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Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For fixing a complex coding error in Template:Google Inc. when no one else could figure it out! - Ahunt (talk) 02:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages extended growth

Your essay Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages extended growth looks very good. I would suggest to add an introduction and a link to Misplaced Pages:Modelling Misplaced Pages's growth. As you might know I introduced the 3, 4 and 5M limit as the maximum number of articles on the english wikipedia (the logistic model). This as contrast to the belief that growth was exponential. My model was created in March 2006, THREE YEARS ago. Until this essay I have not seen new models. HenkvD (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Kudos for the work on image placement

Thanks for the effort you put into dealing with the issue of placing images when there is already a floating table. I fear that there were quite a few nights put into it. I'd given up worrying about a response after a week. I'll have to look more carefully at it when I can find the headspace. And thanks for the border + cellpadding tip. Cheers. -- spin 23:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For fixing the convert template's ft-in to cm conversion and eliminating significant conversion errors in thousands of articles, I award you this barnstar. And so should WikiProject Basketball! JN466 09:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Now, if you could do the same thing for {{convert|36|m|ft}} {{convert|37|m|ft}} {{convert|38|m|ft}}, which at the time of writing comes out as 36 metres (120 ft) 37 metres (120 ft) 38 metres (120 ft), ... JN466 09:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

getprecision bug?

When {{getprecision}} is used on a number betweeh 0 and 1, it does seem to be showing the correct precision.

• {{getprecision|0.005}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|0.09}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|0.88}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|-0.88}} → Template:Getprecision

Just wondering if you could take a look? Thanks. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Some other examples:

• {{getprecision|5.123}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|-5.123}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|0.123}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{getprecision|-0.123}} → Template:Getprecision
• {{ordomag|0.123}} → -1

The problem was {Getprecision} has used {ordomag} for amounts < 1, so I submitted an edit-request to round the amount to avoid the problem. Thanks for checking those results. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Violation of your topic ban

As you had just acknowledged yourself here that you are fully aware that your topic ban is set to expire on the 11th, your contributions to Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher starting on the 9th, here are difficult to see in any light other than yet another attempt to make a point, in particular since it would have taken nothing more than another 72 hours to avoid this situation. As a consequence, I have blocked you for 1 month, subject to ANI review. (link to follow). MLauba 08:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• Block sumbitted for review at ANI here. MLauba 08:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikid77 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have been blocked for a month, due to charges of violating a 3-month topic ban which forbid AfD participation or new-article creation about Meredith Kercher or Amanda Knox, after a period of 91 days (19+31+31+10, from June 11 to Sep. 10). Meanwhile, I had asked admin User:Amalthea for his advice on how to proceed further after this 3-month ban, in User talk:Amalthea#Expanding MoMK (this edit). This block prevents me from discussing these issues at ANI, including no access to edit "wp:ANI#Block review: User:Wikid77, violation of topic ban", which is disruptive to the process, and hence this block should be lifted. If 91 days was not considered "3 months" then I should have been warned on my talk-page, not instantly blocked for an additional 1 month. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

"Three months" is not synonymous with "90 days." Anyone over the age of eight should know that not all months are the same length. Consider whether you violated the spirit of the restriction rather than the letter anyway. There has been some suggestion that you be permanently topic banned from this area, if you can agree to that, that is probably your best way forward here. Trying to play WP:LAWYER is, in this admins opinion, very unlikely to lead to an unblock. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Wikid77 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have been blocked for a month, due to charges of violating a 3-month topic ban which forbid AfD participation or new-article creation about Meredith Kercher or Amanda Knox, after a period of 91 days (19+31+31+10, from June 11 to Sep. 10). Meanwhile, I had asked admin User:Amalthea for his advice on how to proceed further after this 3-month ban, in User talk:Amalthea#Expanding MoMK (this edit), and asking another admin for advice is not a vio of WP:CANVAS. This block prevents me from discussing these issues at ANI, including no access to edit "wp:ANI#Block review: User:Wikid77, violation of topic ban", which is disruptive to the process, and hence this block should be lifted. If 91 days was not considered "3 months" then I should have been warned on my talk-page to wait 1 day (or 2?), not instantly blocked for an additional 1 month. Please tell me when my topic ban will expire, based on this notice of topic ban, as expiring at what precise hour/minute. I'm sorry if that seems petty, but several people are extremely upset that I had waited only 91 days so far. Thank you. -Wikid77 (talk) 7:36 am, Yesterday (UTC+3)

Decline reason:

I'm not buying this 90 day nonsense either. Appeals that refuse to accept fault and blame other people really give no confidence that you will not repeat the behaviour if you are unblocked Spartaz 19:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Wikid77 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Yesterday, admin RegentsPark had resolved the "Block review" to clear my username, at ANI: "wp:ANI#Block review: User:Wikid77, violation of topic ban". However, the unblock didn't happen, and it seems admin RegentsPark did not rule on the block, just rejected the topic ban. Because of the confusion of combining a "block review" with a "proposed topic ban" (now rejected, firmly), the block issue has been left undecided. The offer was made that the block would be lifted if I agreed to accept an indef topic ban, but I agreed to a plan raising fewer suggestions for the topic article ("Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher"), and the topic-ban issue was dropped in favor of that plan. Hence, that leaves no grounds to continue the block, which was to be dropped contingent upon the topic-ban issue now settled. -Wikid77 (talk) 04:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Again with the wiki-lawyering. I suggested that you accept a topic ban. That does not mean your block and that ban are irrevocably joined, you just made that up. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

• Note to block reviewing admin:

The admin "DID NOT" at all decide on Wikid's block, only on the proposed topic ban (which is still under dispute BTW). See the admin's talkpage "I am aware of the block and have no comment on it and don't see why the topic ban thread (which is what the ANI complaint is primarily about) cannot be dealt with independently of the block.". Wikid is "again" making things up as he goes along. Very tiresome, very! TMCk (talk) 02:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikid's summary above is misleading. User:RegentsPark did not "clear" Wikid's username, he objected that consensus was not wide enough to impose a topic ban, which is another matter. It is also not clear that the idea of a topic ban is "rejected, firmly", since all other admins and univolved editors support a topic ban (although there are SPAs that support Wikid). Since a topic ban was proposed as an alternative to the current block, it does not follow from a failure to gain consensus to apply it that the block should be undone. Wikid is a very disruptive editor who has been blocked or topic banned for more than half this year in total. The current block was imposed for breaching the topic ban (a kamikaze breach IMO, since it was clearly deliberate and he must have known what the consequences would be) and for an immediate repeat of the WP:BATTLE behaviour that led to the ban he was breaching (talkpage disruption aimed at the creation of article forks). There is no sign that this behaviour will change (rather, Wikid's response is that everyone else is wrong and WP's policies are at fault), so there is no basis to unblock. --FormerIP (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

• Since you keep asking: Your ban started on June 11th, 8.50am when the ban notice was placed and expired therefore today September 11th at 8.50am. TMCk (talk) 13:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• Even by your own standards you have violated your ban. Not counting user talkpages, your first edit to the MoMK talkpage was made 07:25, September 9, 2010 here . Being unblocked just to comment at ANI is not needed (which is only done on rare occasions) as you can post your comments here and I or someone else will copy and paste it to the appropriate board of your choosing.TMCk (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
• I am confused. If you thought your ban expired on Sep 9th, why did you state more than once that it expired on Sep 11th (link above, and also the latest comment on User_talk:PhanuelB for example) and then edit on the 9th? You can hardly complain about the length of the ban if you were clearly aware of when it expired. Having said that, I have suggested you are unblocked with terms at ANI. Black Kite (t) (c) 14:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Because User:PhanuelB had been warned about inappropriate messages, I did not want him to be seen as participating in a topic-banned conversation, in case he would be viewed as violating policies on a technicality, such as 3 months being considered 92 days instead of 91 days (as it appears has been the viewpoint). My topic ban prohibited discussing Knox or Kercher at AfD, plus not creating spinoff articles, while not announcing discussions to like-minded individuals (WP:CANVAS). On September 9, at the 90-day mark, I notified people I was returning from the 3-month topic ban, but I did not join an AfD, nor create any spinoff articles, nor announce any discussions to only like-minded individuals. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The June 11 note under Topic ban and disruption final warinng says "3 months", not "90 days". I haven't seen the direct wording of the decision, but if it said "3 months", that's the 11th, not the 9th. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikid, the wording of the ban prevented you from "participating in article-creation or deletion discussions...", not just from AfD discussions. But you came back early to propose the creation of multiple new articles (, to point out that Amanda Knox has been in the news a lot (your previous argument as to why a fork should be created) (this is in the same diff), to propose that substantial new material be added to the article saying "if the article becomes too large, we can re-split into a separate article" () and to propose the creation of a new sandbox version of the existing article ().

If you were, as you seem to be implying, under the impression that your ban did not prohibit these edits because they were not happening in AfD discussions, then that raises the question of why you observed the ban for so long (ie why you didn't feel free to make the suggestions you did at any time) and why you announced on the talkpage that you were returning from a ban which had previously restrained you from making the comments you wanted to. --FormerIP (talk) 16:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I waited 91 days before discussing details of the Kercher case, because I thought 3 months = 90 days, and 91 days was even longer. -Wikid77 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

...and why you acknowledged yourself on PhanuelB's talkpage that your ban will expire on September 11th. Only after getting blocked you somehow changed your mind to reset the expiration date to your convenience.TMCk (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I was advising him not to expect discussion of details until September 11, because it was September 6 when I advised him to focus on events rather than stating a "person is-a something". -Wikid77 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

That diff is a smoking gun that shows clearly that you did in fact understand it to mean literally three months, not 90 days. So it is really in your best interest to abandon that line of argument as it has been clearly refuted with your own words. Again, your best way forward at this point is to own up to what you did and accept a permanent topic ban in this area. It will likely be forced on you anyway, so if you want out of the block that is your best choice right now. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I indicated to that user not to expect discussion of details, with him, until September 11, as a day after the ban. As you see it, I waited only 91 days not 92, and so that means I should be forced into a permanent topic ban? Do you conclude because of the technicality, of not waiting 1 more day, then I should be topic banned for all the rest of days until the end of time? -Wikid77 (talk) 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No, what you said was "Because of my topic ban, I am not allowed to discuss the specifics of the AK case (until Sept. 11)." Nowhere in that statement is there any qualification or hedging or anything about "a day after the ban". You would be better served by admitting you messed up and promising to do better in the future. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 06:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

This excitement over the difference between 3 months and 90 days is unbecoming to the community. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

A different proposal

Wikid,

I won't pretend to understand what in that particular case leads you to abandon all caution, to throw your years of otherwise productive edits on the line, or, for that matter, to provide advice to others that only leads them further down a spiral which ends badly for them.

I do however remember you suggesting to Zlykinskyja to move on to other cases of wrongful conviction. Perhaps you may want to consider following your own advice.

If you do, the following might interest you. A couple of years back, a user started uploading content from victimsofthestate.org. It is quite likely that he was the webmaster himself. However, his contributions were identified as copyrighted materials, and at that stage, he didn't receive the correct advice that would have enabled Misplaced Pages to verify that the content was his to donate if he so chose. The user left the project. As we had no way to ascertain that the material was indeed his, we later ran a WP:CCI and much of the material was removed. Much more didn't make it into Misplaced Pages in the first place.

On that site, there are currently 1234 cases of proven wrongful convictions from all over the world, and I believe many of these should be sourceable. The names, places, years and the write-up can provide with a starting point for research (Please understand that I'm not suggesting that you copy the content in order to trick you into creating copyvios, just that we're clear on that).

Face it: the Knox case is a red flag for you, and it will end up badly. If you attach so much importance to it due to a strong sense of repairing an injustice, perhaps you will be able to satisfy that sense by recounting some of those other cases waiting to be written about instead. Many of them being firmly in the past and closed, I can't see how this would lead you to controversies that have plagued your interaction with others for the past year. MLauba 21:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikid77 here. Due to my topic-ban period being considered, by some admins, to last until 11 September 2010 (at some specific hour?), I had best wait some days to explain the 20 or 30 disgruntled users upset with MoMK. I would like to see a "compromise solution" so that admins would not feel the situation is a hopeless series of bans against experts in the subject. I think the hostilities are not gone, just concealed by locking the article. You might need to consider changing your admin username, based on hostile comments I've read about you and other admins. Also, I specifically avoided articles of "wrongful convictions" because I think that was considered to be part of the topic ban, as well as NOT writing essays about such crime articles. Hence, although I appreciate the information you presented above, I think it could be considered a violation of the current wide-ranging topic ban, or someone might accuse me of "advocacy" as trying to fix 1,000 cases of "WP:WRONG" (Righting Great Wrongs). Fundamentally, the problem is "Censorship" which has plagued mankind for thousands of years, such as partially overcome by the über-famous "Recovery of Aristotle" during the Early Middle Ages, through translations of Aristotle by scholars in the Muslim world. Ultimately, I was hoping the admins would craft a broad solution for MoMK to appease the concerns of most editors. It is important to explain to people to describe a burglary event, not call a suspect a "burglar" in a Misplaced Pages article. When my topic-ban period has expired (to the hour/minute?), then I will discuss the endless months of conflict that are facing the MoMK article. Getting rid of me is a big mistake. I am not the enemy here. More about this later. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• Wikid, since the ANI thread seems to be going in that direction, will you accept an indefinite topic ban on Kercher-related subjects? If you answer in the affirmative, since the blocking admin has indicated that he agrees, I will unblock you straight away. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Please ask users to redact comments that I made a "lie" about thinking 3 months was "90 days". In the U.S. there is a U.S. Federal Calendar of 30-day months, and thus February will not be treated as a short cut to spanning a month. However, this is a lesson learned: in the future, consider bans of 30 days, not "1 month" and such. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

You yourself said it expired on the 11th. And crying "censorship" is not likely to win you any support either. From time to time, articles are besieged by a small army of editors who want to use wikipedia as a vehicle for pushing a personal agenda, to "tell the true story", or whatever; as, for example, the "birthers" constantly attacking the Barack Obama articles. That kind of thing is not wikipedia's purpose. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I indicated to that user not to expect discussion of details, with him, until September 11, as a whole day after the ban expired. I am not part of any such "small army of editors" and Misplaced Pages does not condone stereotyping everyone in that manner. -Wikid77 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Your continued debating over what the length of 3 months is, is not doing you any favors either. If they had meant "90 days" they would have said "90 days". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 06:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Getting rid of me is a big mistake. I am not the enemy here. Yet in this edit you propose going so far as to turn a small dispute into a WP:ANI issue, having "met much resistance from a few editors at the talk-page"? I would recommend that you accept Black Kite's offer, and admit that returning before 11th September really was an ill-considered move. If you found the "3 months" wording of the topic ban duration at all ambiguous, couldn't you have just asked DMacks or another administrator for clarification rather than risk a long block? SuperMarioMan 01:20, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You seem to be stating that I am the "enemy" and I should be blocked to prevent discussion of issues at ANI. What policies are you following to prevent users from joining ANI discussions? -Wikid77 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You are not being prevented from joining the ANI discussion: just as August has 31 days, it is standard policy that a blocked editor who wishes to participate in an ANI discussion about themself can create an "ANI Replies" section on their talkpage, and make their replies - then they use {{adminhelp}} to request it be copied to ANI by an admin. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 09:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

In response to Wikid: erm ... no, where have I stated that you should remain blocked? Black Kite has offered to rescind the block (I'm not talking about the topic ban, which I agree with, and which seems pretty much inevitable), and I have recommended compliance. Please read through the diff linked above, in which you write "I would like to expand the MoMK article, but have met much resistance from a few editors at the talk-page. Should this be a new issue at ANI or should we try a mediation, etc.?" Why so drastic, dare I suggest incivil, a proposal? In light of the query at Amalthea's talk page, to declare later that "I am not the enemy here" seems to me like a case of glass houses and people throwing stones when it is unadvisable. SuperMarioMan 14:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• To User:SuperMarioMan: Going through a Misplaced Pages process to resolve disputes is not an incivil action (does not violate WP:CIVIL). In the case of mediation, the opposing issues of various editors are combined to see if a joint agreement can be crafted which satisfies most of those involved. It is not incivil, but rather formalized, to follow a structured solution. -Wikid77 (talk) 20:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• Well, since WP:ANI is not actually part of the dispute resolution process on Misplaced Pages, I am at a loss as to why you would mention it in the same sentence as mediation. Returning early (yes, it was indeed too soon) from a topic ban, initiating multiple talk page discussions proposing sweeping changes to the nature of an article, and then raising the point of instigating an ANI thread upon encountering objections to the aforementioned sweeping changes, breaks the boundaries of what is acceptable. And, really, all this is side-stepping the crucial point that it is your conduct that is the subject of the continuing ANI discussion, not article content. SuperMarioMan 22:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• I for one will not be redacting/retracting/refudiating/whatever any of my previous remarks. Your quick talking dance around the actual facts does little to advance your case and much to harm it. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:BLP concerns about Knox and Sollecito

In reviewing discussions at "Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher" I have noticed concerns that the current article seems to violate WP:BLP balance. In particular:

• Even though they went to trial in January-December 2009, with sentences of 26 & 25 years, upon appealing, their convictions were overturned, and they have been granted a new trial on the evidence, as "presumed innocent" (else why have a trial of a guilty person). They should be considered "suspects" in the case, no longer convicted. Because Guede has already completed his 1st appeal, I am not sure if he can be "presumed innocent" during his 2nd appeal, which is not a full re-trial.
• Their backgrounds, as good students, should be clearly noted for significance, as often noted in news reports. Knox had attended a Prep school and was an honors student while attending the University of Washington, and has continued correspondence classes while in custody, as a college student. Sollecito completed his degree in computer engineering at Univ. of Perugia, while in custody, and has been accepted into graduate school. Such background details are as significant, to their reputations, as noting someone was working as a NASA astronaut when arrested. The point is not that the information is highly-crucial for the reader, but rather it provides a more-balanced view about each person, and has been reported in sources.
• The DNA evidence connecting either Knox or Sollecito to the crime has RFU peaks < 50, whereas the DNA samples matching Guede have RFU peaks above 300. U.S. courts typically do not allow DNA RFU below 50 to be admitted into evidence, and similar levels for British courts should also be noted (+sources), because Knox is American and Kercher was British.
• The heated disputes about the bare blood footprint on the bathmat, as matching either Guede or Sollecito, should be described in a dedicated section, because that was noted in news reports as crucial evidence in the Judge Massei Motivation report.
• The heated disputes about the partial Nike-pattern shoe print on Kercher's white bed pillow, as matching either Guede's Nike Outbreak 2 or Knox's shoe size, should be described in a dedicated section, because that was noted in news reports as crucial evidence in the Judge Massei Motivation report.
• In general, any major evidence that was disputed in linking suspects to the crime should be described, in balance as noted in sources, so that there is no hinting or inferrence that the evidence is considered solid proof if strongly contested.
• In general, major reports which contest the guilt or innocence of the subjects should also be noted, to protect the BLP balance of the article, rather than overly focus on either positive or negative aspects of their lives.
• When it comes to a conclusion of "guilty" or "not guilty" for these suspects, then neither option is an original idea, so the notion of WP:SYNTH is very restricted in this case.

More later. -Wikid77 (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for support at ANI

13-Sep-2010: I wish to offer a general note of thanks to those who wrote on rejecting the topic-ban being proposed against me (announced by MLauba above). I also thank those who issued negative remarks because it gives me an idea of how much hostility is still out there, even though I have been "gone" for 3 months from MoMK. Typically, happy people don't dwell on negatives, so it seems Talk:MoMK has retained a hostile aura, even with me gone. Perhaps a better system would have announced this ANI incident and canvassed all concerned to offer opinions within a comfortable time-frame of several days to gain more opinions, assuming some difficulting in judging all the sub-issues involved. So, anyway, I thank those who took the extra time to find my incident and reply. I have no idea when it will be decided; the prior topic ban was rushed by the original admin to be closed within 2 days "before anyone was objecting". So, having several people respond, and object already, has avoided that shortcut condemnation from being used in this case. -Wikid77 (talk) 02:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Charming. And again I perceive a bitter, "it's-not-fair", "I'm-being-censored", "there's-a-conspiracy", "they-all-have-it-in-for-me" tone to your words which, ironically, only provides further justification for an indefinite ban so that the topic is protected from similar disruption. The blind support of a group of SPA users ultimately means little here. SuperMarioMan 08:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, perhaps you should take a break from the MoMK article for a period 3 months, as I have done, to focus on numerous other articles, then we can talk again in 3 months (or 92 days), to compare notes. I am sorry that the article has upset you to this extent. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"Upset" at the article? The article, in its rewritten form, is now far more readable that it used to be, although full protection has become necessary given a suspicious influx of single-purpose accounts with various agenda. All my edits on this topic have been at the talk page. SuperMarioMan 13:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI replies #4

{{adminhelp}} Please move my last ANI reply to the END of section "Conclude this" at WP:ANI. I am still under a 1-month block, after 3 unblocks were denied, and I need to post the following ANI reply.

Please update section "wp:ANI#Block review: User:Wikid77, violation of topic ban" moving the following copy/paste text, to be appended at the end, at the bottom tail end, NOT the top, but at the very extreme final end, of the section "Conclude this" fixing the phrase "Response from from" to have 1 one "from" in the phrase:

'''''Response from Wikid77:''''' Due to my current edit-block, I have had trouble replying (by admin-edit) at specific points of this ANI discussion. I want to further clarify:
* I did apologize for posting 1 or 2 days before the end date of the prior topic ban, because based on past hostile reactions, I should have asked an admin for the exact date when in doubt about ''anything'' in the hostile area.
* I acknowledge how ''"]"'' has grown into a larger mix of intense disputes, so I will refrain from posting several major suggestions there at one time.
* Some people have imagined that I have watched the numerous MoMK disputes every day during the past 3 months, but I have been distracted by other issues for the summer, so I was unaware of many arguments among 20 new people at Talk:MoMK.
* I further pledge to reduce participation at Talk:MoMK, because finally, I understand the level of disputes which had occurred while I was gone, and now I can see how I returned "like gangbusters" in the middle of disputes I did not realize were hotly contested.
* When people said "disruptive" I was thinking ''disruptive-editing'' such as edit-wars, but finally admin ] used the word "inflamed" so I realize that I was seen as raising the level of disputes and hostility which was brewing while I was gone.
* Please remember that I have been blocked or topic-banned for 5.5 months of the past 9 months, so I have had only limited contact with MoMK editors. However, I finally understand that Talk:MoMK was already contentious enough without much input from me, so I will reduce participation due to the current conflicts between the 20-30 people already there.
* I will try to spend more time reading over those 5.5 months of Talk:MoMK while I was gone, before offering more suggestions. Again, I apologize that I came back so strong and caused alarm along with the current disputes ongoing there, which raised stress for the admins who are juggling the current disputes.
I hope you will realize how I was unaware of the numerous severe issues brewing while I was gone, but now I understand why so many people here seem filled with rage, as though I were "adding fuel to the fire" of those prior hostilities, by posting major new suggestions among numerous ongoing disputes. -Wikid77 (]) 04:04, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, fix the first phrase "Response from from" to have only 1 "from" in the phrase, and move that ANI reply to the tail end of the section "Conclude this" after time-stamp 01:36, 16 September 2010, at the bottom of that section, NOT above it.

Thank you for moving that reply within the WP:ANI page. -Wikid77 (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done  pablo 11:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

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After update, the template should simply display the template coding, rather than red parser-error lines.

Expected: {{Convert/numdisp}} gives:  {{Convert/numdisp/a{{{?}}}|{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}}}

Currently: {{Convert/numdisp}} gives:  Template:Convert/numdisp

Expected: {{Convert/numdisp|2+1/3}} gives:  Template:Convert/numdisp

Currently: {{Convert/numdisp|2+1/3}} gives:  Template:Convert/numdisp

Inserting parameter {?} should stop the red errors, while having no effect on a calculated conversion, in any article, because of using <noinclude> tags. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

wikilawyering

I see people have accused you of wikilawyering. Yet some of those accusations have wikilawyering themselves.

The best course of action is to act like a model Wikipedian. I do not know exactly if you have or haven't but try to start. Be the better man (or woman).

I know nothing of you except your interest in Amanda Knox. I am puzzled why the resistance to an article for her. If it is because they want Misplaced Pages to be upright and proper, I understand. However, there are lots of articles about less famous murderers and lots of articles about popular stuff, like video games. Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Location map 100x100

Template:Location map 100x100 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 02:49, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:BELIEFS

A long time ago you were part of the discussion on the WP:BELIEFS proposal. I went away for a while and I am trying to come back slowly, so I thought I would start with updating that page and reactivating the conversation. Please join in if you still would like to be part of that discussion. Low Sea (talk) 20:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

File permission

• File:Gary Kildall older style.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can you explain how it came to be that you came across this official photo and decided it was cc? Magog the Ogre (talk) 05:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC) thumb|right|185px|Generic male figure adapted from Replace_this_image_male.svg.

• I had painted that image (not one pixel matches the original), based on a photo that I had seen; however, as I understand now, it is not acceptable to paint images, similar to the original, to avoid copyright concerns. At this point, I have replaced that image with a "male-outline" figure, until another image can be approved. Do you know a document which explains how to paint an image, with sufficient variation, so as to not "appear" to be a copy. I have had formal art-drawing lessons, so I was taught to create images very close to the original, but now, one man's "Realism" is another man's plagiarism. Perhaps if I drew an image from a different angle, then that would be acceptable. Thanks for letting me know about that image, because I did not realize someone had moved it into Commons without notifying me. -Wikid77 (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
  • The aim here is to create a genuinely free (libre) encyclopaedia; not to plagiarise others' works, and then try to cover it up (quite literally in this case it seems). —Sladen (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
    • AGF. Rich Farmbrough, 17:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC).
      

The document you may be looking for is Commons:COM:DW. If unsure, you might try asking at Commons:Commons talk:Licensing. Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Followup: do you think it's still a legit image? I'm thinking no - and actually a better link is Commons:COM:CB#Drawings based on photographs. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Template transclusion

I have had these problems in the past, although I believe the limit was 8, when working on string reversing templates. What are you currently trying to achieve? I may be able to help. Rich Farmbrough, 17:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC).

• There has been much frustration when using {Convert} inside complex infoboxes, which nest other templates plus if-else logic nested over 8-to-11 levels deep. Meanwhile, we are "putting Convert on an anorexia diet" to remove as many levels of nesting as possible, because Convert reached 30-deep nesting for some engineering measurements, in their infoboxes. I am trimming Template:Precision to less nesting. Fortunately, User:Plastikspork changed {{Documentation}} to remove 3? levels of nesting. Hence, we *ALL* want to raise the MediaWiki nesting/transclusion depth limit to 100 (or at least 60) to allow infoboxers to nest if-elses, a whole bunch, while then using the most elaborate features of Convert for 2-part or 3-part conversions. Plus, imagine the near future: someone uses a great infobox, with nested if-else to validate parameters, then includes one of those curved maps (with the Russian user's sine/cosine transforms to bend latitude-longitude lines), and then hey, let's use Convert (in the map caption) to give the km/miles distance from Moscow to Anchorage, under the map, in the infobox, PLUS put all that in a doc-page example of using curved maps in the great infobox. For older mainstream computers, that would be no problem, but MediaWiki currently cannot nest if-else beyond 40(!) levels deep. That needs to be raised ASAP. I cannot imagine there is a real efficiency issue that thwarts use of 50 or 60, or even 100 nested if-else expressions. This is not excessive: it is the real world when expert engineers start displaying technical polar maps plus measurements. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

  I suspect I only reduced the {{documentation}} template by 1 level, but I am looking to do a bit more. By the way, Rich is currently blocked, and historically doesn't have a watch list, so you may want to ping him. Plastikspork _―Œ 03:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I have a similar situation (I believe) with {weather box} which displays fine on the documentation page, but not on the documentation page on the template page. I'm actually fine with 40 levels of nesting, if we had string parser functions for almost everything - convert is an interesting case and one which is not without its philosophical problems, and might even be better served by a tool-server based bot. Rich Farmbrough, 14:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC).

The bug is at Template:Bug Rich Farmbrough, 15:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC).

Convert/numdisp

I detected a very minor error (spurious newline), so I rolled back the change to the template. As far as I can tell, it should be an easy fix, just sprinkle in some comment tags around the newlines in one of the subtemplates, but I wasn't able to see it immediately. I swapped the order of the columns in your table to show the problem. Thanks and ping me if you want me to try again. Plastikspork _―Œ 03:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Location map polarx

Do we still need {{Location map polarx}}? New features were added to {{Location map}} awhile ago, which makes this work. As far as I could tell, it was only being used in Canadian NWT articles, which were dramatically simplified with this new feature, since they support {{Location map}} templates. If you think we can get rid of it, I will nominate it for deletion. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 07:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

• I am not yet familiar with all new features of {Location map}, but there were many planned uses for {Location map polarx}, which can place markers, quickly, on sections of maps, not just evenly curved maps. It is relatively simple to use, as it does not require knowledge of sine/cosine transforms. Also {Location map polarx} provides a precedent in Misplaced Pages, showing when curved maps were first supported, as a stepping stone to other possible types of maps. Also, it provides evidence of impact of the January-2008 update to the MediaWiki parser, as a milestone in better support for templates. So, I think there is more potential for using {Location map polarx} in future work, still. -Wikid77 (talk) 20:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Meters per day and feet per day

Wikid, Please look at Template talk:Convert#Meters per day and feet per day and Template talk:Convert#New use for "disp=/" below that. Peter Horn User talk 18:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Masai Mara

I'm not sure what happened causing your edits to be undone, but looking at the history, what I thought was a simple edit to fix a reference (removing two characters) seems to have "reverted" your edits just prior to that. It was NOT intentional, and I apologize for the extra work caused. Donlammers (talk) 13:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

How-to vs. Essay

Hi Wikid77. The Misplaced Pages How-to template recently was expanded to include a sort-by= parameter, which allows using the template only to categorize the page instead of the template and a separate category tag. I started going through the Category:Misplaced Pages how-to listings to update the Misplaced Pages How-to template on each page and came across your efforts categorized both as essays and how-tos. Misplaced Pages essays include comments and advice and Misplaced Pages how-tos include instructions. Misplaced Pages How-to essays ‎are more in the line of advise on how to balance NPOV, how to get along with others, etc. Several of the essays you posted seem more in line with Category:Misplaced Pages how-to and Category:Misplaced Pages how-to proposals than Misplaced Pages essays. I think Misplaced Pages how-to carries more weight and I revised one of your postings, Misplaced Pages:Advanced Convert coding, to be a Misplaced Pages how-to. I figured that, before I go and mess up the rest of your good work, I'd better get your input. If you don't like what I did to Misplaced Pages:Advanced Convert coding, I would be happy to change it back and leave the rest of your essay categorization alone. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Another three way conversion

Wikid77, Please see Template talk:Convert#Another three way conversion. Peter Horn User talk 17:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:Xsign again

Thank you for your help in the past on this template. There seems to have been some regression ()? The 32; bits are back instead of raw spaces. Best regards, –xeno 21:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have a plan "#Xsign needs space-savvy username substring" (below), to fix these problems of inserting &#32 in usernames containing spaces. -Wikid77 15:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Xsign needs space-savvy username substring

03-Dec-2010: Here is a plan. The main problem is insertion of &#32 in usernames with spaces ("UserX of Blanks"), due to Template:Xsign using {{str_right}} to extract the username. User:Patrick has a new {{strr}} (from 01Sep10) to act like {str_right} but contain real spaces. That leads to a plan:

• STEP 1: Change {Xsign} to use {strr} or an equivalent space-savvy substring template.
• STEP 2: Update {strr} and each of its cascading templates to have separate {Documentation} /doc subpage (to hold interwiki links when the real-blanks concept goes global).
• STEP 3: Protect all those templates, with the rationale that they are cascading from a high-use template. NOTE: Every string-function template, unprotected this year, WAS hacked ("vandalized"), and most were re-protected. Hence, the rampant-change fear (that good code was reverted) is valid: in October/November 2010, many string templates were hacked to break.

I think that gives a workable plan to "stop this crap". Many people would not expect &#32 to be inserted, especially since {str_left} gives real spaces, while {str_right} does not. Using {str_len} counts each hidden &#32:

• {str_right|1234 UserX of Blanks|5} → "UserX of Blanks" (actually: UserX&#32;of&#32;Blanks)
• {strr |1234 UserX of Blanks|5}       → "UserX of Blanks" (with 2 real blanks)
• {str len |{strr |1234 UserX of Blanks|4}} → 15   (omits the lead blank)
• {str len|{str_right|1234 UserX of Blanks|4}} → 15   (counts 3 blanks, each with length 5, &#32;)

Thanks for letting me know the problem still existed. I did not remember much about this, due to severe "mind-fry" from translating German Wikisource pages (and new {{Wikisource_German}}). I did not realize so many string templates had been un-protected during 2010, only to find ("Golly gosh darn!"), they were ALL totally botched when unprotected. Note that those &#32 spaces do not occur in the Xsign date/time, only in usernames with spaces, so you can determine the priority of making changes to the templates. We must act on the realization that 95% of "vanduhlism" (not a personal-attack word) comes from IP addresses; we must change policies to pre-protect templates (before they are hacked) to ease people's fear that Misplaced Pages is unreliable info-mush. -Wikid77 (talk) 15:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hi Wikid77. Do you edit using any other account names? pablo 22:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• I did in the past, on the MoMK article, but that was considered a form of improper WP:Sockpuppet, so I only use "Wikid77" now. The catch-22 problem with the 2nd username was, when correcting the postings of the prior username then I used the prior username, in an attempt to avoid violating the rule against tampering with postings by "another username" but that violated the sock-puppet rule about not using 2 usernames, mixed, in a single discussion. It was a catch-22: either way I violated a rule, so logically, there was no way to switch usernames and keep the older messages accurate. The policy needs to be fixed to allow that. If you want to use a 2nd username, in a single discussion, then double-check your older messages to fix typos first, before announcing a new identity to move forward. Of course, these are only suggestions, please re-read WP:Sockpuppet, and feel free to make your own decisions in these matters. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with this, I just spotted another editor whose style is very similar to yours and wondered whether it was a legitimate alternative account.  pablo 00:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Wikid77/AK

User:Wikid77/AK, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Wikid77/AK and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Wikid77/AK during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. SuperMarioMan 23:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Proxying

Hi Wikid, I note that PhanuelB is asking you to copy screeds of information across to other user's pages. Whilst there is some leeway here (for example, there was no problem with copying across his !vote on the MfDs - they were after all his userpages), by copying such material to multiple pages you would effectively be proxying for him. If he wishes to contact other editors he can always email them to ask them to glance at his page - he has not been blocked with email disabled. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 10:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• And I've just noticed this - "Text about "police" in general does not seem to be an issue for WP:BLP which applies to named living persons. Proof must be submitted that those police are not deceased now.". No - if there is no evidence to the contrary, you must assume that they are alive - see WP:BDP. Seriously Wikid, if you're going to give advice to Phanuel, it really must be correct - is it any wonder he doesn't understand how BLP works? Having said that, the only advice you should be giving him at the moment is how to appeal his unblock; that's the purpose of access to a talkpage when blocked. Black Kite (t) (c) 18:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

PhanuelB was trying to initiate an arbitration, based on the sandbox contents and other related texts, for fear that an unblock would be denied and not be granted (after all the prior denials). However, I don't think he realizes that repeating claims of "false allegations" is similar to standing on streetcorners and repeatedly claiming, "The girl killed her roommate in Perugia". Is there some essay or project page which explains how "due process" in Misplaced Pages advises to file complaints, rather than keep repeating claims on every page? No hurry on this. Thanks for sacrificing the time to respond to all the other issues. Amanda Knox has been shown on the U.S. major network TV news for 2 weekends, so that is why thousands of people have come to Misplaced Pages this month. -Wikid77 (talk) 22:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Just a quick reply before I head for the pub :) It depends what you mean by arbitration. If Phanuel wants ArbCom to look at his block, he either needs to email the link given previously. There is a separate process (WP:BASC) but that is for banned users, rather than blocked ones. If he wants to raise an arbitration case about the Knox/Kercher situation then the place for that is WP:RFAR. Obviously, he can't raise a case himself because he's blocked; the best thing to do, again, would be to contact the Committee to explain the situation. I'm guessing they'd probably look at his block first before the wider situation, though. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:MoMK

Hi - I've revdeleted your addition to the talkpage for the time being because I'm a bit concerned about its BLP aspects (per Guede). Have you a reliable source for any of this (apart from the "censored Micheli report" which of course we can't verify)? If you have I'll quite happily put it back. Black Kite (t) (c) 03:49, 27 December 2010

• Oops. I figured I should have linked the source: "Tribunale di Perugia, sentenza del 28 ottobre 2008 - Penale.it", Dr. Paolo Micheli, Penale.it, web: Micheli-J: at text "Ribadiva poi di aver toccato più o meno dappertutto nella stanza, anche con le mani sporche di sangue, senza tuttavia spiegare come mai una sua impronta si trovasse proprio sul cuscino sotto il cadavere, quando egli ricordava il cuscino regolarmente sopra il letto, dove si trovavano anche la giacca e la borsa che la ragazza aveva posato rientrando in casa." -Wikid77 (talk) 04:21, revised 04:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, no problem, it's always best to link a source though even for the least contentious of things on this article :) Black Kite (t) (c) 06:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Reviewing Template:Automatic taxobox

Wikid77, could you review the code for Template:Automatic taxobox? The template will eventually be used on hundreds of thousands of wikipedia articles. It has been in development for the past few months. However, it has a few squirrely aspects still remaining. Due to the high impact of the template, it should be reviewed extensively by someone with good template coding skills. Xeno recommends I ask you and User:Patrick (who has this almost identical post/request on his user talk page). Requests have been placed for input, but no feedback has been gotten as of yet, possibly due to the Western holidays. The template does require a thorough review by knowledgeable editors prior to full roll out. Thanks, --Kleopatra (talk) 18:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have begun reading the internal coding of Template:Automatic taxobox, which seems like the start of being an infobox wizard to generate parameters for Template:Taxobox. There might be extensive extra processing required to generate the classification hierarchy of each higher level of omitted parent taxon. For typical template documentation (in a /doc subpage), all parameters of the template should be listed in a table of parameter names, with a short description of each parameter. -Wikid77 (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm a little lost in the world of templates. I do know that the type of errors that have occurred with the use of these automatic taxonomy templates indicate that there are problems in the underlying code. There is a discussion here about problems. Thanks for looking at this, it really does need examined by editors with expertise in templates and coding. --Kleopatra (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Archived 2011

I archived 31 topics of 2011 in /Archive_6. -Wikid77 17:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Convert/hand

I made the updates and stepped down the protection to semi, since there are only 25 transclusions, and it could be helpful for development. If the number of transclusions dramatically increases, or if there are some other issues, we can always go back to full protection. Thanks for working on it. Plastikspork _―Œ 00:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I rolled back the last change, since it was causing a template loop with spans like {{convert|115|–|135|cm|hand|1|abbr=in}}. Since I also stepped down the protection level, you should be able to work on the issue directly. Thanks again! Plastikspork _―Œ 01:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Request

...for you to please strike or remove your post on ErrantX's talk page. I think you may have really misunderstood why he deleted that image. Check the section just below it to see the floorplan that was used at trial modified to have the names for the rooms and it has broken glass on it. I believe he was deleting yours to prevent confusion for having two competing diagrams and because people seem to be getting closer to a consensus on this. I realize that you put a lot of hard work into the diagram that you developed and that it was hard-fought to get it included and you should be commended for a job well done.

I don't believe Errant is being difficult or combative at all. I would implore you for the sake of peace and collegiality to reserve those comments and join in the newer discussion(s) on the talk page concerning the diagram(s). I think you may have misread the situation and I wouldn't want it to cause an unnecessary stir. Please consider. Thank you,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 19:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Replied on my talk

I replied to your message the other day... but I also just added another reply. I kinda shrugged my shoulders at you last time (I think, a somewhat understandable reaction) but on reflection it was not the right approach. You are on the right track, IMO, but sort of meandering off of it now and again :) --Errant 21:29, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Kercher single bed pillow by Italian police.jpg

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Orphaned non-free image File:Kercher bra clasp by Italian police.jpg

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Orphaned non-free image File:Kercher room labels by Italian police.jpg

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Murder of Meredith Kercher

Category:Murder of Meredith Kercher, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 23:33, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Please don't

You shouldn't archive a discussion you have taken part in. --John (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Kasauli

Thanks for the technical adjustments on this one. The article is in the middle of the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2011 and I can only get on the case for a couple of hours each day. Lots of it will be rewritten and removed, but if you have any more technical tweaks please feel free. If you would like to join the drive - click the link. Acabashi (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Knox Article

I don't know if you're still working on a biographical article on Knox, but this article would help a lot.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/06/amanda.knox.profile/index.html?hpt=C2

LedRush (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the link. -Wikid77 10:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

A request

Hi, I wanted to link this comment of yours on my userpage as an outstanding example of rhetorical repetition on Misplaced Pages. Please could you let me know if it would be OK with you for me to do so?

Many thanks --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

• To consider that remark as "rhetorical repetition" would be false, and thus perhaps misleading, information. Instead, it could be labeled as a example of a likely response when some people repeatedly ignore the policy about gaining prior consensus before deleting images (or sections of text from an article). BTW, that image will need to be re-added to the article, as free content preferable to fair-use display of a non-free image. The deletion of that image was not only a violation of WP:Consensus but hurt the collection of free information being written by Wikipedians. Anyway, search Google (it reported 6,800) for other Do-Not-Delete warnings, by searching: site:en.wikipedia.org "do not delete". Thanks for that question: it is interesting to see how many thousands of users post do-not-delete warnings on Misplaced Pages. -Wikid77 10:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

This was one of the results on the first page of that search for me. Possibly not an image of similar import. Thanks, I've added the diff link with a quote of your comment above and a link here so that it's not open to misinterpretation. If this is not OK, please let me know. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The text you added is incorrect and makes me uncomfortable. I am an administrator certainly, but have only ever interacted with Wikid77 as an editor. --Errant 19:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

New Convert/spell

Hello Wikid
I left a request at the bottom of Template talk:Convert#New Convert/spell shows amount in words. Thanks Peter Horn User talk 19:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/DeltaQuad 2

Your very first RfA !vote was objective and well researched. It's the kind of participation at RfA that the community appreciates and encourages. It's a shame it was posted after closure. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Great Teacher Onizuka

I've reverted your edit to Great Teacher Onizuka for a number of reasons. First is that you included two unreliable sources in the article. But worst of all, one of these sources is to a website that engage in copyright violations of the original creator's work. Second, you are referencing the exact same information over and over again. Information only needs to be referenced once in the body of the article. A summary of the information in the lead and infobox should not be referenced again. And third, you linked a number of plain English words that readers will already understand. This is something that should be avoided. Since the remainder of your edit was arbitrary spacing changes, it wasn't necessary to preserve them. —Farix (t | c) 11:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Hi. Just for your information, it takes even an experienced user, even an admin, who has voted on !00+ RfA anything up to one hour to properly reearch, examine, and asses an RfA candidate before casting a vote. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Request

Wikid, if you are going to insist on treating other users' talk pages as platforms to call certain editors "hostile", "rude" and "hateful", or to drop hints that they should be blocked, I would respectfully recommend that you at least attempt to be a little more subtle about it. In future (as I seem to recall suggesting more than once before), would you perhaps be willing to restrict the content of such messages so that they simply serve to convey useful information to other users, and avoid the temptation to grandstand about others' alleged faults with unsubstantiated remarks? Comments of this nature are becoming increasingly tedious. In particular, I would appreciate some clarification and explanation as to how I am "hostile" and (as you would certainly seem to be implying here) deserve to be blocked. Better still, would you perhaps be willing to strike through or otherwise retract this part of the comment? Many thanks in advance. SuperMarioMan 13:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I really do not think there is anything I could say to help you understand that deleting carefully-sourced text, without any prior discussion, or even the slightest, most far distant remote attempt to even, possibly maybe ever, listen to someone else's opinion for a few microseconds, before you just do whatever you want, whenever you want... enough said. That is why I think people are upset with you. You do the math. -Wikid77 02:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous

Your recent comment is extremely objectionable on several grounds, and I believe that you know what they are. Such indirect disparagement of other editors (and this is by no means the first) has the distinction of being cowardly as well as offensive. Well done; you have truly excelled yourself. pablo 23:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Not just cowardly and offensive, but highly destructive to the possibility of your ever being taken seriously on the article. Why did you do this? --John (talk) 23:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I realize that both of you are disturbed, by some unknown frustrations, but Misplaced Pages has a policy of "no personal attacks" (see WP:NPA). That policy page was written by grown ups, and it means that negative, insulting words (such as "cowardly") should not be written as describing particular editors. It is clear, now, that you have a hard time understanding policies and other things, so perhaps ask some other people what the text in WP:NPA means. I do not have time to explain stuff to you, right now, but I will try to find ways for you to understand, when I have more time. Maybe you would be happier working on simpler articles, until you are able to learn more about hard subjects. Also, see the articles on "Blindness" and "Mental retardation" before trying to read the guideline WP:ACCESS. -Wikid77 02:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)