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#'''Support''' Lots of attempted consensus building and restraint were shown by the editor on Senaku and SSCS pages. I cannot say that anything I have seen is other than what I would expect from a well-balanced admin. ] (]) 04:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC) | #'''Support''' Lots of attempted consensus building and restraint were shown by the editor on Senaku and SSCS pages. I cannot say that anything I have seen is other than what I would expect from a well-balanced admin. ] (]) 04:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
#'''Support''' A qualified candidate with good judgement. We don't have enough admins with a username beginning with Q (There are only at the moment). ]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> (]) 05:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC) | #'''Support''' A qualified candidate with good judgement. We don't have enough admins with a username beginning with Q (There are only at the moment). ]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> (]) 05:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC) | ||
#'''Support'''. I was mediator during the Senkaku Islands case to which Qwyrxian was party, and was consistently impressed by his patience, evenhandedness, writing skills, and desire to reach genuine consensus during a period of intense cultural conflict. He was in many ways almost a co-mediator, and I heartily endorse him for adminship. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, serif;" color="#BBAED0">] <font size="-2">] | ])</font></span> 06:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Qwyrxian
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Nomination
Qwyrxian (talk · contribs) – Ladies and gentlemen, it is with pleasure that I nominate Qwyrxian to become an administrator. I first encountered him when we worked together to stop BLP violations from being inserted into the article on Yoshiyahu Yosef Pinto. It turns out there was a whole group of articles centred around the NYC public relations firm of 5W Public Relations that were falling prey to the same treatment by a sockpuppeteer. Qwyrxian was instrumental in resolving the matter and assists to this day in watching for further disruption. He has recently been active, with User:Anna Frodesiak, in developing a strategy to fight the "TV station vandal", a mysterious IP-hopping editor who makes massive numbers of unsourced changes to TV station articles. Have a look in the black sandbox; this type of detailed work goes beyond ordinary vandal hunting. Qwyrxian has lately been delving into the complex world of our articles on India and Pakistan. He is not afraid to jump into difficult and complicated situations and try to resolve them; in fact he seems to relish the work. He is always very reasoned in his arguments, and has an excellent knowledge of policy. Admin tools can only be an asset in the hands of this editor. Diannaa (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I hereby accept this nomination. I've been editing Misplaced Pages seriously for a little over a year now (though I signed up in 2008), and, as my userpage says, I can't believe it took me so long to start. I believe that my work thus far has provided me with the knowledge needed to use the tools correctly, as well as demonstrated that I have the temperament to apply them wisely and appropriately. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I intend to start with WP:AIV, and WP:RPP, as those are the two areas I have the most experience with; plus, I know how frustrating it can be for vandal patrollers and others when a backlog or near-backlog occurs at those pages. I'll likely also work on speedy deletions, as I have done speedy deletion tagging in conjunction with recent changes and new page patrolling. Over time, I expect to turn my attention to weighing consensus on and closing deletion discussions (AfD at first, although I have no objections to learning more about other XfD). I expect that I will eventually find myself involved in a variety of other admin activities, but what those will be are beyond my current ability to predict. As a regular editor, I am now involved with topics that I never would have imagined myself editing when I started, so I expect that the same will probably true with administrative work.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?
- A: My “measurable” best article is my one GA, Sea of Japan naming dispute, where I feel like I was able to transform a mass of competing and repetitious polemics into a single, coherent article which explains the dispute without violating NPOV. However, a lot of the article work I'm most proud of on is on a more basic level, such as transforming fundamentally problematic articles into acceptable start or C class articles, changing POV articles to NPOV ones, and even the act of significantly cutting unsourced problematic content from articles. Overall, I consider my skills an an "editor" in the traditional (non-internet/non-Misplaced Pages) sense of the word to be one of the key things I offer Misplaced Pages. Just like every real book needs one or more people to produce content (to "write" it) and one or more people to trim, alter, and fix that content (to "edit" it), so to do Misplaced Pages articles. As examples of this type of work, I'll point my work on Kitty Hart-Moxon (which I found while working on Category:Misplaced Pages articles needing style editing during the last Great Backlog Drive) altering it from a personalized, promotional piece into a tighter, NPOV version with a closer linking of sources and info (I know that it's still under-sourced, but it's much better than before). Similarly, I took Gegong Apang from an under-sourced BLP stub to a fully WP:BLP compliant start-class article. Finally, I think that that my work in handling contentious issues is of value to the project; I often try to act as a neutral (informal) mediator in conflicts (see below), and as a mentor to new users. Many new editors have problems with our myriad policies, guidelines, and informal precedent, and deserve a chance to be drawn into the fold, even when it seems like they just don't fit.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: Yes, I have been in conflict, and yes, it has sometimes been stressful. The current atmosphere on a number of Indian caste articles is highly unpleasant, and it can sometimes be trying to have to maintain civility in the face of personal attacks, WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, and other forms of tendentious editing. Additionally, I have been (and still am) involved in a long running dispute on Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands dispute, which was recently the subject of a closed but incomplete MedCom mediation. I have tried hard to travel a middle line between two sides that have, at times, been nearly unable to work together. In both types of cases, I deal with the stress by relying on the help and expertise of other editors, by walking away from individual topics for a few hours when needed (whenever I suddenly hear my fingers banging on the keys at twice the normal speed and volume, I know it's time for a break), and by looking for incremental steps that build small bridges whenever possible.
- Additional question from Dusty777
- 4. What exactly made you choose to try and become an Administrator? Do you yourself think that you can handle the job efficiently without a problem?
- A: Taking the second question first, yes, I believe that I can handle the job. I won't be perfect, but I will follow policy as best as I can, and, when I am wrong, apologize and fix the mistake. As for why I am now choosing to try to become an admin, well, it's because I think that Misplaced Pages needs admins, and it's something that I believe I can do well. I love working on Misplaced Pages, and I want it to work; one of the things it needs to work is a set of people with the tools bundled into the adminship right. If the community agrees that I'm capable of using the tools, I'm happy to do so. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Additional question from My76Strat
- 5. If you see an article for deletion under CSD A7 which also has a PROD in place, which had been posted prior to the CSD, what administrative action would you take regarding that article?
- A: In footnote 4 of Misplaced Pages:Proposed deletion, it states "When tagging a proposed deletion candidate for speedy deletion, the proposed deletion tag should be left in place in case the speedy deletion is rejected. A rejected speedy candidate is still eligible for proposed deletion, but a rejected AfD candidate is not. The {{proposed deletion}} tag may be restored if replaced with a speedy deletion tag." While the two processes are not elsewhere discussed together, the existence of this footnote implies that it is acceptable to do both. As such, my first step would be to check the prod rationale, any comments on the article's talk page, and probably the article history to determine if there is anything else going on that I need to be aware of (for example, seeing both on an article makes me wonder if the tagging is part of some sort of bad faith attack). Assuming there was no A7 compliant version in the history, no one had objected to either the prod or the CSD, and the article actually is eligible under A7 (no credible claims of importance/significance), then I would delete it under A7. If I felt that the article made a credible claim of significance, I would decline the A7 (notifying the nominator), leaving the prod on (unless I felt that even PROD didn't apply, in which case I'd remove it as well, notifying the nominator and opening an AfD if I felt that level of discussion was necessary). Also, no matter what I found, my guess is that one or both of the nominator(s) will probably need some help; it may well have been that one or both of the nominators may not understand both processes completely. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Additional question from Sven Manguard
- 6. Have you read everything at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' reading list recently? Please note there is only one correct answer to this question, and that answer is "Yes". If you cannot truthfully answer "Yes", then go read the stuff there, then come back here and answer "Yes".
- A: Yes. Prior to Sven asking this question, I had already read the vast majority of those. Most I am familiar with in great detail, especially our key policies like WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. Others I have read only briefly; for example, those pages that cover the actual processes for performing admin actions (such as Misplaced Pages:Administrators' how-to guide), I have skimmed but not intentionally studied since, for me at least, learning those types of processes sticks better when I'm able to soon thereafter put that knowledge into practice. Regarding the oppose that prompted this question, Logan is completely correct that the page in question was not eligible for A7; I had forgotten that schools have a special parenthetical exception to A7. I'm glad that Malik Shabazz realized that and reminded me of that point. Moving forward, while I am certain that, just as I have made mistakes as an editor, I will make mistakes as an administrator, I do believe that the overwhelming majority of my actions on Misplaced Pages meet policy, that I've never made any truly dramatic mistakes (if I delete the main page, you can desysop me on the spot), and that I do my best to follow the best interests of the encyclopedia. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Additional question from TCO
- 7. (Meant as a serious question) Convince me you will not become mean after some time carrying the banhammer.
- A:
- Additional question from Monty845
- 8. Suppose as an admin, you come across an article tagged for WP:CSD A7, the page is named Montydoodle, the contents of the article are "The Montydoodle is an attractive new breed of dog, it is a mix of one quarter Poodle, two thirds Saint Bernard and one twelfth German Shepard. The breed is known for its amazing looks.", if you google it, you get a couple blog posts from a personal blog, the page creator happens to have "Monty" in their username, and the only other edit to the page after the creator was the CSD A7 being added. What if anything would you do?
- A:
General comments
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Discussion
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- Stats are on the talk page. Logan Talk 00:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Support
- As per nomination statement. --Diannaa (talk) 00:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support. I have watched the development of Qwyrxian's replies to the standard questions above but need see no more. Our mutual involvement has tended to be in the often very contentious area of India-related articles. I had already indicated that I would support, as a non-admin, because this contributor has time and again demonstrated to me some of the key points for anyone aspiring to the mop: clarity, throroughness, fairness, a recognition of where to draw a line, civility, policy/guideline knowledge, commitment to the project and, well, you name it. The attempt to mentor a recent contributor, Maheshkumaryadav, failed but it was not for want of trying and Qwyrxian had no problem recognising when the end had come. Is Qwyrxian perfect? Of course not, but xe is well in the zone that admins inhabit. Xe could make good use of the tools and has expressed a considered approach to using them. What's not to like? - Sitush (talk) 00:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Watchlisted support I've been waiting for this! Qwyrxian is a very discerning editor whose edits display a thorough knowledge of policy and consensus as well as good communication skills. I have no doubt that he would put the mop to good use. ThemFromSpace 00:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Enthusiastic support - Between my nothing-but-positive interactions with him at Talk:Sea of Japan naming dispute/GA1 and the glowing nomination statement from an editor I have nothing but respect for, this is an easy one. Sven Manguard Wha? 00:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Easy one here given Diannaa's nom, and my one interaction with him has been positive (creating the anti-sockpuppet filter). Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support – has a good head on his shoulders. Airplaneman ✈ 00:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support Qwyrxian has the skills and the temperament. To me, what is most important in an admin, is a level head and thoughtful decisions. Qwyrxian demonstrates this in every edit. I have worked with Qwyrxian on many occasions, and have been constantly impressed. I think Qwyrxian would be a model admin. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support Shows calmness, clue, and civility in contentious areas. I trust they will use the new tools in the right way. First Light (talk) 00:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- I've been waiting for this one. Solid candidate, only have good things to say. StrPby (talk) 01:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support - I will not withold my support on the basis of one erroneous CSD tag. James500 (talk) 03:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support Lots of attempted consensus building and restraint were shown by the editor on Senaku and SSCS pages. I cannot say that anything I have seen is other than what I would expect from a well-balanced admin. Chaosdruid (talk) 04:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support A qualified candidate with good judgement. We don't have enough admins with a username beginning with Q (There are only 4 at the moment). Minima© (talk) 05:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Support. I was mediator during the Senkaku Islands case to which Qwyrxian was party, and was consistently impressed by his patience, evenhandedness, writing skills, and desire to reach genuine consensus during a period of intense cultural conflict. He was in many ways almost a co-mediator, and I heartily endorse him for adminship. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 06:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose due to CSD concerns. Fairly recently, Malik Shabazz notified Qwyrxian that the school article that he had tagged as A7 was switched to a PROD because A7 does not apply to schools, as it states at WP:A7. However, Qwyrxian didn't seem to know this, replying, "As a school, it is necessarily either an organization and or corporation; it had no assertion of importance (unless you consider the mere claim to be a school of some type to be an assertion of importance), and, as such should qualify under A7." This worries me, as all admins should be almost perfect in their CSD tagging/knowledge, and not knowing a fundamental part of A7 doesn't cut it for me. Logan Talk 03:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, two and a half years ago that was slipped in after a convoluted discussion with very low participation somehow reached that exceedingly counter-intuitive result. I fail to see how one perfectly understandable slip up becomes "CSD concerns". "CSD concerns" is indicitive of widespread problems, not a small number of minor errors. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hopefully his answer to Q6 will appease you. If not, well I'd certainly hope this RfA would pass anyways, as I happen to think highly of Qwyrxian. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, two and a half years ago that was slipped in after a convoluted discussion with very low participation somehow reached that exceedingly counter-intuitive result. I fail to see how one perfectly understandable slip up becomes "CSD concerns". "CSD concerns" is indicitive of widespread problems, not a small number of minor errors. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Neutral
- Neutral but will support if you can just unequivocally say that you're not going to delete things like schools under A7. We have already far too many trigger happy people applying A7, but you seem to be a great editor. Steven Walling 04:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)