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Map

Half of the countries on the map have the wrong color, especially in Africa. Someone needs to go carefully through Ages of consent in Africa, Ages of consent in Asia, Ages of consent in Europe, Ages of consent in North America and Ages of consent in South America and correct the map. Or better, create a new map, the colors on this map are problematic, as they are barely distinguishable (eg 13, 14 are nearly the same on the map). The map cannot stay any longer in such a state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.174.71 (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a better map in such case. If you point out exactly which African country is wrong then I will fix the map. Map is essential for the article. Heard tried won (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Curiously, now there is not a map. Though so essential... 85.217.45.223 (talk) 19:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

See the section below Talk:Age_of_consent#New_map_needed for what countries are wrong on the map (and for other problems with the map); not only that many countries are shown with the wrong color, but the map doesn't even have a legend color for 'puberty', despite the fact that several countries have 'puberty' as an age of consent. And we need the map to show South Sudan too. Yea, a map is important (though not "essential"...) for this article, but we will have one when someone makes a new one. Meanwhile the wrong map has to be kept out of the article. Wrong information doesn't belong in any article and wrong information must be removed immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.161.255 (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know that "puberty" thing at all. Makes it bit harder, not much. If I only could make these myself. Too tired & lazy to learn. 85.217.45.223 (talk) 12:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I have posted a request for a new map at Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop: Misplaced Pages:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#Map_for_Age_of_consent. Hopefully it will soon be resolved.

We have a new map now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.163.68 (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Separation/Sorting by AOC continent articles

Concerning not only North America list article, but all Age of consent continent region list articles in general:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Puerto_Rico.3F_.2F_In_general:_Separation_by_sorting_territories_by_continent.28geograpically.29_impractical_and_mix-up.3B_more-sense_search-easier_separation_by_sorting_territories_just_by_alphabetical_frames.28A-C.2C_D-F.2C_etc..29_should_at_least_also_be_created62.143.224.212 (talk) 07:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully mispellings

MarriageMain article: Marriageable age The age at which a person can be legally married can also differ from the age of consent. In jurisdictions where the marriageable age is lower than the age of consent, those laws override the age of consent laws, at least as they apply to the spouses boner. Further still, some jurisdictions prohibit any sex outside of marriage, which can take place at any age, as in the case of Yemen.

In the second sentence are the words "spouses boner". spouses should be spouse's. God knows what 'boner' was supposed to be.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.190.203 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

It was recent vandalism. I've reverted it. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

New map needed

I've replaced the old global map, where many countries had the wrong colors, and which also had problems with the shades of blues it used (barely distinguishable)-see discussion File_talk:Age_of_Consent.png#Color_coding, with the 2 new maps which have been recently created, for North America and Europe, but new maps for Africa, Asia, Oceania and South America are still needed. In fact, what is needed is a new global map. Hope someone will create one soon.

see: Ages of consent in Asia, Ages of consent in Oceania, Ages of consent in South America, Ages of consent in Africa, for each country's age.

I have posted a request for a new map at Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop: Misplaced Pages:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#Map_for_Age_of_consent. Hopefully it will soon be resolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.161.255 (talk) 13:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The following countries are wrong:

Iceland: 15, not 14 Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Iceland

Lithuania: 16, not 14 Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Lithuania

US:

• Montana:16, not 18 Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Montana

Bolivia: puberty (the map doesn't even have a legend color for puberty!!) Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Bolivia

Mexico: Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Mexico

• Nayarit: puberty, not 12
• Querétaro:puberty, not 12
• Sonora:puberty, not 12
• Tlaxcala: puberty, not 12
• Zacatecas: 13, not 12
• Michoacán: 12, not 18

Peru: 18, not 14 Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Peru

Kazakhstan: 16, not 18 Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Kazakhstan

Cambodia:15, not 16 Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Cambodia

Senegal:16, not 13 Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#Senegal

Nigeria:18, not 13 Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#Nigeria

Chad: 14, not 13 Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#Chad

Guinea-Bissau:16, not 13 Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#Guinea-Bissau

Lesotho:16, not 14 Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#Lesotho

Mongolia: 16, not 17 Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Mongolia

Bulgaria: 14, not 15 Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Bulgaria

Philippines: 18, not 12 (though this is more complex).Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Philippines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.162.241 (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.163.143 (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC) - 188.25.163.143 (talk) 23:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow!! I have discovered 3 more countries which are wrong:

Macedonia: 14, not 16 Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Macedonia

Bosnia: 14, not 16 Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

Tajikistan: 16, not 17 Ages_of_consent_in_asia#Tajikistan

Can't believe this. Up until now, 24 wrong countries + the 'puberty' thing which is unacceptable. This map is a joke, can't understand how it was allowed for so long here. I hope we get a new one soon!!188.25.163.143 (talk) 23:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

We have a new map now!188.25.163.68 (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I added a passage saying that it seems that the average age of consent is 16, I know it varies but I think this is worth noting, I also noted that ages as low as 12 and high as 21 exist. --99.50.131.225 (talk) 02:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Portugal is also wrong, it's 14, not 15, wtf, it has never been 15 in history. It went from 16 to 14 in 1995, and the exception for homosexuals was removed in 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Portugal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggstasy (talk • contribs) 17:55, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Portugal is shown to be 14 not 15! The map is correct! Please look at the map carefully. France is 15, compare the color of Portugal to that of France.188.25.162.119 (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

other typical legal significance of age of consent

I thought age of consent was the age at which a person is deemed fit to give their consent: Whereas with someone of the age of majority their signature is sufficient for legal contracts, acknowledgement for risks before surgery, etc, the signature of a minor is insufficient, and a guardian's consent must be obtained. Unless this is only confounded in US law, it would be nice to include these other significances. --108.28.13.107 (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

We don't discuss other legal ages as this article is specifically about age of consent. We point to the others in the lead paragraph: "It should not be confused with the age of majority, age of criminal responsibility, the marriageable age, the voting age, the drinking age, driving age, or other purposes." - SummerPhD (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Page move

The term Age Of Consent is ambiguous since it can collide with other meanings such as driving, drinkng etc. Its also misleading because this article also covers sex between people of the same age where the phrase "consent" would not be incorrect. Therefore i propose renaming this article to "Legal age for sexual activity" or something similar. Thoughts? Pass a Method talk 20:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not ambiguous to me. "Age of consent" typically refers to laws about sexual activity, just like "Minor (law)" typically refers to people who have not achieved legal adulthood, and the lead clears up any ambiguity a person may have upon stumbling onto this page. It deals with consensual sex between minors because they can also get in trouble (typically misdemeanors) for violating the age of consent laws. While they may be around the same age, they are not exactly the same age. 89.149.195.167 (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Age of consent is the normal term of art, I believe. --Herostratus (talk) 06:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

re onset-of-puberty and places with no age of consent

OK, let's not edit war over this. The contested material is:

In some countries, the age of consent is set at onset of puberty, and in some countries such laws do not exist.

This may be true, and I don't see why this is even contentious, but first of all we need good refs.

Regarding http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm, I'm not sure that that's reliable source, but more importantly the ref doesn't support the material. There are a few countries marked with a ? meaning that the info is not available, is all.

The other ref is a book, Modern Muslim Societies. Books are generally not good references because they're not usually fact-checked, which means we are thrown back on trusting the author. Sometimes that's acceptable, sometimes not, depending on the author and the material.

It's edited by by Florian Pohl. I don't know who the author of the actual piece is (and that's a problem, but presumably solvable easily enough). Florian Pohl is a professor at Oxford College of Emory University, which is a junior college. I don't know much else about him, but that doesn't inspire nearly as much confidence as if he was a full professor at an Ivy League school or something. And the book is listed at Amazon under teen books, and described at Barnes & Noble as "children's literature". So this doesn't look to be a really scholarly work. It's a pretty dubious source for statements of fact, and since the material is contested I don't see this as being a good source.

I addtion, the particular page givem (here) doesn't support the material anyway. There's no mention there of puberty. The top of the page says "in some countries the law remains uncodified" but without knowing more (such as, which countries? for starters) that's not really enough to go on.

As to the first part, I wouldn't be completely surprised if "in some countries such laws do not exist" is true, we just need a better ref. It probably doesn't belong in the lede, though, since those countries are probably only a few exceptional ones. The puberty thing, hmmm, it would seem odd if a national legislature or ruler would actually codify this in law, but I suppose it's possible. But we would need a good ref or refs. Herostratus (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I find it insulting that you describe an editor who was made repeated personal attacks as "reasonable". Why would i go to a talk page to speak to someone who called me a pedophile? He was not being reasonable, because articles WP:LEAD is supposed to summarize the body, which is what my edit did. The diagram in the article mentions 'puberty' and 'no law', which is why i added it. Secondly, you are wrong about my source not supporting text. My source on page 44 says quote; "In some countries the law remains uncodified, and ubject to interpetation by scholars." On page 45 it says "A significant number of Muslim countries, particularly those in the Arabaian peninsula, do not have fixed minimum age of consent. Islamic law establishes no minimum age for marriage". Btw, there was no dispute about puberty, only about the "some countires have no such law" part. I would appreciate if you self-revert, because the statements i quoted above islamic law are not controversial or disputedin sharia.

Im not sure what your criteria for reliable sources are, so why dont you help find sources yourself? This would be less time consuming and constructive Pass a Method talk 09:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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