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| I've given up hope on the Carlingford Lough Page. The term ''International'' was removed without consensus, but I'm sure if I reverted that, I'd be quoted 1RR and asked to start a discussion. | I've given up hope on the Carlingford Lough Page. The term ''International'' was removed without consensus, but I'm sure if I reverted that, I'd be quoted 1RR and asked to start a discussion. | ||
| So ''International'' has been removed, yet ''The border'' is piped to an international border, which apparently doesnt exist between NI and ROI, as NI is not considered a country by some. But when I suggest to make the same pipe from the location field:NI-ROI border, it is blocked, because apparently NI isnt a country, even though we are talking purely about location. Ohh and consistency doesnt matter anymore, apparently. Get reading Murry1975 and see what you think of respective arguments.] (]) 23:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC) | So ''International'' has been removed, yet ''The border'' is piped to an international border, which apparently doesnt exist between NI and ROI, as NI is not considered a country by some. But when I suggest to make the same pipe from the location field:NI-ROI border, it is blocked, because apparently NI isnt a country, even though we are talking purely about location. Ohh and consistency doesnt matter anymore, apparently. Get reading Murry1975 and see what you think of respective arguments.] (]) 23:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :If consistencey matters to you why dont you call it the "Ireland-Northern Ireland Border"? Gravy you have to expect people to see somethings differently than you do. I am reading over the article it links to and the talkpages along with the editors who got banned history, on this and similar articles. There are a couple of crackers, but in fairness you should be reading over these and getting a more rounded approach to editing, not mainly on one article. As for your point on international that can be looked at several ways, mostly incorrect, but thats been ran over many times and follows a pattern of logic. ] (]) 00:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::You have left me confused. I thought that Republic of Ireland was to be used when referring to the state and Ireland when referencing the Island, so I am not sure how your suggestion would be consistent. My suggestion of ] is consistent with the text ]. I have read countless articles on the topic so I feel I am well prepared to edit, 1 page at a time. If you read the talkpage, I do not see an overwhelming majority for removal of the ''international term''. I know the discussion died 6 months ago but I am still not sure why you made the revert or even cared...] (]) 00:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::A couple of things, one- Ireland pipelinked to the article Republic of Ireland is used when there is no chance of confusion, its in IMOS. And two if have have read countless articles on the topic you missed that. The revert I made was to a blue link being turned red, which is what happened, some would label that as vandalism, it was done more than once, one the first account if it was me I would AGF but from then on I would have considered it vandalism, again after you readied yourself you missed that one. | |||
| :::From a logical view to have an international border you would need international status and recognition. NI does have these as part of the UK. So can NI truely have an international border? Can County Down? Or Louth? No. That was the premise of rejecting NI-ROI international border, nothing to do with whether NI is a country or not. If you want international in the lead go with UK-ROI if you want NI-ROI in the lead go without internatonal. | |||
| :::As for the infobox, where would you say it is? NI-ROI? UK-ROI? Its splitting hairs, the DR admin said it would be good to be more specific. But like everything on wiki this open to debate. Specifically how specific, to give readers and understanding? to give people with low level knowledge of Europe a grasp of the intricacies of Irish related geography and politics in one go? Wiki is an encyclopaedia and deals with many different levels of readers, keep it good, keep it accurate and keep it neutral.] (]) 00:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Murry1975, thanks for putting a good word in for me with reference to the Carlingford Lough incident. Bjmullan (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Bjmullan, I thaught it was an odd block with what the troubles template states. HJ stated what way he read it, there was nothing else to do other than get clarification. Sorry it didnt turn out the way we would have liked it, as I stated I would have done the same, I guess we read it one way and HJ another. Domer has being trying to show past incidents of occurance to show it was a revert within the restrictions. Take care.Murry1975 (talk) 12:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Murry, I'd be very grateful if you checked out my Carlingford Lough contributions - very first effort, so probably lots of infringements DaveRoxburgh (talk) 20:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I've given up hope on the Carlingford Lough Page. The term International was removed without consensus, but I'm sure if I reverted that, I'd be quoted 1RR and asked to start a discussion. So International has been removed, yet The border is piped to an international border, which apparently doesnt exist between NI and ROI, as NI is not considered a country by some. But when I suggest to make the same pipe from the location field:NI-ROI border, it is blocked, because apparently NI isnt a country, even though we are talking purely about location. Ohh and consistency doesnt matter anymore, apparently. Get reading Murry1975 and see what you think of respective arguments.Gravyring (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- If consistencey matters to you why dont you call it the "Ireland-Northern Ireland Border"? Gravy you have to expect people to see somethings differently than you do. I am reading over the article it links to and the talkpages along with the editors who got banned history, on this and similar articles. There are a couple of crackers, but in fairness you should be reading over these and getting a more rounded approach to editing, not mainly on one article. As for your point on international that can be looked at several ways, mostly incorrect, but thats been ran over many times and follows a pattern of logic. Murry1975 (talk) 00:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- You have left me confused. I thought that Republic of Ireland was to be used when referring to the state and Ireland when referencing the Island, so I am not sure how your suggestion would be consistent. My suggestion of Northern Ireland - Republic of Ireland border is consistent with the text the border. I have read countless articles on the topic so I feel I am well prepared to edit, 1 page at a time. If you read the talkpage, I do not see an overwhelming majority for removal of the international term. I know the discussion died 6 months ago but I am still not sure why you made the revert or even cared...Gravyring (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
- A couple of things, one- Ireland pipelinked to the article Republic of Ireland is used when there is no chance of confusion, its in IMOS. And two if have have read countless articles on the topic you missed that. The revert I made was to a blue link being turned red, which is what happened, some would label that as vandalism, it was done more than once, one the first account if it was me I would AGF but from then on I would have considered it vandalism, again after you readied yourself you missed that one.
- From a logical view to have an international border you would need international status and recognition. NI does have these as part of the UK. So can NI truely have an international border? Can County Down? Or Louth? No. That was the premise of rejecting NI-ROI international border, nothing to do with whether NI is a country or not. If you want international in the lead go with UK-ROI if you want NI-ROI in the lead go without internatonal.
- As for the infobox, where would you say it is? NI-ROI? UK-ROI? Its splitting hairs, the DR admin said it would be good to be more specific. But like everything on wiki this open to debate. Specifically how specific, to give readers and understanding? to give people with low level knowledge of Europe a grasp of the intricacies of Irish related geography and politics in one go? Wiki is an encyclopaedia and deals with many different levels of readers, keep it good, keep it accurate and keep it neutral.Murry1975 (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)