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Do you have a source?

Do you have a source? I nearly just removed it, but in view of your extensive editing of similar topics, I thought I would ask first... thanks!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Jimbo. You know it's really, really great to hear directly from you. Just fabulous. I'm about to add reference to the article, but here is the direct quote from Robert Plant himself:

"Great Britain- it's been five glorious days... and if you see Denis Healey... tell him we've gone". - Led Zepplelin: The 'Tight But Loose' Files; Celebration 2 By Dave Lewis

Plant had sarcastically dedicated "In my time of dying" to Healey for the tax exile and related problems the band was facing. It's a well-known event in the history of Zep, and also mentioned on the song's article, so I considered adding it to Denis Healey's article.

Again, you're doing great work, sir! I'm one of your biggest fans... This fact, I hope, doesn't need a source :-) Best Regards and Greetings, Scieberking (talk) 13:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

• - Book ref - Led Zepplelin: The 'Tight But Loose' Files; Celebration 2 - By Dave Lewis - here - text - Page 39 - During those shows (Earls Court) Plant threw in more than one barbed comment regarding their upcoming forced exile, "Somebody voted for someone and now everybody's on the run, You know Dennis (Healey, then Chancellor of the Exchequer) ,,,no artist left in the country anymore, he must be Dazed and Confused! Led Zeppelin played their final night at Earls Court on Sunday May 25, 1975. Plant commenting, "This is our last concert in England for some considerable time. Still their is always the Eighties." His parting shot was equally to the point, "If you see Dennis Healey tell him we've gone!" The nest day Plant and his wife Maureen flew to Agadir.... Page 34 ...at the close of a thrilling "In My Time of Dying". and keeping up his Healey references with a "bye bye Dennis" in the song's close. - Page 35 - Great Britain - it's been five glorious days,,, and if you see Dennis Healey,,, tell him we've gone - Robert Plant May 25, - Copied from the book for educational purposes please be aware of copyright if republishing - ... They flew out as tax exiles a few days later he was in a pretty bad car crash with his wife and children, broke his leg I think and his wife was pretty badly injured, fractured skull broken pelvis - changed his life the tax exile issue did, recuperated in Jersey (the Island) and moved to the states, Malibu. - San Fransisco Candy Store Rock - I think it wasn't until Knebworth 1979 that they appeared in the UK again. The video of the dazed and confused where he mentions Dennis at the start is here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKZRcYkaEag&feature=related - Off2riorob (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Rob. Hope you doing great. I've already used this reference, and in fact there's another one on "LZ-'75: THE LOST CHRONICLES OF LED ZEPPELIN'S 1975 AMERICAN TOUR MUSIC AND BANDS" by Stephen Davis. Regards, Scieberking (talk) 15:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well done for that. Yea, I am doin fine, thank you. Off2riorob (talk) 15:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, Scieberking how you doing ? I'm fine. I think I might of started something. I reverted Indopug edits yesterday at Led Zeppelin but, I think we can make this a WP:MOS or something for all infamous band articles, see Led Zeppelin#Trivia. I see you"ve already been hard at work at Zeppelin, Cool, there is a lot of band pages with the same issues. Mlpearc powwow 15:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I'm doing good. Thanks a bunch and I'd love to work on other articles, too. Greetings. Scieberking (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of best-selling music artists

I have a suggestion posted at Talk:List of best-selling music artists. Your thoughts would be appreciated.--Harout72 (talk) 20:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, it feels good to be appreciated :).--Harout72 (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

You deserved it well. Cheers. Scieberking (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Led Zeppelin

We came to a conclusion on how to treat the info box a couple of weeks ago. We had about 5 people in the discussion and all but one agreed on the policy and the rationale of the decision. I understand that you weren't there, but please, please don't change the article while the discussion is ongoing. Now, we basically have one extremely disruptive editor and you arguing against a conclusion reached a few weeks ago. I am not saying that you won't win this discussion, but can we please agree on a fair process, instead of just continually reverting? Let's start a new section and make our arguments again, and give the several editors who weighed in on this last time an opportunity to be heard again. I don't see why this needs to devolve into an edit war.LedRush (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello LedRush. Hope you're doing great. It's not about winning a discussion but the points made by other parties were really, really lame, and I really think I can easily overthrow them. Also, Greatorangepumpkin has withdrawn his support in favor of the old order of genres. I'd be happy to quit the discussion if you want me to. After all, it's not a big issue at all. Regards, Scieberking (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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Ra.One

Hey Scieberking, hope you heard that Ra.One is considered for peer review. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Off-course it needs to be copy edited, and will request after some days. "Analysis" section is all dependent on Ankit, I have no clue what that's all about, but I m helping out Ankit in getting sources for that. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 10:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks alot for your valuable contributions. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 12:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Analysis

The analysis section is meant for a more balanced view. I haven't yet completed all the facts about pre-release hype, expectations, etc. Post-release is still yet to come. Don't worry, though I really liked Ra.One, I'm not going to withhold the truht. However, I don't think it should be labelled "Success", it is a hit. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 12:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Lugnuts

I'm sorry to ask you this, but are you familiar or have worked with Lugnuts previously in any article? I have no idea why he is acting so prickly and bruised and arrogant with me when I asked him to peer review Ra.One. I think the miserable failure of the Co-ordinator election of WP:Film, hit him really hard. Is he always like that? His attitude sounds most unpleasant, and he's dragged me into silly controversies yet again. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 11:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

GAN

I have nominated Ra.One for a GAN. Just giving you the news. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 14:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure thing. And btw, how come you found out about the spamming part? AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 16:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

LOL dude! AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 17:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Apology

Hey, I apologize for adding that without seeing the consensus. Thanks for pointing it out. Secret of success 16:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Ra.One status

Hey. Regarding Ra.One hit or flop status, see this. Most distributors have recovered money with the exception of 2 territories - Central Punjab, Central India. In addition, Eros has earned 20 crore from the film. In view of this, I doubt we can call Ra.One as just average. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 12:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey, many films recover their cost. But what I think is that we must go as per source says, and not our research. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

This isn't "our" research. It is published by Box Office India, whose accuracy regarding these matters is perfect. They have stated that tow territories will lose money, but others are safe. In hat case, it certainly is a hit but "below expectations" would be a good way of adding to that status. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 17:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey Scieberking, the facebook official page is not reliable guess. The poster seems to be promoting the film. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Rockstar

Saw the opening of film Rockstar? Wondering where would have Ra.One, if had released with it... -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 17:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Acc to me, Rockstar would have won the race. I went for first day-first show, and wanna go far it again. I wanted to update the plot section I went, but I want to go again, whereas i disliked Ra.One, hence didn't worked in plot section. Even you will love Rockstar for sure. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

That's good Scieberking. Ra.One was a typical mixture of Bollywood genre where as Rockstar is somewhere in perfection. Thanks, have a great day. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 05:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Official Page

I actually saw the ref just now. Yes it is completely unreliable and must not be used, however, as per SRK's latest press release he stated the budget as 135 crore. Being the actual producer, he should know best. Eros is just the distributor, and so its their job to inflate figures to attract the eyeballs (a very common but useless tactic). The conversation he had with a journo was simply meant to add promotional fire. I am sure you know of how Bollywood tries to promote films :D. The ref will have to be replaced. Regarding the loss of money, BOI has very specifically stated that 2 circuits lost money - Central Punjab (CP) and Central India (CI). These circuits are doiminated by single screens, hence yes it has lost money in these single screens but not anywhere else. Komal Nahta and Taran Adarsh had estimated losses, but it wasn't confirmed for all centres was it?Personally, while I do know your personal liking for Komal and Taran but I don't trust them simply because they are easily bought, especially by the three Khans. They are fairly accurate about the others though. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 14:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

And one more thing, the loss of T-Series money has absolutely nothing to do with Ra.One. It is a case of overpayment by music companies, and investments so huge that returns aren't possible. I have seen the said article, and it clearly states the names of Desi Boyz and The Dirty Picture as well. Losses to a music producer depends on the music, and not necessarily the film. Even in Ci, where Ra.One lost money, Chammak Challo is still enormously popular. Thanks, AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 14:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Comparisions between Damadamm and Ra.One are absolute bullcrap. Compare the budgets. Damadamm is a speck of dust in front of Ra.One, so obviously it's gonna get return very easily. egarding the distribution rights, what I have said time and again also hold here - CP, CI lost money precisely because of over-spending. That point will be included anyways, but only after GA review or else the instability tag will appear. And I still don't think the point about T-Series is relevant because as I said, the fate of T-Series is due to multiple films under it's banner, and not Ra.One alone. This fact should ideally come up in the T-Series article, not in the Ra.One article. And as I said, Taran and Komal can be easily paid to do either Khan's dirty work (I am not sparing SRK in this regard either, but stressing that all the Khans do so). Ra.One is a big grosser no doubt, but it underperformed. And there is a significant difference between hit and underperformance. The underperformance is simply due to unrealistic expectations, and really, if public reactions are anything to go by I doubt we could call Bodyguard a BB with an 81% fall in Week 2. BOI is reliable enough. And the fact that you mentioned IBOS is an insult and a joke, because IBOS has no relevancy either in terms of BO figures nor in terms of verdicts. They under-reported 3 Idiots net figures by 13 crore (189 crore according to IBOS, 202 crore according to BOI). I guess that says it all. The phrase "flaming flop" is really the Phrase of the Century", in my personal opinion. Cheers! AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 16:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

No no no, the Khans are far from going out of Bollywood now. In fact, I think they have barely begun. And no, it's not a religion thing at all. We Indian are not as communally narrow-minded as, say, Pakistan. Hence, the Khans still are darlings. However, there was a ge=reat deal of planned negativity surrounding Ra.One, and this is true whether you believe it or not. And btw, hello, 227 crore is gross. ALL of that doesn't go to the producers. Depending upon theteritories, I would guess 50% of this figure would go to them but it's an estimate as foreign markets generally show lesser ROI. Hence actual ROI is near 100%, and not 275%. And nobody was expecting Ra.One to get the same ROI as BG, or even close. In fact, it would have been great if the film had recovered costs alone, which it has for the producers. Only small losses are present for a few distributors (you can quote Taran/Komal however many times you wish, but that's the truth). Regarding budget, the over-exaggeration is a classic case of trying to fool the public. It doesn't work and yet they use it, and it beats me why they do so. Yes, considering the effort behind this movie it underperformed, which I have repeatedly stated previously. Note that 113 crore in India has translated to around 65 crore Distributor share, which actually translates to more than that of superhit Ready (another crap Salman film). And yes, if you think SRK is so dumb to completely depend upon theatrical revenue to recover costs, then you are ill-informed. After all, SRK is the businessman of Bollywood. Rest assured, its a profit maker for the makers and Eros, and at best an under-performing hit for distributors. And IBOS is plain dumb, stupid, and a Bachchan a**-licker. There's nothing better to say than that. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 17:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I doubt you can call something like Dhoom 3 smart, different cinema. Besides, SRK is moving away from his typical romantic avatar this year. See Don 2, does it look like anything SRK has done before (save Don, of course :D)? Ra.One was different too. Hence experimentation is there even within SRK. Only Salman is comfortable with useless south remakes with no plot, script or direction. And big BBs to boost. Its frustrating to see this imbalance in Bollywood. Nowhere else will crap like BG or Ready last beyond 3 days, and here it lasts for weeks and even becomes a BB. Irony of all ironies, I guess. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 12:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Your comments show that you are an srk-hater. Well no problem. People who feel Aamir does cinema for the love of it, and always does good films, are living just because they are dreaming. It doesn't matter what naysayers say in the end, I doubt Dhoom 3 will be better than Dhoom 2 and Don 2. Aamir is nowhere close to Hrithik for the required role. Well of course, Aamir lovers will defiantly defend their idol so it really doesn't matter. And Don 2 will kick ass, and beat the shit out of all those who think that SRK is a goner (which presumably includes you as well). Regarding limited expressions, your views are very very misplaced and based on very few films of SRK that you have watched. Se, that's the problem with haters They don't want to see the entire filmography of SRK, just one or two slips and then declare him as the worst actor in the world. Pitiful. Your opinion about SRK makes we very wary of what you will say next. Perhaps you will now try to justify Aamir's shoddy personal life or his repeated attempts at pulling Ra.One down? Or will you continue to live in denial and say that Aamir is too angelic to do such things? Snap out of dreams Scieberking. The whole world knows the truth, and it would do you good to find out as well. And yeah, call me an srk-lover but that doesn't change things. I have previously stated that Aamir acts well. SRK fans are less biased that Aamir or Lallu fans, but obviously you will attempt at proving otherwise. Don 2 will put the writing on the wall, and then we will see all the haters cringing with fear as we fans rejoice in the ultimate reign of the King. Regards, AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 14:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Equating Don 2 with Ready is enough to show exactly who your allegiance lies with. Please do not give the excuse of generally disliking Bollywood to cover up your obvious dislike for SRK. I am no kiddo when it comes to films. I have seen sufficient number of very good films including favorites Black Swan and Road to Perdition in Hollywood, and Chak De! India and Taare Zameen Par in Bollywood, to differentiate good cinema from average and utter crap. I never called Ra.One a classic (far from that, I praised it simply because it had great VFX and good performances esp. from Kapoor and Rampal), but of course you had to assume that just to drive home your point. Call Don 2 whatever you like. I am sure you love the James Bond series don't you? But you won't like Don 2 simply because it has SRK in it. If you call 3 Idiots as great cinema, then I think you are the kiddo when it comes to good films. Anyways, why am I actually discussing this with you? It barely matters, does it? Praising a single film which is so good it can't be criticized, and panning everything else even if some of them are very good, doesn't sound witty or intelligent to me. You are right regarding Hrithik, and I stand by my prediction that Aamir won't come anywhere close to Hrithik in Dhoom 2. And you are willing to call Don 2 "campy, tastelessly commercial cinema" while at the same breath calling Dhoom 3 as a great film. Nice joke. Regards, AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 15:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, so now you say you dislike mainstream Bollywood, and are still gung-ho about Dhoom 3. Wow. That really is some self-contradiction. And don't even try to tell me that you aren't gung-ho about it, because I've had enough of all that. 3 Idiots may be nice and refreshing from an entertainment point of view, but its so-called "social message" is old and much cliched by now Let's accept it, even though you love Aamir very much, 3 I is nowhere near as great a piece of cinema as Chak De!, and yet people insist on such useless comparisons. You can keep your rather silly views about Dhoom 3 to yourself, but rest assured, Don 2 will exceed Dhoom 3 in all respects and completely wipe out those naysayers who have been spending years of efforts to bring SRK down. And yes, there is no hamr in saying that you are an Aamir fan. I have no problem with that at all. I only have a problem when people try to act over-smart and judge things well before start. Dhoom 3 hasn't even released a trailer, and yet you air some realy fantastic things about it. AnkitBhatt_LifEnjoy 16:44, 18 November 2011 (UTC)