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Map question

The maps of South Africa are really great! But could you not have File:South_Africa_Census_2001_main_places_blank.svg in a non-equal area projection (the same one as the other maps before)? Many thanks, 90.37.249.20 (talk) 13:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I could draw it, but why? There really is no reason to use the equirectangular projection if there is a better one available (except for the very specific case of the locator map templates). - htonl (talk) 21:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Constitutional Court of South Africa

Hello,

I was not sure where to put the information. The See also, was not good in retrospect.

The article does not say anything about Directors of the Constitutional Court of South Africa. Should another section be added called "Directors"? This would be good for the article to make it more complete.

See: Talk:Constitutional Court of South Africa#Phindiwe Sangweni

Jrcrin001 (talk) 21:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Constitutional Court of South Africa#Phindiwe Sangweni.

A few more comments at: Talk:Constitutional Court of South Africa#Phindiwe Sangweni. Thanks for the info and comments. Jrcrin001 (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing of a picture in article South Africa

Hi,
you have removed a picture of Ballito which I put in the section economy of the article South Africa and you asked me what this has to do with economy. Well, there is no tourism section in the article and economy was the better match, for tourism is a part of economy.
Moreover I put the picture below of a similar one, which shows the Table Mountain in Cape Town. Would your question apply for this picture too or somehow Cape Town is being excluded?
I would appreciate it if you put my picture back.
Thanks Entropy1963 (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not that Cape Town is excepted, it's that Table Mountain is an internationally recognised icon of South Africa and represents Cape Town, which is one of the country's major tourist attractions. Ballito is not. Perhaps "what's that got to do with the economy?" is not an entirely accurate explanation of my reasoning - it would be better if I had said "what does a fairly ordinary picture of a beach add to this article?". It's true that there are some other images on that page which could be objected to by a similar reasoning, and in truth I think the article does have too many pictures.

Incidentally, you don't need to use <div> tags to make images float to the left or right. You can pass the left or right parameter in the image syntax - see Misplaced Pages:Picture tutorial for more info. - htonl (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for answering. I’ve seen that you are coming from South Africa, which is an amazing country and I know this very well because I’ve been there. The rest of the planet knows only Cape Town, which is also the only thing I knew myself before I get there.
Thus “a fairly ordinary picture of a beach” shows that there are resorts in South Africa and since one picture is thousands of words I guess it was a good call to place it in the article.
Ballito was a very nice place, as many other places I’ve visited, and I doubt whether foreigners know of its existence.
If you were not coming from South Africa I would put the picture back myself but in this case I’ll let it up to you.
If I may, I would like to advice you to start a section for Tourism in the main article, for South Africa is really a nice place to go.
Moreover you should make an article about the fear of foreigners to go to your country. When I said to my friends that I’ll go to South Africa they forced me to make my will…(both my Greek & English friends). A cop I met in Kimberley he asked me the same thing when I told him that I rented a car and I am driving along the coast from the border to Mozambique all the way to Alexander Bay at the border with Namibia. He said that he would be afraid to do it himself even if he is a cop. Entropy1963 (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want to put the image back, go ahead: I don't feel particularly strongly about it. You're right about the need for a tourism section; maybe I'll work on it when I have time. As to the crime thing, there's "Crime in South Africa" which is unfortunately not a very good article, but it's rather difficult to improve because so many people have very strong feelings about the topic. - htonl (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chicago, Western Cape

The article Chicago, Western Cape has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I don't think this place is a separate town. It was hard to find any evidence of its existance, but http://capegateway.gov.za/eng/pubs/news/2006/aug/142113 suggests there is an area of Paarl known as "Chicago" because of its history of gang violence. The lack of other information makes me think it is just a local nickname.

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Stellenbosch to bid for Wikimania 2012!

Hi Htonl!

The nascent South African Wikimedia chapter has decided to bid to host Wikimania in Stellenbosch, South Africa in 2012. This would be the first Wikimania in South Africa, and would be a great advertisement for our country. Please take a look at meta:Wikimania_2012/Bids/Stellenbosch. If you can add to the discussion, please do. If you feel that you are able to do anything to help, please join the Wikimedia South Africa mailing list and let us know. Even simple messages of support are valued!

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2009 election info

Hey Htonl, I was just wondering where you received election stats from the 2009 general SA election? It can find it for municipalities, but not for district municipalities? Could you please help :) Thanks Bezuidenhout (talk) 22:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I calculated it for the district municipality by summing the votes in the local municipalities in that district (including the district management areas). But I do have spreadsheets for the results going down to voting station level, which I've put on my webserver at http://adrianfrith.com/election-results.zip. That has results for the 2004 and 2009 national and provincial elections, and the 2006 local elections. The spreadsheets were originally downloaded from the IEC website, but it seems that they are no longer available there. - htonl (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mpumalanga floor crossing, 2005

Template:Mpumalanga floor crossing, 2005 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Suburbs

Hi... Do you by any chance have (or now where I can get one) a map of Cape Town, divided by Suburbs? I basically wanna know where the border of the suburbs is, if that makes sense...

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.135.245 (talk) 06:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the latest edition of the Map Studio street guide includes the suburb boundaries. I also have a shapefile of the boundaries from the city council that I could send you, but you'd need GIS software to use it. - htonl (talk) 10:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Can you make a jpg of that map that you have? or a png? and send it to me, I would really appreciate that, vahidph at gmail, you can delete this heading. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vahidph (talk • contribs) 15:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

http://map.capetown.gov.za/, looks like it has a division by suburb, but it doesnt have a color... I dont know if you have used it before and now how can I get it to display the suburbs... Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vahidph (talk • contribs) 17:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

You can download this file and open it in Google Earth (or follow this link to open it in Google Maps, but that has less functionality). - htonl (talk) 19:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

WOW... this is awesome... exactly what I was looking for... thank you so much :)

It's a pleasure. :) - htonl (talk) 08:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello again :)

Hey Htonl, sorry to be of trouble again, but I was wondering if you had data for "Afrikaans speaking" white population by province in South Africa? I am trying to improve Distribution of white South Africans, but I fear that the "Afrikaner" and "total white populations" where taken at 2 different censuses. Thanks for your time :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure! Here it is:

Source: Census 2001 interactive data. - htonl (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much Htonl!! This really helps to verify my "mainly Afrikaans" or "mainly english-speakin" province facts. I really appreciate this, baie dankie :) :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Dis 'n plesier. :) - htonl (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey I was wondering, if the possibility of a "Afrikaans:English" map ratio was possible?? I'm sorry I keep going on about "white South Africans", I probably sound like a racist, but I don't want to edit Ndebele articles as I have no clue what the language or culture entails? Anyway, I was thinking like a colour scheme, dark red= high English speaking:Afrikaans ratio, and Dark Orange for Afrikaans? For example the Eastern Cape would be yellow as it is almost exactly 1:1 (actually slightly more English), but other examples would be for example, Free State, N.C and NW would be 10:1 Afrikaans:English and would be darkest shade orange? It's just an idea, hope to finish with White South Africans and move on to Asians next :) once again, thanks for the help Htonl :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 22:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Ja, I can certainly draw that map; it'll take a little while as I'm a bit busy at the moment and my map-drawing programs need a bit of sorting out, but I'll have a go at it this weekend. Red vs. orange isn't a good color scheme in terms of understandability (although it would be traditionally appropriate ;)) but I could do something like red vs. blue, or purple vs. orange. (Actually, if you want to see what colors I could use, go to ColorBrewer, and set "number of data classes" to 10 and "the nature of your data" to "diverging"; then you can select from a range of color schemes. If you have one you'd prefer for this map, let me know.) - htonl (talk) 23:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I admire how detailed and how much effort you put into this :) I understand if you have busy work, there is definitley no deadline for this map, and was just a "hmm why not" kinda thing. Anyway, have a good weekend Htonl :D Bezuidenhout (talk) 23:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

How's this? - htonl (talk) 13:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

It stupendous!! Thanks a ton Htonl! :) I'm serious this is a really useful map, will definitley use it in the future. It's definintley not what I was expecting, which shows that it serves its purpose to educate. Really grateful Htonl :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Please help with Cape Coloureds

I'm running into the 3RR limit with trying to get that idiot to stop messing up the article (see the recent edit history). I'm asking you to help as you had already done the same reversion at least once. It would also look better for admin action if it's not just me alone against the vandal. Roger (talk) 14:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Changes in Municips.

I just want to say thanks Htonl for updating the changes following the municipalities in the new elections. I was also just wondering a few questions:

1. Where do you get the information to add to adjust these changes? I ask as I would maybe also like to save you time and add them :)
2. What will happen to the Amathole and Motheo districts after Buffalo City and Mangaung break off?
3. Are there any more changes that have not been added/proposed but not yet approved/not published yet?

Thanks for your time Htonl :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 16:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

1. I got the info mostly from this Powerpoint presentation from the DCGTA. I also got via the DA a Shapefile with the new municipal boundaries which I'm using to draw new maps to replace the ones on the municipality articles.
2. Nothing will happen to Amathole except for losing the Buffalo City territory. Motheo will be dissolved, with Mantsopa LM joining Thabo Mofutsanyane DM and Naledi LM joining Xhariep DM.
3. No new changes can happen at this stage, because the wards have already been decided and the IEC is about to start printing ballot papers.

I made a list of all the (major) changes on the municipalities task force page. Apart from what I've listed there, there are a lot of small boundary adjustments where a few farms move from one municipality to another. - htonl (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Have the DMAs already been dealt with? Roger (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Dealt with by government, or here on Misplaced Pages? The DMAs will go away on the election day, like all the other changes. I haven't edited any articles to discuss that, although District Management Area mentions it. - htonl (talk) 11:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I meant here on WP, and specifically on the maps. Thanks. Roger (talk) 13:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I haven't uploaded new maps, but I'll start doing so tomorrow, probably. - htonl (talk) 14:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Unblock request

Just so you know, I got an admin to handle your unblock request and it is  Done. -- DQ (t) (e) 01:49, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

National Roads in South Africa move/rename

Do you think we should proceed with a rename process for National Roads in South Africa to National Routes in South Africa, and Provincial Roads in South Africa to Provincial Routes in South Africa? There has been no feedback from NRA to email asking for clarification on their website. Park3r (talk) 14:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Phindiwe Sangweni for deletion

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Hi, I noticed you made an edit to the above page. Just thought you may like to know. Cheers, GetDownAdam (talk) 03:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Articles affected by the changes in municipalities after the 2011 local goverment election

Hi Htonl, I've made a few quick edits to the following articles that are all affected by the establishment of Mangaung Metropolitan Municipality (I also put a "current" tag on all of them as I did with Mangaung and Buffalo.)

• Motheo District Municipality
• Thabo Mofutsanyana District Municipality
• Xhariep District Municipality
• Naledi Local Municipality, Free State
• Mantsopa Local Municipality

BTW does Buffalo City's change affect any of its neighbours (other than having to edit their list of neighbours)?

I'm off to bed soon so I can't continue with the major work of transferring demographic data and other material between the articles. I also have an early start and a large load of work tomorrow so I'm not sure when I'll be able to work on it again. Roger (talk) 21:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Buffalo City doesn't affect its neighbours but it does affect the Amathole District Municipality which it is no longer a part of. Other big changes are, of course, the expansion of Tshwane which disestablishes Metsweding, Kungwini and Nokeng-tsa-Taemane. - htonl (talk) 21:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Just to keep you in the loop, I've updated Metsweding District Municipality. I left the demographic stats as they were, merging them into Tswane's stats is not one of my wiki-skills. Roger (talk) 10:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

We must remember to update the various "Municipalities of...", "Districts of..." and "List of..." articles too. Perhaps we should create a comprehensive "To Do list" on the Municipalities task force page as a checklist to keep track of what needs to be done and what is completed. Roger (talk) 11:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Help

I Htonl, I was searching over local municip. election results and I see that the DA actually did very well in 2000, but then declined heavily into 2006, before partly rebounding this year. Why was it that it lose so many votes in 2006? Bezuidenhout (talk) 07:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

In 2000 the NNP was still part of the DA, but then in 2001 most NNP members crossed the floor to join the ANC. I think the drop you see reflects the votes that the NNP took with it to the ANC. - htonl (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Election results

Good to see you are still online! I want to expand South African municipal election, 2011 through inclusion of the remaining tables for other provinces but am unsure of where you got the results from. Could you send me a link and I would be happy to do the rest of the tables in the same format. --User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 02:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I get them by downloading the "Seat Calculation Reports" from the IEC results site. I'd be very happy if you added tables for some more of the provinces! - htonl (talk) 03:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant! Standby for tabulation... :P --User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 03:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Tabulating the KZN section. Should be done sometime after noon. --User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 09:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wondering Htonl, when the 2011 results map is coming out? Thanks Bezuidenhout (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

It's here. :-) More detailed maps reflecting vote percentages and so on will have to wait until the IEC releases the detailed bulk result spreadsheets. - htonl (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Really impressed with the work you did on the election results. Great work! --Discott (talk) 21:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Make sense?

Hi Htonl, I'm kinda stalking you atm because I like your maps, but I was looking up results and am a bit confused. In the Ubuntu muni. (NC), the ANC got >50% of the vote, yet they are not the majority? Yet in the Kouga (EC) they got about 49.8%, yet made up a majority? Why so? Bezuidenhout (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Because of the way that seats are allocated depending on the votes cast. Obviously a party can't have fractional seats, so depending on the exact balance of votes, a party may either get slightly more or slightly fewer seats than they "deserve". (In South Africa we use the largest remainder method to allocate the fractions.) So in Ubuntu, the ANC got 4 out of 8 seats on the council, whereas in Kouga they got 15 of 29 seats. (One could argue that getting exactly half the seats, as in Ubuntu, counts as a majority; but I don't, because a party needs half+1 of the seats to be sure of controlling the council without a coalition.) - htonl (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

ta-da!

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		This is for your awesome and informative maps of South Africa (elections, statistics, etc.) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 16:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC) Seconded. Roger (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both very much! - htonl (talk) 17:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Capital

Hello, what's the capital of Amathole District Municipality after converting Buffalo City into a metropolitan municipality? X ziomal X (talk) 11:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Still East London, even though it's not in Amathole any more (see ). In the same way, Port Elizabeth is the capital of Cacadu District Municipality even though its in the neighbouring Nelson Mandela Metro. - htonl (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) X ziomal X (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Map of Gauteng with municipalities labelled (2011).svg

The placement of the hyphen in "Ekur-huleni" seems odd: as far as I know "rh" is one sound in Tsonga. Maybe "Eku-rhuleni"? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 20:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right. I decided to just make the font size two points smaller, so the name doesn't have to be hyphenated at all. I've uploaded the new file, but thanks to Commons's glacially-slow updating of SVG thumbnails, you probably won't see the effect for a few hours. - htonl (talk) 11:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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Kaapstad map

Hi Htonl, yes it's me again but I'm requesting your help with something on Afrikaans wikipedia. I was wondering if you could make an Afrikaans map for Image:OpenStreetMap Cape Town small.svg? I know your Afrikaans is good, but for the replacement nams it's only "Cape Town >> Kaapstad", "Somerset West >> Somerset-Wes", "Hout Bay >> Houtbaai", "Fish Hoek >> Vishoek" and "Simon's Town >> Simonstad". Thanks for your time Htonl :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure; it may take a little while though. Is there a suiwer Afrikaans name for Blue Downs? - htonl (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's the same in Afrikaans (Blue Downs). "Die Burger" uses Blue Downs, and I guess I more reliabe source than that is non-existant? Bezuidenhout (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Here you go: File:OpenStreetMap Kaapstad klein Afrikaans.svg. I came to the same conclusion about Blue Downs, also based on Die Burger. - htonl (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Baie dankie ;) Bezuidenhout (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Dis 'n plesier. :) - htonl (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Cape Agulhas Lighthouse

Thanks for Cape Agulhas Lighthouse, excellent article. I have nominated it for WT:DYK. Entry is under . --NJR_ZA (talk) 07:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! - htonl (talk) 09:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cape Agulhas Lighthouse

On 28 June 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cape Agulhas Lighthouse, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the light of South Africa's Cape Agulhas Lighthouse (pictured) was originally fuelled by the tail-fat of sheep? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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WP:AFRICA loosing articles?

Since we are still using the same assessment categories and not changing the {{WikiProject}} template, will WP:AFRICA really loose those articles? As far as I can see WP:AFRICA will continue as usual. --NJR_ZA (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, inasmuch as WP:RSA is a child project of WP:AFRICA, no. But they will disappear from Category:WikiProject Africa articles and its children, being included only in Category:WikiProject South Africa articles and its children. But there's nothing wrong with that; the same situation exists for all the other countries except in Africa, where the continental project is only directly associated with trans-national topics. - htonl (talk) 18:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, OK. I see what you mean, the ones tagged with the new template does not appear in Category:WikiProject Africa articles. That is fine, will probably make things easier on WP:AFRICA to have all our specific articles removed. --NJR_ZA (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Article importance

I am taggin District Municipalities as High and Local Municipalities as Mid importance as I think that is the order we should deal with them. What do you think about the National parks, should we tag them as High as well and tag Provincial parks as Mid? --NJR_ZA (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

IMO, National Parks should be Mid, except for Table Mountain, Kruger and Kgalagadi, which are definitely High. The others I don't see as being important enough for High. - htonl (talk) 12:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DCJ

True, although his listing on the Constitutional Court website, http://www.constitutionalcourt.org.za/site/judges/justicedikgangmoseneke/index1.html says "of the Republic of South Africa". I was going by that.--Tærkast (Discuss) 16:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

This too, http://www.info.gov.za/speech/DynamicAction?pageid=461&sid=4437&tid=4582 .--Tærkast (Discuss) 16:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

On the other hand, http://www.thepresidency.gov.za/pebble.asp?relid=1021 ("Langa was appointed a Judge of the Constitutional Court of South Africa in October 1994, becoming Deputy President of the Courtin August 1997 and Deputy Chief Justice of South Africa in November 2001. He became Chief Justice in June 2005."), http://www.justice.gov.za/m_speeches/2011/20110311_dmin_sawla.html ("I would like to quote the late Ismail Mohamed, former Chief Justice of South Africa when he was addressing the Johannesburg Bar:") and so on. Given that the government websites use both forms, I think we should go with what the law says. The recently-introduced Superior Courts Bill makes it clear: "The Constitutional Court consists of the Chief Justice of South Africa, the Deputy Chief Justice of South Africa and nine other judges of the Constitutional Court.". - htonl (talk) 16:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, fair enough. Thanks, --Tærkast (Discuss) 17:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the law stuff. I wish I was back in SA!. Some of the court articles here could be cleaned up a bit.--Tærkast (Discuss) 19:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The sad truth is, there are so many South Africa-related articles that need cleaing up, and too few editors who work on them. But ja, law and the courts is a topic I'm trying to work on, particularly the ConCourt and its notable rulings. - htonl (talk) 22:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Du Toit v Minister of Welfare and Population Development

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South African census is in 66 days

It's going to change again then anyway, it'll be somewhere between 8.7 and 9.3 percent I presume, but whatever it is it will likely be above coloreds.--Something12356789101 (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It'll take a while after the census happens before we actually know the figures. Anyway, the 9.2/8.8 figure comes from the 2010 mid-year estimates, while the 9.0/9.0 figure comes from the 2011 mid-year estimates. I see no reason why we should prefer the older figure. - htonl (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, I made a mistake. I just find the census will find a very stable situation of whites in South Africa, a country about to hit negative population growth, something us whites know a great deal about.--Something12356789101 (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I reckon it'll be pretty close to 9% in the Census, the Statistics SA people are pretty good at what they do. White SAns have pretty much the same low population growth rate as you see in many "Western" countries, for similar reasons. - htonl (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes we both agree, just not on the exact number. I'm betting on 9.1 or 9.2% but we'll see. The black population is increasing as a percentage but the country as a whole is starting to hit a negative birthrate.--Something12356789101 (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I don't think we disagree. Actually, I suspect that with the increasing trend of emigrants returning because of the current economic situation, the white population is basically neither growing nor shrinking at the moment. - htonl (talk) 00:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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Could you please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Bot owners' noticeboard#General notice to bot owners about edit summaries and see if the suggestions might apply to your bot? Feel free to add your own suggestions and comments there too. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

HtonlBot's approved task has run its course; I'll certainly take those suggestions into consideration if I ever use it to run another task. - htonl (talk) 21:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

South African Airways Flight 406

I'm the editor who originated the article and the only reason I'm writing is to thank you for finding the accident report on the crash. There is some controversy over just what happened to the Rietbok.- William 14:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a pleasure; I happened across the CAA's page of old reports and thought they might be useful for the Misplaced Pages articles. It's a pity the Rietbok report is so inconclusive, but it looks like they didn't have much evidence to go by. - htonl (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Act, 1996

On 3 September 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Act, 1996, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that South Africa's Choice on Termination of Pregnancy Act was described by the Guttmacher Institute as "one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello again!

Hey Htonl, how are you doing? Is it ok if you create a new Gauteng map with the municipalities labled in Afrikaans? We are gearing up to our 20,000 article mark for the wikis 10th anniversery and we've started a big drive to finish articles around South Africa. I know your Afrikaans is good enough to figure the translations out but to save you time the only translations needed are:

• Stad Johannesburg (City of JHB)
• Stad Tshwane (City of Tshwane)
• Wesrand DM (West Rand DM)
• Mogale City and Merafong City remain at their English names
• and obviously the provinces (North-West and Free State/Noordwes en Vrystaat)

Thanks Htonl and nice talking to you again :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Done: File:Kaart van Gauteng munisipaliteite (2011).svg. I can do the Western Cape map as well if you like. By the way, why are Mogale City and Merafong City not translated to Mogalestad and Merafongstad or something like that? - htonl (talk) 14:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Ag, thanks man! And regarding the Mogale/Merafong city articles, I thought so as well, but upon searching media (Beeld, Nuus24) they seemed to use Mogale/Merafong city. It's also a punctuation issue, is it Mogalestad/Mogale Stad/Mogale stad. Thanks a tonne once again and "Groete" :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh and Yes! A Wes-Kaap one would be great too!! :D Bezuidenhout (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Daar's hy: File:Kaart van Wes-Kaap munisipaliteite (2011).svg. - htonl (talk) 19:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Hiya again Htonl, to show you what changes you are making to Afrikaans wikipedia: I have now finished the suburbs of Cape Town project and would like to thank you as your Kaapstad Kaart was to thank for that. Obviously it doesn't stop there, and now I am moving on to Johannesburg and Pretoria... yipee! And I would like to ask you if you're not busy to create a Johannesburg and Pretoria metro kaart like you did in English, thanks a bunch again haha :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Happy to do it. The only change on the Greater Joburg map is "Kempton Park" becomes "Kemptonpark", right? I haven't done a Pretoria map (in any language) as far as I know - the Joburg one only goes as far as Midrand - but I might actually create one this weekend. I can also do an Afrikaans translation of the Durban map. - htonl (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Ja, Luckily only Kemptonpark :) If you get round to Pretoria this weekend, I assume there aren't any changes there either, except for maybe Pretoria North (Pretoria-Noord)? And one for Durban would definitley be great :) There aren't many Afrikaans articles relating to KZN, so that would be a good expansion playground :D Thanks Bezuidenhout (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've done Joburg for tonight: File:Greater Johannesburg OpenStreetMap small Afrikaans.svg. I'll do the others tomorrow. - htonl (talk) 02:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey thanks Htonl :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Reverting Vandalism

How does reverting work? I was worried that using the "undo" button on the history would alter something, so I instead did it manually and all I wanted to change was to remove "Tshwane" from the infobox as the official name, but instead I mess up the hole thing! What happened? :) Groete Bezuidenhout (talk) 23:00, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Ironically, it's actually safer to use the "undo" button - it'll tell you if it can't safely undo the edit because of intervening changes. I'm guessing you went to the pre-vandalism version, clicked edit, and then saved, right? The problem is, that reverses all changes since then. Basically, if there have been other edits since the one you want to revert, the safest thing to do is to reverse the changes manually. Cheers! - htonl (talk) 23:02, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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2011 Census

Hey Htonl, long time no talk, do you have any idea when the 2011 SA census results will be out? And if you do know, when will individual results come out (ie for population/language/ethnic group etc.) Groete :) Bezuidenhout (talk) 07:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

As I understand it, the full results will only be available in 2013, but that's for the detailed results that go down to suburb level. I don't know whether there will be preliminary results sooner for national statistics like overall country population and so on. - htonl (talk) 09:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Sophiatown

Thanks for your feedback on Sophiatown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShiningWolf (talk • contribs) 19:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Small Cape Town Wiki meet up

Thought you might be interested to know that a small group of the South African Wikipedians will be meeting at the Foresters Arms, Newlands Avenue, Newlands, Cape Town on the 15 December 2011 from 2pm - 5pm. Please feel free to join us.--Discott (talk) 22:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism

No, it's not vandalism, I'm just keeping the page in line with the ANC's new bill. If you would like 25 years in jail please undo my edits.