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Birthday

Hawkins again spent part of 1 March thanking fans on Twitter, for greetings on his birthday that day. These:

• 42611054794113024 thanks for Happy birthday @jimallthetime hope your having a lovely day xxxx
• 4261086154995302 thanks for Happy Birthday Jim,hope you had a great day and relaxin evening @jimallthetime
• 42611143159721984 thanks for @jimallthetime Happy Birthday Big Fella have a fantastical day
• 42522847960252416 thanks for Happy Birthday to Jim Hawkins @jimallthetime from the team @shropshirelive...

are just a few of dozens of examples; the latter is a message from his professional peers at Shropshire Live, using their official Twitter account.

Hawkins also retweeted foreign-language birthday greetings addressed to him (that's one of several examples), appealed for more followers as a birthday present and posted a picture of his birthday cake, which can be seen here: yfrog.com/hs1n4rmj complete with candles.

Can we now drop the pretence that his birthday isn't known publicly, known at his instigation and discussed by him? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:DOB: "Misplaced Pages includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object. If the subject complains about the inclusion of the date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year." Drop it Andy. Fences&Windows 02:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Which part of that self-contradictory prose do you think precludes publication of Hawkins' widely-self-publicised DoB? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

What is your problem, mate? Give it up, get a life, find something useful to do. Thanks to whoever Fences And Windows is, for pointing out that the subject objects. The subject objects to having anything about him published on Wales's Folly, for that matter. *starts stopwatch to see how long it takes Mabbett to delete this comment, like all the others he's deleted as being inconvenient to his odd little agenda* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.185.240.120 (talk) 11:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

"The subject" objecting to this article's existence is neither here nor there. Whether he likes it or not, he is sufficiently notable to have an article on Misplaced Pages. The article is subject to certain policies, such as the policy on biographies of living people. Our duty on Misplaced Pages is to ensure that all info is accurate, and if any information is included that portrays the subject of the article in a negative light, it is sourced correctly and backed up by reliable sources. Mjroots (talk) 20:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

But the information in this article is not accurate. Who says so? The subject does. Who's in a better position to know than the subject? Er ... nobody. So if the most reliable source possible tells you the information is inaccurate, isn't it your 'duty' (sic) (LOL) to remove it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.8.182 (talk) 05:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

But if the subject is either lying about his birthday being March 1st to listeners and twitter followers, or lying to Misplaced Pages that its not this date (he cant have it both ways) then surely he CANT be the most reliable source? Simmason (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Who said it's about my birthday? I mean, I know Mabbutt is strangely obsessed with my birthday (is that you again, Andy?) but I've never said it's about my birthday. Please pay attention (up to the point where -deficit kicks in, of course). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.105.252 (talk) 14:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, today I asked Mabbett when his birthday is. I'll let you know if he replies to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.76.51 (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's a better idea. Let's altogether drop this odd obsession with the man's birthday and find something better to edit. Jonathunder (talk) 22:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Celebrity/Notability Threshold

At what point does a person fall beneath the notability threshold, or if one has been above it, thus proven by two appeals for deletion being overturned, does one never fall beneath it? My point being that observing the news about BBC Local Radio, the prospects of Beacon taking over at Radio Shropshire, if this happens, and Hawkins clear attempts with his endeavours outside radio eg. the constant pushing on his twitter account of his portrait photography services, the recent adoption of his LinkedIn page instead of his previous BBC Shropshire biog page as his website link and diversification into motivational speaker and meeting chairperson, Hawkin is clearly making his exit strategy so he can jump before being pushed, or in case of the push coming sooner than expected. Is there a point when all the fighting about whether to keep or delete, whether facts are correct or incorrect become insignificant because the subject himself leaves the public stage? Simmason (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Spectacularly ignorant, even for a Misplaced Pages user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.105.252 (talk) 14:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, I'm noticing a pattern. If I dare to be critical of Wales's Folly (as I did three days ago, just for chuckles) someone who can't remember their real name posts something stupid on here. Well, that's hugely satisfying. Chill out, people. Have some beer. Or kittens. Not real ones, obviously, because that would be too much to cope with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.105.252 (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

To answer Simmason's question, once notable ==> always notable. In JH's case, notability was established by becoming a presenter on BBC Radio 4 and winning the Sony Silver Award in 2002. JH does not get to control whether or not there is an article on him, the wider Misplaced Pages community decides this. Mjroots (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your sensible answer to a sensible question Mjroots. There is no room on Misplaced Pages for ignorant and anonymous slanging as above from isp 86.164.105.252. Especially as my head isnt smaller than my neck despite listening to many quality radio stations including TalkSport. My query was a valid one especially in the light of tweets by @jimallthetime like todays: ref:

I enjoy my jobs ... all of them! :-) Could I work for you? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jim-hawkins/19/335/34a

• ref. for tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/jimallthetime/status/93306354697125888Simmason (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, bless. 'The wider Misplaced Pages community'. A bunch of people who write an encyclopaedia that you can't rely on. Yeah, that's the sort of people you want to trust with decision-making, isn't it? (And yes, Simmason, your comment was - OK, if 'ignorant' is too harsh a word, then 'dazzlingly misinformed to a quite remarkable degree'.)

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