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This map is silly irredentist game, trying to proof that the new slavic-albanian state is core of Macedonia and there are other parts under control of neighbors.. This have nothing to do with real geography and history of region. If you want to participate in this silly game, this is your right. But do not say that there is nothing wrong. It is clear violation of neutrality. This map is silly irredentist game, trying to proof that the new slavic-albanian state is core of Macedonia and there are other parts under control of neighbors.. This have nothing to do with real geography and history of region. If you want to participate in this silly game, this is your right. But do not say that there is nothing wrong. It is clear violation of neutrality.
] (]) 13:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC) ] (]) 13:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
:In the discussion that led to the creation of ] (the style guide for naming conventions related to the term "Macedonia"), it was decided that for the purposes of this encyclopedia, there may practically be some confusion with the modern Greek province or the ancient kingdom, so the article about the modern nation-state was placed at ], and the page "]" was made into a disambiguation page, listing possible meanings of the word. The modern nation-state self-styled in its constitution as "Republic of Macedonia" is overwhelmingly referred to in the English language as simply "Macedonia". Furthermore, the word "Macedonia" is nearly always used in the English language to refer to the modern nation-state. Use of either the nation-state's provisional United Nations designation "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", the acronym "FYROM", or other similar terms such as "Macedonia (FYROM)" are confined in English to maps, charts, or other such tools. They are basically never used in English prose.
:Therefore, in order to represent the widest range of standard English usage, it was decided that the modern nation-state would be referred to on the English Misplaced Pages as either "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". Given that there has never been any other entity called "Republic of Macedonia" by anyone, it was decided that this term would be sufficient for resolving possible confusion: for example, "]" is a disambiguation page, with links to ], ], and ]. Since the term "Republic of Macedonia" is simple, clear, and supported by common English usage, it was decided that other terms would not be used. The names used in the map simply reflect this, for consistency's sake.
:Misplaced Pages is not a political tool. The site's style is designed to follow common English usage. There is no practical reason to use any of the longer designations for the nation-state, as the continued use of this term ''at all'' anywhere in the world is absolutely and completely contingent on the steadfast refusal of the Greek government to move one centimeter in its position. The United Nations admitted Macedonia to its body using a provisional designation based solely on the fact that Greece raised extremely vocal objections to the republic's usage of the term "Republic of Macedonia". The newly independent nation-state acquiesced to the Greek demands at the timebecause it wished to join the international community as soon as possible. The only reason why any countries still refer to the country in diplomatic relations using the UN designation is ''because'' it is the UN designation, not because they support the Greek position.
:This is not a question of neutrality, this is a question about whether the English Misplaced Pages is going to cave in to what is solely a Greek ''political'' concern, and one that is either totally ignored or openly opposed by literally every nation on the planet, and is basically ignored by all (and I mean ALL) English-language media. And please don't find a few articles that do use the Greek-supported term, because a few exceptions do not invalidate a practically universal condition. If my writing seems a bit harsh, it is because I have been dealing with this issue on and off for the past two and a half years, and I thoroughly SICK of the Greek position on the issue. In my own opinion, this is one of the single most stupid disputes in recent history. ]]] 20:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Unblock on hold

Could you have a look at the unblock request at User talk:ArishiaNishi? Without access to the checkuser information it's impossible to assess it. Thanks. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done. J.delanoyadds 03:43, 13 December 2011‎

Sock

Hi can you block the email of this sock He is constantly pinging me —Commander (Ping me) 17:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Someone else already got it. J.delanoyadds 23:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Little stewardship requested

Please see Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Rlevse. Someone's suggesting that the username Rlevse be registered (to prevent the user talk page from showing up as belonging to a nonexistent user) and immediately indefinitely blocked, and another person replied that it would potentially require the intervention of a steward, due to SUL matters. Could you please look into doing this? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 13:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's really necessary. If creating the account would require steward/bureaucrat intervention, there is not much risk of someone creating the account in order to impersonate Rlevse. On the other hand, the page isn't really doing anything by existing, and to be honest, a quick look at the page logs for User:Rlevse indicates clearly that the account's owner exercised his/her Right To Vanish. J.delanoyadds 18:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Macedonia disambiguation

Do not care what is your nationality and what is your knowledge about Macedonia. But if you want to be correct and neutral: 1. Neutral approach you can found in Macedonia disambiguation on other languages , f.e. in Portuguese 2. There is no necessity to place map in disambiguation, but if it is so important for you, the map must be neutral. You say “ revert deeper - there is nothing wrong with the map” Are sure ? There is marked only one part of disambiguation . Why ? 2.1 May be this part was a core of Ancient Macedonia  ? No – the core was mainly in Macedonia (Greece). Futhermore, from the point of view of ancient geography, name of marked part is Peonia. 2.2 May be this part was the core of Ottoman Macedonia before 1912 ? No- the core was again Macedonia (Greece) with main center Thessaloniki. 2.3. May be marked part is the biggest part of former ottoman Macedonia ? No- the biggest part again is Macedonia (Greece),about 60% of former ottoman province.

This map is silly irredentist game, trying to proof that the new slavic-albanian state is core of Macedonia and there are other parts under control of neighbors.. This have nothing to do with real geography and history of region. If you want to participate in this silly game, this is your right. But do not say that there is nothing wrong. It is clear violation of neutrality. Macedon-40 (talk) 13:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

In the discussion that led to the creation of WP:MOSMAC (the style guide for naming conventions related to the term "Macedonia"), it was decided that for the purposes of this encyclopedia, there may practically be some confusion with the modern Greek province or the ancient kingdom, so the article about the modern nation-state was placed at Republic of Macedonia, and the page "Macedonia" was made into a disambiguation page, listing possible meanings of the word. The modern nation-state self-styled in its constitution as "Republic of Macedonia" is overwhelmingly referred to in the English language as simply "Macedonia". Furthermore, the word "Macedonia" is nearly always used in the English language to refer to the modern nation-state. Use of either the nation-state's provisional United Nations designation "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", the acronym "FYROM", or other similar terms such as "Macedonia (FYROM)" are confined in English to maps, charts, or other such tools. They are basically never used in English prose.
Therefore, in order to represent the widest range of standard English usage, it was decided that the modern nation-state would be referred to on the English Misplaced Pages as either "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". Given that there has never been any other entity called "Republic of Macedonia" by anyone, it was decided that this term would be sufficient for resolving possible confusion: for example, "History of Macedonia" is a disambiguation page, with links to Macedonia (region)#History, History of modern Macedonia (Greece), and History of the Republic of Macedonia. Since the term "Republic of Macedonia" is simple, clear, and supported by common English usage, it was decided that other terms would not be used. The names used in the map simply reflect this, for consistency's sake.
Misplaced Pages is not a political tool. The site's style is designed to follow common English usage. There is no practical reason to use any of the longer designations for the nation-state, as the continued use of this term at all anywhere in the world is absolutely and completely contingent on the steadfast refusal of the Greek government to move one centimeter in its position. The United Nations admitted Macedonia to its body using a provisional designation based solely on the fact that Greece raised extremely vocal objections to the republic's usage of the term "Republic of Macedonia". The newly independent nation-state acquiesced to the Greek demands at the timebecause it wished to join the international community as soon as possible. The only reason why any countries still refer to the country in diplomatic relations using the UN designation is because it is the UN designation, not because they support the Greek position.
This is not a question of neutrality, this is a question about whether the English Misplaced Pages is going to cave in to what is solely a Greek political concern, and one that is either totally ignored or openly opposed by literally every nation on the planet, and is basically ignored by all (and I mean ALL) English-language media. And please don't find a few articles that do use the Greek-supported term, because a few exceptions do not invalidate a practically universal condition. If my writing seems a bit harsh, it is because I have been dealing with this issue on and off for the past two and a half years, and I thoroughly SICK of the Greek position on the issue. In my own opinion, this is one of the single most stupid disputes in recent history. J.delanoyadds 20:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)