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| :::<blockquote>"Hi there, and sorry for the delay in responding to this. If this discussion was limited to the original article in the complaint, then I would attempt to find a compromise here, but there seems to be a history of dispute between the two editors involved, and the general issues seem to span a wide range of articles. For these reasons I think this dispute is likely outside the scope of this noticeboard. I agree with EdJohnston and T. Canens' comments over at the arbitration enforcement thread that the articles Chezdovi is editing don't appear to be directly related to his topic ban, but I think that carrying on these two discussions in parallel would not be very efficient."</blockquote> | :::<blockquote>"Hi there, and sorry for the delay in responding to this. If this discussion was limited to the original article in the complaint, then I would attempt to find a compromise here, but there seems to be a history of dispute between the two editors involved, and the general issues seem to span a wide range of articles. For these reasons I think this dispute is likely outside the scope of this noticeboard. I agree with EdJohnston and T. Canens' comments over at the arbitration enforcement thread that the articles Chezdovi is editing don't appear to be directly related to his topic ban, but I think that carrying on these two discussions in parallel would not be very efficient."</blockquote> | ||
| :::So DR is not an option. In six months time, when consensus is gained to add Palestine to a rabbinical bio and Debresser removes it, please advise me what action I shall take. ] (]) 23:02, 5 November 2011 (UTC) | :::So DR is not an option. In six months time, when consensus is gained to add Palestine to a rabbinical bio and Debresser removes it, please advise me what action I shall take. ] (]) 23:02, 5 November 2011 (UTC) | ||
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If I left a post on your talk page...
Please answer there. I'll see it, no worries.
Ban in spite of consensus?
I asked at RFC: What term should be used to designate the country of people who were from the region of what is today called "Israel and the Palestinian territories" from Antiqity, thru to the Middle Ages and up to 1948? this was the response:</ br> Palestine:
- 1. GHcool: "The correct term is "Palestine." I don't remember exactly when it began being called by that name, but it ceased being called by that name in 1948. I agree with Chesdovi.
- 2. Oncenawhile: "I agree with Chesdovi too. It would save everyone a lot of unnecessary debate if we could solve this once and for all. The articles Time periods in the Palestine region and History of the name Palestine show well that Palestine is the only name used consistently throughout history pre-1948."
- 3. Wiki_Khalil: "If your talking about 1000-586 BCE or after 1948 May 14-15, call it Israel. Otherwise I would refrain from calling it Israel."
- 4. Pudge MclameO: "I would have to agree that the most commonly used name would appear to be Palestine or small variations thereof. Might as well just use Palestine then."
- 5. Dweller: "For much of recorded history (ie post biblical, until 1948), the correct term must be "Palestine"."
- 6. Macrakis: "What's wrong with "Akiva ben Joseph was a Jewish sage in Roman Palestine"?
- 7. In ictu oculi: "there's no reason why 70CE-1948 Category:Rabbis from Palestine couldn't be used."
- 8. FormerIP: "Use of "Palestine" should be consistent with the use of any other geographic description. That means, in general, that the OP is correct that "Palestine" is the correct term from the Hellenic era onwards."
- 9. Cerejota: "Depends on the time period, as noted by Chesdovi's own list, so I am inclined to take a case-by-case view."
- 10. Chesdovi: Palestine.
RS
- CarolMooreDC: "Generally speaking for all historical articles, doesn't it depend on what the various WP:RS for the various historical periods call it? "
Land of Israel
- Debresser: But the term "Land of Israel" has one reason to be preferred in articles about Jews, and that is that it has been the term by which they have traditionally referred to this area themselves. Jews, through all ages, have called this area "Eretz Israel".
Based on this consensus, I added Palestine to Israel ben Meir di Curiel, and now I am topic banned from using the word? Why? Chesdovi (talk) 21:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Not at all. You have been both topic and interaction banned owing to your behaviour (which I dare say, having reviewed it and being mostly unaware of you before you were blocked, has been awful), moreover given that you were already topic banned under ARBPI. You have not been topic banned for your editorial outlook, but for how you dealt (mostly) with the other editor and yes, as such, I do see a consensus for the bans. Let other editors handle this for six months and when the ban is up, gather consensus for what you want to do and if another editor tries to stir things up, follow WP:DR. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. I went to DR twice. Here is what was stated the second time:
"Hi there, and sorry for the delay in responding to this. If this discussion was limited to the original article in the complaint, then I would attempt to find a compromise here, but there seems to be a history of dispute between the two editors involved, and the general issues seem to span a wide range of articles. For these reasons I think this dispute is likely outside the scope of this noticeboard. I agree with EdJohnston and T. Canens' comments over at the arbitration enforcement thread that the articles Chezdovi is editing don't appear to be directly related to his topic ban, but I think that carrying on these two discussions in parallel would not be very efficient."
- So DR is not an option. In six months time, when consensus is gained to add Palestine to a rabbinical bio and Debresser removes it, please advise me what action I shall take. Chesdovi (talk) 23:02, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Not at all. You have been both topic and interaction banned owing to your behaviour (which I dare say, having reviewed it and being mostly unaware of you before you were blocked, has been awful), moreover given that you were already topic banned under ARBPI. You have not been topic banned for your editorial outlook, but for how you dealt (mostly) with the other editor and yes, as such, I do see a consensus for the bans. Let other editors handle this for six months and when the ban is up, gather consensus for what you want to do and if another editor tries to stir things up, follow WP:DR. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Courtesy notice
WP:AE#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Debresser. T. Canens (talk) 16:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)