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Jobs' or Jobs's?

It would be great to agree what the proper possessive of the Steve's last name is, at least for the purpose of using it uniformly in this article. The article has been changed back and forth several times to reflect both forms. According to most respected authorities on grammar and style, the proper form should be Jobs's and not Jobs' (see here for specific sources: Apostrophe#Singular nouns ending with an "s" or "z" sound). The popular press has been known to use both versions (see the References section for examples of both), so it's not clear that one is clearly preferred to another, at least in popular use. But in any case, Misplaced Pages articles should reflect proper grammar, so I'm therefore inclined to follow authorities on grammar and style and use the form Jobs's. Any other opinions? cherkash (talk) 02:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

My copy of The Elements of Style says since it's a proper name, the possessive should be "Jobs's", although it does appear unwieldy to many. I can't lay my hands on my copy of the AP Style Guide, but I believe it says the same. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln) (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Most guides agree that there are only a small minority of exceptions to using 's after a name ending in s (one commonly cited one being Jesus'). Some say base it how you would pronounce it. For me, that means use Jobs's. Dicklyon (talk) 05:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

"Some say base it how you would pronounce it." For me that would be Jobs'. Honestly, in all the English classes I've taken, I've been told it's sacrilege to ever put 's after something ending in s, especially a name. The common reference was that it was always Jesus' not Jesus's and is always pronounced "Jesus," not "Jesuses." However, as Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln) noted above, Strunk writes that it should be 's after a name ending in s, except for ancient names such as Jesus, in which case it would be Jesus'.]
In other words, Jobs's is technically correct and it shouldn't be written how it sounds. (I'm used to hearing Jobs' not Jobs's.) The Haz _talk 20:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

You should compare what you remember hearing with what actual guides say. Maybe you'll learn that you remember it wrong, which is actually a fairly common problem. Some books: , , , . Dicklyon (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Its Jobs'. If you have a spell check on your computer like I do, notice all the red underlines under Jobs's, when you type it. That should have been the first clue.--JOJ 20:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

That would be the correct plural possessive of the generic term "job". Spelling checkers are not clever enough to understand what's a name and what's a generic. Dicklyon (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

This was changed in the article even though there isn't any consensus here, so I went ahead and changed it back. All of my english classes in high school and college have told me that Jobs' is correct and Jobs's is incorrect. Could this possibly be a British English vs American English issue? Jeancey (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Innovative Tribute for the Man Who Changed Everything

On October 13th, a college student, Brenda Melgar, performed a tribute speed painting of legendary Steve Jobs. She did so on a 4ft x 4ft canvas in a span of 25 minutes at the University of Houston. The young student's Time-Lapsed Video is part of a class project for her entrepreneurship class. Regarding why she decided to paint Steve Jobs, Melgar stated, "As a future entrepreneurship student, I find Steve Jobs' willingness to overcome any obstacle highly admirable. I decided to pay tribute to him in an artistic form because he is proof that you can do what you love and be successful."

(Bmmelgar (talk) 06:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC))

Pointing out the obvious

Do we really need to have "Steven Paul "Steve" Jobs" at the start of the lede, with emphasis at the "Steve" part? Is it really hard for readers to figure out that:

1. "Steve" is a shortening of Steven, and that
2. He is commonly called Steve, as shown in the article title two centimetres above?

Unlike Bill Clinton (William Jefferson Blythe III/Clinton) and Bill Gates (William Henry Gates III), where some people may not be aware that "Bill" is a shortening of William, it's quite obvious as to where "Steve" comes from. Is it really necessary to point out the bleeding obvious? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 07:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes. What you must remember is that there are many people out there without brains who must be spoonfed. And people who are learning the english language. Akjar13 (talk) 14:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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The line " The case is the subject of active criminal and civil government investigations " should actually be

" The case was the subject of active criminal and civil government investigations "

Andyscott12 (talk) 17:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done mabdul 19:51, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

On what evidence? Presumably any personal criminal case might be closed with him gone, but a civil case would likely keep going, against his estate, no? Or was there some news on case closures that we can cite? Dicklyon (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

I think that the Infobox picture for Steve Jobs should be changed from its current version to this version: Steve Jobs Memorial Picture. Does anyone know the licensing information behind this picture?

The reason I think the article change to that photo is because most of the wikipedia articles for other prominent historical engineers/scientists has an official portrait. Look at the articles for , , and .

Anyone else agree that this article should have a more professional portrait rather than a random snapshot?

Mar2194 (talk) 02:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

It should, so long as the replacement can be freely used on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately, I am currently unable to check the picture you have provided, but I support the idea. Akjar13 (talk) 09:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Please see the discussion of the infobox picture at Talk:Steve Jobs/Archive 2#Proposal to change infobox image. The image proposed, , is a cropped version of an image from an Apple.com webpage that has been repeatedly deleted from Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia Commons as a copyright violation. -- Rrburke (talk) 20:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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Steve Job's respect comes through in DJ KRΦSS's recent Steve Jobs Tribute track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=texBm4kKQfE

needs to be added to the post life section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.91.75 (talk) 05:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

✗ Not doneThis type of tribute is the sort that has been the subject of much discussion on the page. The consensus was that only a few would be mentioned, and those would only be the ones who knew Jobs really well. These are already on there. You could however, make a page for DJ KRΦSS and mention his tribute there. Akjar13 (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Accumulation and dedication of merits and for Steve Jobs

Accumulation and dedication of merits and for Steve Jobs, May he is blessed for his future path… We hope you could help to forward this article, let us help him to send this message out…

Regardless what product, say iMac, iPod, iPhone or iPad, These are just a DEVICE (tools that we need in life) but these are not Our Life! Everyone should go back to their life. Oh Children! Please go back to your beloved parents, live your dutiful life to your parents; Oh Young People! Please go back to the goals you used to have, strive and learn, to create a more meaningful, prosperous and harmonious future; Let us all go back to our duties we have in our life.

Steve Jobs dedicated his life in designing multi-functional tools for all, it has become a very useful tool for people in different level and different field, but these are not our life, these are just tools to make our life easier. We should be grateful to him (Steve Jobs’ inventions).Use these tools (iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad) wisely (i.e, to help others and ourselves, to save time and space), but also know when to put it aside, and go back to our family, friends & mother nature; back to our human life, don’t live in regrets in our later years because we didn’t live our life to the fullest. From we don’t know why are we born, we live on and not sure of what we want.

Even if you are using other devices, we sincerely hope that all can help in this accumulating and dedication of merits to Steve Jobs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.134.217.65 (talk) 10:42, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what? If this is mere praise or criticism this is irrelevant and will be deleted. If this is a form of edit request, please make it clear. Akjar13 (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request from , 20 October 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} His birth name was Abdul Latif Jandali; what you listed is his adoptive name

209.86.226.30 (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

References please. Materialscientist (talk) 23:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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