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Controversy vs Conspiracy Theories

Please justify your removal of my edition on the correspondent talk page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Normal nick (talk • contribs) .

I did.--MONGO 04:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

No you didn't. You commented the off-topic secction. I was talking about the "Biased and Non-Standard Section Title "Conspiracy Theories"" section, particularily speaking about the "motivations for the change".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Normal nick (talk • contribs)

• Thank you so very much for your hard work on the American Airlines Flight 77 page. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I was worried I would have to constantly police the page for even the most veiled of conspiracy theory nonsense (made by people who will never admit their wording is "POV," when that is, in fact, precisely what it is), but I could never go too far, as I am not an administrator, and I can only do so much as an occasional user. I really appreciate that an administrator has the guts and the will to stand up to these guys who use insinuations and vagueness to mislead from the facts. I really, really, really appreciate it.

I wish more people would realize that just because a lot of people agree with them does not make their belief a fact. Just because their belief could be true or sounds like it could be true does not make it a fact. Just because coincidences happen does not make it a fact. If they can prove what they say, if reputable sources provide evidence to their claims, fine. Otherwise, it is merely a belief - as non-factual as creationism, Moonwalk conspiracy theories and the widespread misconception that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11 - and not a fact. And thank you so much again for providing a voice of reason and authority, and for recognizing that an encyclopedia - no matter who the contributors are, be they a group chosen by an editorial committe or the general public itself - should, at all times, be factual.

Thank you, thank you, thank you again.--JCaesar 10:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem...I have that watchlisted so any nonsense I remove...there is no end to this nonsense and it's inspiration ranges from political, to simply vandalism. In all but the rarest of examples, none of them provide any proof...only questions deliberately misleading and asking to prove things that are unprovable. I thank you for also helping to keep this nonsense minimized--MONGO 12:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Meditation

Hello. I'm here just to thank you for your politeness and neutral tone at dispute's moderation page. I also apologise you for having called you "assholes" in a private (At least it's the way I have taken it) conversation . It was just a coloquial manner of refearing to the oposition. No pun intended. Another thing that I feel I have to remeber you is that I never refered you directly as some sort of governamental spammer. I may have imagined it and expressed opinions that may lead to think I believe that. But it is to me a suposition, and never somekind of "belief". As I don't take you too seriously, you also shouldn't be doing it.Normal nick 13:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA Results and Thanks

MONGO, thank you for your constructive opposition in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. In the meantime, I will do my best to address your concerns in the hope that when the opportunity for adminship arises once again, you will reconsider your position. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Misplaced Pages, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path. --- joturner 05:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Just curious

Am I the one with the "knack for detail", or is that someone else? I didn't really consider myself a "contributor", although I would be honored to have been considered one. I can't find any more holes to poke in it, despite my fairly sensitive nit-detector. Good job. —Doug Bell 07:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Heads up

Respecting your wishes from the block log, I'm not unblocking, which the user has requested. It's all you. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:41, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

My (HereToHelp’s) RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) --HereToHelp 12:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Thakathi

Hi again. I am the nominator, and there have been new developments regarding this page; a knowledgable editor has appeared who redirected and rewrote the article. You may wish to revisit your vote, since you seemed to look for evidence of notability and seemed to qualify your vote with hesitancy. -- Mareklug 07:06, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

At last

...I've created a new national parks article. It is lacking pictures but I hope to attend to that soon. Karoo National Park, I've been on wikibreak for a while, and got to work on it yesterday, although most of the article was expanded by a certain Celestianpower. Cheers Banez 10:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Nah, it's your fault - if you hadn't started, I certainly wouldn't have touched it :P. --Celestianpower 16:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Super...it a lot of work to get these article going, but after you do a few, they do get easier. I also comment on your talk page.--MONGO 11:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah many thanks, the locator dot is indeed correct by my reckoning. You're right, its good to get the momentum on these and I hope to remove all the red links from the list of national parks in south africa article. Regards Banez 13:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry, I was too lazy to link it. :) List of national parks of South Africa. Cheers Banez 05:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

For your kind words. I earnestly welcome any and all advice if there are ways I can or should approach these situations differently, and I am grateful for your continued good faith. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh! I've focused a lot on Roman articles, sculpture, and of course, contributing any relevant photography I might have taken as my 'passion pages' :) . -- User:RyanFreisling @ 05:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Featured article? That's great. Congrats and thanks for your hard work! Oh, by the way - my college's select choir has our season finale on Saturday, we're singing Mozart's Requiem (a different, more recent arrangement though - with lots of fun new things to learn). Cheerful, to the last. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 05:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Too late - looks like it was promoted to featured article! It's a great article, too. It'll be of great service in helping readers to understand the historical climate changes and related issues of environmentalism. It's stunning, the simultaneous fragility and resilience of our world. Congratulations again on a fine, fine article. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. You were the only user who liked me so much that you voted for me twice. :] --CBDunkerson 17:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Bad Redirect

Striver made Bloger redirect to Blog. Obviously, this is spelled incorrect as it is "Blogger" not "Bloger". I don't know how to get rid of the redirect, maybe you can delete it? --Jersey Devil 20:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I nuked it.--MONGO 20:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.--Jersey Devil 20:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, he made this redirect from Inforwars.com to Infowars.com. Another case of mispelling. I think it should probably be deleted to, who is going to go checking for the non-existing "inforwars.com" website? --Jersey Devil 21:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hasta La Vista, Baby--MONGO 00:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello MONGO: Thank you for supporting me (twice!) in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. I hope I can perform at the standards expected for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodego 01:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

AN/I

I posted a note to AN/i here regarding Prasi90 (talk · contribs). I wanted to let you know directly so you could offer the rest of the story, and so you wouldn't feel like I was going behind your back. I opted for ANI, rather than direct discussion with you, because so many admins were involved in the situation, and also because AN/I will be a good forum for gathering together a consensus on how to proceed. I hope everything else is well. Essjay 03:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Land use

Actually, I'm in Canada, so the laws are a bit different. I was just interested if any of the land use controversies were being discussed on Misplaced Pages. But yeah, you were right about what I meant.SkeenaR 03:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I just want to leave.

Could you please get Kazafiel to stop reverting my talk page? I just want to fucking walk away from the project in peace. Thank you. Hpuppet - «Talk» 04:04, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

So all a guy has to do to get all the warnings from multiple editors (as well as a sockpuppet tag) removed from his page is ask someone to protect it? Sweet deal. If he just wants to leave, why does he need his talk page blanked? Is it because he said "fucking"? I can see how that would give you the impression that he's actually a quality editor at heart. Kafziel 04:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

He admitted he was a non-abusive sock of Hipocrite and then stated the account was now his username Hipocrite (talk · contribs) has also asked that that account be blanked and protected as he is leaving the project. No big deal.--MONGO 04:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

But he wasn't non-abusive. Several editors (including myself) have spent the last few days trying to stop his disruptions. He admitted to being a sockpuppet right off the bat, but only admitted being a sockpuppet of Hipocrite today, after CheckUser requests were filed. He vandalized and ranted as Hipocrite until he couldn't risk it anymore, so he made a sockpuppet. If he doesn't move his history, and he doesn't say what his old username was, then it's a sockpuppet. His history of abuse should result in a ban, not in his various user pages being blanked and protected. Kafziel 04:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh stop whining. If wants to leave, please allow him to depart in peace. The socksniffers can come later if need be. Please stop sabtaging this users humble request. -Zero 04:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

That's bullshit, and you know it. I've never vandalized a page in my life, and you're trying to make me look like the asshole? If he wants to leave, why doesn't he just leave? Why the blanking? Why the protection? Why ask a different admin to protect each of his different user pages? If he's really leaving, what does it matter? Doesn't it seem a little backwards to you to protect the vandal and then tell the editors who have had to deal with him that they're "whining"? Kafziel 05:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The point is, if he is gone, then there is no need to post anything to his userpage anyway. If he was vandalizing, then be happy he has left.--MONGO 05:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, can you just fucking make them stop? just wants to grind it in. Make it stop, please. Hpuppet - «Talk» 11:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

This editor is still editing under all three sockpuppet accounts and as you can see by the language used the editor is still a problem. Simply check the sockpuppet history accounts to confirm. If you feel the editor is going to leave and not come back then simply block all of the accounts including the IPs. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 12:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi90

I think Prasi90 can edit his user pages without having the ip unblocked. I am reluctant to unblock someone who may cause serious trouble. I have not been following the details of his actions. Fred Bauder 14:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello MONGO! Sorry about the delay in getting back to you about the mentorship idea I had suggested last week, but my computer at home went tits up...kicked it's little cyber legs in the air and died. I did leave Prasi90 a note on his page to let him know where I am at concerning the offer. At the present I am restricted to WP involvement only from the computer labs here at my school, or whenever a friend might give me access to their home PC. Frustrating. This, and the finals I have coming up will curtail the time I have available for the next few weeks. The spirit is willing, but the machinery is weak. I will be trying to keep track of events as they transpire. Regards, Hamster Sandwich 16:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Prasi90 up to his old tricks again

We've all heard this one before. I going to request Raul if a protection of his talkpage should be in order. -Zero 17:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Nah...Fred has decided not to unblock him, leaving only his page unprotected...he's by this means allowed to edit those, but cannoy edit anywhere else.--MONGO 18:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

"National Monuments of the United States"

I noticed your completed list of NMs. Do you think it would be a good idea to merge it with U.S. National Monument? The list could use some header info, and the article has a redundant partial list. I also think that article is inappropriately named, as putting "U.S." before "national" is neither proper, nor actually common usage. Perhaps National Monuments of the United States? — Eoghanacht 18:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

It was just a thought, and there is no hurry. Probably best to sleep on it before merging or renaming anyway. When was the Old Soldiers Home made an NM? — Eoghanacht 20:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Mitochondrial Creatures cont.

I've expanded the opening of the article somewhat to help assist the reader in the purpose of these creatures' role in the video games, and I also moved the images back to gallery format for the time-being, as I uploaded some new additions and it was interrupting the formatting. I'd like your humble opinion on the article, if possible. -Zero 15:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

New! Improved! Lemon scented!

Dear MONGO; please take a moment or two to read this post and the related discussion. I will be asking at WP:AN for the block to be lifted and the tags removed from Prasi90's page. Wish us both a little luck, would you old boy? Best regards, Hamster Sandwich 17:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

MONGO, I sincerly hope that nothing that I have done concerning my offer to help mentor Prasi90 has been mis-construed by you to have in any way been meant to be disrespectful towards you, or any other editor. I was drawn into the fray, so to speak through a perusal of the RfC page, something I look at regularly. I thought, "Well heres a situation where I might be able to help..." Thats the long and short of it. I ask only that you take a step back, be less a bit less intractible and give me a bit of room to help change the direction that Prasi90 took in his Wiki infancy. It could be a matter of giving him enough rope to hang himself, or it could be where he "gets it", and becomes a good solid editor. Stranger things have happened! Hamster Sandwich 18:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope that Prasi90 dosn't confuse kindness with weakness. I am willing to extend my good faith towards him, but if it is ever thrown back into my face... I have already informed him I will not suffer any foolishness. Thanks for understanding where I am coming from with this effort MONGO, I'm taking some baby steps here myself. Peace! Hamster Sandwich 18:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Accusations

What are you talking about Mongo? I wasn't accusing you of anything. And what kind of defense do you mean? No legal threats remember? If you want an honest answer from me, no, I wasn't accusing you of anything, but a lot of people will probably see your recent archives as a form of censorship, whether anyone paid you or not. I bet they will. Still, sorry about the misunderstanding. And please ask me about stuff before you go and get so pissed off. SkeenaR 03:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, in all honesty, when state that you work for USDHS and then immediately archive the ensuing discussion that lasted for about 3 days, I'm sure a lot of people are going to assume it's because you don't want people to see it. SkeenaR 03:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Now what are you on about? I already apologized for your misinterpretation and my possible ambiguity once above and once here. Twice ought to be sufficient even for you. SkeenaR 03:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

NWR Reply

Thanks for your message. I've replied on my talk page. ClarkBHM 15:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Censorship policy

I saw you voted in the earlier poll. Have you seen: Misplaced Pages talk:Censorship#Poll 2? Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The CIA and September 11 (book)

I hate pestering people's talk pages about AFD votes (or votes at all... it's very bad form really) but I've just done a huge amount of work on this article, and it is probably 80% different from when you voted. I have found a large number of English language references, and I have used <cite> so any reader or editor can identify where each individual statement in the article came from. That ought to deal with WP:V and WP:RS. As for notability, you can make your own decision: the relevant guideline says "Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website, and with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual would qualify". Which doesn't help really, since it's entirely subjective how you are going to compare notability of a best-selling paranoid gutter-press fantasy to a cookbook! If you rank this as below an average cookbook, I'm not going to argue with you :) TheGrappler 04:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Not interested in arguing. But there appears to be no concensus to delete anyway.--MONGO 05:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Merecat

Hi MONGO. In case you didn't see this - another of Merecat's recent edits was the renaming and redirection of the Plame Affair page to a new title, Wilson-Plame Scandal. Merecat has not provided any rationale for the move, and there is a to the move and unilateral renaming among the page's prior editors. In addition, csloat has put a request on 'requested moves' to restore the page to the consensus title.

So far, Merecat has not responded to messages on his talk page, nor on the article's page, and the article remains in it's current, non-consensus state. Would you mind taking a look? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 20:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Mount Rushmore on WP:FAC

Hello, thanks for voting on the FAC for Mount Rushmore. I have addressed the several issues that you brought up in your comment, and for the remaining issue about the disambiguation link on the top of the article, I'm not too sure if notability plays into whether or not it should be there (see WP:D). Thanks, AndyZ _t 23:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Kusma's RfA

Hello, MONGO! Thank you for your support in my recent successful request for adminship. If you ever have problems that you could use my assistance with or see me doing stupid things with my new buttons, don't hesitate to contact me. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 02:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Just shut up Amorrow

MONGO, I guess you're not in. I've removed three trolling IP posts which look to be from the same user who's trolling ANI about User:Gator1, and I've sprotected this page and (just a thought) your userpage also. I hope that's all right, sorry for the interferingness. Please look in the History to read the posts if you want, it's a real treat. Shut up Amorrow. (Edit conflict, so I'm not sure if I removed them or somebody else.) Bishonen | talk 01:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC).

P.S.

OK, it turns out NSLE has blocked the range, so I've unprotected your pages again. Sorry about that. :-) Bishonen | talk 01:51, 9 April 2006 (UTC).

Oh, no problem, as your judgement is always respected by me.--MONGO 07:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Except, of course that the judgement of both NSLE and Bishonen are

1. Based on their limited experience as they are both, shale we say, "youthful".
2. Free.

Really MONGO, let James take it from here. You are out of your league. -- Qwertypro 05:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

...if there is a knock on your door...just do what they tell you to do.--MONGO 10:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Doug Turner of the San Jose FBI Office (phone 408-535-4609) already hashed it out with me last October, buddy. -- 71.141.6.1 15:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That's nice...harassment and privacy invasion are rather serious infractions of the law. I guess that sums things up for now.--MONGO 00:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Nasty version? Uh, MONGO, I assume that you live in the USA and are a US citizen. Please get one thing straight: The FBI are the good guys. They are just like the local, friendly police, except that they deal with cross-State issues. Doug is very nice guy. If you just sat down and talked with him, you would be able to tell that in about two mintues. Wikipedian admins are maybe good guys. I assume that Gator1 was a sort-of good guy. If he was a really good guy, like the guys at the FBI are, then he would have had no problem whatsoever explaining himself at his work. But somehow, it just was not all that easy for him to do now, was it? Huh? No, it was not. That's becuase, MONGO, he was probably doing something wrong. Maybe a little tiny something, but still, his boss did not like it and now Gator1 is walking around with his tail between his legs. Too bad for him, but I am sure is has learned something from this little experience.

I also note you have a tendency to jump to conclusions. If you tell Mr. Lane that something is "true" and later Mr. Lane finds out that it is NOT true, Mr. Land will simply stop helping you. It is just like playing contract bridge: you gotta keep track of what you know and what you do not know. Do not let Mr. Lane down in that department because he has a reputation to protect. I am sure he is smart enough to double-check your work, but I have met attorneys who are not, so do not let him down. Attorneys who do not double-check their clients to make sure that they are not lying or exgeratting or jumping to conclusions have no excuse: they cannot walk into court, get it wrong and then say "Well, my client lied to me!". They are the professionals. Their job is to get it right and when they get it wrong, lying clients or otherwise, their reputation takes a hit right in the nuts. -- 71.139.176.66 00:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

What precisely would be your big concern about Gator anyway...did he do something wrong to you? It isn't necessary for you to tell me about the FBI...I'm well versed in their field. What information have I given User:JamesMLane? Was it a big deal you think, enough to add your expose--MONGO 00:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

mess

no, i hadn't heard of it. very unfortunate. it's sad that you have to conceal your true identity, or risk harassment in real life. i actually changed my user name about a year ago because i revealed too much. trolls and vandals are par for the course, but when you go after someone's livelihood ... well, you ought to get sent hunting with cheney. honestly, who could possibly care enough to do that level of stalking? it makes it all the more disturbing, because the person probably really is psycho. very sorry to hear it. he had really turned out to be a good guy. Derex 07:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

MONGO, I've responded to you about the mess privately, and we can continue by email from now on. JamesMLane t c 08:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!--MONGO 08:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

re:Gator1 and invasion of privacy

I know who sent the correspondance to Gators place of work. This vandal leaves a trail behind him just like a snail...criminals usually think they are smart, but they always leave clues and in this case, the clues were easy to track.--MONGO 18:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Glacier National Park (US)

I noticed on your user page that you wanted to make some improvements to the Glacier National Park (US) article. I went on a hiking trip there last summer, and while that doesn't make me an expert by any means, I can see about helping out. In particular, I have a number of pictures and a description of the trip at this link, so I'd be willing to contribute any of the pictures under the GFDL if they're worthwhile. I also bought a DVD that gives more explanation of the park's features (along with a bunch of scenic photography, of course), so that might be useful for research. If you have general ideas about what to do to improve the article, or stuff that's lacking, let me know and I can help out. --Elkman - 16:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Humala Page Again

The vandals have returned for the Ollanta Humala page. The increased activity is due to the fact that the election occured yesterday and the results are coming in today. I'm pretty tired of having to deal with these guys. --Jersey Devil 20:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Shotokan Dispute end of Feb thru beginning of Apr 2006

• (Original Message:) Howdy. I have been asked to look at some issues regarding edits as related to a content dispute with User:Southwick in the Shotokan article. I noticed you posted here regarding an email you claimed to have recieved from Southwick. In your note to User:Wsiegmund you didn't include the email addresses, claiming they were snipped, I suppose to protect others from having their privacy invaded. Is the wording as you posted exactly as it was recieved by you in email? I would need some kind of proof that this is the case. I will be on and off line for the next couple of days, but often enough I can check back here or on my talk page if you prefer.--MONGO 01:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• (Reply:) In addition to snipping the email addresses, I also snipped my name without mentioning it; otherwise the wording I posted is exact. I could forward you the email message with complete header. Could you give me some email address of yours to use? ...or please specify a method of proof that I could supply. Regards, Cap j 17:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• (Further reply:) I forwarded Ron's email to User:Wsiegmund's email address with request that he forward it on to you. I noticed that I had also snipped Ron's contact information from his email that I had posted on Walter's talk page. Regards, Cap j 17:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Bush Crimes Commission

You are invited to vote in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bush Crimes Commission (2nd nomination) Morton devonshire 20:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)