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Thanks

		The BLP Barnstar
		For providing references to many of the old articles at the back of the Unreferenced BLPs backlog. Your contributions in this area are much appreciated!  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 00:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Nicely Done

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For reversing my recent prod of Samuel Armacost, you found some decent sources after I failed to do so! Nuujinn (talk) 21:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For trying to save Del Cerro, San Diego, California from sure deletion. Bearian (talk) 18:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Not as good as your own article but...

		The Press Barnstar
		Awarded for the recognition granted to you by the San Diego media, which took note of your hard work in keeping local pol's biographies NPOV XinJeisan (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		for spelling out Wiki-abbreviations (like BLP) for readers who haven't a clue what they mean. GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

San Diego

		The Original Barnstar
		To MelanieN, on the occasion of San Diego reaching GA! -SusanLesch (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Socratic Barnstar
		To MelanieN, for well-considered arguments at AfD. Axl ¤ 18:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Best wishes. Axl ¤ 18:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

San Diego & bias

Great! & best of luck.

By weird coincidence (or maybe this is why you were looking at my page) I was just in San Diego for a day or so for the first time in over 20 years (I had the good fortune that someone sufficiently wanted my help for a few hours to fly me down from Seattle). Unsurprisingly, in my few free hours there, I visited a very standard tourist part of the city (Old Town). But, yes, the less affluent neighborhoods certainly deserve comparable coverage in Misplaced Pages (actually, even the article on Old Town is no great shakes). And, unless I'm mistaken, Hispanic San Diego is rather under-covered, even in terms of the 19th century. - Jmabel | Talk 02:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Congrats!

Wow, Journeyman Editor! Faaaaaaaan-CY! --Rnickel (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Say, since you're all fancified and official now, maybe you would consider taking a look at the page on Sharon Stone? Looking at it recently, at first glance, it appeared to me that nearly all of the recent edits have been vandalism and reversions, but I didn't have the time to give it the thorough investigation in needed. --Rnickel (talk) 19:13, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I guess I now know of another page that is on your watchlist! 0;-D I'll take a look at the Sharon Stone article (wait for it) after the Kite Festival! --MelanieN (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, well, tell you the truth I took a look at the article and it doesn't look to me like it needs a lot of attention. Yes, there has been vandalism but it has been quickly reverted, and there are 80 people who watch the page so I think it is well guarded. --MelanieN (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

San Diego and Balboa Park

Hi I am new San Diego but have a strong interest in expanding the relationship between local wikipedians an the cultural institutions of San Diego, especially in Balboa Park. To that end I am interested in providing access, support and recruitment efforts to the wikipedians through my connections to the major organizations in Balboa Park and San Diego.

I am also attending and supporting some Balboa Park museum staff to attend Wikimedia@MW2010 in April, a workshop for exploring and developing policies that will enable museums to better contribute to and use Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons. This meeting will be attended by Wikimedia Foundation Board members, staff, and Misplaced Pages editors as well museum professionals from across the country.

Prior to this meeting I would like to host a local meeting of wikipedians in Balboa Park to discuss the opportunities that might exist with the development of a closer relationship between existing wikipedians and museums.

Would this be something you would be interested in? --Richcherry (talk) 23:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I added some comments to your post about this on my talk page Richcherry (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Neversails

Hmm, I probably should update the main Recruit page. As for USS Commodore (401B), at first it looked difficult but after further Googling now I've found some nifty bits that should be enough for a stubby article at least - so I might get that started tonight, feel free to chip in of course! :) And I think we have enough to have a "land ships" category now too. Most intriguing! - The Bushranger (talk) 02:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I've created a page for USS Commodore (401B), with all I could find - which honestly wasn't too much. Hopefully you can find some additional stuff to add to it to bring it up to DYK level in the next few days! :) - The Bushranger (talk) 04:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

It's decidedly of the obscure, isn't it? But that's one thing that makes it so cool. Hopefully we'll find out her fate, at least. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

• Too bad they dismantled it, but that's good to know. And if there's landsharks, we're gonna need a bigger boat! =P - The Bushranger (talk) 04:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

A third Cold War landship?

Just found this: File:Uss recruit.jpg. According to the marker there were three landlocked training ships around that time. One of them is presumably Commodore...but where was the third? - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 11:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hm. It's possible, but the wording does make it sound like there was another ship, doesn't it? - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 21:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I may have found something Just a single line in a Google search but I found this:

"...kinda like the LBS Neversail in Orlando. LBS = Land Based Ship..."

Hmmm! - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 23:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Aha, and another! "Our local Recruit was one of three such training ships built after the Second World War, according to Ryan. While the two others (the USS Bluejet in Orlando and the USS Marlinespike in Great Lakes, Illinois) eventually were dismantled, the USS Recruit has now been designated a California Registered Historical Landmark."... There's even a from aboard the latter! - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 23:09, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, all I can find about the Orlando 'ship' is that it existed. I'd want to find a bit more about it before writing anything! But I'll see if I can't shake anything loose from the research tree.

...wow. That is a big gap. Once I chop down a few more of my current to-do list, I just might take that one on. Thanks for finding it...or should I say, not-finding it?! :P - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 17:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Flea circus guy Maxfield Rubbish

Come to the park so I can share with you some fun facts we have

hello Melanie I work for the Balboa park historical society at Balboa Park I specialize in the childrens tours something here that we cherish are some old photos we have of Maxfield the alledged time traveler with his flea circus We also have some photos of him and alpha and his good friend Harry May (the showman with Alpha the "robot" unfortunately these images are of very fragile existence and hanging on the wall at out museum so can not be copied at this time.

as for Maxfield Rubbish at the puppet theater that is a pierce which was commisioned by the friends of Balboa Park to share a bit of history with the kids in a playful way. The show is also supported by his great granddaughter who donated one of Maxfields original circus's which happens to be the one you have as a referance on this wiki page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.236.182 (talk) 19:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

So why was there a Maxfield Rubbish who performed at Balboa in 2008? Methinks you are pulling Melanie's leg. Binksternet (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

User rights

Melanie, you don't know me, but I've seen your name around, so I've turned on a couple of buttons for your account. First, WP:ROLLBACK, which is pretty simple- an easy way to get rid of vandalism in a flash. (Just don't use it on good faith edits.) Second, WP:Reviewer, which is a flagged revisions thing that will keep other people from having to review your edits on flagged protected pages. (Which goes into trial on 15 June.) If you don't want either right, just let me know- I'll watch this page for a few days, and happy editing. Courcelles (talk) 12:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

• Why you- simple. The reviewer flag is for anyone who has their head screwed on straight, and I've closed enough AfD's you've been involved in to know that you do. Rollback? Pretty much the same thing- with the various tools out there, anyone who knows what they're doing might as well have it, and you looked like you could use it well. Courcelles (talk) 16:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Flea Circuses

Melanie, thanks for your stirling work keeping the mad spammers from adding gibberish to the flea circus page. Much appreciated. (Flea Circus Director (talk) 12:18, 15 June 2010 (UTC))

Thanks for the update on Maxfield Rubbish, as far as I'm concerned a puppet circus is quite valid and could have been promoted as just that. However trying to promote such an event by writing about timetravellers in wikipedia is rather stupid. (Flea Circus Director (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC))

Winery guidelines

Hi MelanieN, I found your comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bacio Divino interesting. I'm curious what winery you were referring to, and if the article was kept or deleted.

You may be interested in looking at the Wine Project's draft guideline Misplaced Pages:Notability (wine topics). As you said in your comment, criteria for inclusion have to be tough. However, they are not always clear and obvious regarding borderline cases, such as wineries that might be well known in their region but not outside of it. I and a few others made an attempt to interpret existing policies and guidelines in the context of wine topics. Some would say we set the bar too high, although everything seems to follow logically from existing policies and guidelines. Any improvements you might make, or suggest, would be most welcome. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Amatulic, thanks for your note. I did look at the notability criteria for wine, at your suggestion, and I concur with them. Forgive me, I hesitate to say what the other winery was (the one with the country's best-selling red), since it was a target of strong attack by one or two editors - one in particular who tried to prod it, deleted tons of information from it, even tried to delete the external link to the winery's own website as "linkspam", although WP policy is that the entity's own website should be included. The winery seemed to me to be clearly notable, having won several major national awards as well as being such a big seller, and I added citations to the article demonstrating same. I added them kind of late in the AfD discussion process, so many people didn't see the new citations, and the result of the AfD discussion was "no consensus" "default to keep". I have had that winery on my watchlist ever since, in case it comes under scrutiny again, but I don't want to call attention to it lest the deletionists renew their campaign! I have no connection with the winery except that I like their wine, but I would consider it a travesty to delete it.

I do find this subject interesting, and as a result of the discussion at Bacio Divino I have added the "wine-related deletion discussions" to my watchlist. --MelanieN (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't consider myself a deletionist, but I do a fair amount of prodding and AfD listings of winery articles, sometimes as a means to spur improvement (as was the case with my nomination of Bacio Divino — I couldn't find anything but numerous trivial mentions in sources, but I think it may be possible to rescue, and the author seems motivated to do so), but most of my prods and AfDs are wineries that clearly fail the proposed WP:WINERY guideline.

I'd say making a best-selling red wine would qualify as notable enough to keep. It's the borderline cases that cause the most grief. If you missed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Valhalla Vineyards, that was a real donnybrook, with a lengthy debate, deletion, an even lengthier deletion review debate, and finally restoration. The WikiProject Wine membership was pretty unanimous about deleting it, but we lost that battle — due mostly to differences in interpretation of existing guidelines, underscoring the need for wine topics to have its own clear guidelines. The end of Misplaced Pages:Notability (wine topics) includes an essay about the Valhalla incident. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I think I know which winery you mean (initials FaD). I had no involvement in it, but it really could use an assertion of notability in the lead. That would prevent anyone from questioning its notability or proposing it for deletion in the future. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, done, thanks for the suggestion. I had hesitated to do that before, because one of the other editors was so strongly down on anything that smacked of promotion.

I knew it wouldn't take much detective work to figure out which winery I was talking about; sorry to be so coy about it. For some reason that winery attracts enemies. Shortly after the AfD discussion closed as "no consensus", someone blanked the page and turned it into a redirect claiming it was done "per AfD". Someone else promptly reversed the redirect, so apparently I am not the only person keeping an eye on this article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:IFELTIT

Sounds like an interesting idea for notability. Rename it to WP:IWASTHERE to make the essay more general. Just remember that you will need to lay out if administrators get a pass at notability for these events. ;-) Vegaswikian (talk) 22:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Never would have guessed that we already had something for WP:IWASTHERE! Vegaswikian (talk) 22:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Very nice NPOV rewrite

This edit was right on. I had been looking at that for a few days, and couldn't decide exactly how to approach what was obviously a POV problem. Your rewrite was perfect. I am also looking at the other part of that "Abuse" section, as it may be POV to also call that abuse, as it appears from the citation, that it is a normal practice in the training of elephants, and is therefore not abuse. At least I see it that way.

As it appears that we tend to edit the same articles, we'll most likely crsoo paths again. Good luck.--Jojhutton (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! and BLP PRODs

Hi!
Thanks for fixing refs at Rodney E. Slater. Looks like you're - amongst many other things - going through the unreferenced BLP back log as well. I actually find it rather interesting. Just one thing: just tried to prod Angelo Palma and got this message:

Article was created before March 18, 2010, and is thus ineligible for a BLP PROD.

Should we be ignoring that message? I ask because of your greater experience about this.
Thanks!--Shirt58 (talk) 09:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'm actually going to contest the PROD for Denise Lutgens as it may not be an uncontroversial deletion candidate. She seems to be in rather good company (with the exception of the person who runs the website) here.--Shirt58 (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

AFC Half Marathon

Hi Melanie! Indeed I do intend to create that article. A pretty good approach to redlinks can be found at Misplaced Pages:Red Link. My own personal policy is to link virtually everything that I think is both relevant and worthy of an article (whether the actual target article exists or not). Many people remove red links purely on the basis that they lead to nowhere (yet). I have little idea why this occurs because Misplaced Pages's own guidelines encourage the opposite – perhaps people think Misplaced Pages has most notable things already covered at this stage? Often these removals cause a problem where perfectly valid new articles have zero incoming links and people like me have to rush around linking instances of the topic in other articles.

When you work in a niche area like I do then you become aware of the level of missing articles (some which are clearly notable to the lay reader). For example, John Kagwe (1996 AFC Half Marathon winner) is still waiting for his article even though he won the New York Marathon two years running! He's one of the biggest prize money winners ever, but still...for some reason he wasn't even redlinked on List of winners of the New York City Marathon. The winners list of the AFC Half Marathon alone is packed full of missing Olympians and major race winners.

In terms of the AFC Half Marathon DYK: go straight ahead! I'd recommend using the first one, or a variant on that theme. Be sure to add the relevant text to the article – I thought that info was a bit of a curio! SFB 16:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It turns out that the La Jolla Half Marathon gets less press coverage than I thought it did! Delinking... SFB 22:46, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places and Imperial Block

Hi,
I can't find the policy for the inherent notability of things on the National Register of Historic Places. Could you possibly add it into the AfD so I can withdraw my nomination proper-like? Thank you!--Shirt58 (talk) 08:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your wise reply. I guess the "National Register policy" is a bit like "all schools with first year of senior high/GCSE/year 10-level classes are inherently notable" policy - it's widely quoted, but isn't actually a set policy at all. I was a bit worried about it being - as you pointed out - simply one of the buildings that make up the Butte Historic District. In its initial form it was an obvious speedy candidate... do you think we can credit ourselves with a "rescue" if it's, erm, rescued to a redirect :-) ?--Shirt58 (talk) 11:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Help

Hi i saw you work on San Diego articles. Im asking if you can help the Chula Vista article since as you know Chula Vista is right next to San Diego. I want to try to get it to FA for its centennial next year or atleast GA. If your not intersted its ok. Spongie555 (talk) 03:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I have actually never gotten a FA(they are hard to get) and GA(i nominated one but it failed). But the Chula Vista article has alot of problems like references and everything under the History section(which is also bad beacuse its a copy and paste from the Cities website) is little paragraphs. Im trying to get more people to help beacuse the article is in never bad shape. Spongie555 (talk) 03:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you beacuse i really want to get this to FA for its Centennial so its on the front page for it or atleast make it good to look at with GA. Spongie555 (talk) 04:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Kama'aina

Hey, thanks for beefing up that article! WhisperToMe (talk) 21:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Disruption

Melanie, adding an unrelated comment to a new section is disruptive in and of itself, though might be unintentional. However, the only reason to remove the subheading that was added to separate that comment from the other section is blatantly and purposefully disruption. Please don't do it again. Thanks.

If you don't want to contribute to finding general principles of agreement, fine, you don't have to, of course, but please don't make unrelated disruptive comments there because that can inhibit others from contributing. --Born2cycle (talk) 04:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Chula Vista Army camp?

I saw you made the article for USS Recuit and got it to DYK. I saw this picture,, of a Military camp in Chula Vista during WWII called Camp Minnewawa. I thought you would maybe interested in creating it if you can find sources other then the picture. Spongie555 (talk) 05:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The picture might be in public domain only if it was took by a army soilder or government employee. But it says unknown so I don't know. Maybe we could use fair use as it is only known picture of the camp. Spongie555 (talk) 06:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Also Camp Matthews article already exists. Spongie555 (talk) 06:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Also would you be interested in helping me make a article for the Star-News? I already started making it in my Sandbox if you would like to help. I'm trying to go for DYK but can't find many sources to expand. Spongie555 (talk) 01:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't not see that it was a CCC camp. For notability aslong as it follows the general Misplaced Pages:Notability rules it should be fine. Spongie555 (talk) 02:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

There are two article about CCC camps but they are National Register of Historical Places buildings which is different then this case. Also do we know where this camp was located in? I know it was in Otay Lakes but any location where there is a building now? Spongie555 (talk) 04:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I found a source that talks about Camp Minnewawa but it says its in Jamul, , it could be a mistake by the author. Also i dont know if you would be interested in helping Operation Lemon Capital Centennial? Spongie555 (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

New development on army bases in Chula Vista as there was an actual army base as proved by this link . We could still make the CCC camp article and this. Spongie555 (talk) 05:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Camp La Mesa does need an article too. Also the only articles about CCC camps are National Historical Register places. But we could make a list of CCC camps of San Diego County like you said. Spongie555 (talk) 04:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Landships redux

Hi there again. Guess what? I just found another "landship". Interesting! - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you / Friends of Five Creeks

Thank you for your POV edits on Friends of Five Creeks. I learned a lot from how you handled it! If you wouldn't mind, could you take a look at Pacific_East_Mall and Cerrito_Creek? The same POV material is on those pages as well. m.cellophane (talk) 17:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)m.cellophane

For your perusal.....

You made the news. Just a passing mention mind, no indepth coverage yet. ;) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and again here (at the bottom). Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow, and here it is again in a separate story about the same issue. Think I'm notable yet? 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 00:22, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Friends of Five Creeks

Hey Melanie, thanks for all your help with FFC, PEM, and Cerrito Creek. You have been very helpful. It's nice to see someone so interested in local topics, it seems you care about the San Diego Area as much as I do for the Bay Area! Let me know if you ever need any help or an extra pair of eyes or an opinion.Thisbites (talk) 03:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Was it this Chabot Creek? This creek's springs remain large intact in the Oakland Hills, with some culverting, however, much of the foothills seems to have been culverted/channelized, and the flats are completely channelized. I used to play in Wildcat Creek, Strawberry Creek, and Schoolhouse Creek myself, with friends we would try and follow the creek all the way to its natural springs, we even found a few, pretty fun. I believe you have inspired me to start the article however, Chabot Creek. And that way I'll find everything that I can.Thisbites (talk) 08:35, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Chabot Creek

Well that was the wrong Chabot, lol. The Museum of California and USGS usually have the best information, particularly their maps. Here is a map of the area. I will look into this further. Are you sure it is called Chabot Creek? Did you or only some people call it Chabot Creek? Was it known by other names? Did it not really have an official name? Was their signage?

So upon inspecting the Museum of California map and the USGS map its seems we have a few candidates. Which side of highway 24? What year did you play in the creek? The Broadway Branch seems to be the most obvious candiate but it was buried in 1850 according to the legend The rockridge branch seems to make it close to both College and Broadway but not Keith. The three steets don't really come together, Keith and Broadway touch College but not one another. If you could give me a more precise location I can figure it out. Was it in Berkeley city limits or Oakland city limits? Two other options may be Harwood/Claremont Creek bit it seems a bit out of the way. I believe the creek you knew as Chabot Creek is actually Temescal Creek, based on the fact that you believed it may have been covered by Highway 24. There are two small portions of the creek that are still running much the way you described the creeks fed into culverts. Since it is cut off from the upper Temescal Creek headwaters in the Oakland Hills and the other portion that empties into the Emeryville Crescent State Park and is close to Chabot Street I think this is it. Howevr Harwood/Claremont Creek has a small portion that is not culverted that passes along parallel to Chabot Street. Do you remember the name of the street it was on or that you lived on? Glad to have helped. And lol. Drove me nuts figuring it out. Love maps though and creeks/outdoors so can't complain.Thisbites (talk) 09:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

And I am still curious so I dug deeper. Does this bridge look familiar? If so it was pared with the following: "Actually the creek isn't here, and hasn't been for a long time. It's in a culvert half a block south. However when these two houses were built, the creek did run here, and the gully and bridges remain." - So it may now be a gully =(Thisbites (talk) 10:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

There was also this on the creeks description: "The Grandview Branch (also called Vicente Creek) drains the Claremont Heights area and joins the culvert near Chabot School. A religious college has a nice open creek segment in its large back yard. Harwood Creek (a.k.a. Claremont Creek) joins in from the north. Below there it's culverted to the outflow in Emeryville, except for one peculiarity: a fake creek segment near Claremont and Telegraph, where part of the flow is diverted above-ground. "Thisbites (talk) 10:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Sherri Lightner

Thanks for cleaning this page up---something that was long overdue. Well done! Best regards - Bruce D. Lightner (talk) 19:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

MIra Mesa and Sorrento Mesa

Hi Melanie! I see that you and I have been editing pages with referrences to "Mira Mesa" and "Sorrento Mesa", and that you have just created a "Neighborhoods of San Diego" page for "Sorrento Mesa". I would like to discuss the use of both names with you, so that we do not end up redoing each other's work. Thanks! BariVaz (talk) 18:02, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Book notability

Hi,

I thought about your comments at AFD, there's some principles there I wanted to discuss, being good points that I've given some thought.

I think my main concern is this bit: "The truth is that every NOTABLE book gets coverage in major sources when it is released. Non-notable books (and we see a lot of them here at AfD) do not get reviewed". This is effectively arguing - how do we know a book is notable? Because it gets reviewed on publication. You've argued that books - even the kinds of books we would expect to cover (as notable) don't expect to get coverage or significant mentions post-publication. But effectively this would define "gained reviews at publication in multiple high quality sources" (or something to that effect) as a notability criterion for books. Are you proposing that we redefine as a sufficient criterion for notability for books, "1. Gained reviews in multiple high quality general media on publication"? If not, what more do you think is needed?

My own stance is that ultimately notability is trying to measure notice and impact (enduring significance, encyclopedicness, etc) of the book on the world. So the fact it caught editorial eyes on publication means little, because too many books get that kind of attention and having that as a sufficient level of attention would clash with "Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection". If it has any kind of lasting significance, then it will surely get attention post-publication, which would be the acid test.

Leaving it there till you read this, but interested to explore this and to hear your thoughts on it. FT2  02:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

If it were discussed wider, I think the question we are hitting is:

Notability and what Misplaced Pages is not require at heart, a way to gauge an item's impact or significance in the wider world, because Misplaced Pages is not indiscriminate. Often this is done by looking at significant coverage (GNG), on the assumption that once self promotion and indiscriminate cover is excluded, significant independent coverage is often a good proxy for significance.

Books may pose a problem because arguably, most books are not referenced much beyond the event of their publication (a single news event), yet on the other hand these kinds of publication reviews may be indiscriminate and often evidence nothing of significance beyond "new book release". As WP:NOT#NEWS warns, many events get brief but wide coverage, this doesn't always make them notable.

For example, a book column will probably be expected to review a certain number of books a week regardless of their quality (there isn't a choice not to review a book or only review significant books), and a book on a widely followed topic such as JFK or dieting will be reviewed in multiple media even if it has no great significance, just because it's a popular or interesting topic.

Given this, 1/ is significant coverage related to publication alone, sufficient or insufficient to show notability? 2/ Is publication-related coverage good quality or poor evidence of notice? 3/ What kind of media coverage suffices to show that a book is notable?

That's roughly the question I think we have. Does that sum it up? Any thoughts, or changes of emphasis? FT2  09:57, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

FT2  00:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sports Arena image

Apologies for the delay. I've added the image to the Midway article. If you need assistance with others, let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Tip o' the hat

You've been doing some nice work on 2011 end times prediction; I particularly like the addition addressing what hour of the day it occurs. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll do what I can this weekend, but I do have, well, a life. We shall see! --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Balboa Park GLAM project

Hello, I hope you are doing well. Thank you for your interest in the GLAM project with Balboa Park. I've created a page for the collaboration, and invite you to please list your name at WP:GLAM/BP so we can determine what size group we're looking at. As this collaboration has just started, if you have any questions, comments, ideas, etc., please leave them on the project's talk page. Thank you! --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Quick off the gun

Re the May 21 prophecy page and my shift to "Media anticipation and reaction"... My, you're quick to revert... please note: there is a difference between something being OR and it being "uncited"... my intro to the section wasn't OR (a quick look at any major news outlet's website over the last few days will support the statement). The material was uncited. I was just in the process of gathering a few sources to support it when you reverted. That said, no problem with the revert... I can wait. Blueboar (talk) 20:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it has been fun. (Just past 6:00 here in New York City... no earthquake - for some reason, I'm actually feel a bit disappointed). Reminds me of the new years celebrations back in 2000, watching everyone celebrate time zone by time zone around the world. Blueboar (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Boiler Room Girls

I imagine that if we had a Robert F. Kennedy presidential campaign, 1968 it would be the perfect article to merge Boiler Room Girls into. Wait, we actually have that article? Well, I support a merge to that article, but feel it would not be right to merge it with the other two. I know it's been 10 months since you proposed the merger...just letting you know that I concur and support. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Regarding this message: could you let me know specifically what part of the nomination procedure you found confusing? Was it the actual nomination (e.g., creating the nomination, filling out the template), or the review process? The procedure for posting nominations is basically my doing and I'm looking forward to hearing feedback and suggestions about it; the review process is basically out of my control, although I am trying to make a clearer checklist to hopefully make it less daunting for people. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK reviewing

Thanks for your review of my DYK nomination at Template talk:Did you know/Ramsay Heatley Traquair. I should say, though, that I mentioned your review when I was discussing here how long it took to do what I consider an adequate review of all the points on the checklist (which I know is controversial - Tony1 created the wording, and I put it into a template for him). The one I did is at Template talk:Did you know/Wacław Gluth-Nowowiejski. I support the checklist in principle, but I think a discussion is needed on how long people are expected to spend reviewing DYK nominations, as you will see from what I said at Tony1's talk page (I think some sort of balance between the extremes needs to be struck). I'm hoping that discussion can be started at WT:DYK, but wanted to let you know that I'd mentioned you in this connection. I had half been hoping someone would do an exhaustive review of the article I wrote using that checklist, but maybe that should be done after DYK. Anyway, something to discuss, hopefully. Carcharoth (talk) 04:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply on my talk page. I should say that I agree that hour-long reviews are a bit much, but that would be needed for some of the longer new articles. Also, I took an hour because I was doing it for only the fifth time or so. If I did it regularly, it would get faster, I'm sure. I think about 10 minutes for short article and 20 minutes for longer ones is reasonable. What should be the point, though, is that a review should take as long as needed - i.e. it should depend on the length of the article, not on the time a reviewer has available. As I said, hopefully this will be discussed at WT:DYK at some point. Carcharoth (talk) 07:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Moving a page to a redirect

Hi Melanie N.,

If you want to move a page to a title already being used for a redirect, it is very easy. Just enter the title. After it redirects, at the top of the page, it'll say "redirect from ." Click on the blue link, which is the tile entered, and it'll bring you to the redirect's text page, which is fully editable. Once you get there, click EDIT to edit that page, and enter {{db-move|1=PAGE TO BE MOVED HERE|2=REASON FOR MOVE}} at the top, then save your changes. Indicate in your edit summary that this is a desired page move. An administrator will soon make the move. This technique can be used for uncontroversial moves, such as moving over a redirect. Tatterfly (talk) 15:16, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Notability

University schools of this, that and the other thing, even major ones, are named or renamed after millionaires, politicians, their relatives, etc., all the time. Such naming rights are sold in the marketplace for cash donations, and said naming is not evidence of notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ronne Froman

On 23 August 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ronne Froman, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Rear Admiral Ronne Froman, the first woman to serve as the "Navy Mayor of San Diego", became the Chief Operating Officer of the city of San Diego after retiring from the Navy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template talk:Did you know/Ronne Froman.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Newbie needing help

	Newbie needing help
	I'm trying to fix the population stat on San Diego. This seemed like it should be easy. It was not. Maybe you could help me. I posted a request but it probably was not formatted right. The whole process I find way too cumbersome. LeeRP (talk) 04:56, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

closure comment

Hi, you were mentioned in this AFD close, ...no wories, I trimmed it to 15 percent of what it was, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi, I noticed you commented on my deletion discussion on the History of the Green Party of Ontario, so I was wondering if you had any comments you'd like to add to my discussion here on the deletion of History of the Green Party of Canada. Aaaccc (talk), 24 September 2011 (UTC)

User:In_fact

Hello. You added a {{spa}} template to this discussion for User:In_fact. This user has over 2000 edits since September 2010 well outside of the subject area. I cannot fathom how I should take your actions in good faith. If I see it again in another discussion, I will report you to a noticeboard for deliberately misusing the SPA template to persuade a discussion in your favor. You should go to their talk page and apologize.--v/r - TP 20:19, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for apologizing to him. I feel I owe you a bit of an apology too. I was upset about something else and I was unfairly harsh. Last night after some thought I figured that maybe it was a mistake. I shouldn't have misdirected my frustration about something completely unrelated to you or the AFD.--v/r - TP 14:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

inre Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dianne Burnett

Thank you for an excellent discussion. I agree that there is currently not enough available online to link Diane Burnett to the projects she (allegedly) co-created with ex-husband Mark Burnett. I suggest we redirect the article on Dianne to Mark Burnett#Personal life and encourage that her earlier partnership with him be expanded and sourced over time and through regular editing. Schmidt, 07:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

This is what can happen....

During our recent AFD discussions, our exchanges of ideas and my own research led me to believe an article about the film Jam was worth creating. Now in mainspace, Jam (film) is the result. Thanks for being part of the inspiration. Schmidt, 08:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad that worked out, and glad we all came to an amicable resolution of the Dianne Burnett question. --MelanieN (talk) 14:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson (2nd nomination)

Hi MelanieN. Because you participated in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson, you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 23:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

HIPAA Compliance

Sorry if this is not posted in the correct section. I wanted to thank you for your notes regarding removal of the article on HIPPA Certification. Your assessment is very accurate; the content of the article is a basic cut and paste advertisement from hipaatrainig.net (aka SupremusGroup) The opening statement of this article is correct, and can be found on official US Government- HHS WEB pages: "As per The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), which manages Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Rule, there is no company entrusted to certify individual as "HIPAA Certified" . For the remainder of this article, the author has simply posted his online marketing catalog of products and services available (only from hippatraining.net) for individuals to become HPAA Certified Experts. This is problematic given the emphasis noted above. Finally, the author has not argued that his article is aligned with the intent of Misplaced Pages or that the content is consistent with Misplaced Pages guidelines; he only gives reasons why hippatrainig.net feels this training adds value to individuals and organizations. Without arguing the merits of hippatraining.net products and services, I do not believe that this form of advertising is appropriate content for Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.2.182 (talk) 00:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Dave Kaptain/Mayors

Thanks for chipping in on that deletion debate. Overall I think there are problems there with WP:BIAS and inconsistent outcomes.... possibly the WP:POLITICIAN guideline is insufficiently clear on the Mayor stuff? Valenciano (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I have opened a discussion on WP:POLITICIAN. Valenciano (talk) 21:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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William Elfving

You're more patient than I am. I would usually do what you're doing, but I felt a little je ne sais quois about this one...— alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Stanford University

Hey, I've been working on creating WikiProject Stanford University. As a primary editor of the Stanford University article, I figured this might be relevant to you :) —Disavian (/_contribs) 05:43, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

School Anthem

Hello,

I have responded to your comment at my talk page. Thank you. Shahrulazwad (talk) 03:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Outside Bozeman

Hi. Given your involvement with Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Outside Bozeman Magazine, I'd like you to know that a similar article on the same magazine, Outside Bozeman, is up for deletion. Please join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Outside Bozeman. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 04:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.

Your comment about me on the AfD for John Harnett ] was greatly appreciated. Thanks a big bunch! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 23:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

You're not the first to compliment me about my username. Yes, it's a cross between "Dominus vobiscum" and "Wo bist du?". Glad you like it! Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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Richmond City Council AFDs

Instead of having a seperate bullet point for each !vote, you should bundle them in to one paragraph and/or embolden the person you're talking about. Otherwise, it just comes off as looking like voting a bunch of times Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 00:45, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Purplebackpack89's mass nominations

For the purposes of full disclosure I want you to know I have nominated the actions of User:Purplebackpack89 at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Abusive mass nominations for deletion and wikistalking of opponents to deletionLuciferwildcat (talk) 08:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Harpreet Sandhu

I have expanded and added a lot more information with regards to notability and reliable sources at Harpreet Sandhu which you may want to have a look at. hereLuciferWildCat (talk) 15:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Purplebackpack89

I am unhappy that the investigation of this user got shut down so fast, he was trolling my talk page all day yesterday and dropped a ONE SOURCE flag on top of a piece I'm working on with a CONSTRUCTION banner clearly indicated, which is a clear manifestation of stalking behavior. I'm leaving this here per your ANI comment "he's never stalked me," to that effect. He has me and I don't have a place to make that clear due to ANI being shut down in record time in his case. Just so you know. Keep up the good work. Carrite (talk) 19:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It appears that Carrite is canvassing you. Your talk page is not the place to discuss this. If you want to discuss this, please do so on his page, my page, or ANI Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 19:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Dude stop stalking him, he is clearly not talking to you at this moment. Carrite you can open a new ANI thread if you want, it is easy. You can ask me if you want info.LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Inherent notability for elementary schools which have been "Blue Ribbon Schools"

I am contacting you because you participated in either the AFD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kennedy Middle School (Cupertino, California) which resulted in a redirect or the deletion review Misplaced Pages:Deletion review#Kennedy Middle School (Cupertino, California) which resulted in restoration of the article because it was once a "Blue Ribbon School". I have opened a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#US elementary schools: Inherent notability: for "Blue Ribbon Schools" as to whether the 5200 schools which have been found awarded the "Blue Ribbon" seal of approval get inherent notability, or if they each have to satisfy WP:ORG via significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. Your input is welcome. Thanks! Edison (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Casmalia, California

In response to your question about Casmalia, I would say that the name is of Spanish origin considering that it is derived from a Mexican land grant called "Rancho Casmalia." The only articles I included in that category which I was completely unsure about were the two containing "Cuyama," which, of course, you reverted. --JohnnyLurg (talk) 17:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Mindell Penn

Mindell Penn has had numerous updates including several new references from major newspapers such as the Sacramento Bee, Beaufort Gazette, and San Francisco Chronicle, it may be in your interest to review them in light of the deletion debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luciferwildcat (talk • contribs) 00:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you help me find more sources for St. David School (Richmond, California)?LuciferWildCat (talk) 00:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey there

From your involvement in digging up sources for the mass nomination of city council members it seems you are great at it. Would you mind helping me out or pointing me in the direction of sources for St. David School (Richmond, California)? I would very much appreciate it.LuciferWildCat (talk) 05:30, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

List of museums

I replied where you originally posted on the museum listing page. Maile66 (talk) 02:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Removing the references

I can see where you're coming from. The problem is your argument boils down to, "An article being at AfD excuses people to make edits that would normally be undone". Had Unscintillating dumped those references in the manner he did into a more established or watched article, he almost certainly would have been undone or reverted. Also note that I was not the only editor to feel that way about the references. I also think you're being too hard on me and not hard enough on Lucifer Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

With regard to "policy doesn't support removal of the references", the question isn't so much about policy as it is about style, and whether the references make the article better in the way they're presented. Having looked at two of the three references (the third is behind a paywall), I can say they don't...they hardly talk about Penn at all, and certainly not in the general manner you'd except from a general (non-inline) reference. Non-inline references certainly can be used; but not if they're of the provincial nature these are with regard to the topic Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 18:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Notice of discussion at the Notability Noticeboard

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Rescue Metro Walk

Hi, I hate to bother you but is there any way you can help me save Metro Walk? I think this article is headed to the chopping block but I have been able to find quite a few references. I need some help editing it and finding more sources if there is something that you could do to help I would be most appreciative.LuciferWildCat (talk) 03:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

confusing to update own comment

Re It's easier to follow a thread if editors append to (and sign) their previous comment instead of changing something that's already been replied to. Nobody Ent 15:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I have fixed it. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Emailing "beyond the pale"

Sorry, it's perfectly acceptable. Just as it is perfectly acceptable to comment here. You clearly hold some grudge against me because you don't like earlier comments I made here Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 03:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)