:Prvenstvo Hrvatske u nogometu. That's the championship of Croatia from 1946 (Hajduk was the champion :) ). It was at the same time the qualification for federal Yugoslav championship 1946/47.
Croatian Football Federation recognises it as equal with championships of Republic of Croatia.
Therefore, the championship from 1940/41 can be counted together with others. With remark "part of Yugoslav championship".
About the ex-Yugoslav hockey league in 1980's: yes, I know, I remember when Partizan brought several Slovenian players + few foreigners (Czechoslovakia, Canada, USA). Others followed that.
About Croatian league: success in the EBEL league had a big price. Domestic players weren't playing, their development has stagnated, and Croatia has dropped out of the I. division of the world's hockey.
But, there's a hope. Some of foreign players brought to Medveščak are Canadian Croats (Andy Sertich, John Hećimović, Mike Prpich, Joel Prpich, Jadran Beljo). None of them is the candidate for Canadian national team, which automatically makes them as candidates for Croatian national team. And this year Medveščak has brought even more Cro-Canadians (Ryan Kinasewich, Jonathan Filewich, Benjamin Michael Gazdić).
About inline hockey . The game schedule . Kubura (talk) 03:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

No need for edit war.
If Croatian Ice Hockey Federation considers those championships as Croatian championships, who are we to judge it?
But, currently we're not able to see hshl.hr. Maybe Croatian Olympic Committee... Kubura (talk) 03:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: help

Could not find much data initially. (The inaugural 2008 championship was actually a tournament between four teams and not a league - perhaps Croatian Inline Hockey Championships would be a more fitting title?) I'll try to see if there is more, but I doubt it... GregorB (talk) 08:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thus far, I could only find a confirmation that the 2nd season was really played.. Not clear who won it. GregorB (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Ustaše Partizani

Daj mi reci LAzo molimte, odakle ti ovo: "Many of the Croats who joined the Partisans were former Ustashe." Ovo su gluposti prvog reda, da ne kažem izravne POV laži. Usuđujem se reći da niti jedan jedini ustaša nije prešao u partizane - smicali su ih po zarobljenju na desetke hiljada. Ali najgore je to šta ti vjerovatno dobro znaš da to nije istina. --DIREKTOR 22:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Ustaše da su prelazili u partizane? Nikad čuo. Jedinice (prisilno) unovačenih domobrana, da, ali ne ustaša. --DIREKTOR 23:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

To si ti čuo negdje sasvim obrnuto. Upravo su Srbi počeli masovno prelaziti u partizane 1944 godine. Tko ti je god to rekao uzeo je činjenice i samo ih obrnuo. Gledaj: Hrvati nisu teoretski mogli 1944. "masovno ići u partizane" jer je izmedu njih i partizana 1944. godine stojala masovna Njemačko-Sovjetska fronta. Srbija je bila sa sovjetske/partizanske strane pa je u njoj Tito mogao provest novačenje. Ukratko, Srbija je bila oslobođena 1944. te su upravo Srbi ti koji su "masovno odlazili u partizane 1944.". Hrvatska je bila okupirana i pod jakom okupacijom njemačke armijske grupe F, i ti sad imaš hrvate koji trče stalno "masovno" preko Sremskog fronta. --DIREKTOR 23:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

"Pa da, dok su nemci bili tu nije bio nijedan razlog da predju kod partizana."

Koji nijemci? Pa nijemci su itekako bili u Hrvatskoj 1944.! Dapače, više nego ikad prije.

Pitam te opet, kako su to Hrvati '44. "masovno prelazili u partizane" kad su bili na njemačkoj strani fronta?? Dok tamo u oslobođenoj Srbiji Tito masovno novači za Sremski front i Četnici prelaze za partizane... Negdje si nabasao na propagandu, i još k tome besmislenu propagandu. --DIREKTOR 00:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC) --DIREKTOR 00:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ma o čemu ti? Šta "prelazili ulazili"? Je li me to ti malo kao vučeš za nos? --DIREKTOR 04:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocked for violating restriction

You have been blocked for violating your topic ban "all edits relating to the historical demographics and cartography of Ex-Yugoslavia." among others discussed on ANI today.

I have little hope that this situation will improve as long as you are free to pursue your feuds around the ethnnicity and demographics of former Yugoslavia and Yugoslavians. I am broadening your topic ban to all articles under WP:ARBMAC to prevent further disruption. This sanction has been logged under WP:ARBMAC and can be appealed through the means described there. Toddst1 (talk) 15:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

problems involving partizan dispute

If anyone's interested in things regarding the problem with the Partisan dispute... one should look no further than at "Modern-day myths about Yugoslav history stemmed from Communist indoctrination designed to suppress nationalism. The Communist version of events during World War II was that Yugoslavia's Partisans were the sole liberators against Nazi occupation." I feel that a certain user's views go exactly along the lines of communist myths.

People, you must seek mediation on the Yugoslav Partisans page. That is absolutely necessary, to rid the page of the communist POV. (LAz17 (talk) 16:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)).

admin noticeboard

I have tried using , but it does not work. This topic, Draža Mihailović underwent extensive mediation, and Direktor's communist rhetoric was eliminated. The mediation is seen here, - we need something like that for the yugoslav partisans page. It is absolutely necessary. Perhaps I am going about initiating the mediation in the wrong way? This must be done. There is no other way to reason with a one way biased person. On mediation at least he's restrained from unnecessarily prolonging discussion- quite frankly it's the fastest way to get anything done. (LAz17 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)).

SISAK PROBLEMS

The sisak problem, is about content that has NOTHING to do with the partisans page. Why include an isolated uprising that has nothing to do with the partisans??? That is a serious problem. Yet Direktor goes about threatening me if I dare touch it. I feel that this is extreme harassment and intimidation against me. (LAz17 (talk) 16:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)).

need new article

Remember the partisan butchery of human flesh at the Bleiburg massacre? We need another article kinda related, the Prevalje forest massacre - (LAz17 (talk) 17:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)).

MEDIATION TO PREVENT COMMUNIST RHETORIC

Found the place, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation , which nobody seemed to want to help on. Now Direktor's in for a hard time once I get unbanned. Just like his propaganda got ruined in the Draza Mihajlovic topic, so too will his rhetoric be ceased here. (LAz17 (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)).

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Hi LAz, even though you seem to be blocked currently, I would like to inform you that the abovementioned article, which was created by you, does not cite any references. So, maybe you could arrange for them to be added? Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 09:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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Violation of Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC#Decorum, specifically WP:NPA "Comment on content, not the contributor." You seem unable or unwilling to abide by these restrictions, but in the hope that you may yet do so I am making this a finite sanction. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I was already punished for this. (LAz17 (talk) 23:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)).

How can you punish me for something that happened BEFORE I got unblocked??? I was already blocked for this jeeze. (LAz17 (talk) 22:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

You appear to have posted more personal attacks after your block expired. Even now, you seem to be edit warring on your talk page to include a fairly specific personal attack on another editor. I'll remove it again for you. Further usage of this talk page for any reason other than to ask questions specific to your block will lead to the page being disabled again. Thanks. Kuru (talk) 22:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Material that was on my talk page should stay there. I edited it a little to remove the offensive language - calling him a commie. (LAz17 (talk) 23:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

@"I was already punished for this." No. You were blocked on 15:23, 7 September 2010 . You posted these attacks well after you were blocked. I cannot believe nobody noticed them, your talkpage is HUGE man.
@"How can you punish me for something that happened BEFORE I got unblocked?" Obviously being blocked does not mean you're allowed to post attacks on other users on your talkpage.

--DIREKTOR 23:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong again. Kuru further blocked me for that. Now please don't visit my talkpage and stop harassing me. (LAz17 (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

The talk page may be huge - but when doing some nasty math problems involving induction at the post-calc level, other students and I complained to the professor that they were nasty and messy too... and he told us what I am going to tell you now, "that's the beauty of it." True say. (LAz17 (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)). lulz. (LAz17 (talk) 23:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

Ha, reminds me of my professor's comment on a three-day old dead fella during an autopsy (if you'll pardon the mental picture :D).

I hope there's no hard feelings man. You understand I can't just sit by while you call me a "commie" and insult people all over the place. I really am not, far from it (won't post again). --DIREKTOR 00:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

1) Your persistent postings in the topic are the same opinion that the commies have - as that quote a bit above that you wanted to remove says - the commie view is that the commies were the only ones who resisted the nazis. This view is held by many. But it is the commie view, and is not full. You support this view on the yugoslav-ww2 related issues. That is why I called you a commie. There is nothing unusual there. There is nothing wrong with being called a commie. I do not take offense at that when people call me that. If I said "person of the commie view on that issue" - would that have made things more proper?

I do not insult people all over the place. Cease your slander. Only a stubborn american can figure that a commie is an insult. I have to stop using that - I did stop using that - and I got banned after I stopped. Nice. Really nice. Congrats.

2) I do not believe that you deal with dead guys no matter what you say. I on the other hand had to touch them in the anatomy/physiology 1 lab. Nasty stuff (omfg are you gonna report me because I find that me touching dead guys all over is nasty?!- well I do find that nasty, and it was a horrible experience for me - and I do find that nasty - but omg nasty is a bad word isn't it?). Damn muscle test. I didn't do too good on that one... the bone was was better. But the muscles... ugh...

3) I do not mind you posting on my page - I have a problem with tampering with my previous edits. My mess on my page is my personal stuff. You know how when people have their mess they do not want others cleaning it up because then they do not know where what is? That's kinda how it is here. Don't tamper with my mess. But feel free to make it more hectic.

Got any good youtube stuff? :/ (LAz17 (talk) 03:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)).

So if I were to write a section on my talkpage entitled "LAZ17 IS A FASCIST SERBIAN NATIONALIST SPREADING HIS PROPAGANDA" instructing Croatian users to follow you around and revert you, you would not mind? That would be "my personal stuff"? Be honest now. --DIREKTOR 12:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

CEASE AND DESIST, DIREKTOR. STOP BAITING. Lunalet (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

LoL... --DIREKTOR 12:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I've reported Moon Unit for being a fairly obvious sock or impostor. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 13:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Ty. There's so many of those around I've stopped even caring. :P --DIREKTOR 13:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

question for admins

So I have to email to be unblocked, or to not be topic banned, or both of those? Same email or? (LAz17 (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)). Response please? (LAz17 (talk) 22:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

I would focus on having them review your block first. Kuru (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense. The same email however should be used for both things- they deal with it all? (LAz17 (talk) 23:15, 28 November 2010 (UTC)).

SPI case

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Misplaced Pages accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/LAz17. Thank you.

As you are currently blocked, you may place a note here and it will be moved to the casepage for you. N419 BH 20:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Here's my note. I am no sock. The only reason I have not appealed to be unblocked is because this is december, a month where one is swamped with course activities and such stuff. The block actually works in my favor and I am actually enjoying it.

Do tell the guy who reported some profanities for me. Clearly he has nothing better to do than to try find straws out of a haysack. Accusing me of this is basically like him saying AHA I FOUND A STRAW, but in fact he's just wrong. (LAz17 (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)).

And No such user is wrong btw. The chetnik stuff was a small portion of my edits. It has been increased as of late because of the extreme POV that Direktor has been pushing there. But he is right that much of my edits have been geographical in nature... things such as geography, sport leagues, infrastructure, etc... (LAz17 (talk) 01:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC))

I am the person who filed the SPI case, though I am not the one who found the linking evidence (the other account was created 4 hours after your last edit, and posted to your talk without any apparent prior interaction or editing overlap). It could be mere coincidence or the other account could be intentionally trying to frame you. We'll get to the bottom of it. Thanks for your note and if you have anything further to say post it here and I'll repost it at the SPI case. N419 BH 07:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps it might not be bad to check direktor... my bro doesn't like me man! So it might be him. :( (LAz17 (talk) 07:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)).

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Topic ban

Hi. I see your 3 month block has expired, but wasn't there an indef. topic ban to all ARBMAC related articles? Has this been lifted? Fainites scribs 17:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

My topic ban was specifically to anything related to any sort of ethnic maps or ethnic discussion in the former yugoslavia. Ridiculously long ya know. I am not aware of an ARBMAC ban? I didn't have any issue with those before. All my discussion there was constructive and did not cause problems. What caused problems was that the topic ban was so ridiculously broad that some pricks decided to interpret it as "any aspect of ethnicity". Please correct me if I am wrong. In the case that I am wrong I will immediately appeal this draconian measure - this ban is because some person was making BAD ethnic maps on a controversial subject - instead of being prized for my efforts at blocking POV ethnic maps I got punished. The thing however is that I do not edit much and do not have any intention of being in any lengthy discussion. So, the topic ban doesn't bother me for the time being. My recent edits have nothing to do with "maps or discussion of ethnicity". I simply added some sources that suggest that something is wrong and let them deal with it. I also begged them to have the page go through mediation, as it has been changed over the past years a ridiculous amount of times - mediation is the only way to resolve the annoying controversy that emanates from the never-ending disagreements on that page. As you can see all my edits are constructive. If you feel that you should punish me for that go ahead. But, if you believe that it is possible to solve that problem without mediation, you are dead wrong. I do not want to be part of the mediation at this time - but it is extremely necessary. (LAz17 (talk) 17:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).

It was this here. Toddst extended it to all ARBMAC related articles. Maybe Toddst can help.Fainites scribs 17:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hm, I guess you're right. I didn't get what broadened ban meant. Oh well, I had no bad intention and did no harm - but tell you what - you have the opportunity now to lobby for a multiyear ban on me. Too bad for me. (LAz17 (talk) 17:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).

You can ask for a topic ban to be lifted by going to the original admin, Toddst1, or ANI or the Committee. Using a phrase like "some pricks" is probably not a good start. Whatever route of appeal you take you will need to demonstrate that you can discuss and edit in accordance with policies. As for mediation, the Mihailovic mediation is ongoing and as I understand it they are nearing completion of a draft. I would agree that other WWII articles in this area need a lot of work. If you want to work in this area you are going to have to learn - very fast - how to communicate with those with whom you disagree without losing your temper and being offensive. Fainites scribs 18:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought I gotta email some people, that no individual user can remove a ban? (LAz17 (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).

I agree on the talking part. My initial ban came because I was going about the problem the wrong way. I just needed to get a better map - and we had one - instead I was led to believe that the other user has to agree to remove theirs, which they were not doing. Hence problems resulted. Oh well. All the other stuff is minor and stems from that. I think I'm a good user, but for at least a month or two more I am not in a position to engage in significant discussion. Though, I gotta email them, right? (LAz17 (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).

I was looking at this. Another admin like me can't lift it. You need to either go to Toddst 1, or ArbCom (e-mail I suppose), or ANI.Fainites scribs 18:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I laugh at your meek admin powers! Muahahaa. Kidding of course. :P :)

Could you give me the exact email that I should email? I think it changed before and as you see my talkpage is a disaster (so cluttered that it's just nauseating looking at it) that I hate to look for it. :( (LAz17 (talk) 19:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).

I believe it's this one; arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org If it's not - I'm sure theyll tell you which one it is. They may tell you to try Toddst1 first. Fainites scribs 20:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Toddst1 is generally skeptical and would want to know what has changed and why he should believe you. As I said previously, I have little hope that this situation will improve as long as you are free to pursue your feuds around the ethnnicity and demographics of former Yugoslavia and Yugoslavians. Toddst1 (talk) 22:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hm, Toddst, I actually do not find you to be one of the bad ones. The one who gave me the initial topic ban is the one who I find to be the bad one. The dude snapped at me for adding official census data - that is how ridiculous the topic ban was. Things that are not controversial whatsoever were banned.

I did get out of hand sometimes. I admit that. It can get frustrating sometimes. But, I've learned to be better than those who have other opinions, or to be precise, to not fall down to their level.

One of my bans was for calling a guy a commie - and it happened right after I got unbanned, for something that happened before the ban that I just got done with. I do not think that was right on your guys part, because I do not see the word commie to be an insult. But, yeah, I guess I learned the hard way not to call anyone anything good or bad - asides from the dude who gave me the initial ridiculously wide topic ban.

My initial ban was regarding some ethnic map. It was not discussing ethnicity, just the factual census stuff. This one user kept making bad maps, and I went after him aggressively. I got some of his obscene wrong things deleted and that gave me motivation to go on a campaign against him - today I feel that my actions were right, as the guy was doing bad things on purpose, but, yes, I do realize that my accusations on him did get out of hand.

I never had any feuds around ethnicity and demographics. I had feuds regarding ethnic maps. I also had feuds with the guy direktor regarding some ww2 stuff - but that stuff was of a totally different nature - currently that is under mediation and I think it's going along nicely. I tend to have good relations with direktor - asides from the part that he does not like being called a commie. Yet, that has nothing to do with ethnicity and demographics. My discussion with him has been for the most part constructive and we fell down to discussing sources - that is the current hold up with the mediation. My problem with my involvement with direktor was that I did not go for mediation. I discussed things with him too much and it got out of hand.

I am not sure if this what I wrote above is enough to demonstrate that things have changed. In general I guess that I should try to be as much to point as possible, and have as little discussion with anyone as possible that is not related to the topic itself. This way there is no reason to have any fits or stuff. If someone does not want to accept sources that are factual, then the step is not to argue with them but to bring a second or third opinion, and if that still does not convince the person then perhaps mediation will. Therefore there is no chance that I can have any problem with direktor. As for the map controversy, which is what my ban was about, there's simply no reason to fear of any problems there. What I know now, that I did not before, is that the better map wins out. Had I known that earlier, there would have been no reason for that big argument. One just shows the person why their map is wrong - if they're a hot head I should not take the bait and simply bring another opinion in, and they're out of luck. I have never had an argument over a map that is good - only maps that are appalling - and they are for the most part not on wikipedia anymore. If one shows up I can deal with it better than I have in the past.

Could I be unbanned? (LAz17 (talk) 04:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)).

Offer

I will reduce your ban to the original one (I can't undo someone else's ban) on one condition: Continued disruption relating to any WP:ARBMAC related topic or civility issues will result in an automatic indefinite block. That means unless such a block was made in error, there will be no appeal. Do you wish to strike such a deal? Toddst1 (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

That's fair from your side. I just don't get one thing - what is "ARBMAC"??? Basically the link there isn't quite clear to me. I get that I have the topic ban - but I'm still not 100% sure what this "extended ban" is supposed to be. Just please clarify that for me. (LAz17 (talk) 16:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)).

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you continue with the behaviour on article, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you.

That is the standard ARBMAC (Arbitration related to some Macedonian and other Balkan countries) warning. Still interested in accepting the deal? Toddst1 (talk) 21:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would accept the deal. There's nothing for me to lose - I gotta be really dumb to screw things up, so basically I think that you shouldn't worry.

Please just tell me the difference between the block that I had and what you gave. I don't get that. You basically blocked me from all balkan related pages, or controversial balkan pages? (LAz17 (talk) 04:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)).

Hej

Hi LAz, thank you. I hope you finally understood that we agree on a number of issues that are wrongly presented by mostly one or two editors. I am not interested in glorifiying neither demonising any of them, because, after all, I had both in my blood. But, some things need to be corrected. I will use as much sources as I can in the mediation, so a neutral perspective of the events is presented. You know the way the articles are unbalanced now, so any help is welcomed. If you find usefull sources feel free to post them in my talk page. I still need sources for the US Congress trial on Mihailovic... Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 07:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)