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Santorum

A search for santorum on an actual porn site returns 0 hits. It should be removed from the template. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:33, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

That a few videos titled "Santorum" might now be added to the site should not change the obvious fact that the neologism is not in use as a word. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

A word that is actually in use will be found to be in use among naive users of the language, not just in isolated instances divorced from ordinary use. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose removal from the template. Original Research performed by Fred Bauder (talk · contribs) does not trump secondary sources identifying this term as a form of Sexual slang. The term should remain in the template. Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • In his 2009 book And Then There's This: How Stories Live and Die in Viral Culture, author Bill Wasik identified the term as a form of sexual slang, noting, "his surname was turned into a sexual slang word" — cite: Wasik, Bill (2009). And Then There's This: How Stories Live and Die in Viral Culture. Viking Adult. p. 80. ISBN 0670020842. — secondary sources identify the term as sexual slang, and we go by those sources, not by the WP:NOR performed by Fred Bauder (talk · contribs). Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support It doesn't have the real-world currency of the other terms. Three appearances in print – representing its actual use as a slang word, divorced from the political campaign that spawned it – as opposed to millions of bona-fide uses of the other terms here – don't warrant inclusion. --JN466 19:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Santorum isn't often used casually but it is cited, and the template's bar appears to be pretty low. Binksternet (talk) 19:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per Binksternet, Sadads (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose How does one define "sexual slang", and how do the other words that appear on this template make or not make the cut? That Santorum (neologism) is sexual slang is established; you cannot have something removed from the Misplaced Pages just because you don't like it being there. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 19:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose CNN, for one, calls it a sexual neologism. --NeilN 21:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose -- the rationale for removal is curious: pornographic web sites are not the only places one would expect to find sexual slang, and there's no conclusion to draw from a Misplaced Pages editor's inspection of one such site. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. If you want to argue that santorum is not sexual slang, then that article's talk page is the place to do it. However, I would not suggest recycling your totally flawed technique to quantify santorum's use; that article has many more reliable sources than a single pornographic website that use and attest to the use of santorum as a sexual slang term, from books by sociologists to peer-reviewed sexological journals. Quigley (talk) 21:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per sources cited by other editors here. Gamaliel (talk) 22:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - Forum shopping - here, Template talk:Political neologisms and wikien-l - David Gerard (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Support - not a widely used term in the general population. →StaniStani  01:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - How often is hogging used in the general population? Mandarin Chinese profanity? Stunt cock? If we are going to use the standard of "use in the general population" then most of the terms in the template would have to be removed. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 02:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose this is becoming a ridiculous politically motivated crusade across the entire project to belittle one article. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
  • You're warm. The complaint is about use of Misplaced Pages for political purposes. The word is not part of English vocabulary, other than for political purposes. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Never mind that the word has been recognized as a part of English vocabulary, as several of the reference citations prove. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 19:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose due to reasons outlined above, especially forum shopping. Henrymrx (t·c) 16:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose, for the same reasons as everyone else. Prioryman (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose as per NeilN, for the general public, CNN is probably a more reputable source than a porn site, a single porn site at that. --Death by fugue (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• Comment. Is there another, perhaps more common, term for this substance? / edg ☺ ☭ 11:29, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

No, which is why a term was coined for it and why that term has come into use. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 13:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support removal it's not even a neologism anymore as it approaches 10 years old without any hint it is getting more popular except on Misplaced Pages. It's a word fading in usage relevancy. The spat that generated the contest might be noteworthy but not the word. Not a dictionary. --DHeyward (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
• weakly support removal It seems that this term is not that frequently used. The relevant notion isn't that relevant to many sex acts (as demonstrated by the fact that it wasn't even a defined term until a few years ago). I am however uncomfortable strongly supporting removal since the apparent inclusion for this template is very broad, and as a term, its existence is described in more reliable sources than many of these other terms (for example, there are apparently many fewer sources for "rusty trombone"). Does someone want to make a general set of criteria for what should or should not be on this template? If we do that, it may be easier to figure out if this should be included. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose this discussion could be considered evidence of usage. Pjefts (talk) 05:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
  • That argument has no ground when people try to push in AfDs for keeping articles about words they made up. I could easily make up a new slang term and add it to the template. A discussion ensuing would not be a reason to keep to it in the template. JoshuaZ (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
    • All words are made up by someone: most of the terms in the template are made up words. Is it your assertion they should also be removed? And the fact is, Santorum (neologism) is on the list and has been for some time; the argument that must be made is why it should be removed, not why it should be retained. As for deleting the article, it has been challenged -- several times -- and it has always been found to be sufficiently notable and sufficiently well documented to merit inclusion. "I don't like it" is not a valid argument. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 17:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
      • The point is that having a discussion about something is not a useful argument to include the term. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
• Support removal. The term is not in use independently of the campaign to spread it. SlimVirgin 18:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
• Fucking Sanity Support; who are you trying to kid? There exists ZERO human beings who have ever used "santorum" to designate what the word is pretending to designate without the intent of making an attack on Santorum . That the word may be in "use" as part of a concerted attack on Santorum is pretty much undisputable (and may well deserve an article). Calling it "sexual slang" is an outright lie: it's not slang, it's not used for its literal fake meaning, and it is not used in a sexual context. — Coren  15:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Not justifiable

In fact, that vote above is nonsensical. I'm removing this egregious BLP violation from the template now, and until someone puts forth a single source discussing the use of "santorum" as sexual slang outside the context of the constructued attack on Santorum.

I'm trying really, really hard to keep assuming good faith that the editors who argue for keeping this in the template are not doing so in other to misuse Misplaced Pages as a weapon against a living person (regardless of how deserving that person may be of scorn and vilification). This is far from trivial given how poor the increasingly unjustifiable rationalizations tend to get to keep that attack a part of Misplaced Pages tend to get.

Regardless, no amount of consensus overrides WP:BLP. — Coren  16:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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