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AngBot

What script are you using to revert vandalism. WP has had a couple fairly big attacks in the last couple of days with a user replacing pages with an image. Do you have a script that I could use that would revert all pages with the said image / edit summary quickly, we had aprox a 400 edit vandalbot in the span of 5 min and a bout would be very very useful. Thanks Tawker 05:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not using any script. AngBot is just a really old thing that one worked on the Chinese Misplaced Pages. It was using the pywikipedia framework, but it probably doesn't work with this version of MediaWiki. I've lost all details of how it ever worked, but you could try contacting Andre Engels who designed it. Angela. 05:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

New User Thanks!

I have a question about the rules around entries in the ?References? and/or ?External Links? section of an article. In the case of the Natasha Demkina article, there are many references to the same csicop.org website that goes against Natasha, but no links that support her. There are several websites that provide a critique of the CSICOP/CSMMH investigation on the csicop.org site which I would like to have included as references to provide counterpoint to the CSICOP claims.

There's not necessary one correct answer. Misplaced Pages:External links and Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources give some advice, but if someone is contesting the link, you should go through the process explained at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. Perhaps seeking a Third opinion would help? Angela. 10:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Angela. I was hoping there might be a hard and fast rule that outlined what a "personal website or blog" was, versus a site hosted by a "reputable and verifiable" entity, such as a university. Sounds like I'll just have to go through the Wiki process to find out.

In case you're interested, I added the link and a detailed explanation of why it is a valid entry.. ] Dreadlocke 22:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

As an aside, the particular poster who disagrees with me has a personal stake in keeping the critics of the investigation out of sight, so much so that he not only insults and attacks those that disagree with him (including two editors who tried to bring NPOV to the article), but accuses almost everyone (including Misplaced Pages) of Libel, and has made threats to publish negative articles against Misplaced Pages. Evidently he sent private messages to one of the editors that contained insults and threats. A very volatile individual. That's actually how I found your name; some advice to one of the editors who was receiving the threatening private emails was to contact you or Jimbo. User_talk:KeithTyler#Natasha_Demkina Thanks for the advice! Dreadlocke 20:10, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I think better advice would e to go through the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution process. Angela. 08:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's me

Confirming my identity on IRC. WikiFanatic 08:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page. --Nlu (talk) 07:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Meetup

Thanks, Miss, for informing us about the meetup.See you soon (This user, Tdxiang has left Misplaced Pages). Tan DX 09:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:CHAT

Oops. That must have been an older version of the article. The only change should have been the URL of the CGI chat at Yossman and the channels subsection. At least the new red box for the outdated page warning is more clear. BTW, thanks for clearing up the licence for my WP banner. --LBMixPro 04:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hindi

So you know some Hindi? If yes, its great! In India people are forgetting Hindi as fast as anything. Cygnus_hansa 22:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry but I can't read Hindi. Angela. 14:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

RFC ? Concurrent changes and some censorship on the pages for Rotary International in all langages

Good morning, I used to write to the French moderator, I now I write you.

I am NOT really a Rotary Club fan. I introduced since one month some criticism to Rotary International structure and actions. What I notice, which is very strange, is that some similar and parallel reactions on the different languages of the Misplaced Pages related to Rotary International (negative) changes I added, happened about at the same time. I had the strong attack in EN on the Rotary by a Turkish wikipedian who was announcing on his personal page (some mistake I suppose) that he was a Rotarian. I had wrappings in French, in Spanish, in Swedish, etc. (NL, FR, EN, SV, DA).

For example, I introduced Augusto Pinochet as a Rotarian (honorary) and it was about at the same time either withdrawed, either flooded in a full list of Rotarians(now happening in FR as it happened in EN). Some logos were withdrawed or moved, and more of all, before my arrival for that criticism I introduced, I noted that the text was always the same, presenting Rotary international with same words in about all langages.

It is actually again the same on the Indonesian version, as it was in English in january. I was mailed about "Misplaced Pages fiddling". I do not translate that expression (French speaking, I am Belgian), but I supposed that it is some use of Misplaced Pages for propaganda.

I have a question to you : is the use of an RFC on that subject appropriate to ask to the community to expand the facts on the Rotary pages and avoid fiddling ? I am not sure to understand the use of an RFC. Thank you for your answer. For example, I would ask if the use of the Rotary logo (which was in some langages withdrawed or moved from left to right) can be restored. In some langages, it disappeared. Same for Paul Harris pictures. For me the use of Paul Harris pictures, even with criticism, is compliant to the 'fair use'.

My name is Pierre Larcin, my id's on NL, EN and FR are PierreLarcin3 PierreLarcin2 and PierreLarcin1. my mail is pierre.larcin@ifrance.com. Have a good week-end. PierreLarcin2 03:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

An RfC would be better if there was an actual dispute going on. If not, perhaps you would find Misplaced Pages:Peer review more helpful. Angela. 08:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a little impatient...

...but I asked your boy friend Tim a few days ago if he could rename a few namespaces on li: and create one new (see User talk:Tim Starling#By the way...). His contributions, however, have ceased a few days ago. Maybe you can point this out to him :-)? Regards, Caesarion 11:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

He's aware of it. Have you considered submitting an updated language file to MediaZilla: instead? Angela. 12:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Erm... I'm not that technical, but I thought things like these could only be done by developers? If not, well, we should fix the problems ourselves, of course... Anyway, thanks for your suggestion, I'll see how it works. Caesarion 20:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ta bu shi da yu 2

I posted this on User talk:Jimbo Wales, but if you can comment as a member of the Foundation, that would be good too.

Hi, could you please comment on this RfC? User:Ta bu shi da yu seems to feel that you have somehow given him carte blanche to speedy delete images out of process, without giving any evidence of you having done so. I am highly involved in fair use issues on this wiki, so I'm quite surprised that I hadn't heard anything or, if there was anything, that no-one would let me know. Thanks, JYolkowski // talk 22:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I've replied at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment/Ta bu shi da yu 2. Angela. 23:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Respectfully, I must disagree

You wrote that issues with my speedy deletions are not an issue for the Board. I must disagree: might I point out that it will be the Board who will have to deal with legal issues if someone sues Wikimedia for copyright violations. Inaction from the Board on this issue could be detrimental to Misplaced Pages and all related projects. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, have taken your advise and made an amendment to Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria. See Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria/Amendment. I am no policy maven, whether this is the right/wrong way of proposing the amendment I don't know. If I could get your assistance on making this happen, that would be great. Thanks Angela! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I've commented at Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use criteria/Amendment. Angela. 02:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Malayalam Wikisource

Hello Angela,

I'm Raj Nair, currently a sysop with Malayalam Misplaced Pages. In past few months Malayalam wikipedia community has witnessed growth in participation level in Wiki and more awareness among malayalam speaking people about wiki. We have been running campaigns to promote Misplaced Pages through blogs and public forums/groups, through out our programs there were requests for a Wikisource domain in Malayalam. I've made a request for new domain here. Recently votings were concluded and requests are now considered official. There was already a long waiting for Wikisource domain among malayalam speakers, before it kills community enthusiasm we would like to have wikisource domain for malayalam. I tried to contact wikimedia admins in IRC, so that I could request them to speed up the process. Unfortunately that didn't worked. I request you on behalf of Malayalam wikipedia community to take earliest action to allot wikisource domain for malayalam. Thanks in advance! - Peringz 17:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I've emailed Brion about this. Angela. 02:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me more?

Can you tell me more about this edit? The file "Image:Without staccato.ogg" had, in fact, not yet been deleted ... but I just requested it be speedied because it was a MS windows executable and not a media file. I have not yet determined if it is malicious. I'll go ahead and record audio to replace the two files, but I'm curious as to what got your attention on the page and why you believed the files were incorrectly deleted? --Gmaxwell 04:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I have continued the thread on my talk page. --Gmaxwell 05:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I too am confused

You have confused me as well with this edit. Please explain. --69.232.218.27 05:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I've replied at User talk:Gmaxwell#Staccato. Angela. 05:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Help!

How do I kick off the vote on Misplaced Pages:Fair use criteria/Amendment? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, have listed this there. I can wait, but I'd like to kick of the vote because to be honest, Jimbo has kind of already shown he's not really opposed to deleting obvious copyright violations or abuse of fair use on sight. It would be nice to have this in the policy. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment on AllyUnion's talk page

Hi Angela, I saw you said "you can't block a deletion bot" . I'm not sure I understand what you mean - why can't people block bots? Talrias (t | e | c) 17:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Because if the bot actually deletes something that means it's an administrator... last I checked sysop bit set accounts can go right on deleting while they are blocked. It would seem to me to be somewhat odd to block inactive bots for people we can contact... would it not be better to desysop inactive admins whom we can no longer contact? --Gmaxwell 18:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see what she means. Actually, the ability for admins to delete (as well as protect and rollback) is now restricted when an admin is blocked. See bug 3801. Talrias (t | e | c) 17:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

That's interesting. I hadn't realise that had been fixed. Angela. 01:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You're famous!

I just noticed you have an article. That's me being slow for you... Now I can add someone else to my list of people met, stalked or stood in same room as! -- Francs2000 22:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do. I tried to list it for deletion last April, but without success. Angela. 01:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

International Women's Day

Thanks. :) Angela. 09:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

SSDI

The inclusion of the Q&A from Allsupinc.com is by permission. How do I note this in the material?? Thanks MarkSutherland. 08:40, 8 March 2006

Have they given permission for it to be released under the GFDL or just permission for it to be used on Misplaced Pages? Only the former is acceptable, and you should send an email to confirm their permission to permission@wikimedia.org. Angela. 21:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Sesotho adminship

how do I become an admin? Only so I can do some real work on the Sesotho Wikiped. It'll need lots of work to fix all the psuedo Setswana content. I know I probably don't qualify for adminship but the st wikipedia is heading in a dangerous direction and I feel that the fact that I'm probably the only competent Sesotho speaking person on wikiped means I should have the power to turn it around. Please help me out. Reply on my talk page. User:ZyXoas 19:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to be an admin to edit there and improve the Sesotho Misplaced Pages. I'd suggest you just start editing and then after a while, you can apply for adminship at meta:requests for permissions or on your local wiki if there is any community there. Angela. 13:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

DW sockpuppet

Angela, the possibility has been raised that Ted_Wilkes (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) is a sockpuppet of User:DW. I find this plausible, and have (along with others) posted some evidence at AN/I. Given your long-term involvement with this case, you are invited to comment. Thanks. Chick Bowen 22:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Didn't that already go through arbitration? I've not been involved enough recently to comment on AN/I about this. Angela. 00:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you raise your hands for me?

Hi Angela,

Can you please speak some words for me here. I don't find anyone else to stand up and support growing wikipedias like ours. Thank you. :-Manjithkaini 05:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps someone from the malayalam wiki would be better able to do that. I'll talk to Anthere anyway. Angela. 00:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Rules on other Wikipedias

I know that you have already been bothered several times with this question and that the general answer to the question is that the other Wikipedias should design and introduce themselves the rules. I understand that this is motivated by the differences in cultures and by the fact that different stages of social development of Misplaced Pages projects require different arrangements. However, there are certain rules that are not questioned at all (GFDL licence for the Misplaced Pages text content for instance). My question concerns something that in my opinion is a general set of rules applicable to all the pedia projects, but has not been stated explicitely on the Polish Misplaced Pages. Namely, there are three content introduction rules on the English Misplaced Pages: WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR. Do the general principles behind the three rules hold on other Misplaced Pages projects? alx-pl D 16:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think these principles do hold true on all the projects, or should do. However, they are open to interpretation, especially the verifiability one. For example, it's only fairly recently that the English Misplaced Pages has started enforcing this through the Cite sources policy. The WP:NOR one comes from the fact that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and original research wouldn't fit in with that. Have you seen Misplaced Pages:Five pillars? Angela. 00:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

A Renewed Request

I am renewing my request to have the InuYasha wikicity taken down. Contribution is spotty at best, there are already other websites dedicated to this purpose, and there is no way to regulate copyright infringement. It's been just about a year now. I am viewing this as a mistake, and I am trying to rectify it. -Litefantastic 01:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll send you an email about this. Angela. 01:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Large-scale vandalism?

Hello Angie. Something truly weird has happened to the Sesotho (st) Misplaced Pages. Have you any idea whom (or what) is using IP 88.106.224.231? Entire articles, User pages, and even the Main Page were seemingly blanked on the 10 of March. Weren't these users watching their user pages, or was the st Wikiped even more dead than I had initially thought?
Although I would love it if you would, I won't explicitly ask you to respond on my talk page because I'm afraid user EssJay might again construe this as "repeated personal attacks" and block my IP for another 24 hours. However, if I don't see a message from you on my talk page within the next few hours I'll unilaterally revert the changes on the Wikiped. User:ZyXoas 20:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

help with breast implant topic

Angela,

I had recently done a great deal of contributing and editing to the topic of breast implants here on wikipedia. This is an area I'm familiar with as a Physician and FDA investigator for silicone-gel implants. Someone named "JGLAW" is high-jacking the content which was pretty reflective of both the US & world literature on the topic (which I know and have to inform patients on almost daily) into a fringe political area which has largely been dismissed by the medical community. There are some concerns which should be highlighted, but it's turned into a personal cause for her (apparently she had gel implants prior and is now a crusader against them) ensure that a distorted and sensational overview is preserved.

I noticed you had reverted one of her edits today which is why I've approached you like this. She's staked out a position that seems will not compromise for what is the mainstream view. Do you have advice?

Droliver Droliver 05:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted it because it looked like someone was blanking large sections without explanation which seemed like vandalism. Have you tried to discuss the issue on the talk page. See Misplaced Pages:dispute resolution for some advice. Angela. 01:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks with the Sesotho wikiped. To tell you the truth, I now realise that I've actually forgotten how to make reverts (I doubt it's because I'm not logged in). I don't know where I got that IP from - maybe it was a wiki bug (I've seen worse), or perhaps it's simply proof that I need to stop going to sleep at 2 in the morning! Again, thanks for responding on my talk page; I hope they don't block you for violating wiki policy, or something... User:ZyXoas 07:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

See Help:Reverting. Angela. 01:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Hi, I was wondering if you could catch me on IRC. I know you are very busy but I want to sort the vandal channel mess as soon as possible. --Cool Cat 23:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I have nothing to do with the vandal channel. As I already suggested, if you want your own channel, it is very simply to make a new one. Just join a channel of a new name and type /msg chanserv register password. There's no need to fight over access to a channel other people are using for something else. Angela. 01:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You do not understand. According to Lilo I need to talk to you as wikipedia foundation owns the channel (again according to Lilo). Fennc gave away my channel to essjay. I started that channel for my bot.

The code does not allow me to do that easily. In order to do as you suggest Id need to register 15+ channels and move the access list as well as instruct tens of people to join the new channel.

I could spend a week rewriting the bots for exeptios for en but that would make the bot lag and use a decent amount extra cpu.

Please assist. --Cool Cat 02:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Can't you do a simple search and replace for the channel names? You don't need to register channels to use them. A lot of other people are using the bots in the current channel, so it isn't fair just to expect them to move. I don't know what the issue is with you using the channel, but I suggest you try to sort this out with the people using it, or just go to a different channel. Angela. 03:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Whats not fair is the ownership of my channel handed over to Essjay as after all I spent weeks organising the channel and creating the bot running there. People in the channel are using pgkbot which is heavly based on my bot.

My bot operates on these channels:

• #wikimedia-meta-vandalism
• #wikipedia-pl-vandalism
• #wikipedia-pt-vandalism
• #wikipedia-de-vandalism
• #wikinews-en-vandalism
• #wikibooks-en-vandalism
• #wiktionary-en-vandalism
• #wikipedia-tr-vandalism
• #wikipedia-it-vandalism
• #wikipedia-es-vandalism
• #wikipedia-bg-vandalism
• #wikipedia-ja-vandalism
• #wikipedia-fr-vandalism

I am not suggesting people move, on the contrary I prefer people stay. pgkbot was always active on #wikipedia-en-vandlism2 before I and my bot was banned off of the channel. It only acted as a backup bot.

Essjay is the law on #wikipedia-en-vandalism and he isnt cooperating nor does he need to as he was given the ownership of my channel during the swithch from #en.wikipedia.vandalism to #wikipedia-en-vandalism

I came here because I cant sort this out with essjay as he absurdly banned me from the channel and removed my access

--Cool Cat 22:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Islam

You reverted right before me! (Just felt like pointing out).Voice-of-All 08:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

<snip>

Thanks, but is it possible to have a link to it rather than the whole thing on my talk page? Angela. 04:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Advice

Hello, I'm an active member and an admin on a maturing Misplaced Pages. I came to ask for advice with a problem that started to occur in this phase of our growth. I'm not very active on en:, so I don't know how you solve it here. I need rather a personal advice than a wiki-scope advice with this.

We don't get much vandalism so far and it's been easy to cope with so far. Recently, another kind of vandalism started to take place - it's a registered editor including POV and non-encyclopedic info. Most of us, active members including me are not interested in the topic (history) and don't interfere with the content added. The others are not bold enough just to delete it. We have repeatedly pointed out "What Misplaced Pages is not" guidelines, but he seems to ignore them stating Misplaced Pages is a 💕 (and he can add whatever he wants). This person has not been rude, but he's been repeatedly ignorant of the guidelines. This may an oversimplification of our situation. Should we just block him? Or lose our time again discussing where he won't take consensus or guidelines into consideration? He's likely to return as a sockpuppet or anonymous editor (he's thought to have done that before). There seem to more instances of a case similiar to this one. Thanks for any advice. ~~helix84 23:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there someone who could mediate with him? I'd suggest trying to teach him what he should be doing before just blocking him, but if he's set on adding POV then it might not help. Perhaps people on that wiki need to be forceful about removing bad edits, even in topics they're not interested in. Angela.

Just to say hello

I just came to say hello, and thanks for helping me sometime back by giving advice about copyright problems of Mahuri. I had seen User:Angela/What Misplaced Pages is not earlier, and today I recorded my formal thanks there. Thanks again - let us continue to build the best encyclopedia of human history. --Bhadani 17:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

:) Angela.

respond to help desk question?

Hi - Can I interest you in responding to Misplaced Pages:Help_desk#Will It continue to be free ?? Seems like something you could authoritatively clarify. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you've already answered it. The GFDL means the content can never be made unfree. Angela. 04:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I intended to draw a distinction between GFDL (which guarantees the content can never be made unfree, in the sense that anyone can copy it) from the potential that wikipedia.org might eventually become a "pay" site. As far as I know, the board has no intention of ever turning wikipedia.org into a pay site but I don't know if there is anything in the by-laws that would prevent it. I was hoping you could clarify that it is at least the board's current intent to keep wikipedia.org permanently free (even though I'm not sure there can be any real guarantee about this). -- Rick Block (talk) 05:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I'll add something to clarify. Angela. 06:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you do me a favour please?

I am on wikibreak at the moment, because wikipedia stress should not be higher than real life stress. I will return soon and when I do, I no longer wish to have bureaucrat abilities on English Misplaced Pages. Could you please pass the message on to an appropriate developer that I wish to have these abilities revoked. I'm coming to you because I trust you, and because my previous experience of trying to contact developers has met with little success. Thank you. -- Francs2000 12:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I knew I could rely on you! -- Francs2000 12:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)