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Second Archive complete...and so soon too. But small price to pay for popularity I suppose:> As is the custom of my tribe, all recent and ongoing discussions have been moved here. Now, where were we...--] 06:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC) But before you fire, do keep in mind I reserve the right to ignore and/or delete anything I regard as Spam, Trolling, Harassment or Vandalism. I want to be friendly and civil, don't give me reason to be otherwise. I may also be taking an extended break soon.--] 22:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


== WACKY CAPTIONS! ==
Here's a place to post unusual or interesting pics you find on the 'pedia or commons, and give them funny captions. Your favorite ones you can then take and post on your user:page should you wish.
]...I SUMMON THE ]" (Prime Minister ] secret, burning ambition-to replace ].)--] 06:57, 9 January 2006 (UTC)]]
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] ] <sup>]</sup> 13:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)]]

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== TFC ==

The old game? I've only been playing for a couple years.. but you do seem familiar. - ] 19:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I've been playing for only 6 years..well 6 as of 08/05;> So we prolly have met on a field of ] somewhere at some point. Do you go Demo a lot? --] 04:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== HELLO! C3PO! ==
This bot, as it currently operates, is a menace. It not simply alters content, but removes and marks it for deletion. The entire point of policing images for copyright vios is so Jimbo won't get sued. This means being able to DISCRIMINATE between Orphan images which pose a '''high risk''' of this from those which donot. So please explain how a map of '''The Tetrarchy of ]''' or '''a photo of an ancient bas relief potraying members of the ]''' or '''of the British army's ] fits this criteria?''' At the very LEAST your bot should INFORM the uploader of the problem. This should be a small task for an expert programmer such as yourself. There are certain jobs for which bots are unsuitable. Deciding which content should be removed or deleted is certainly among them. Please turn it off and keep it off until it is improved. Thanks--] 09:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:Before ranting, please familiarize yourself with exactly what the bot does. All it does is search for images that some editor has already tagged with {{tl|nosource}}, {{tl|unknown}}, or equivalent, and removes those images from articles. It does not tag images for deletion, and it does not delete content. Oh yes, and the bot hasn't been running since early New Years' Day. --] 19:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

::OrphanBot does more than simply remove tagged articles. It also patrols for images it deems "unsourced" and captions it deems "too long". You completely ignored the points and issues I raised. How do those three images I listed, pose a grave danger of a copy-vio lawsuit? In many cases, these images had been on the 'Pedia long before the Jihad against unsourced images was launched. They are clearly being used in a FAIR manner, and even if on some remote planet a lawsuit were filled, it would be laughed out of court or ignored. As would the map Image:Map Gaul.gif, which your bot removed from NINE pages!!! In some cases it has even removed long standing images from long ago FEATURED ARTICLES. Please explain this- '''''Found unsourced image Image:Blackadder.jpg in Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/April 2005.''''' It did'nt remove it, but it did see it as unsourced. Clearly this image SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED but your bot for some reason deemed it should. It therefore should not be removing ANYTHING. There is a term for mindlessly removing or altering information without regard to context, content or discussion...VANDALISM. Strong term I know, but apt in this case...and one I would not use if you had bothered to program it to inform the uploader of an image's status and place a note or tag on the article's discussion page. Much as I love technology and the idea of it making our lives easier, we must admit there are many tasks bots cannot nor SHOULD not be doing. Making what are effectively EDITORIAL DECISIONS are certainly among them. I see from the number of objections, complaints and suggestions on your talkpage, I'm not alone. Good thing for you, you ran it over the holidays when far fewer people were around, or you would have gotten a lot more complaints. By all means, use it to locate images which you think may be problematic, then REPORT what it finds to you and other interested parties. But the actual decision on what needs to be removed or deleted is best left in the hands of us frail, "meatbot" humans:> Please consider these points and suggestions before you run it again. Thanks--] 06:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::What you see on my talkpage is a number of editors who don't understand what OrphanBot is doing. "Caption too long" is a warning to me, the operator of the bot, that the bot might have made a mistake and removed a paragraph, instead of an image. "Found unsourced image" is a warning to me, the operator of the bot, that OrphanBot found a tagged image in an unusual location, such as the "today's featured article" image you mentioned. As I said before, please try to understand what OrphanBot is doing before you complain. --09:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

::I know what your bot does, sir. I've spent a good deal of the last two evenings trying to track down and revert some of the damage it has done. These are not frivillous or questionable images either, but helpful, informative and interesting maps, paintings and photos which are CLEARLY being used in a FAIR manner in historical articles. On the plus side, I'm glad it keeps open logs and you've programmed some safeguards into it. But it needs to STOP removing content without regard to context. Your bot has serious technical and philosophical issues which need to be delt with before you unleash it again. Perferably at a point in time which is not a major holiday.--] 14:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Take it up with ], then. He declared that images with unknown source or unknown copyright information need to be deleted. I've just been assisting in the cleanup. --] 18:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Nice ]. So by the same logic, if Jimbo suddenly decided one day that INLINE citations are to be required for every article, then it would be justified in your mind to create a bot which would delete all text passages which lack sources. You may call removing content without regard to context clean-up, sir, but to me it is effectively vandalism. Very well, since you refuse to be reasonable and your bot incapable of it, I will, reluctantly, contact Jimbo himself on the matter. It raises some larger issues which need to be addressed--] 02:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

== Requesting backup ==

I've replied ] to try and keep the discussion in one place; suffice it to say the general mood is pretty ugly right now. &mdash;]]] 14:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

:Roger that bro. Plus ] and ] are gone, I been involved with two Rfcs and just had an angry spat over Post Nominals and discussion page refactoring. Not much Wiki-love at the moment. Leithp has helped by filling my userpage with naked chicks though.:>--] 14:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

::Wiglaf as well? Shit..... ] ] 15:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

:::I still cannot bring myself to post goodbyes on their talkpages. Have neither the will nor the words :<<--] 02:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

== My RFC ==

Hi, RDH, I was trying not to comment on my own request for comments until it seemed that everyone involved had given an opinion, but I have to thank you for saying "Talrias is one of the most thoughtful, fair-minded admins I know of." That's very kind of you to say. Maybe you just don't know any other admins. :) ] (] | ] | ]) 12:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


:Hi Talrias! Yes, admins I know a few :> But I've seen enough of your actions to justify my conclusion and oppose your Rfc...Sorry;> The way you handled the earlier spat between between Giano, Bishonen and myself, your well considered proposals for Rfa reform. Granted, I'm not familar first hand with the incident involving Marsden, but the very fact you are willing to file an Rfc against yourself in order to admit any wrongs and learn from them shows true charachter. You have my repect, Sir, and this is something I don't hand out casually. Cheers--] 02:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC)(Or simply Ghost to his friends:)

== ''Smile, my Ghosty!'' ==

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<font color="darkblue">''A Spanish fairy came to this page from Kirill Lokshin's,<br>blew some glittering magic Wikilove dust all over Ghost,<br>smiled at him, hugged him,<br>and flew back into the night.''</font></center>

How come he gets a hug? I only got a smile..... (Do you know what's going on with this Spanish Fairy?).... ] 23:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC) BTW, It may be Shauri reincarnated?....

::Because Spawn buddy, I gotz SENIORITY or perhaps in this case señority (GRIN).--] 07:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:Because Ghost is magic? By the way, it just had to be a gothic fairy.....at least it wasn't emo ;-) ] (]) 00:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::Whoever Spanish Fairy is, I'll miss the shining light of happiness Shauri shone into this place :-) ] (]) 00:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Sometimes it's best not to ask too many questions ;-) &mdash;]]] 02:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Indeed, sometimes it is best just to accept a wonderful gift and enjoy the happiness it brings while it lasts. In this case the gift is not only appreciated but sorely needed. So here's a '''BIG THANKS AND HUG''' to our Fair Spanish Fairy...whomever she MAY be ;->>>--] 07:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

== Compete? Collaborate? ] ==

::BTW, hope you like my attempt at being funny in the wacky captions. Just thought I'd put it there also because it's one of my first image downloads! Anyway... ] 00:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC). P.S. shouldn't we be more competitive in edits? I mean, we're neck & neck as to how many articles we've created... We should think up a competition or something, or do a collaberation? P.P.S. Have you seen my painted model I've uploaded in my photo gallery? It got half way through the golden demon competition. P.P.P.S. Just felt like putting P.P.P.S. & will probably put P.P.P.P.S. too. P.P.P.P.S. That's all....

:::Hey, if I did'nt find them funny I would'nt have left them up there...But funny or no, I think it's a fun thing for us to do even if the attempts are not always rib splitting. If nothing else, we get to share neat stuff...such as bizzare Japanese cooking shows, and dog bombs and New Zealand coastal disputes.
::: Don't really see this as a competition...but thanks for reminding me, I need to start some new artys:> Seriously, though, a collaboration sounds like a good idea...its been a while. What you want to write about? I have some ideas..if you're interested and someone hasnt baet us to the punch-out.--] 06:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

A random tip you might find helpful: rather than using {{tl|user4}}, create a subpage at ] with <nowiki>{{subst:user4|R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)}}</nowiki> on it. Then, use <nowiki>{{maintained|{{User:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)/Maintenance}}}}</nowiki>. This lets you use ] to generate a list of all the articles you've added your name to.

Feel free to ignore me, though, if this isn't useful for you ;-) &mdash;]]] 04:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:I would be a fool to ignore your knowledgable and helpful advice. Thanks! I only discovered the maintained template yesterday, so it is still very much in the "experimental" stages for me. How would that work for artys I co-maintain though? For instance Nufy8 and I are guardians of ] and of course General O'Connor is Leithp and my project.--] 08:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ideally, you'd both create subpages and list them, but it's not necessary. Your using the subpage notation rather than {{tl|user4}} doesn't affect anyone else putting their name into the template at all. &mdash;]]] 14:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


::Mais bien...Merci! I'm still a lil gunshy to play with templates though, after my disasterous attempt to make one for the ], which you so kindly fixed for me:>>--] 06:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

== Gratias tibi ago! ==
English= Thank you!
Thank you my friend for your word on the talk page of our article!
I like more the disposision you made to the photos, and i think that this should be the final.
Sorry for all the late mate, had to work very hard during this time, i went to barcellona for work, but now i came back and can start edting at 100%, i translated all that was usefull of Ammianus for the late empre, but now i'm searching some convalidations of some modern historians, like Dupuy. Keep ready man we re almost done here! F.S.S.D --] 12:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::No problemo, Amico...sorry I did'nt sound off earlier, it did'nt show up on my watchlist for some reason. All I saw was you telling me about problems with our now dear deleted mottos section and then Silencio starts rearranging the pics. After reading the talkpage I realized why all this had happened. Now they think we don't know how to arrange images properly. Earlier, they thought we were plagerizing and wanted to delete the entire article, remember? Now it is "great jobs guys, but you arrange images like kids". Of course they know what's better for the article than we do, right? Wish they'd make up their bloody minds, give us some REAL help or get out of our damn way :>. Barcelona huh? Lovely town, I envy you..always wanted to go there. Especially since it would give me a chance to visit a certain dear Spanish friend of mine and it would be just a short trip down the coast for the ghost ;> Vis et honor, Bro --] 07:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Right bro, we created from scratch an huge article in my opinion dealing with an interesting subjects and facing off many hardships (Damn Latin).Now whent the corpus ti is done and we need only to improve it a bit they come up from nowhere amd starting to say we made kid disposition and such, i would have accepted their critcs if they contributed some more , and talked peacefully without slandering anyone. F.S.S.D --] 12:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
::Exactly bro! We are supposed to show GOOD FAITH, well how is this possible when they sure as hell aren't showing us any! I've noticed that in most good articles it is one or two dedicated and knowledgable contributors who do most of the work. The rest just criticize or, at best, make minor contributions. Which is too bad, because it would be truly cool if there were more REAL TEAM efforts. Criticism is easy, the WORK is difficult! Spiritus.S.S.D--] 08:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

== Deep Medals ==

Thanks for the award for ]. I blush with gratitude. ] 18:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


:It is well-deserved...a Deep medal for a deep and very excellently written, exaustively reaseached work. Only wish I could help you with the Woodward book, (he writes entirely too much doesnt he? I've always preferred Bernstein anyways;) Again, OUTSTANDING JOB! --] 07:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==

Hi. I see you started this article. I've got some stuff to add to it, but before starting I was wondering whether it shouldn't be split into two articles, as in ] and ]? Any thoughts? ] 18:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

:Re:Hi! How much stuff do you have? It would have to be quite a bit to justify splitting the article. The two battles of Bedriacum took place within only a few months of one another, and we know little about them apart from the dates, place, combatants and who won (Romans really did not seem to like to write too much about battles amongst them for the purple). By contrast, over a year separates the two Bull Runs, and we have a lot more info on both (Strengths, casualties, manuevers, unit commanders etc.) As it now stands, the two Bedriacums have barely enough between them to constitute a large stub. But please, add what you can. Sapere aude and Cheers--] 08:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:: Thanks for the response - I'll add some stuff first then we can see about splitting later. There is quite a bit on both battles in Greenhalgh ''The Year of the Four Emperors'', taken from Tacitus and Plutarch, and I might be able to lay lands on the relevant volume of Tacitus. It will have to be a bit at a time anyway as things are rather busy at the moment. ] 13:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


:::WOW! You brought in the heavy guns! I was going to recommend some good translations of Plutarch and Tacitus I found, but you clearly didn't need them. You have turned the mere stub I started into an outstanding article...VERY well done!! So Thank you! Not merely for expanding and improving on my work but for helping reassure my Wiki-faith, which has been wavering somewhat of late. I salute you, Sir! ] (and you have:)--] 08:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC) (or Ghost to his friends :)

== War of the League of Cambrai ==

Thanks! &mdash;]]] 14:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

:No thank you, for an excellent article, friendship and a good excuse to invent a new drinking game (as per your chat page ;) Cheers Bro,--] 14:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

::Hehe. Incidentally, did I tell you that ] is going up on the ] in a ]? ] 15:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


:::] I'm already working on 2 more "Grande" articles for the Portal ;>--] 14:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

== Late roman empire added ==
Hi bro!, sorry for the late for posting this sections, i tryed to be most synteic as possible in this section trying to avoid many objects that may be argouments of debate(STILL don't know the exactly disposition of roman cavalry and auxilia paltinae what were fo).
Tell me what i shopuld add or delete thanks Bro. F.S.S.D --] 15:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I see it, Bro. Good job! I will work on it sometime when I'm more awake, and don't have a hang over and a dog demanding a walk. Then I'll add some stuff, just the basics about the Vexillatio system, Diocletians reforms, etc. An intro that will lead in to your paragraphs. Ciao till then --] 14:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Saw the changes you made bro, impressionant, now it looks like a pro article! T'is amazing how you can turn my poor english to a fine piece of narrative! --] 19:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::: Btw Bro, i think we should move the section on the late empire before the training part, to have a diachronical thingy on the article, but the problem is how i do that? Btw, great job on that Grand Armee! F.S.S.D --] 06:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Grazz bro:> We have a rapport I guess...plus you know enough English and I know enough Roman history so that we make an effective team:). I plan on writing a lead-in section, explaining the situation which prompted the changes in the late Empire. That will give the readers a better idea of chronology and context. It will also make it more comprehensive. You think the section (sections after I finish the Late Emp intro)should be moved up above Training? I thought they would be better further down, since the training metheods we discuss are those established by Marius and practiced throughout the remainder of the empire's history to various degrees. But we can try it you way after I finish the lead and see how it looks. Spiritus.S.S.D.--] 20:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== Grand Images ==

Did you fix the images on ]? As they now appear to be in order on my computer. This is my work computer, which uses IE as opposed to my home one with Firefox so maybe that's why they appear okay now. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

:No bro, As i said below, I've been on an unplanned break. But I'm glad those insubbordinate guardsmen seem to have fallen in line. Weird thing is, I use ONLY Firefox on my box (old and new) and the images seemed ok. What do you think of the article so far? I think it has promise, but still needs some fleshing out.--] 20:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

::Hmm, looking at it back on my home computer, it still looks untidy. I'm not sure what to do, other than what you suggested earlier. The article itself looks very good and comprehensive. I don't know an awful lot about Napoleonic battles, but I'm very impressed. What section did you think needed fleshing out? ]<font color="teal">]</font> 17:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:Well (always a deep subject:) Ansbach did a great job with the infantry. So much so the sections on the other forces now look scant by comparison. However comprehensive it may be, it doesnt seem enough. Also, I was thinking of adding one last main section giving a brief history of the Armée, overlooking its rise, evolution and decline. Subdivided into 4 periods: 1804-06, 07-09, 10-12 and 13-14. Then conclude with a much briefer legacy section, discussing the Grande Armée's influence on 19th and early 20th century military establishments. Though it may be hard at times for us proud, Anglophiles to admit, it was the first true modern army. And its model of speed, organization and efficiency is still influential today. Napoleon never wrote down his military theories in any singular, coherient manner. Most of those books were written after his downfall, largely by his admiring enemies or adoring subordinates. But through examination of the military system he built, and led to so many triumphs and glories we can get brief glimpses into one of the greatests and most daring minds of history.--] 21:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::Aha, galleries. A fine plan, they seem to have done the trick. As far as old boney goes, I can see how he was such a successful commander but I don't subscribe to the cult of personality that surrounds him. I tend to prefer Wellington, or preferably ]. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 13:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Glad you approve bro. It was the best solution I could devise. La galerie des Maréchals seemed to have worked well, so I decided to try it for some of the other sections too. Of course one reason it works in those sections is because, like Boney himself, they are a bit on the short side. But I'm far better at expanding text than shrinking or rearranging images :>--] 02:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== ? ==

Since no one's talking on my talkpage, I'll come here. I actually have a question, which would be kinda fun to actually see.... What would happen if someone was to put a page as a redirect to a redirect page that redirected back to the first redirect page? Well? It would be quite fun..... ] 01:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, What's this talk of you working on two other "Grande" articles with out asking me to collaberate? Think me worthless do ye? Well that's fine.....

:I did'nt think you'd be interested in either one. Besides, for our collaboration I was thinking more along the lines of combining our mutual love of animals and action by doing a survey article on Famous War Dogs? If that is taken then we could do something about other famous animals who have performed heroric and noble service in times of strife. What thinkest thou?--] 20:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

::Sorry I hadn't answered, I forgot I posted a message here! Sounds cool to me, but I think I'll give it a miss this time, I'm gonna try to work on astronomy articles... Give me a buzz next time you want to do a collaboration... ] 23:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Entendu. I've got too many kettles on the fire now as well. ] eh...tis great being able to go wherever our curiosities and fancys may carry us:>--] 01:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== Just so you know... ==

Just so you know, that after a full year long recovery from the tse tse immune defective virus, The Hardest Questions in the World Section is back on my user page!! Don't be too quick to tire the section out too quickly, but make sure you pop round to make sure you get a good score on the leader's board.... ] 04:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

:Cool! I shall be at it (at least the trivia parts not the puzzles which purplex me addled old brains too much:) I missed your question..oh and missed you too:>--] 20:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


== Unplanned Wikibreak ==

Courtesy of a power supply gone '''BOOM''', I've been on an unexpected Wikibreak the past week. Essentials (notably ], ], ] and of course the Wiki:) have been restored...essentially...on a new system under a new OS. But I've still got mucho catching up so apologies for the tardiness of my responses. Tis great to be back! I've missed this glorious ]. Salute Encore Mes Camerades!--] 20:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

== HQITWS ==

You are currently 3rd on the leader's board, being behind of 2nd place by 1 point. ] 03:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, did you see the glogg question was answered? Cool aye?


:Good, that damned Glogg question went unanswered for centuries. So...why don't you slip me some slack, maybe 1/2 point for being close on some of them?:>--] 20:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::That would be cheating.... Plus I'm trying to slowly crush your spirit so I can take over your crown as the coolest editor this side of the Wiki Star cluster..... MUAHAHAAAAAA..... ] 23:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:BTW, You are now tied 3rd place on the leader's board, being behind 2nd place by 1 point... ] 23:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Slowly crush my spirit eh...you flatter me sir :> But coolness comes with wisdom. And part of that is the knowledge that in endevors, such as this, we are only really competing with ourselves, not eachother. However, if you can snatch this pebble from my hand, Grasshopper, you may have my crown :>--] 01:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC) PS Oh yes and beat me at TFC too:)

::TFC? What's that? ]. *Holds his pebble high & proud!!*

:::] read and be enlightened;>--] 19:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:].]]

(Don't think you're getting your pebble back now.... MUAHAHA......) ] 00:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, posted another useless pic in your wacky captions....

::Hmm A pebble for a barnstar..I'll take the trade...Thanks Bro! Hehehe I like the new pic too...you've helped make the old man's day;>--] 03:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

:You're an old man!? I can't possibly hang out with you any more old timer.... :) ] 03:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC) BTW, Remember that German beer I said I was having shipped over from Poland when we spoke for the very ] Well it finnally arrived! ]. I told you I'd get it to you! Its at a good time too since you ''are'' going to polish my new article, ]. *uses Jedi mind control trick*........ I hope this new path of the jedi stuff works on you.... ] 04:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

:Mmmm yes a little off, but if I drink enough I won't care;>--] 08:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== ]: Coordinator elections ==

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Thanks Loop! I forgot about the organizational discussion we were having. Guess things have moved along a pace. See you there, Cheers--] 20:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
== thanks bro ==
I had an hard time understanding what septentrionalis said on his talk page, by the way you are welcome in helping..--] 13:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:No problem bro! Glad to help out. You know our system, just post a link here when you are ready and I'll go in and do my usual ]:>--] 01:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== An Esperanzial note ==
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of ] as Admin General and ], ], ] and ] as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at ''']'''. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at ''']'''.

In other news, ] has set up a discussion about '''a new ] policy''', which it can be found ]. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, ''']''' and a welcome template: {{tl|EA-welcome}} (courtesy of ]). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the '''userpage award program''' proposal has become official is operational: see ] to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see ''']''' for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --]<font color="green">]</font>] <sup>]</sup> 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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Sigh, you've gone and DRAFTED me did'nt you. Very well then, over the top and into the gauntlet we go!--] 08:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:"Into the gauntlet"? Sounds like a bit of a squeeze, unless you mean ]? In which case ] I'm the elf. Good luck! ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:Cool, I got dibs on the Wiz! "Blue Wizard, your lifeforce is running out...Needs food...badly"--] 09:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

::You've still got unanswered questions on your rfa page, plus you sort of dug a hole for yourself saying that you're lazy etc etc... ] 02:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC). BTW, I'm part Russian.... Do your think I'm a vodka drinker too huh? Well huh? Huh? HUH? I'm changing my vote........ (I'm just joshing you I hope you realise.....) BTW BTW, Why did Wiglaf & Shauri actually leave? I still don't know! I'm always the last to know! Tell me something that noone else knows before I explode!!!!!!!


::Ah Russkie eh...this would help explain the temper and your tendency to RUSH IN on things...such as...oh say nominating a friend for Admin without talking it over with him first (And youre right, if you had asked me, I would have prolly said no...or at least, Nyet nyet not yet ;). Wig and Sha...I've written four letters to them, and gotten 2 and a half replies back (the half being the promise of another reply later). This was weeks ago, but they are both alive, safe and have promised to stay in touch. That is the important thing here. Hope that is enough to defuse your Russian curiosity bomb :>--] 04:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:No, not "Russkie". I prefer "Russian". But anyway.... I'm also part scottish, english, greek, russian. On my Russian side I've got a link to one of the Zsars. But hey, I like my geneology.... Congrats on your new Adminship (How do I know you'll get it? Let's say I have special abilities..... like counting the tally so far...). I was waiting for just the right time to nominate you. Muahaaaa.... Now that's three friends I've gotten into adminship... Interesting..... ] 07:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::Not yet you haven't. My Wikiforce may be strong, but I'm not an admin yet. And we needz to do something about this whole silly "dive and dump" nomination thing you pulled. Folks is startin to a gossip. Then, once I'm in club cabal, we can see about getting your article edit count up..maybe another FA or two, then I'll race Kirill and Lord Am to see who will nominate you first. At which time that pebble I gave you should come in handy when you enter THE PIT.--] 21:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::I thought you knew me well enough to know that when I'm bored I usually play practical jokes..... Anyway, I thought it would be fun to see how everyone reacted.... Muahahaaaa...... Besides, I knew you had enough votes for the time being..... What's a "dive & dump"? Sounds fun... I hope you didn't take things too seriously about this little prank I played.... As I said, idle hands do evil things......... muahahaaaaa. ] 00:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC). BTW, I don't want to be admin for a while... :) Plus I've also been editing the ] artilce. The pic layout was horrendous!!

==Oh Mercy, Mercy Me (The Wikipediology)==
I was just having a look across RFA, which I don't tend to look at too regularly. It definitely seems to be getting more stringent these days. Some of the current RFAs are painful to look at (Ec5618 and Adam1213's in particular). RFAs have a tendency to become RFCs all too easily, just ask poor Halibutt. The talk page item ] makes interesting reading (and a good subject for ] in talk page headers). ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

]
:(Ultra SIGH). Months ago I tilted at the Rfa reform windmill. The results were discouraging. Most simply refused to believe the system, while not yet broken, is clearly breaking. I saw this coming and I'm getting to the age where much of the time it sucks to be right. Even Durin is starting to recognize the success rate has dropped off dramatically and ] has failed (I called GiRAffe "A safety sign by the ]". Of course a lot of those failed candidates are bringing it on themselves by not preparing properly. They give very stock or inadequate answers to the questions. Many don't even bother to answer the "optional" ones (which really are'nt if you want to be taken seriously as a sysop). Plus they also seem to want the mop for the wrong reasons. They see it as more of an honor than a job instead of the other way round. By the way, buddy, thanks for stepping in to defend me from Ghirla's distortions! That's another pint I owe you, Cheers!--] 04:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

===Sweet, Life-Affriming, Liquid Bread ===
::If you want a laugh, take a look at the picture in ]. Only the Aussies would put a man who looks like that in a position of responsibility. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 09:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Well it's the silly hat, ain't it Bruce? Apart from that he seems dead on butch. No poofta or ponce that un.:>--] 10:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)BTW, don't ya agree American beer's like makin love in a canoe...

::::Yeah, heard that one before. I have to say that I don't mind a bottle of Sam Adams now and then, so they're not all bad. You have to wonder how you guys managed to get from ] to ]? What the hell were they thinking? Scotland produces some pretty bloody awful lagers as well though, alongside some top notch ales. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 10:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

::It's the legacy of ]. Before this failed, but not very noble, "Experiment" my country tis of thee had some of the ] on the globe. Afterwards, most all the breweries went extinct. Only a few survived because they switched to flour or cattle feed production. So when the national nightmare finally ended (For this reason alone FDR's mighty visage should be added to Mt. Rushmore), there were only a handful big brewing conglomerates in place to take over the market. To meet the vast demand and their customers' shrunken wallets (It was the Great Depression by this time afterall), they churned out cheap, watered down, piss-flavored psuedo-pilsners. Since there was nothing else readily avalable, people drank it...and since they didn't know any better bitters, actually began to LIKE it. This "Dark age" of American brewing, reinforced by aggressive ad-marketeering and collusion amongst the beer barons and lawmakers, lasted until the ] of the 80's and 90's. Sam Adams is one result of this Renaisance of the brau meisters' art. It is the exception to the rule which harkens back to tastier, more intoxicating time...When the best of the old world and the new met at the bottom of fermentation tanks, to be miraculously sythesized by marvellous microbes.--] 05:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, I didn't know that. I'd heard of microbreweries (in an old copy of ] IIRC) but it didn't mean anything to me. As for the current beers, 50% rice or corn content? Have these people never heard of the ], the only acceptable German purity law? I suppose a lot of the breweries around the UK would qualify as microbreweries, if we had such a definition. There's still a good bit of regional variation in beers here as well, the dark days of the 70s and 80s didn't totally kill it off. Being a Scot, I tend to drink a heavy ] but I remember working in ] for a few months where the local brewery, Jennings, produced an outstanding bitter that I still hanker for but can't find anywhere.

:::This reminds of a story one of my old colleagues told me about a pub in Edinburgh known as diggers (it's next to a graveyard, and was the pub of choice for the workers there). Diggers is known for the quality of it's 80/. He took his son and his mate out for a pint there, and asked the barman for three pints of lager. The barman looked him over and said "What the fuck do you think this is? Fucking cocktail night? You'll have three pints of heavy like everyone else." He decided to order the heavy instead. Sadly by the time I moved to Edinburgh as a student the pub had long since cleaned up its act. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


:ROFL! Fucking cocktail night...ahhh I needed that laugh. I agree, unless we're talking Asian cusine or Pet food, rice should NOT be involved. Period! One of my old mates from the college ] and ] days used to microbrew. We got our supplies from Hoggtown Brewers, which was conviently located behind the Market Street Pub and across from Durty Nelly's. we generally used plastic tanks, to avoid getting the metallic taste...hey I know, Iron is supposedly good for you, but still.--] 21:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


== I'm quite disappointed ==
Man, you shoulda have advised me for this admin thing i voted only now...... --] 20:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::Sorry bro, I had'nt heard from you for days. I though you were away for some reason. On the brightside, though, you DID vote, and now SoLando does'nt feel so bad about being uninform till "late":> By the way, I still owe you that introduction to the section we just worked on. I've not forgotten.--] 21:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== What the? ==

What's up with Ghirla, Giano & Bichon-what's-his-name? Why are they so anti-R.D.H right now? It sounds wierd to me that calling someone a Russkie could condure up such hatred. What's the real story aye? ] 00:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC). BTW, I left further comments up above. Again hope I didn't hurt your feelings with my practical joke, my humour gets into ] too often....

:I don't think they care for us too much Spawny. No surprises really (except Ghirla accepted my apologies, which was actually heartening...a small glimpse into the way things OUGHT to be). I'm just glad they did'nt act until after our plane got well off the ground, otherwise the Rfa could have become another DOA. Meantime let's stay cool and heed the warning sign I posted:> As for your JOKE, ]...]. The worst part was you had me all worried I'd somehow offended you. I came dangerously close to withdrawing at one point. But the thought of the Mona Lisa Smirk on Giano's face if I did, gave pause. By the way, do yourself a favor, try and steer clear of him and Bish (her). They take offense easily, hold grudges long and their Wiki-Fu is strong. Plus they have many powerful, influential friends...trust me, I've learned this the hard way. So let's stay the course, and no more (im)practical jokes until we are in smoother waters, IS THAT CLEAR ENSIGN!? kk?:>--] 07:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== My RFA ==

Hi RDH, thanks for participating in my ] discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). If you voted in support of my request, '''thank you'''! If you decided to oppose me at this time, then I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Misplaced Pages may persuade you to reconsider your position. All the best, ]<small>&nbsp;]&nbsp;]</small> 10:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:I'm also sorry it did not work out for you this time around. You may count on my support again as well in a month or two.--] 10:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
== Victory terms ==
Hi bro, what is the percentage good to be lected admin?An you will won with thos current votes? Sorry for the silly question --] 21:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:Not silly at all bro, but very relevent. The victory threshold (consensus) is generally considered 75%. Right now it is not looking too good. Unless there is a sudden, dramatic surge in support. Which honestly, given the shift in momentum in the last several hours, I don't see happening.--] 05:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


== RfA Thanks! ==

<div style="align: center; padding: 1em; border: solid 4px #6A99B4; background-color: #EDF1E1;">] Okay, this is perhaps a bit overdue, but thank-you for your support in my recent RfA! I passed with a final <s>vote count</s> consensus of '''(82/1/0)''', which was a lot of support that I really appreciate. I'll try to live up to the expectations; and on that note, if there's ever something I do wrong (or don't do right), please ]. Cheers! --]]]<sup><small>(])</small></sup> 05:31, 4 February 2006 (UTC)</div>

=="]"==

I saw ] was in town last night for a gig and it reminded me of one of his old albums, back from when he was a great songwriter. The title is a quote from the King James bible, not that I'm religious but it seemed appropriate. The quotation itself refers to fighting back against goading only leading to pain, but I have a sneaky suspicion that Cave meant it another sense as well. Take from that what you will..... ]<font color="teal">]</font> 10:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

:Message received and understood. Thanks, bro. I hope I did not make too big of an arse of myself.--] 02:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

::Here's one, did you know Nick Cave is a member of ]?--] 05:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry bout your RfA ==

I saw that your RfA had failed. Although it is a sad day for all, you can't let it get on top of you. I guess there's no hope for me, cause if you didn't get in, I'm never gonna get in! If they think you're incivil, man, what are they gonna dig up on me! Should be hilarious! Anyway, time for a new start. I think we need it. Badly. I still can't believe it failed, you only had under half the amount opposing you! Anyway..... ] 23:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC). BTW, I might not be on for a while... matters I have to see to.....

:Indeed we do. Have an enjoyable and productive break--] 03:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

] I would like to thank you for your support for my candidacy for the ] coordinator position. I am now the Lead Coordinator, and I intend to do my best to continue improving the project. If you ever have any questions or concerns regarding my actions, or simply new ideas for the project, be sure to let me know! —]]] 00:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:When it comes to concerns regarding your actions, I've never had nor expect to have any. With regard to ideas, I always have and always will do so.;> I'm proud of this project, and glad to have you as its guide--] 03:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cheers ==

] I don't wanna overdo it or anything, so here's just a brief note thanking you for supporting me in the ] coordinator elections. Cheers, and I hope I can please as Assistant Coordinator! --] <sup>]</sup> 01:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

::As I said, it is good to know our project is in capable hands...wish I could say the same for that beer though :> Cheers--] 03:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


== ] coordinators ==
Sorry I am late! Been away watching the Superbowl. I'm not good at thank-you messages, but still, thank you for supporting me, I'll do my best. :D If you ever need help, you know who to ask! -- <font color="#FF0000">'''Миборовский'''</font> <sup>]|]|]|]|]|]!</sup> 03:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

::No problem, I'm watching same. Our best is all any of us can do.--] 04:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
==Apologies==
Sorry about my comments at ]. I am in policy discussion mode there and don't always consider the motives that may be involved in such issues such as adjusting a final count. I encourage you and Spawn Man to stick around and remember you have a lot of friends around and you can ignore your detractors. ] ] 13:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:No need to apologize, your comments were perfectly civil and well considered. As a skeptical, if not at times cynical, student of politics and human nature, I often find it difficult to separate policy decisions from motivations. Thank you for your kind words and encouragemnt--] 08:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

== A complaint has been made ==

Two separate complaints have been made about the way in which I closed your request for adminship, both ] and ]. If you have a complaint about the way in which this discussion was closed, could you please let me know on my talk page? Many thanks. -- ] ] 19:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:I have no qualms with the way you handled the matter. You acted entirely properly. I withdrew and you promptly closed. Unfortunately, there are some petty officials here who refuse to allow the matter to drop. If there is any "Bad form" in this, it is theirs and not yours...or even mine for a change:>--] 08:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

==Thank You, My Friend==
It's funny apparently i'm following Jimbo's beliefs better than Jimbo seems to be at the moment. I hope he can open his eyes and see that acting above the law will do nothing but raise enmity towards himself rather than help solve disputes, but in the meantime i'm going to stick around if I can assist people with things.

However, i've said all I probably need to say on that arbcom case, and i'll just let them handle it from there unless they have any more questions. <font color="#4682B4">]</font><font color="#00FF00">]</font><font color="#E32636">]</font> 14:29, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

:You certainly seem to be. Jimbo is a great guy, but he is not infallable. Carniildo is the only one who should have been de-oped. And he is the only one who should be facing Arbcomm now. I've called upon him to resign. I hope he has the sense and decency to do what is best for the project and our community. From my previous dealings with him, however, I'd be pleasantly surprised if he did. Regardless, I'm sure you and ElC will be vindcated. I just hope it is POST HASTE. Take care my friend, and let me know if I can be of any service. May the Wiki-Force be with you!--] 14:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

== Joke's RfA ==

Hi RDH (GITM), thanks for your support in my (successful) RfA! &ndash;] 16:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

<div style="background: #F0F8FF; border: 2px solid #C0C8FF; padding: 2px;">]'''Thank you''' for your support on my ]. It ultimately succeeded with votes of 52/1/2, so I am now an ]. Should you have any questions, comments, complaints, or requests at ''any'' point in the future, please do not hesitate to let me know on my ] or via ].</div>
<div style="text-align: right; width: 100%;">—] <font color="#C46100" size="1">]</font> 05:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)</div>
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== Military project ==
Thanks bro, i joined with entusiasm --] 12:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

:Exxxxcelent! It's good to have you aboard bro!--] 12:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

== Task force ==

] —]]] 14:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

:Formidable mon camarade! Bienvenue et bien fait!--] 17:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==
If you get a chance would you mind having another look at this article I've just self-nominated the article for ] and would appreciate your comments?

]

:But of course...always glad to help talented contributors, especially on such fine articles as this one. --] 16:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== Another Esperanzial note... ==
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see ''']''' and ''']'''). As a result, '''] has been ammended''' twice (see for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the ] for more details). Also of note is the '''Valentines ball''' that will take place in on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, '''the spamlist has been dissolved''' - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming ''']'''. These will take place from '''12:00 UTC on ]th to 11:59 UTC on ]th'''. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are '''already listed on ]'''. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, ''if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again''. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,<br />
--]<font color="green">]</font>] <sup>]</sup> 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
<small>(message delivered by ] using ] on ] behalf)</small>

== Nap Taskforce ==

Hi there Ghost.

Thanks for the invite to the Napoleonics Taskforce. I'd be more than happy to join (and i've added my name). Also, thanks for the link to the Davout page. Quite interesting stuff.
Cheers again
--] 23:17, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

:You are most welcome aboard my friend. Thanks for accepting (and promptly too:)--] 23:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

==Kool Aid==
Oh yeah! That's a good idea, but i'd suggest caution (a subst rather than a template) not because it's a bad idea, but because Tony or one of the Cabal's goons will unilaterally delete it 70 times, and then we'll have another TFD with everybody going insane and blah blah blah. I wouldn't mind the fight with them, but i'd prefer to do other things if I could avoid it, so the subst would probably be a better idea. <font color="#4682B4">]</font><font color="#00FF00">]</font><font color="#E32636">]</font> 03:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

==Mes Compliments==
Excellent work translating the ] article into French. Misplaced Pages needs more of this sort of inter-language cross-pollination. Bien Fait, Monsieur!--] 18:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot. It's actually pretty impressive to see that History of France (facts and biographies) are often much better in the wiki en than in the wiki fr. ] 19:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
::Impressive but perhaps a bit sad also. I sometimes go looking on Wiki Fr for materials, especially dealing with the ] and too often find them lacking. But I did learn, at least, that the name Grande Armée was also given to the large force of Danish Vikings which invaded England in 865 and created the Kingdom of York. And later in the 19th century, to the multi-national force which invaded Argentina to overthrow the dictatorship of ]. Good translations help fill in a lot of gaps.--] 20:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
:::That's definitely a good point. That makes me wonder if "small" wikipedias should reduce the scope of their project. Instead of writing poor quality articles about almost every topic, we should focus on articles about our countries (France, Belgium, Canada, ....) and articles who would be in a paper encyclopedia (Alexander the Great, ...). What is really strange in the French wikipedia is that you can create an article and be sure that nobody will ever modified them (except bots :-( ). In the same time, the few articles I have initiated/I watched on the English wikipedias are modified all the time (even if they are on confidential topics) : it's much more a collaborative work. Hopefully, we will be able to attract enough contributors (actually, we are roughly four times smaller than the English wikipedia (Recent Changes, Newpages and Total number of articles). ] 03:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

::That is an excellent suggestion! Focus on the '''big''' topics and those you know best. I'll grant the French Wiki this, at least you have relative peace. Here on the En Wiki, we pay a high price for our embarassment of riches, in the form of almost constant edit warring and vandalism. It keeps things exciting...but also, at times unpleasant and discouraging. Many articles, which only need some expansion or improvement, end up deleted instead. I often think there are some here, who are out to deliberately dismantle an encylopedia rather than build one. Makes me wonder why I'm still around sometimes. But then I see occasional little gems of brillance and dedication and they remind me why I first feel in love with this place and project. A bientôt mon camarade!--] 02:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

== unsourced image ==

I know you are a pretty veteran user, so rather than posting an automated <nowiki>{{image source|Image:Tetrarch system.PNG}}</nowiki> notification, I'll just inform you that ] has no source. It's kind of hard to claim fair use, especially since a free alternative should be available, especially with a higher resolution, and there's well, no source. This makes it a likely chance to be a copyright violation. If you somehow have more information about the image and its license, please insert it in the image description tag. Otherwise, it faces deletion. Cheers! ] (]) 18:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

:The image you are referring to WAS deleted, after it was orphaned by Orphanbot. I found a lower-res copy on one of Wiki's mirrors and restored it. I do not know its original source. But it is 1) A very useful illustration of a subject which needs illustrating and 2) Is clearly being used in a fair manner. Perhaps you might help, by finding a better res copy, or improving the res on the existing one. Or at least recommend a better tag for it. Even veteran users get lost in the ever-changing maze of copyright tags. Thanks--] 00:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

:: Ah yes, but I think that fair use claim for this image is weak here; I think it should be deleted for good if we can't find an appropriate license. Fair use is usually invoked for living persons (the Roman Empire is dead) or historical things where the photographs for the people's or event's copyright hasn't expired yet; it will be eventually tagged for deletion if no alternative is provided. Perhaps I'll ask ] to make a free use alternative before I tag it; he's a good mapmaker, but he usually only does maps dealing with Chinese history. ] (]) 21:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::The resolution is weak, but I don't think the case for fair use is. Anyroad, please don't delete it, if and until, after your colleague has made a superior replacement. We need more good maps on the Wiki. But until we get them, any map is better than none.

BTW: {{userbox|#AABBAA|#DDEEDD|]|This user opposes ]s and the ].}} I agree with those sediments. It is a wrong-headed piece of corrupt legislation which only encourages Intellectual protectionism and ]s. Such laws demand challenge and defiance. Cheers--] 08:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

==Oh Yeah!==
Check this out, I think it's the first ever recorded case of Encyclopedia Dramatica being useful for something. <font color="#4682B4">]</font><font color="#00FF00">]</font><font color="#E32636">]</font> 13:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

:Oh that's just too damn funny...and too damn perfect...well almost. It needs is a redline through it and (mayhaps?) the Repub ref removed. After all there are a (very) few good ones left, who also refuse to drink the poision punch-mix and sacrifice principles to rigid, knee-jerk ideology. They should be welcomed.--] 02:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

== List ==

Dunno if you're aware of it but you're on ] of the 100 most edited user talk pages (see the Signpost ]). And this may help bump it up a space. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:Indeed....;-) ] (]) 12:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Indubitably. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 13:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Precisely. ] (]) 15:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::::So am I, in fact. Never would have thought that. =] &mdash;]<font color="green">]</font>] ] 18:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Me neither. A LOT of familar names on that. Scary how many of them I know (or at least know of). Some surprises too...for instance the number of edits on Jimbo's page is not in the tens of thousands, which I'd guesstimate, in fact it's not even close. It's a kinda dubious "honor" in a way. On the plus side it indicates a lot of interaction with the "community". On the minus side, it shows a lot of interaction with the community in lieu of actual article grunt work. But I accept it as part of the price of "popularity" and the joys of sadistic statistics:>--] 08:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

== Cimbrian War ==

Why did you revert the edits ''without comment''? The changes to the opening paragraph are ''valid'', as pointed out in the '''talk page''' - ] 19:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

:The reasoning behind the changes has been laid out on ], including the relevant section of the history of ] which points out the mistake in the old opening paragraph of the article. - ] 20:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

::You have my replies. And for the record, it is the CIMBRIAN war, not the Cambrian. You might also want to check the dates too.:)--] 20:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes - '''now''' I have your replies, and the discussion continues. For future reference, if you're going to do mass reverts ''without'' pissing off people who have put the time and effort into the editing, you might at least ''comment'' the revert, or put something in the talk page - ] 20:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

:And for the record, you could try assuming "Good Faith" for a change. In case you didnt notice I put a lot of work into that article also. I daresay, more than you. In fact, it did not even exist before I started it. So given that, I think asking for a mordicrum of good faith on your part is not being unreasonable. So please stop being .--] 21:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

==RFA Thanks==
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==Re.:Rfa==

I've seen things that would scare ],], ] when I was a kid, along with trigger happy morons. The ], which was initiated by the ]
(seen other evidence other than what is here in the Misplaced Pages article) is intended to make those who have had bizarre experiences, are interested in these matters look like idiots and fools. While I was travelling "Out West" as a ], people have flat out told me (polite) that '''IF''' there ''is'' alien contact at all, they'll ] for religious reasons, such as, "The Devil is after our souls and the govt. is working with Satan !" and/or out of ] for being made a fool of and/or a idiot, "insane", as persuant to the Robertson Panel protocol and that of the ]. One guy told me that if he saw something bizarre, that(polite) no one will make him out to be some kind of laughingstock, he'll shoot the accuser instead. Out West, disputes like that are settled in blood, by a shot in the dark or by gutting with a knife. I am '''no longer''' out there at all. It is amazing what kind of people you run into. ] 23:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC) ''':)'''

:Wow. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 10:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

::Reminds me of Liverpool at night....:-D ] (]) 17:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Truly amazing! ] | ] 18:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:I second that emotion. ML, you're blowin our minds here dude. But I tell you what, get your number of mainspace edits up, reapply in a few months and I'll support you then, if only for the sake of principle. "The Truth Is out there..."--[[User:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)|R.D.H. (Ghost In The
Machine)]] 19:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::By the way, while getting a $60,000 trailer fixed, I had found a UFO, and shot a pix of it while it was flying over a car dealership. It is now my terminal's Wall Paper. ] 22:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC) ''':)'''

::Hmm Trailer...UFO...Tornado. Always wondered why those words so often occur in such close proximity.--] 10:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

#Don't use abusive edit summaries.
#] is perfectly right; the quotations section was far too long, and belonged in Wikiquotes. Please don't insist on this. --] (]) 22:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I have just as much right to insist they be included as he does to exclude them. Deleting an entire, longstanding section from an article arbitraily is WRONG. We are supposed to be BUILDING a fucking encyclopedia here not dismantalling one. Besides, the Rommel collection on Wikiquotes is pathetic compared to this one. Also, I would ask you to keep any further discussion of this on the article's ].--] 22:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:#"Rights" have nothing to do with it. If you want to discuss the issue, do so &ndash; calmly and politely &ndash; on the Talk page, not via aggressive comments in edit summaries.
:#If you continue to show yourself unable to control your aggressive and abusive language in messages to other editors or in edit summaries, you risk being blocked from editing.
:#You have already violated the ] on this article; if you do so again, you will be blocked frome diting for twenty-four hours. --] (]) 23:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:Rights have everything to do with it. This is supposed to be a free, open encyclopedia. I have just as much right to edit it as you or anyone else. This is not vandalism but RESTORING quality content, removed for a questionable reason without discussion. Those who cannot come up with reasonable arguements spout policy. And the 3RR rule is one of the most abused, blunt insturnment policies on the entire project. If you want to abuse it further and block me for it then by all means do so. I was just starting to get back into the project again after a long period of disgust and disillusionment. A 24 hour block might be just what I need to quit it once and for all cold turkey.--] 23:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

My problem with that quotes section, which I brought up on the talk page a while back, is that it's basically unsourced. At one point people seemed to be quoting lines from the film ''Patton'', which bears a fairly tenuous relationship to the truth in many places, let alone the fact that the words were those of a Hollywood scriptwriter. Rather than moving to wikiquote, is there value in doing a purge on the unsourced lines and asking for people to provide a reference before they are returned? ]<font color="teal">]</font> 08:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

*Blocked 15 hours for 3RR and revert warring (3 hours of the 15 for incivil edit summaries). ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 09:57 ] <small>(])</small>

:I'm not sure I agree that, R.D.H. hasn't made an edit in over 8 hours. Blocks are meant to be preventative, not punitive. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 10:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

::In my view, he knew what he was doing when he did it. There's been a report at ], and I blocked as I don't see how he should be allowed to violate policy. No one should (and yes, I include Jimbo in this). You may unblock or lessen the block as you see fit, go ahead. ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 10:03 ] <small>(])</small>

I think that he hadn't made an edit in eight hours because, first, he'd gone to bed, and secondly, he'd got his own way for the moment. --] (]) 10:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

::'''''Can't sleep...<s>clowns<s> admins will eat me!'''''--] 08:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

:Bugger, I missed this message (I was looking at WP:AN/3RR) and I've just undone the block. In any case, I don't want to wheel war but I don't agree with the block. You can reinstate it if you like, but I think it would be best to take the discussion to the talk page and stop all the reverting. It's a pretty trivial matter really. ]<font color="teal">]</font> 10:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you once more Leithp. My continued participation in this project is currently hanging by threads...and you are holding one of them. The Rommel article is now off my watchlist. It can be AfDed for all I care.--] 08:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)




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== ] ==

Why did you remove the no source tag from this image? It does not, in fact, have a listed source, and you have still not provided one. ] 01:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
:Would you mind also providing a source for ]? Did you create it? Thanks. ] 01:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry about that..I will include the notes in the edit summeries. The Photo of King Gy of Nepal, is an AP release. The sign with the monkeys I presume is from a zoo somewhere. I have been using it as one of my sigs on various message forums for years. The Ulm campaign map, as I stated, is from an old, pre 1920 book, the title of which I cannot recall. If you can come up with better tags for them, please do so. Thanks,--] 19:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


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== My RFA ==

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== Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the Blemmys == == Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the Blemmys ==


Hey, Hi, How are you? I am writing for you advice regarding the ] page. It says, "Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the ]" But the Blemmys are mythical according to wikipedia. Can you help? ] 07:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Hey, Hi, How are you? I am writing for you advice regarding the ] page. It says, "Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the ]" But the Blemmys are mythical according to wikipedia. Can you help? ] 07:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


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::I've been skimming through your contribution history and noticed that you have been removing {nosource} tags without providing a source. Please do not do this, it is considered vandalism. I've gone through and retagged some of them. but I haven't done a thorough search. If there's any that I've missed then please go back and correct them. I'll do a more thorough search on a later date. ] 08:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

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An important public service announcement.

Welcome to my Talk page. "Discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me." --Dr. Hannibal Lecter, So please use rubber bullets, ok? ;> READY...AIM...FIRE AWAY!

But before you fire, do keep in mind I reserve the right to ignore and/or delete anything I regard as Spam, Trolling, Harassment or Vandalism. I want to be friendly and civil, don't give me reason to be otherwise. I may also be taking an extended break soon.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 22:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


Why??

What happened to make you add yourself to the former members list of Esperanza? If it's anything I can help with, be sure to let me know straight away! Best wishes KnowledgeOfSelf 11:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

It also appears that you are leaving most of your user affiliations, I hope there is nothing wrong! KnowledgeOfSelf 11:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello my friend! Thanks for taking an interest and apologies for my tardy response. I feel I cannot, in good conscious, continue as an Esperanza member. My recent conduct goes against what ESP is SUPPOSED to stand for. I make no excuses, but I do offer some explanations. Misplaced Pages today is not the same place I fell in love with last year. Collegiality and collaboration have become increasingly rare phenomenia. Confrontation and conflict are all too common commodities. I can no longer pretend to be drinking a virtual expresso and say its not getting worse. The reason why is simple...Growth. Misplaced Pages is a victim of its own success and is starting to collapse under its own weight. The current mechanisms for dispute resolution, mediation and participation are breaking down. As a result, the power structure is becoming more authoritarian, bureaucratic and arbitrary. It is getting to the point where I cannot engaging in simple edititing without getting harassed by twits and trolls, and threatened with RfCs and blocks. I'm willing to accept and admit my share of the blame, but not all of it. The Misplaced Pages community is increasingly at war with itself. I will either leave or if I stay I fear I will be increasingly drawn into it, in trying to defend what we have created here. In either case, my continued membership in Esperanza, which is a pacifist organization at its core, will be rendered void. But for what it's worth, outside of my beloved Military History Project, ESP has meant the most to me. Thank you again for your interest and offer. And please feel welcome to share this with the other members. Here's HOPING, that a time will come when the acidic smoke clears and we can go back to being a community of encyclopedists once more. Cheers, --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 19:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
You and me both, my friend. I wish more than anything to help cure the ills that you speak of, but it seems at times that my efforts are just used to fuel them. In any case, please remember that you'll always have people who respect you, regardless of where you are in things. Karmafist 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I direct you to your email for my response! KnowledgeOfSelf 13:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


Something for you...

I hereby present you with the Military history WikiProject Distinguished Service Award for your contributions to Misplaced Pages's coverage of the Napoleonic Wars. —Kirill Lokshin 04:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Bro. Not only for the award but for reminding me why I still bother to logon here.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 21:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


Peer review

So, how about being our first guinea pig? ;-) —Kirill Lokshin 22:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's do this;>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 22:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
SQUEEAK!--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 22:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the Blemmys

Hey, Hi, How are you? I am writing for you advice regarding the Nobatia page. It says, "Roman Emperor Diocletian to help defeat the Blemmys" But the Blemmys are mythical according to wikipedia. Can you help? Naerhu 07:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)