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Stolen Honor -- again

You may want to keep an eye on Stolen Honor. TDC has been making the same old edits as Rex used to, claiming that because Sherwood has an article of his own, any information about Sherwood in the SH article is "irrelevant", blahdy blahdy bloo. -- Antaeus Feldspar 04:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

He's a fun one. --kizzle 04:17, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Supreme Court

The United States Supreme Court article is up as a Featured Article Candidate Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States here, and I thought you'd want to look it over before it goes through. It looks pretty good to me, but I'm not a lawyer. Dave (talk) 16:49, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Avalon Hill

I'm glad you think the article on Avalon Hill is in good shape. If you look at the beginning of the talk page, you'll see some discussion about the introduction of the hexagonal grid. Were you around at AH way back then? or did you pick up any information on the subject from other employees' reminiscing? By the way, let me point out one of the tips Alphax gave you (no one expects you to pick up all of our Wikiways immediately): You can sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (Mike Selinker 17:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC)). It's easier than typing "Mike", and it creates an automatic link to your user page, plus a time stamp, which is often helpful in keeping track of a discussion JamesMLane 08:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. But, I'm 37. For me to have been around when Avalon Hill supposedly introduced the honeycomb puts me at, I dunno, -12 years old. We didn't have a lot of old timers around when I was there in 2001-2003. Mike Selinker 17:49, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

(this section was moved here from your talk page by Dave (talk) 18:16, August 12, 2005 (UTC))

Palm Beach reversions by agiantman

I went away for a while(off to Colombus) and came back, noticing that all the Palm beach stuff was back. Now, I said I didn't mind a quick sentece, but this has all of the schizophrenic implications again. Should I just revert it out or will that just cause a revert war? Any suggestions from a lawyer?:)Voice of All(MTG) 03:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

What the heck is going on there? It seems like several anons and Agiantman keep reverting POV anti-Kennedy material into the article. Can somebody have this guy's IP checked? Are the anons one man using AOL or several sockpuppets? This is just getting ridiculous. The "waitress sandwich" section is just garbage.Voice of All(MTG) 03:12, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

I think that the newest vote is flawed due to sockpuppetry(even though the POV anons are STILL LOSING). They all signed on the "for" column so quickly, and all the anon IPs are suspicious. I like how he claims that democrats don't play fair with elections :). Funny...but also sad....Voice of All(MTG) 06:57, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Silverback

As proof that sometimes the process of civility and reason works even with editors who had previously seemed unreasonable, I note that Silverback reverted to a JamesMLane version. Sometimes civility works. In any case, one cannot restore civilization by uncivilized behavior. Robert McClenon 23:24, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Agiantman

I think that I will have to write an RfC against User:Agiantman for uncivility. Also, the quickpoll on the Palm Beach Rape trial has now been trashed by stuffing it with a previous different survey. Robert McClenon 11:47, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I will more or less take your advice. I will begin writing the RfC, but will wait to post it. Robert McClenon 15:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You say that you do not share my apparent optimism that reasoning with him with help. I am not optimistic, but I have to try to be reasonable and civil. Robert McClenon 19:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Rosemary Kennedy

Article watchlisted as requested. Robert McClenon 17:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

New Wikiproject Las Vegas

I have noted your interest in Las Vegas, Nevada and surrounding area. I extend the offer to join us on the Wikiproject Las Vegas. …Guy M…  13:52, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Something you might be very interested in

n:2004_Bush_campaign_chairman_pleads_guilty_to_election_fraud,_conspiracy

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/08/10/national/w231835D50.DTL

Kevin Baas 00:32, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Warning

I have deleted your personal attack on my talk page. Please refrain from leaving any future messages for me as I will consider it harrassment. I remind you of the wiki policy on Civility.--Agiantman 00:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

James, I feel ya buddy. --kizzle 01:30, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

The message that user:JamesMLane left for Agiantman was extremely civil. Deleting warnings about bad behavior is, by itself, evidence of bad faith. -Willmcw 01:44, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, kizzle and Willmcw. I will for the most part refrain from attempting to tell Agiantman anything, because the effort seems to be a waste of time. Of course, there could be occasions when I would want to leave him a message, in which case I will; he gets no peremptory challenges to people who can edit his talk page. JamesMLane 07:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Precisely!

You voted exactly as I thought you would! James, you help me define where the center is and I thank you for that!--MONGO 09:32, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

this one of course--MONGO 09:46, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ya, should have let you know here. That place was a hell hole for awhile...I longed for a little rumble back in the Georgie page just for a wikibreak! Truthfully, I signed up on a whim thinking it was more of a discussion thing being not so familiar about some of the various Wiki stuff out there but it has brought up some interesting issues that you may understand better than I. Certain images such as those in the discussion associated with the arguments are, er, descriptive. Jimbo Wales stated that he doesn't want Misplaced Pages to have to keep age of consent, etc on these pictures and the people in them on file anywhere. I know that in the U.S., every porn distributor, adult book peddler et al must have records on file...how does Misplaced Pages protect itself from a potential legal attack from Jerry Falwell? Does the lingo...💕, open to all, and the disclaimer that Misplaced Pages is not censored for minors provide ample protection?--MONGO 10:30, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

That's what I figured...that there was little chance of Misplaced Pages being in any real danger of being shut down or found in violation. My concern is that some "religious right" group might want to go after Misplaced Pages legally and break the bank so to speak...but probably not a real threat either. Thanks for the info anyhoo.--MONGO 11:13, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

That was illuminating and I do appreciate it. I don't know why, but for some odd reason, I want Misplaced Pages to succeed. One comment in that awful Vfd cast a spell over me...paraphrased: College professors and educators DO NOT recommend Misplaced Pages as a reference point...instead that it is just a biased blog. That tweaked me because I would like to think that almost all the articles I have seen are well referenced, oftentimes complex and well written...even the Bush article is excellent in it's coverage. It would be nice to have this enterprise be the reference point of the web...even now, two of my articles come up as the first link when you do a google search...probably because they are of obscure points of interest I suppose and there isn't much out there to begin with. Anyhoo...your thoughts are appreciated...thanks.--MONGO 08:35, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Conflation ?

Kizzle and Gamaliel have an interesting point. Maybe Agiantman is Rex.

What Agiantman tried to conflate two editors, I remembered your description of being suspicious of parapsychology and quackery. In my father's side of the family, we think that James McClenon is a quack. At the same time, he is our quack, and he should not be insulted without evidence. (As you have probably inferred by now, he accidentally mentioned an eccentric Robert McClenon 08:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

Please use user pages for personal discussion and let the article talk pages serve their purpose as a place to discuss article edits. In the future, I also ask that you refrain from personal attacks in your discussion. This really serves no one to engage in incivility. - Sleepnomore 21:50, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

If James personally attacked someone, it would be a first, as I've never seen him do it yet in the year that I've known him. --kizzle 22:05, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

No, not at all. I'm sure he's been very kind. This wasn't meant to call his character into question whatsoever. I'm sure he's glad he has friends like you to come to his aide however. :) - Sleepnomore 02:15, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe, but I think his track record alone is enough :). --kizzle 02:58, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

I have also been a victim of POV warrior User:JamesLLane's personal attacks. For documentation of POV warrior Kizzle's personal attacks, see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Agiantman&action=edit&section=11] :) --Agiantman 03:22, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I also endorse people to follow Agiantman's link. --kizzle 03:49, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

• I am doing my best to not get caught up in this same he-said, she-said that is going on in the page. I'm reverting the talk page because the RfC's are nothing more than personal attacks, for the most part. This is acceptable under WP:RPA and specifically addresses the issue of no personal attacks . I'll ask again that you work with this system and allow the page to discuss the article, not the users involved. Thanks in advance for your help in this matter as I know it become a politically heated battle. - Sleepnomore 07:12, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Most of those who have reverted have since agreed on their talk pages to let these items be removed. The only hold out (For the time) appears to be you. I'm just asking that you give this a chance. The distraction is only a distraction if you let it be one. Continued reverts to include personal attacks provide that catalyst. I would sincerely appreciate your helping to tone this down. The people will still be accountable as the edit history shows what they have said. Obviously, that history remains no matter what. - Sleepnomore 07:49, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

After your statement above (at 7:49 UTC) alleging that I was the lone holdout, two other users reverted to the version I favored. I could probably assemble more evidence by going to users' talk pages, but I really don't want to. I'm thoroughly sick of this derivative edit war. JamesMLane 09:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule

I am aware of the Three Revert Rule, but I'm also aware that I'm not violating it. The 3RR page states: This policy does not apply to self-reverts or correction of . When you look at the description of simple vandalims the following is one such description: ;Changing people's comments: editing signed comments by another user to substantially change their meaning (e.g. turning someone's vote around), except when removing a personal attack (which is somewhat controversial in and of itself) In general personal attacks are not allowed. By continuing to revert the page, it is the samething as if you had added the attacks yourself. I have addressed the issues that have been added to the page but I've done so where the discussion belongs -- on user talk pages. I ask once again that you follow this simple rule yourself in the future. Its not that difficult to let go of this anger is it? Its not a matter of anything other than a need to put all this behind us as far as the article goes. You can keep your personal hatred and RfC's all you want, but please don't keep reverting and dragging new users into this. - Sleepnomore 08:21, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

If anyone had bothered to write you up for 3RR violation, one or ore admins would have had to consider the argument you make. My personal opinion is that most Misplaced Pages admins, looking at your specific edits, would conclude that you had violated 3RR. I'm gad to see, however, that no one tried to have you blocked, so the point is moot. I'm completely in agreement with letting go of my anger. In fact, I'll go one better and say that we should let go of this derivative edit war entirely. JamesMLane 09:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I wrote her up. The continued lying showed lack of good faith.--Silverback 09:28, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

And your continued misrepresentation of what I was doing serves absolutely no purpose. This certainly was in better faith than continually adding personal attacks to a page that is already rife with it. Your 3RR writeup is fine. I think the history on this subject will speak for itself. In the mean time, I ask you both to reconsider the need to keep this personal discussion and infighting on an article talk page. That is not what wikipedia is for. Your User RfC's can still use the edit history of the talk page to make your points, but by cleaninng up the talk page itself, we free new users from the need to shuffle through needless argumentative talk in order to discuss making the article better. - Sleepnomore 16:55, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

User_talk:4.22.151.195

My apoligies, James, I had already blocked him and was leaving a test5 message when you placed another warning, sorry. Func( t, c, @, ) 17:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Felix Rodriguez

Looks like TDC inserted the exact same paragraph here he tried to stick into John Kerry back in July. Will you have a look? I'm not familiar enough with the incident to get into it with him at this point. Gamaliel 19:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

WP:RD/H

Thanks for your response about Bernard Kerik's nomination. That subject came to mind during the current dismal response to the New Orleans disaster in that a patronage nomination was even considered appropriate. :-( hydnjo talk 19:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Ruth Riley, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Template box editing

You edited the template box on Ruth Riley by adding a pipe near the end. I'm not familiar with how these boxes work. When I created the article, I just copied the Naismith Award box from the Lisa Leslie article. Comparing the Riley page as it's displayed before and after your edit, I don't see any difference. Can you explain to me what difference the pipe makes, for my future reference?

By the way, I noticed that you also eliminated the skipped lines after the headings. I always include them, because it doesn't affect the display and (to my eye) it makes later editing easier, but obviously it's no big deal. Thanks for any help you can give about the template format. JamesMLane 06:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for your interest. Adding the pipe at the end wouldn't have made any difference. The bigger difference was made on the Template:Naismith Award Winners Women. If you can compare the differences on the history section, there was a major error on the table syntax: link. Take a look, and you'll see what was wrong. I removed the lines because most of the articles are done that way. If you want to add them back, feel free to do so. Thank you, -- WB 23:27, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Good faith?

To the person writing as “James M Lane” - That doesn't quite count as "assuming good faith", but it is funny. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:22, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Lively DU discussion

I appreciate our discussion of my edits I attempted to add to the DU entry. As a fellow attorney I am sure you appreciate differences of opinion which are not personal in nature. That was my thinking re: DU. Considering your comments, I am wondering how those banned DU members who are not to the politically left and right may be addressed in this entry. I do not believe omitting them makes the DU entry more accurate.

If DU were to disappear tomorrow, it would be a disservice to those progressives and democrats who still frequent that site and participate there. However, these administrative policies will eventually be reported in the MSM and the credibility of everyone participating there will be impaired.

Other than the DU post I referred to which evidently got my posting privileges suspended, it would appear that I am the typical DU target member. Oh well, I guess 300 non-critical posts are of no value when one critical post is weighed against you.

Some of my edits at Misplaced Pages may take time to meet all the rules and standards, but as I become more familiar with the format I hope to bring something positive to this site. As always, I am open to suggestions. ThanksJFKer 16:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Tort Reform Article

I am having some issues with an editor that wants to retain a one sided article on Tort Reform. I thought you might want to check it out.

Whitfield Larrabee 19:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Cruel, cruel JamesMLane

Do I talk about you that way? No, I am decent and kind and respectful. And all I ask is for a little love and a little respect in return (and maybe a pat on the head now and then). And this is how you insult me. Well, I can do better than you mister! I'm out of here! You won't have old Rush to kick around anymore. ... and then you'll be sorry. !!!! Rush Limbaugh 00:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

If you created that username just to be able to cry personal attack against James, you are a very sad sad man. --kizzle 23:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

And if he picked it because that's really his name, then he's an even sadder man. JamesMLane 02:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and yet more with the personal attacks. Why am I not surprised? "Not impartial" am I? "Sad" am I? You spiteful, pitiful, subversive little liberals. I hope that you and Kizzle are happy together -- Hah, not! Just you wait Kizzle, someday JamesMLane will turn on you too. Then your world will crumble just like mine, and your only solace will be in the arms of Ann Coulter, that tramp. RushLimbaugh 16:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Are you for real? --kizzle 21:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

National Enquirer

Yep...If this current state of affairs isn't enough to drive George W Bush back to the bottle, then maybe he isn't suffering from being a dry drunk:)! But serious, the more I look at Bush and the more I listen to him, the more I think he closely resembles Alfred E. Neuman See for yourself!

--MONGO 05:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, in addition to Bushisms we now have Neumanisms...amazing parallels I might say myself.

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my userpage...also, I noticed that the comparison of Mr. Neuman and Mr. Bush is unfair to Mr. Neuman...his quotes make more sense than Bush's by a long-shot!--MONGO 07:35, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Be afraid...be very afraid: "I'm the master of low expectations." Bush aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

Hey James... hate to be a wet blanket but you need to remove the pic of the honorable Alfred E. Neuman Jr. - it's copyright and not suitable for user pages. (See the notice at http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Alfred.jpg) --Singkong2005 13:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Usually I don't censor my talk page, but copyvio is a necessary exception. Singkong2005 raises a valid point. Accordingly, I'm removing Image:Alfred.jpg, which MONGO included in his comment in this section. JamesMLane 23:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Requested

Per community consensus, Arbitration has been requested against BigDaddy777. Please add any details or comments you feel are appropriate. Mr. Tibbs 03:15, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BigDaddy777

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BigDaddy777 has been accepted. Please place evidence at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/BigDaddy777/Evidence Fred Bauder 15:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

wow

I know you're trying to stay out of all this mess, but you gotta check this out: User_talk:BigDaddy777#The_Wikipedia_That_Was. And archive your page you lazy bastard! --kizzle 20:14, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

I know you've been asked before, but would you object to being nominated for adminship? Let me know, you definitely deserve it. -Greg Asche (talk) 21:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

• I agree wholeheartedly...if for no other reason then as a reward for your civility, your intelligence and for patience, especially when dealing with someone like me!--MONGO 09:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

slime

I understand that you are trying to stay out of the BigDaddy slimepit. But, in case you are not monitoring Karl Rove, I thought I should bring this to your attention. BD essentially accuses you of anti-Semitism, "Jew-baiting" in particular. Regards, Derex @ 17:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if this discussion might be relevant to the page? Think about it ... Texas, same style, same tricks, & I bet old Karl's getting real irritable right about now. Derex @ 21:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

JamesMLane wrote: "Oh, and, kizzle, next week's cabal meeting has been postponed because of Yom Kippur."

--JamesMLane 09:29, 7 October 2005

Every man deserves an opportunity to defend himself. You suggested it was a joke. What's the punch line? Thanks! Big Daddy 22:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Hallelujah. --kizzle 00:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)