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General notice on my status

Please take note of the pale green item in the header of this page, entitled "General notice on my status:".

Thank you, Sven Manguard Wha? 01:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Questions to the parties on the Betacommand 3 arbitration case

Drafting arbitrator User:Kirill Lokshin has posted some questions to the parties. As you are either an involved party or have presented evidence in this case, your input is sollicited. For the Arbitration Committee --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 13:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I've read them and decided that I'm not the best one to answer them because my involvement with Delta dosen't go back that far. I've already said, between by two comments, all that I'm willing to say at this time. Sven Manguard Wha? 13:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

...or not. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

On future expected reduced activity

Hi there folks. I've been trying to hold off on this message, but it's reached a point that I no longer am able to do so.

I'm probably going to be relitively inactive for the next month. It's not something I want to do, but it looks like that choice is being made for me.

I'm perfectly alright, and I enjoy my time here, however right now I am in the People's Republic of China, and Misplaced Pages loads very, very, very, very slowly here.

In the United States, the average load time for a page on Misplaced Pages is roughly a third of a second to a second. The frequency that I am unable to access Misplaced Pages is about once a month, and almost always that's because of something on Misplaced Pages's end.

In China, the average load time for a page is 10 seconds during off peak usage times, and around 40 seconds during peak times. Strangely enough, after 12:30PM local, that time skyrockets to about 2 minutes. While China's national network is well built, at least in the rich eastern coastal provinces, its connectivity to the rest of the international web is poor, to say the least, and this is intentional, as far as the scholarship I've read indicates, although not exactly for the reasons that first come to mind. Furthermore, the frequency that I am unable to access Misplaced Pages is in the "several times a day" range, where Misplaced Pages (and sometimes only Misplaced Pages) fails to load for five minute chunks of time.

As much as I'd love to say that this is all censorship in response to Jimbo Wales' comments on his belief that a Arab Spring style revolution is coming to China (something that none of the China scholars I've read believe to be accurate, in fact most explicitly state the opposite), it really isn't that (or at least I don't think it's primarily that).

Because this is a 'connecting to non-Chinese networks' type issue, proxies won't help. There really is no way around this.

All of this means that I won't be able to do gnome work for a while, as that involves opening too many pages. I'll keep up my signpost responsibilities, and will still make edits, but my edit count is going to drop like a rock and I might be much slower in responding to things. Thankfully, it won't be for too long.

I'll be back to my 1500 edits a month self in time for 2012 though. Until then, my apologies. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind...

If I lifted your table and format from your ACE2011 voter guide page to use as my own? It's the easiest one to make. :) Master&Expert (Talk) 06:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't mind at all. The table, by the way, is just the default table you get when you click the table icon in the "Advanced" drop down menu. This might save you some time getting it ready. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Heh. Never knew that. In any case, thanks. :) Master&Expert (Talk) 06:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Accusation of sockpuppetry

I want to make it abundantly clear that the sockpuppet you accused me of operating is not me. It is quite possible that the editor who copied my userpage style is the same person who vandalized my userpage several years ago. On Ryienn's userpage, he accused me of being pompous and talking about myself in the third person, which was exactly an anonymous IP said when he vandalized my userpage. Please refer to this diff ] ] (note that he also put homosexual pornographic image on my page) and retract the unfounded allegation. Thank you!--NWA.Rep (talk) 01:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Behavioral evidence that I have observed disagrees with your statement, but I'm not going to fight over this. There are more than enough other reasons to strongly oppose your candidacy. Sven Manguard Wha? 02:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on my candidacy, but I swear to god that user is not me. In fact, I never heard of that user until I read your candidate guide. I do think that if you looked at the diffs I provided, you would notice that the rhetorics of that user is very similar to the anonymous IP who vandalized my userpage (accused me of being pompous and having a huge ego, etc). I do appreciate the fact that you remove the accusation from the candidate guide.--NWA.Rep (talk) 02:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

ACE2011

Would you mind if I take more points from your ACE2011 page? I'd say that your guide is the best I've seen so far; and I've taken a bunch from you already. Thanks. HurricaneFan25 17:47, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

My guide incorporates the findings of NW's guide, and I don't mind at all if people incorporate any of the my findings. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Sven, typo? Re. Coren, holds a philosophy on Misplaced Pages that is incomparable with my my own - I think you mean "incompatible", not "incomparable".  Chzz  ►  12:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Will fix. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:25, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Confusion about

I noticed that at Misplaced Pages:Files_for_deletion/2011_November_19#File:Scrabble_United_Kingdom.png you brought up the argument of the image being non-copyrightable. While it can probably be kept because of meeting WP:NFCC, it can't because of {{PD-textlogo}}. It's a registered trademark, which means that someone saw it to be unique enough to register. It's also noted on the PD-textlogo page that a trademark supersedes it. Just thought I'd share. The Haz _talk 19:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

You've misunderstood the notation, which explicitly refers to certain images (logos in particular) tagged with {{PD-textlogo}}. It means that other intellectual property restrictions might apply, not that they negate a PD claim. Trademarked PD image are tagged with {{trademark}}. —David Levy 20:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth Turk

hi, i noticed your fansite tag there. i'm confused. did you mean Advert, or Tone? i don't know how much more neutral you could make the language. this is the language of the average museum professional. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 15:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

The "Collars" section is far, far to promo-y, or fansite-y, and reads more like something you'd find at the artist's site than you'd find at a museum. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Voter guide

I was surprised and disappointed to read your comments and I was wondering whether you were aware of all the background.

Betacommand/Δ

I have absolutely no axe to grind regarding BC/Δ. The contrary, in fact.

In April 2009, BC/Δ appealed his ban to ArbCom. T asked the community on his behalf and was resoundingly rejected. In July 2009, he appealed again but this time I handled it via the ArbCom noticeboard. Following a sounding, his ban was suspended with restrictions and I subsequently unblocked him.

For whatever reason, this summer, the problems erupted again. On 8 July 2011, when I proposed the ArbCom motions, there were nine about BC/Δ at seven different noticeboards (AN/I (i), AN/I (ii), AN/I/BC subpage, AN3 (i), AN3 (ii), AN, Wikiquette, DRN and AE).

Per policy, the committee retains jurisdiction over BC/Δ. This is because of (i) his previous arbitration case and (ii) the committee's involvement in suspending his community sanctions. Ultimately, therefore the buck stops with us. Given the wiki-wide clamour, and the restrictions the editor was under, the motions were the obvious course of action.

Incidentally, the site ban was an alternative to the topic ban and is actually the remedy specified in his restrictions. In practical terms, it would have simply reinstated BC/Δ's earlier (suspended) community ban, for re-appraisal later when things had quietened down.

Despite what you say, the proposed topic ban discussion at AN/I was not closed until 12 July so this really wasn't me going behind the community's back and playing God.

Having given this further thought, I don't think it was such a bad proposal. As my colleagues almost unanimously supported the topic ban, I guess they agreed with me.

Restricting new editors

I'm sorry that you have reacted the way you have to the proposal. Your anger surprises me. While it wasn't one of my finest ideas, given the history of disruption on ArbCom pages, it seemed worth exploring. I suppose that's the point of a wiki. Put up ideas, bounce them around, and see if something better comes out of it. If there's no consensus, the thing doesn't fly but at least the options are clearer for the future.

 Roger Davies 21:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This is to acknowledge that I have read what you said. I am not changing my recommendation, not in the slightest. If anything, that you're struggling to figure out why I'm angry at the new editor proposal makes you even less qualified. I lined it out in the guide myself and it's a relatively simple to grasp; your policy publicly assumes the worst in new editors, and treats them differently from established editors, which is unacceptable. The same result of keeping sockpuppets from causing disruption could be achieved through empowering the clerks to, in private, look over evidence presenters to make sure that they are not trouble making socks. It's really easy to spot the people that are just there to cause trouble, dosen't need special tools, and you can do that without alienating new users. Sven Manguard Wha? 02:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the proposal didn't assume the worst at all. New editors are already treated with suspicion and hostility on case pages, sometimes ending up at SPI. Having an arbitrator endorse their participation would dramatically improve their reception. Some filtering was a way to achieve this. It is true that the matrix contemplated, an edit count, is probably too crude but alternatives are worth exploring.

No, it's not easy to spot bad hand accounts and I'm not convinced that specifically empowering the clerks to watch out for socks would help. I suspect it would crank up the drama even more, lead to requests for investigation, followed by accusations of bias and favouritism. The clerks already have more than enough on their plates and clerk retention is a problem. Roger Davies 14:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Sven, excuse me for sticking my nose in here; however, I think you're being unnecessarily harsh with respect to Roger's contributions, particularly given the disparity of your assessment of his work and mine; I voted in favour of the same motions you're concerned about here. Something to keep in mind is that sometimes one or another arbitrator just has to take the bull by the horns and put forward a position that may appear, on the surface, to be out of step. The Betacommand/∆ motion passed because the Committee as a whole wanted to give the user another chance while recognizing that the community had serious concerns about certain of his activities. But in order for that motion to pass, someone - in this case Roger - had to put it forward. Similarly, the motion about restricting newer editors on Committee pages is an example of Roger and other members of the Committee taking seriously the concerns expressed by the community about transparency. He could easily have put forward the same motion on the arbwiki, but that would have eliminated the opinions of the community in the considerations that other arbitrators gave to the motion. Proposing changes in practice in a transparent way is, I would have thought, a positive trait. Indeed, I myself have made proposals that have been unpopular in their own way, for example this one. If one keeps in mind that our policies and guidelines are descriptive rather than prescriptive, this specific proposal was on the money: WMF employees have been pilloried on a regular basis on multiple mailing lists, their talk pages, and miscellaneous other WMF (and outside) venues. The Committee, by its votes on that proposal, made it clear that there are limits to the extent of that criticism. However, if the proposal had never been made, we'd never have had that resulting response.

I hope you will reflect on these ideas in making your final determination about all of the candidates. Risker (talk) 04:28, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Risker, your proposal was unpopular, but no harm to the project would have come about by its adoption. I cannot say the same thing about the motion that resricted new editors from contributing to ArbCom. As for the discrepancy in timing, yes, the decision was formalized two days after Roger put forth his motion, but it was pretty clear exactly how the community process was going to resolve long before its official close. I don't think I'm being too harsh, and I'm not changing my recommendation. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

What Risker is saying is she voted in support of both the BC/Δ and new editors motions, and she's wondering about the disparity in your reactions.

The motion wouldn't have restricted newcomers from ArbCom, just from the /Evidence and /Workshop pages: no problems about chipping in on the talkpages. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that the proposal would alienate the tiny number of new editors who find their way to case pages. In sharp contrast, there is abundant evidence that what drives new people away from the project in their thousands is summary reversions and deletions of their work, and communication by template. Which is what usually happens.  Roger Davies 14:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that arbcom motions are an appropriate place to simply toss around ideas; the Village Pump would be better for that.  Chzz  ►  08:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps not but it's traditionally how we do it, usually on ArbWiki. We tried a few motions publicly during the summer as an experiment in transparency (here's another one from abiout the same time).  Roger Davies 14:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Nothing you can say or do will ever restore my confidence in you as an Arb. Please stop trying to get me to change my opinion; it's not going to work, at this point all its doing is just annoying me. If you're willing to spend this much time arguing with one guide writer, either you peg me as having a whole lot more influence than I think that I do, or you want to stay on ArbCom way too badly. Sorry, I think you did a lot of good work outside of ArbCom, but I want you off of the committee. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

"The copyright holder, ypoong, gave me permission to use this work only in Misplaced Pages articles"

You nominated several images, such as File:210sticker2.jpg, at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2011 November 16 because they had Misplaced Pages-only permissions. You could have gotten the process done a lot faster with {{db-f3}} tags, since a Misplaced Pages-only permission is grounds for speedy without the delay that most file criteria have. Nyttend (talk) 04:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

True, but the thought slipped my mind at the time, and when I remembered F3, the files had already been there for a day or so. Everything worked out in the end though. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion F1

Speedy deletion F1 is for redundant images. This tagging was of an image in use and thus not subject to speedy. Please check file use in future before tagging. SpinningSpark 23:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

As the image is deleted, I can't be sure what happened, but I specifically remember replacing that image with file:10Gig Tunnel Amp M.jpg before listing the small version as redundant. Perhaps someone put it back in the article? Sven Manguard Wha? 02:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

No, you maybe thought you replaced it, but you hadn't. The article still had the "S" version when the image was removed from the article as a deleted file. Anyway, it's fixed now so no harm done. SpinningSpark 19:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I did replace it, in this edit. You unreplaced it in this edit. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it. Zen-in (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Opinion essay

See this if you haven't yet =). Cheers, ResMar 15:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't have put it straight in... but whatever. I am, at least temporarily, putting aside my role as the opinion desk person because Skomorokh wants to do something there that I am utterly against. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

=| ResMar 21:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I forgot to zap this one. My hiatus was over before most of you people woke up. TCO spends a good deal of time making other people feel bad about their contributions here, and his report serves as a vehicle for him to continue this trend, so I'm still very much against running the piece, but I've decided not to quit the desk over it. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I hope, at least, it won't go out tomorrow ending with .  Chzz  ►  12:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Nothing gets run without Skomorokh's signing off on it, and the opinion pieces are no exception. My guess is that Skomorokh will push it back until the next slot if it's not done in.. err... really soonish. Sven Manguard Wha? 13:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sven, can we get your review/suggestions on the essay? I made some inline hidden comments on the draft, but I'm interested in your read on it. Skomorokh 03:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dispute Resolution

You may be interested in this. Peter jackson (talk) 17:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

No thank you. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Note to self

...and interested talk page stakers

Bug 32660 - File extensions for the same file type should not allow variations of a file name (File:X.jpg, File:X.jpeg, File:X.JPG should all refer to the same file)

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32660

Give it a week or so and then go poke someone? I'm not sure how fast these things work? Either way, it's almost time to fire up the filefolk and get LDFN cleared.

Sven Manguard Wha? 18:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

So bugs can take an extraordinary long time, and if it gets stale, then it could be there for months. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 10:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Discussion report

I have an RFC that is getting no feedback at Talk:T.H.E. (The Hardest Ever)‎.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Not sure why I'm being notified of this. If you're asking for me to cover it in the discussion report, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to decline. The DR is for the most heavily trafficked and most important discussions; with dozens started a week I can't cover all of them. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

FC pic

Much better. Yah, it wasn't good, was it. Often the bottom pic is left out because it's so hard to avoid acres of white space between the right-side pics and the centred bottom pic (or squashing). I don't think there's a solution to satisfy all window widths and resolutions. But your choice is effective, at least on my screen. Tony (talk) 14:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I have a laptop with what I guess is an average sized screen. On my screen the top pic in that section occasionally gives me a horizontal scroll bar, but only for about a half inch, so I don't mind it. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Guide update

FYI, I was on wikibreak over the last week (family issues), but am back now and have updated my guide, if you'd like to take another look. --Elonka 16:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! --Elonka 15:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Please don't

I appreciate your efforts to be helpful to the encyclopedia, but please pause before taking it upon yourself to follow my edits around and undoing them to change my image uploads. What you're doing is mild edit warring, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and you don't have policy behind you. How about discussing instead? - Wikidemon (talk) 18:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I do have policy behind me, it's not edit warring, and your reasons for not wanting the images resized don't make a whole lot of sense. There are people who have put forth good arguments for keeping a dozen to two dozen images from being resized. The rest, like your images, are (pardon the harshness of this) 'pet images'; images people have taken an interest in and therefore want to protect from being changed. I'm sorry, but the image use policy sets a very small size. DASHBot sets a slightly larger size, pretty much on its own (but no one complains about it). There's very little space for you to claim an even larger size than those two. Sven Manguard Wha? 02:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Fbot/FAQ

I'm planning on giving it a major overhaul, given the 'mass hysteria' on my talk page. Your input would be appreciated. Regards, FASTILY 18:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Template:PD-textlogo nomination

I have withdrawn the nomination per your explanation. Thanks, —{|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|} 00:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC).

Thanks, don't worry about it. Sven Manguard Wha? 01:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Many guides link selected discussions of selected candidates

Hi Sven!

I reverted your edit of Monty's guide. Let him remove the links to candidates in my guide. Let others add links to candidates in their guides.

You can see that many guides provide links to selected discussions of selected candidates, so there is ample precedent for such linking.

Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Whatever. I think what you're doing is wrong, but I'm not going to fight over it. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Sven,

I added links on the 29th. Monty last edited on the 30th, and I believe the record shows that Monty has previously removed unwanted revisions from his guide.

You might consider e-mailing him to confirm his wishes.

Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Look, dude, I don't care. Really, I don't. I already said above that I'm not going to fight over it, and I'm not the one that removed the links the second time. Sven Manguard Wha? 12:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

For your readers' benefit, Monty explicitly approved the links.

Maybe it is time for you to apologize for the "God complex" personal-attack in your guide?

 Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

It was removed ages ago. Trying to deflect from your own problems with civility by pointing out comments made by others isn't going to solve the problem that you perpetually create a toxic environment. As illustrated by the RFCU, you have defenders because you do good work. That won't save you forever though, and every comment you make like the ones you leveled at the coordinators is going to cost you more and more defenders and add more and more people to the list that want to see you off the project. Sven Manguard Wha? 11:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Recall

What do you think of my proposed recall criteria ? --Guerillero | My Talk 04:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll do it, why not. Also, while I don't really want you desysoped, I think that those numbers are a bit too high. The procedure I had personally planned on adopting if I got the mop is a slightly modified version of User:Hut 8.5/Recall (biggest modification is that I would require a discussion on my user talk page run to its good faith fruition before the process was able to be started.) Also check your email. Sven Manguard Wha? 12:47, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Heads-up

Mike Christie is considering writing an opinion piece (see my talk page). Let me know by email or by the usual means if you have any comments or want to get involved. In the meantime, do you expect any of the pieces in development to be fit for print by Monday? If you could share any thoughts you're having about this week's slot, that would be great; drop a note in the newsroom when you get a chance. Cheers, Skomorokh 14:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not really going to have much time this weekend, but I'll get the DR done, and take a look at what we have. I'll be on the IRC in a second to see if the authors of the other two pieces on the table are online. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

File noticeboard

I think that it's time to move your sandbox on the FNN to Misplaced Pages space. Just add {{Proposed|WP:FNN}} after. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, Sven. I appreciate the help with clean-up on my user talk. I've seen your sig in various places (mainly file discussions); could I request an opinion? I altered some images to complete a gallery on an article and would like to make sure I didn't break any rules. My contributions on Commons are very limited, so finding the files will be no challenge. The original images were released for alteration to an equal or better license, but I don't know if any other attribution points need to be addressed. It's a low priority request, so don't go out of your way. See ya 'round Tiderolls 07:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The images are certainly free, but I'm not sure if yours is the best license. Commons template Commons:Template:PD-old-100 or Commons:Template:PD-shape might be better options. Sven Manguard Wha? 09:05, 3 December 2011 (UTC)