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| I removed the part about "Ukrainians robbing Bukowsko" because there is no documentary evidence provided here that this occurred, and if it did occur (and it was only Ukrainians), no context was provided to prove that.. As an avid reader of both holocaust and Ukrainian historical literature, I'm well aware that there were such things going on in Poland and Ukraine, but it seems that the placement of this phrase was (a.) something of a non-sequitor; and (b.) not substantiated. It's pretty well known that during the holocaust in Poland, non-Jewish neighbors who witnessed the expulsions of Jews from their homes would often loot the houses afterward - that includes Ukrainians AND Poles. You're talking about poor people who didn't have anything and who knew that the Jews were probably not coming back. (Sad, but true - and something different than implying that Ukrainians were the only ones looting.) So the author is very sure that no Poles or other ethnic groups participated? Highly doubtful. No documentary evidence substantiates that it was ONLY Ukrainians who robbed Jewish homes. Perhaps there's some kind of testimonial evidence - meaning that someone once upon a time said that it was the Ukrainians who did it, and only mentioned the Ukrainians. Not good enough to pass the evidence test. As an ethnographic researcher I can tell you that individual memories are sometimes unreliable when it comes to pointing out perpetrators of war crimes, which is why documentary evidence is needed to reinforce it. | |||
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| Whoever did that, well obviously, it was a reprehensible action. However, I don't think that unsubstantiated statements like that should be tolerated on Misplaced Pages. Another overall problem with this article is that it was written in passive tense. Isn't it interesting how - other than the finger pointing at the Ukrainians - subjects (e.g. NAZI GERMANS) aren't readily identified. Perhaps stating that the Nazi German Einsatzgruppe units were responsible for the killings would be a good start. ] (]) 02:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Revision as of 02:47, 11 March 2012
I removed the part about "Ukrainians robbing Bukowsko" because there is no documentary evidence provided here that this occurred, and if it did occur (and it was only Ukrainians), no context was provided to prove that.. As an avid reader of both holocaust and Ukrainian historical literature, I'm well aware that there were such things going on in Poland and Ukraine, but it seems that the placement of this phrase was (a.) something of a non-sequitor; and (b.) not substantiated. It's pretty well known that during the holocaust in Poland, non-Jewish neighbors who witnessed the expulsions of Jews from their homes would often loot the houses afterward - that includes Ukrainians AND Poles. You're talking about poor people who didn't have anything and who knew that the Jews were probably not coming back. (Sad, but true - and something different than implying that Ukrainians were the only ones looting.) So the author is very sure that no Poles or other ethnic groups participated? Highly doubtful. No documentary evidence substantiates that it was ONLY Ukrainians who robbed Jewish homes. Perhaps there's some kind of testimonial evidence - meaning that someone once upon a time said that it was the Ukrainians who did it, and only mentioned the Ukrainians. Not good enough to pass the evidence test. As an ethnographic researcher I can tell you that individual memories are sometimes unreliable when it comes to pointing out perpetrators of war crimes, which is why documentary evidence is needed to reinforce it.
Whoever did that, well obviously, it was a reprehensible action. However, I don't think that unsubstantiated statements like that should be tolerated on Misplaced Pages. Another overall problem with this article is that it was written in passive tense. Isn't it interesting how - other than the finger pointing at the Ukrainians - subjects (e.g. NAZI GERMANS) aren't readily identified. Perhaps stating that the Nazi German Einsatzgruppe units were responsible for the killings would be a good start. Corinna Caudill (talk) 02:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)