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I appreciate your effort to add material such as Hind bint Awf, despite the AfD the article is fascinating looking back to expand the historical context in which Muhammed lived. Keep up the good work. I hope you add much more info to it over time, there are many questions about her and her life which the article raises right now and I can't wait to find out answers... Georgewilliamherbert 04:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Please check your WP:NA entry

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Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BDAbramson T 04:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

I wanted to congratulate you for the administratorship above. Do you check your email? Salam PTW 03:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Moved from my main page

Dear Brother Striver: I can understand how you feel. Sometimes you need to take a break. I like your name Striver better than Hurted. I say to you wa la yu7zinuka el-lathina .... and do not be saddened by those people who... and also remember Imam Kathem (AS), Imam Ali bin al-Hussein (AS), Imam Hussein (AS) and Imam Hasan stories.

That is all coming from Qur'anic "wal-Kathimeen al-GhayDh."

I think the best way to ban bigotry is to be nicer to them as Imam Hasan(AS) did. Maybe you know the story but I will remind you of it. There was a shami guy who went to Medina after Hajj at the time of Mu'awiya rule and when he knew that Imam Hasan is who he is he started cussing on Imam Ali as Muawiyah taught those people. So Imam Hasan told him if we have hurt you, tell me how can I console you. And if not, then if you are hungry we can feed you and if you are sleepy we can offer you a bed. The man was astonished and eventually guided and his words became a proverb. After this treatment he used to say:"God knows best where he put his message." As followers of the gaurdians of the message, we should strive to present a good example even in the most hectic times as we were ordered by Imam Sadeq (AS). I know you are one of the great Ahl-ul-Bayt followers, may God help you present a good model of them too.

Do you have an email address? Wassalam Akhi 129. 00:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Links on Muslim

It is a bad precedent to begin (assuming it hasn't already begun, and if it has, its bad to continue). See the Jew article. There is a link to List of Jews that includes a link to all those respective articles you want to link. Perhaps consider creating one for Muslim professions and link that one article from the Muslim article. Like create List of Muslims or something, and insert those links there. Similarly, on the Islam page, we don't like, nor should we, to Islamic marriage, Islamic economics, Islamic science, Islamic banking, ad infinitium.

Personally, I really don't think lists really do much unless more information is provided. Categories do that same job, and are more efficient and effective. Something like, List of Presidents of the United States would be an effective list because it provides more information that just a basic list. Pepsidrinka 02:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Muslim politicians

Zoe has listed your page, Muslim politicians, for afd. Thought you might want to know. KI 04:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Muslim athletes

I know you are upset about the above-mentioned AfD, in the sense that it appears to wipe out the entire Muslim-related lists. However, nomination of other religion lists in response to this appears to be a disruption of Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point, which is strongly frowned upon by other editors. There may be a few editors, that may even be compelled to vote delete (selectively to only the original nominations) on such a basis.

Your reasoning by itself has been heard by other editors, and the discussion is heading towards a consensus to keep these articles. So may I kindly ask you to withdraw the additional nominations you have made, and allow the AfD to run its natural course. Thank you. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 13:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC) :)

AfD Comment

+Laugh and smile+! I wasnt planing on Islamic shopping, i dont see how that would whould have potential of becoming a long article. But it fits in Adab or maybe in Married life in the Qur'an and the Sunnah :)

I become anoyed since we already had Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Muslim athletes, and while we where talking about it in Talk:List of Muslims/Proposed Organization A, you just go and afd what we where talking about. This forces me to spend 1 or 2 houres to quikly make a article so it wont be deleted. Now its 3:15 AM, i have not sleept and i did not give a friend some information about 9/11, just because of this. And i dont appreciate it.

I know you mean well, just consider talking a bit more on talk pages. Also, i know that its not your fault, but i have a nasty allergic reactions to afd's, since User:Zora is stalking me and afd'ing everything here superinteligent intelect fails to grasb. Or she just delets my contributions since i have "Shi'a pov" and i "munge" articles with my "sub-standard prose" and that i generaly suck and should be "hospitalized". And if non of that works, she tries to orphan them by deleting all links to the article. argh.... She drives me nuts, and that is why im so easy to irritate....

Apologize accepted, i look forward to our continued talk on Talk:List of Muslims/Proposed Organization A :)

And i apologize for being dense and anoying :)

--Striver 02:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

First off, with your permission, I want to move this off the AfD. It is irrelevant to the discussion and just serves to extend the AfD longer than it needs to be. We weren't talking about this on Talk:List of Muslims/Proposed Organization A. joturner 02:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

OpenIslampedia

Salams/Greetings,

As a member of the Misplaced Pages community who has contributed to articles related to Islam, I thought you might be interested in a project I am trying to get going: OpenIslampedia. Please visit the site for more information.

While it is permissible to re-use content from Misplaced Pages (as long as it is cited appropriately and released under their GNU Free Documentation License), it is my hope that we will be able to develop new content for OpenIslampedia, more in accordance to the needs and desires of our community and audience.

Interested? Please consider joining us! As you probably know from working in Misplaced Pages, every contribution counts, no matter how small.

Ulises Ali Mejias

(UlisesAli 16:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC))

Muhammad Cartoons image

Hi Striver, you seem to have difficulty reading the talk page of Muhammad cartoons, so I'll just explain that everyone who responded to your question about why the image was removed said that the reason is that it is now included in the Opinions on the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy article, where all such opinions go. Niether this image] nor this one can go in the main article, because the main article no longer includes opinions. Cheers! Babajobu 17:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Appreciation interrupted

Hi Striver. I was going to thank you for your contributions, but then I just read in page that you hate me. Is there something in particular that I have done?DanielDemaret 18:39, 22 February 2006 (UTC) , or is "I hate you" directed to everyone that reads your page?

I just realized that perhaps it was someone else, and not you that wrote "I hate you" on your page. I am very sorry for the misunderstanding. So let me get back to saying that even if I mostly argue against your cases, what you write is intelligent and very interesting. DanielDemaret 19:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool

Så fint att vi bägge kan konversera på ett språk som bara någon procent här förstår :) Jag har frågor till dig, men det kan ta lång tid för mig att formulera, så bli inte förvånad ifall jag återkommer efter en tid till dig :) DanielDemaret 19:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Fråga om "Intent"

Jo, det var det där med "Further, what does the intention of the original user matter?" som jag tyckte lät intressant. Om jag ställer denna frågan: Anser du att det inte spelar någon roll ifall Fleming Rose hade för avsikt att förolämpa? Och om så är fallet: Vem menar du skall tolka ifall det var en förolämpning? DanielDemaret 19:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Bara så du vet. Jag har ställt frågan om "Intent" även till Chaos. Nämner det ifall ni två ville prata ihop er om ett bra svar. DanielDemaret 17:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Nishan-e-Hayder

Bro view the two links below

http://www.pafcombat.com/misc/gallantry-awards.htm

http://www.geocities.com/salman4paf/Operational_Awards.html

Zaidi 17:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin

Du frågad visst ifall jag var en "admin", och jag svarade aldrig för jag såg bara frågan nu. Svar, nej. Jag vill inte vara en "admin" just nu. Har annat att stå i. DanielDemaret 19:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

9/11

How do you propose the September 11 article be changed. I have read through most of the talk page, yet could you please provide me with exactly you want it to say. Put it on a sandbox or a subpage so that others may review your changes, rather than changing the main article. Pepsidrinka 02:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up on the second AfD. Improvement necessary but can come over time, deletion still a bad idea... Georgewilliamherbert 21:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Problem Reaction Solution

Hello. You have deleted, without comment, the deletion tag for Problem Reaction Solution. This article has already been deleted once (Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_23#Problem-Reaction-Solution). You may want to comment on this to prevent this article being deleted again. Best regards, Sandstein 08:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Haydar

Striver, It seems there is goup of guys who got really angry when they see Haydar-e-l-Karrar and they are bringing all names of Haydar to put in the page. Although it looks like they wuld also want to bring every Ali name and make the Ali page a disambig page, I do not want to get their low level of revert wars. So I made it a seperate page.Peace 129. 22:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC) TPW 22:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Even if this article were are true name article, your edits would be inappropriate, IMHO. As it stands, it is a disambiguation page which happens to give the Arabic spelling of the name. Your efforts would be better spent in finding the many Haydars for which Misplaced Pages does not yet have articles and adding them to the page, rather than forking Ali. Physchim62 (talk) 10:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for experimenting with Misplaced Pages. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Jersey Devil 11:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

store

• Misplaced Pages:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits
• Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Conspiracies Guild

User:Kaimiddleton, User:Bov, User:Ombudsman, User:Zen-master, User:EyesAllMine, User:Adam Adler.

snowball's chance in hell

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Striver&dbname=enwiki

to do

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/02/27/usat-pollresults.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Strategic_Defense_Initiative&curid=62670&diff=41539543&oldid=41482431

George F. Kennan Award

{{Category:Sahaba}}

Striver, you've been using the category page as a template and I want to know your reasoning. I personally think it's needless since the opening paragraph usually mentions that the person is a sahaba. Using templates also create more server load and is harder on the servers. You should discuss these thigns before you go off and do them. I moved teh category to the bottom on Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr before I had seen you doing it many places... I'm not going to change the others now but I just want you to talk with others... if they agree then that'd be good.

I don't exactly know what happened with your leaving and all but... I hope you're doing well. In any case reading your writing recently, it seems your English has improved a fair amount :) So, that's a good thing about Misplaced Pages, no? Okay, have a good day. gren グレン 16:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

But you added that to the style guide... did anyone concur? My problem is that many articles says "XXXXX was a member of the sahaba" in the first sentence... and using the category to say that as well just makes it redundant since they'd get the same information from the first sentence. It just seems like it goes against most other style guides and it doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

By accuracy I mean that not all Sahaba were Muslims... I forget his name off hand... but the uncle that always protected Muhammad never converted... and wasn't he a Sahaba? gren グレン 16:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay... well, the category Sahaba would be very complicated... you can remove the accuracy if you want... because, with the difference in Sunni / Shia belief it gets too complex. (My Sunni teacher was talking about my example...) To the Shia, all Sahaba were Muslims? I do disagree with using the Sahaba thing... but I won't revert them... it does seem to me that in time they will get removed... but... make sure you put ] at the bottom and not at the top with {{Category:Sahaba}}. Since the category definitely belongs with the other categories at the bottom. Sound good? gren グレン 16:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Another problem is... I was just thinking of adding text to Category:Sahaba that would say "some of these Sahaba are only Sunni and others only Shia. Some are believed by the Shia to be Muslims while the Sunni believe that they were not. It is not conclusively known either way but they are considered Sahaba by some major group." -- which would show up on all of the Sahaba pages... which is not so good. gren グレン 16:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't remove the category... that's necessary. Just put it at the bottom with the other categories. gren グレン 19:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Danish humour

"People hardly ever make use of the freedom they have. For example, the freedom of thought. Instead they demand freedom of speech as a compensation." Søren Kierkegaard DanielDemaret 17:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 8% for major edits and 77% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 23:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Vote solicitation

Hello, it's come to my attention you're requesting votes on people's talk pages for some articles that are on AFD. There was a complaint about it so I just wanted to let you know there is a guideline regarding that on WP:SPAM (subsection link:here). This is a guideline and not a policy so you may personally disagree with it, and that is ok, I just wanted to make sure you were at least aware of it. If you have any questions feel free to ask on my talk page. :D - cohesion★talk 00:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. May i ask what complaints? I did not send out messages at random, rather to people i know hade voted in similar cases. Thanks again and peace. --Striver 00:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I just wanted to mention the guideline, I looked at your contributions, and I don't really think you solicited very many people so, personally, I don't see a problem. See you around :D - cohesion★talk 01:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy factualist

Your article has been listed for deletion; please add your comments to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Conspiracy factualist. The concern is clearly that this is a newly invented term with insufficient cultural currency to merit an article, so please see if you can prove otherwise. Postdlf 03:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for keeping an eye on all those articles for everybody. Just remember to relax a bit if you need to. What you are doing seems like it might be a bit stressful. SkeenaR 05:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The Energizer Bunny

Dude, you crack me up with your take-no-prisoners battle-on-multiple-fronts approach. Thank you for being one of my favorite Misplaced Pages users. I once nominated User:SkeenaR for being King of Conspiracy Spotters. I now make my second nomination, and dub you "The Energizer Bunny." Peace to you my friend. Morton devonshire 10:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah babe, you really make my toes curl. MortonsSockpuppet 10:44, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

AFD

No problem! I left a vote on The Citizens' Commission on 9-11, but unfortunately could not decide one way or the other on Problem Reaction Solution... GregorB 20:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

To make a long story short: your argument won. My vote is keep; see the AfD page for my rationale.

Unfortunately, the odds are stacked against the article as it is. In case it doesn't survive the AfD, and you'd like to try again, here's some advice:

1. Cut down on Icke. This puts people off (myself included). That lengthy quote of his is highly POV, as it is focused more on his views than on the term itself, and is as such more of a liability than an asset.
2. Cut down the quotes in general.
3. Make an article shorter and more to the point. Simply cut things out if necessary. Less material for detractors to pick on.
4. Acknowledge that this is mainly conspiracy theorists' stuff. Because - let's face it - it is. And what of it? This doesn't say they're right, nor does it say they're wrong.

Try it: I can't guarantee it will succeed, but you'll see the difference. Cheers... GregorB 21:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocking policy

I am close to just blocking you for disruption. I would of course put it up for review. I may just invoke WP:IAR and do it. You POV pushing agenda and constant creation of completely non notable articles and the trolling incessant commentary in some discussion pages, where you go on and on about the same tired nonsense are in no way helping this project. I am an admistrator and with that in mind, I am held to a higher standard, but I do tire of POV pushers and those with disruptive behaviors. I'm going to think this over and I am hoping that should you continue to behave the way you have, then you should expect what may come next. I would review our blocking policy especially the section at the top of the page after you click this link . Respectfully, --MONGO 22:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoo, Scary!!! SkeenaR 05:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

LOL! --Striver 05:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Judging from MONGO's criticisms and tendency to favor certain types of deletions, it might be said that calling Striver a pov-pusher is an example of the teapot calling the kettle black, and it borders on being an ad hominem fallacy; likewise, the trolling remark. Relentless efforts to delete content can become quite distracting to the objective of actually building an encyclopedia. Comments about blocking seem out of line here, especially since MONGO seems to have become involved in attempts to delete Striver's good faith contributions. Hopefully, MONGO will tone down the charged rhetoric after thinking things over a little more carefully. Ombudsman 08:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

New articles

I think at least some of the subjects you've chosen to make new articles on probably do deserve coverage, but they're awfully sloppy - stubs stretched out to articles by making skeletal outlines, and rife with spelling errors. You know you're under closer scrutiny now - you'd do better to work on an article in a word processor, get it to a decent length with plenty of references and/or citations, spellcheck it, and then submit it only then. Schizombie 23:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

This has gone beyond simple POV edits and is now vandalism you have been asked nicely several times by admins and users to stop your edits and reverts claiming "vandalism" when no vandalism has occured. You have also removed speedy delete tags with the intention to prevent speedy deletions and in one case you used profanity when talking to a member violating Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks .

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Jersey Devil 01:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

More blocking threats

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Jersey Devil 01:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

some advice ...

Please take a moment to reconsider your userpage. It escapes being a personal attack only by not naming names, and a casual observer can readily tell who you mean. It's inappropriate, and it's not helping you.

I'm not taking any side in your dispute with other users here. I just don't think your userpage is constructive. I've voted Keep in most of the AfD's in re. your articles, and don't have any opinion on your disputes with other users, except to say that they shouldn't be happening, and that you can help that by not using your userpage as a platform in this dispute.

Thanks :)

— User:Adrian/zap2.js 02:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to keep Misplaced Pages civil! For grace in the face of a request that I probably should have worded better + other adverse circumstances, I award you this hideous teacup, so that you'll always have tea & sympathy on Misplaced Pages :)

— User:Adrian/zap2.js 02:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Three revert rule violation

Please stop reverting Cynthia McKinney. You have violated the three revert rule. Any further reversions will subject you to being blocked. --rogerd 03:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

No i have not! Its the 3RR, not the 2RR.--Striver 03:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I counted first second third, but I didn't plan on enforcing it until another revert was done. --rogerd 03:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then i guess "You have violated the three revert rule" was a unfortunate way of saying "watch out, or you might tviolated the three revert rule". --Striver 03:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You are right, it is not enforced until the 4th reversion. I hope that you and the other parties could resolve this peacefully. Thanks --rogerd 03:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Acctualy, i see no dispute in the first place. Have a good day, and peace! --Striver 03:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages's three revert rule policy does not mean you are entitled to 3 reverts per day, but you are certainly blocakable if you exceed this. regardless, edit summaries that clearly show you are gaming the policy are enough reasons to block you for 3RR for 24 hours. This is, of course, small potatoes to the disruption you are engaging in in numerous areas. I have blocked you for 24 hours to allow you to reassess your intent and the value of your contributions.--MONGO 08:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• • How is Striver gaming the policy when he reverted three times today, and then stopped? It's not three article changes per day, it's three reverts, and Striver only made three reverts after the counter-edits started. And the policy outright says that you aren't supposed to block someone if you participate in the editing on that article that day... You're supposed to go to ANI. Striver certainly isn't a spammer or vandalizer, this is a content dispute. Complex and evolving across many articles, but content dispute (perhaps WP:POINT but mostly content, I think). Calling what he did gaming the 3RR rule is assuming bad faith. Georgewilliamherbert 10:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• • • More than one revert over a content dispute is too many, but my reading of that edit summary is somewhat less clear than yours. There are a lot of policies & guidelines here that lend themselves to technicalities and vagaries of reading, but WP:AGF is not one of them. Nothing is lost by assuming the best of your fellow editors. I'm confident that you yourself acted out of a genuine belief that User:Striver was gaming WP:3RR, and I hope you'll remain open to alternative interpretations.

— User:Adrian/zap2.js 12:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and just for the record, my third revert was also acompanied by some edits, it was not only a revert:

And also, do note that i was aware of people wanting to nail me for something, so i did write that it was my last revert on my edit summary.

And one last thing: Do not forget that rogerd, a admin, cleared my of any accusations of violating 3RR rule. Only after MONGO realized that i was cleared of charges that he decided to take matters in his own hand, overthought rogerd's decision and unilaterally came and blocked me. And also, do note that MONGO has not substantiated his charge of me "gaming the rules", just doing two reverts, and one last revert in order to add more sectioning is not "gaming the rules" in my book. Maybe doing exactly 3 reverts per day in a week on the same article would be "gaming the rules".

As i view it, MONGO just wanted to block me for any reason, he even threatened to ignore all rules and just block me outright. But he found an excuse to block me without taking the maters to some non-involved admin. And i belive it is dangerous if we let admins who are highly involved in maters to block people on dubious grounds, even breaking some rules in the process, like not being involved in a revert war when blocking for 3RR, specially when there even wasn't any 3RR violation to begin with!

An i also belive it is a bad development when other admins let him get away with this. If the other admins truly belived i deserved to be blocked, they should have unblocked me, reprehended or admonished MONGO for a his actions, and then have blocked me on a vaild ground.

As is now, i am being blocked for something i am inocent of, and the other admins are allowing it. I view that as a threat to Wikipedias integrity. --Striver 01:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, im still blocked

Striver (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (for the links to check what is going on) Cynthia_McKinney (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

MONGO, you should'nt have blocked me. You abused your admin priviliges, and i will do my best to see that you will lose them.

What is really bad, is that after blocking me a 08:59, 27, you went on and AFD'd my guild at 09:22, 27, 23 minutes later, devoiding me of any venue to defend my guild, wich is a carbon copy of my other succesfull guild, from your bad faith nomination, as well as locking me out of several AFD's you and your lynch mob is personaly involved in.

If you imidiatly unblock me and apologise, i will forgive but not forget. Persist in this bad faith admin abuse, and i will do my best to see you losing them. --Striver 14:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The project is an attack page as clearly shown in the project discussion page...this is not what a wikiProject is supposed to be about. It is the only article that you have written that I nominated for deletion. Your block is only 24 hours and the Project will be up for a vote of deletion for at least a week so you'll have ample opportunity to "defend" it once your block expires. I won't remove the block and it is under scrutiny now as I write this over at AN/I if you care to have a look. I am hoping that you return with a different attitude towards me and towards others you have been in disagreement with. I am not going to threaten you, but I have gotten numerous editors that have contacted me in my talk page and in email that want to file arbitratiuon against you...this is something I do not want to to do as I know you have been around awhile and have a lot of edits, most of which I am sure are decent. I'm hoping that when your block ends, everyone will have cooled off and you won't be facing arbcom.--MONGO 15:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Bro, you dont get me, i am thinking about filing a arbitration against you. As for the user comment section in the conspiration Guild, its a mirror Copy of the one in the Muslim Guild. --Striver 15:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

brother striver do not waste ur time in idiot project like this there is many sites need u like al-islam.org and answering-ansar.org so go there and work as hard as u can may Allah bless u akhi time is gold --82.194.62.22 17:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you bro, i appreciate it. (Yeah, i know: "so what? its just a suck pupet").

For anyone following this: i cant defend myself here.

--Striver 17:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

For the record: this is NOT my suckpupet, i dont know that IP, i have never seen it before as far as i know, i dont know that person, no, in no way am i linked to that. --Striver 17:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Striver is right -- that's another Shi'a entirely, one who seems to be under the delusion that I'm a Salafi. Zora 21:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Threatening people with wiki-action is probably the least effective way ever to get unblocked. Editorial disputes don't have to be a conflict, and if you feel you're being attacked, you don't have to respond in kind. I *do* understand why you feel singled out, but you're *not* helping yourself. The best thing you can do is take a deep breath and measure your words.

— User:Adrian/zap2.js 20:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your comment to Striver, but I too have been wondering if taking this to Arb wasn't going to be necessary, on several levels and directions. Mongo is responding civilly, but I believe they have been wrong and at bent WP admin policy regarding blocks, though Striver isn't innocent in all of this. Several bad things are happening on several levels, from the AfD's which started the whole frufru ending with the questionable block by an admin who'd been reverting him, certainly including Striver's pushing and activism as bad things.

I think that it's going to be resolvable short of that drastic an action, especially since the key "high level" people against Striver are civil and levelheaded admins who are listening to reasonable discussion and feedback and responding appropriately. But Striver's not off base thinking that it may be necessary in the end. I think he's likely to get some sanctions if it comes to that and Arbcom agrees to take the case, but I don't think he'd be the only one. Georgewilliamherbert 21:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Huh, wondered why I haven't seen your name on my watchlist lately. First, I believe none of the AFD's will expire before tommorow, so this was as good a time as any for a 24-hour block if the intent was for cooling off. I toyed with the idea of proposing a 7-day block on creation of articles to encourage you to improve your existing ones, but that may be outside the abilities of the site. In light of the fact that you had several articles being afd'd and were still expending your effort creating stubs rather than shoring up and defending your work except on the talk pages, it's not unreasonable that your motives were suspect. After all, due to the process, you had five days of airtime for your articles regardless of the outcome of the afd and you seemed hell-bent on creating more. Note what User:Schizombie is doing for the Bowman page and take a note from him. He's trying to shore up the article, and both of us are actively researching the man (him to credit, me to discredit). Nonetheless, we're going back and forth about the article and good research is being done.--Mmx1 04:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:Assume Good Faith

Been following some of Striver's article creations and his interactions on the 9/11 Conspiracy theories and similar pages. What I've noticed is that Stiver is an energetic advocate for his positions, engaged on multiple fronts. Yes, he strays into POV-land often, but not because he's trying to deliberately mislead anyone -- it's born from his perspective. Stiver and I are on opposite ends of most political debates, and I have voted for deletion of several of his articles, but his voice is valuable here. Sometimes when someone gets the notice of one administrator, a kind of piling-on occurs, often with the subsequent commentators jumping in with little or no information. To an outsider, it looks like that's what's been going on here. The guy is not perfect, but he's valuable nonetheless because he represents an obviously non-Western editing perspective. I implore you to grant him some grace and ease up, despite his infractions here. We are all learning here. Thanks. Morton devonshire 21:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

POV?

I repeatdly get the accusation of bein pov, extrem pov, pov warrior and such. What i NEVER get is a example of how i am pov. Eith i am not a pov writer, and the people claiming so are not correct in their statements, or they do not bother to show me where i am pov i order to stop that behavior. Right now, i belive the former to be the more accurate theis.--Striver 00:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Ref. You said it yourself. Please see WP:NPOV. TKE 22:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Georgewilliamherbert

I want to show my appreciation to Georgewilliamherbert. Although he does not agree with my point of view regarding what is refered to "conspriacy theoris", he shares my view of how i am being treated. I can't express in words how much i appreciate his long defence of me at Administrators' noticeboard. THANKS! --Striver 00:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Is Striver POV?

I vigurosly dipute the claim of me writing pov. It has become a rallying cry that "Striver is a blatant POV violator". If that is the case, prove it! Show WHERE i am pov, give a quote, anyting.--Striver 00:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

You are pushing a POV - namely one that the official story of 9-11 is wrong. You admit it's a minority view, though you claim a significant minority view. Your actions since the 22nd have been to push articles of marginal worth to prop up the significance of that minority. Q.E.D. --Mmx1 04:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, great, another one calling me POV pusher withouth giving me a single quote as proof.

What you are reffering to is nothing more than causal editing on a subject that i have intrest in. Is a Christian POV pushing when creating or editing articles on Christianity? Is a Jew POV pushing when editing or creating a article about Jewism? I am POV pushing meearly on the account of editing and creating? Give me a Offical Wikipeida policiy that states one is POV pushing when creating or editing articles one is intrested in. Of course, you cant, so dont give me that crap. --Striver 09:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Please remain civil. For a little monologuing on how to be biased while on the outside appearing to be balanced check out this little rant I came up with after one too many beers. Have you ever accidentally done something that could be seen that way? Weregerbil 09:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. What you gave me was intresting, but in no way a official, or even a inofficial wikipedia policy. It was nothing more than a User page. And further, the user page gave the correct antidode, either to balance by adding a equal among of the other side, or triming it down. However, it it didnt even sugest that the article was POV. And specialy absolutly nothing about AFD'ing the whole article. Again, can i have concrete proof o my editing being pov? I dont want to hear opinons, i want examples. --Striver 09:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed that rant is not anyone's official policy. Just like it explicitly states on the very first line of text... Good thing that we are both clear on that.

As to bias, please see WP:NPOVUW: To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute. ... views held only by a tiny minority of people should not be represented as though they are significant minority views, and perhaps should not be represented at all. That is official policy, by the way. Giving undue weight to the opinions of a small group of people gives the reader of an article a false understanding of matters. When writing about a journalist you somehow manage to spend a disproportionate amount of time on 9/11 conspiracy theories, with no evidence that those theories indeed are the major focus of the journalist's career. Other things are dismissed with a one liner, and there is a collection of conspiracy links at the bottom of the article. Leaves the reader with the false impression that the journalist is primarily a conspiracy nut.

What concerns me is that you display no sign of understanding (or admitting?) how an article can be thoroughly biased that way. Weregerbil 11:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

You missed to quote this part:

None of this, however, is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views. There is no size limit to Misplaced Pages. But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth.

This clearly says that the AFD'ing of article about 9/11 truthmovements such the citizens commsion, scholars for 9/11 Truth and the Problem Reaction Solution articles are just plain wrong. let me again quote that official policy

None of this, however, is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views. There is no size limit to Misplaced Pages. But even on such pages, though a view is spelled out possibly in great detail, we still make sure that the view is not represented as the truth.

Ill repeat myself: Its just plain wrong to delete articles such as S9/11T.

As for jornalists, could you give a practial example, so that we know what we are talking about?

I dont understand how i write POV, and its not that i understan and deny it, i just dont get what you mean.

From my point of view, you just dont like the views, reject them, feel outraged that anyone can have them, and blindly delete, AFD or censor anyting even remotly related to the subject. The only thing you accept is to shuving everything in some article that gives minimal attention to the proponets of the subject, you just cant stand to have the proponets to have their own biography, or having events related to it represented, or having the terms explained in detail.

I view that as nothing more than hatemongering, censure, and yes, i would even go so far as sayin bigotry. I refuse to see the opinion of a significant minority being delete on those gruonds. And you cant stand me defending their Misplaced Pages given right to exist:

as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views. There is no size limit to Misplaced Pages.

And when you are confronted with someone determined to make sure they get "as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views", you call me with empty rallying cries such as me being POV, dont POINT, soapboxing or anything else you can come up with.

That is my view of it, i dont view it that way because i enjoy conflict, i hate the stress this gives me. But if i have to chose between having the whole lynch mob against me, and having my views censored, then i put up a fight.

I still do not see how i am POV, i am very familiar with the policy you quoted. It says that a insignicant minorities view should not be given undue space, but have you read how a insignicant minority is defined? Mu view does not mach that definitoin, my view maches the definition of a "significant" minority, actualy even a majority in countries where i came from.

"Believe news reports that Arabs carried out Sept. 11 attacks:

Pakistan: True: 4%,Not true: 86%

Total: True: 18%,Not true: 61%

I look forward to your anwer. Peace--Striver 12:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Please let me quote the bit you quoted thrice for a fourth time:

None of this, however, is to say that tiny-minority views cannot receive as much attention as we can possibly give them on pages specifically devoted to those views.

Here is a an article obstensibly about a journalist that somehow manages to focus on conspiracy theories that the article's author coincidentally appears to have strong opinions about. According IMDB he has (co-)written ten movies / TV shows, (co-)produced eight, (co-)edited two, appeared in four, plus writings (not enumerated on IMDB so I don't know how many). Somehow in the article the brightest spotlight by far falls on selected bits about a 9/11 conspiracy book. Other things are mentioned, but the greatest focus is on the article author's pet bias. On a page that is not specifically devoted to those views. You don't see how this might be construed as somewhat biased?

This is in answer to your questions about why your edits can be seen as biased. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to answer your question. I don't really know how to answer to you so that you won't try to turn the answer into an argument. I'm not trying to discuss your AfD's, I'm trying to explain how a superficially factual article can be biased and misleading by focusing on some particular biased detail. I'm at a loss as how to answer your question more clearly. Weregerbil 13:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Im sorry of being a bit defensiv. Its just that i feel im attack at all fronts, many times withtout proper reason, and that gives me a urge to defend myself all over the place.

Thank you for coping with me, and giving a concrete answer.

Ok, to the issue. When i created the article, my main aim was to give a biography to a person notable in a minority group. For example, look at Oolong in order to see a "person" that is notable to a minority.

I stated by adding what was known to him here .... (i got to go, ill finish this when i get back)

Striver, just so you know, consensus does not dictate truth. 99 percent of the world could believe that the 9/11 attack was perpetrated by the American government or that the WTC was demolished by internal explosives, but they'd still be wrong. Certainly I'm biased, I'm biased to err on the side of truth and logic. GreatGatsby 17:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

MONGO

As for calling someone by their usename ...well what are usernames for if you can't alert people on talkpages...? If you keep making threats against me MONGO (a dishonourable way of trying to put people off editing this page) I will go for arbitration with you about that AND this article.- User:max rspct,

--Striver 01:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm the editor Striver was cussing out and I've continually butted head with him over his edits to Islam-related articles. That said, I think Mongo was unfair to Striver in imposing the ban. Striver hadn't broken the 3RR rule yet and there is no explicit rule against creating a flood of articles supporting one's position -- though I wish there were. Mongo should have recused himself, as he seems to have been protecting HIS edits against Striver's conspiracy theories. -Zora

--Striver 01:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Aaron

Another example of how they just AFD anything i touched, just because i touched it:

I would not have renominated this so soon had the first nomination resulted in a "keep" consensus, but with no consensus at all, I couldn't come up with any logical reason not to give it another go, where presumably a somewhat different group of editors would participate in the debate. (For the record, I did not participate in the original nomination, and indeed was unaware it had even taken place until I read the articles talk page a few hours ago.) -User:Aaron

Wait... you < bang head > didn't look < bang head > at the talk page < bang head > before you AfD'ed it? -User:Georgewilliamherbert

That is not what I said; you're misreading my statement. All I meant was that I had not been following this article at all until a few hours before I made this nomination -Aaron

Jersey Devil

nn writer and part of User:Striver's WP:POINT. The user himself has several majority delete afd's and has attacked other contributing wikipedians. An Admin is already looking to block the user from editting wikipedia. -Jersey Devil

Is this an AfD nomination? 'cos your nom explores the article author significantly more than it explores the article. Adrian-

You keep mentioning WP:POINT, and I'm not seeing it. What is the point Striver is trying to make by disrupting Misplaced Pages? It seems to me he is trying to get some information out there, but that's not disruption. He may be violating WP:SOAP, or wrong, deluded, POV, who knows, but not in violation of WP:POINT. -Rodii

--Striver 01:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The recent spate of 9/11 AfDs that you have been bringing to my attention

Thanks for bringing them to my attention, and thanks for remaining civil during them. Your opponents seem to saying you should be blocked etc, and to me this is not assuming good faith, which is a great shame. If you have any other AfDs you want me to take a look at, please keep contacting me via my Talk page.

However, I would warn you that I will not (and indeed have not) support all of your keeps. my thoughts on AfDs can be found here; in a nutshell, I care very much for the deletion policy and very little for anything else. If you still feel, having read the policy, that your articles are worth adding to Misplaced Pages, then if I agree with you will gladly vote keep in any AfD against them. However, I will not vote keep for th sake of it. I hope this is satisfactory to you. Batmanand | Talk 14:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

In terms of the POV dispute you are having over at the 9/11 article, I think I disagree with you. There is a whole section and subarticle about conspiracy theories to do with 9/11. The article, to me, reads as fairly balanced. It acknowledges there are other opinions, and gives them a sub-article. What precisely is your concern? Batmanand | Talk 15:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand why you think that your assertions should go in the main article when there is a sub-article. The article itself should stick to the main POV, unless and until someone can provide verifiable evidence that the Bin Laden story is false. At the moment, the "9/11 truth movement" POV seems to be asserting a lot. Now that is fine, but that should go in a sub-article. Just because a lot of people believe something does not mean it should go in the main article. A case in point is the Moon landing article and its Apollo moon landing hoax accusations sub-article. Why is the 9/11 case any different? Batmanand | Talk 15:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, in the interests of informed decision-making, I have just re-read the whole of WP:NPOV. Secondly, thank you quoting policy in your arguments. It not only makes them more forceful, but also gets my attention! But onto the actual dispute.

The real issue here is whether a significant-enough minority of people, in the USA or the world at large (or both) contest the Bin Laden theory, such that the opposite view should be moved from the sub-article to the main 9/11 article. If you reject the use of the Moon landings as an example, may I propose two more: Age of the Earth and Age of the Universe. In both cases, a siginificant number of people - both in the US and even more in the world at large - dispute the facts presented in the articles. The salient thing to note about both is as follows: both acknowledge that there are other POVs, and may discuss them briefly (although note that both are shortish articles - as such in an article of the length of the 9/11 one it is probably best to put pretty much all the discussion in the sub-article, for the sake of brevity). But none of them give real credence to these views. Why? Because the prevailing academic, evidence-based and (I hate to say this but in the cases of the two Ages articles it is true) educated view is that the Earth/Universe is very old indeed. As I said, unless you can come up with substantive evidence from a good number of reputable academics (not just a small handful, and not an opinion poll), in the case of an academic dispute (which this, ultimately, is) the view of the majority of serious academics (that Bin Laden) did it should be put in the main article, and the views of the small minority of serious academics should be put in the sub-article. Batmanand | Talk 16:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Update headings on AFD

Hi,

When you add a heading into the middle of an AFD discussion, please use a level 4 heading or lower (e.g. ====Update====), to avoid breaking the outline of the main page. Thanks! Stifle 16:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Restoring userpage history

Greetings Striver. As per your request on your current userpage, I have restored the edit history for your former userpage. It doesn't affect your current design, but now you should be able to access all of the old stuff. Regards, --Fire Star 03:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

Just a heads up... five articles you have contributed to significantly are up for deletion. joturner 22:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Mosques and graves

An article you started, Mosques and graves, has been proposed for deletion. Please see the article for details. NickelShoe 23:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Striver

I've read your contributions on Jimbo Wales's talk page. While I don't believe what you say about 9-11, your view should be given entry. I am not muslim or Middle eastern, so I suppose it is harder for me to believe what you say. By the way your English is quite good. I hope the rest of your Misplaced Pages expieriences work better for you.Cameron Nedland 23:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I don't speak any Arabic/Persian/Turkish...Say, what is your native languge? All I know is some Spanish and English as my native tongue.Cameron Nedland 00:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Haydar

Please contribute to the discussion on the talk page of this article before reverting it again. Physchim62 (talk) 12:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Islamic athletics

Hi Striver! The article at Islamic athletics is an interesting subject and looks like it could be on the way to being quite informative. However, I think the topic of the article woudl be clearer if it were moved to Athletics in Islam/Athletics and Islam or something like that. Out of interest, is there any particular reason the "heavyweight boxing" is mentioned as having restrictions due to the harm without reason? I would have thought that the same could be said of boxing, regardless of the weight division. JPD (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Badr

Congratulations on this achieving Featured Article status. Dlyons493 Talk 21:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Another AFD

I think that this may interest you: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gatekeeper (politics). Thanks, HK 06:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• I nominated an article that you created, Bible und Muhammed, for deletion. If you think that the article is salvageable, or that I'm mistaken, please comment on its deletion page. Please see the Guide to deletion if you have any questions about Misplaced Pages's deletion process. -- ~~~~ Sandstein 11:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Striver about the Shi'a Guild, is there no way that it can be merged into the Muslim guild? There aren't many members and it would be good if we all work together. So I want to hear from you before I can vote. --a.n.o.n.y.m 17:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Well I think that you are right that some attention might be lost over the Shi'a pages but as long as we have the Shi'a editors I don't think that it will. :) Alsoif some people are stalking you then that is against Misplaced Pages policy and they can be blocked for it so I hope that they are warned. And Afd's which aren't checked will fail so don't worry. --a.n.o.n.y.m 17:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Start Here, I think

I think, re: the stalking, you start Here, to let the admins investigate first... but I'm not 100% on that.--Irishpunktom\ 18:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)