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Editing of this article and its talk page should conform to Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons#Crime_perpetrators. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Requests from non-US jurisdictions need a more solid basis than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. As long as the material is reliably sourced, there should be no problems. The UK police are worried that the tabloids could screw up a trial, as nearly happened with the Murder of Joanna Yeates. The previous version of this article was mainly sourced from BBC News.--♦IanMacM♦ 15:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
A man has been charged with the murder of Sian O'Callaghan, this has appeared in reliable sources. The UK police have pushed their luck by attempting to block Misplaced Pages from reporting this, things have moved on since the days of the Star Chamber.--♦IanMacM♦ 16:42, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

unsourced assertion

It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at Murder of Sian O'Callaghan. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

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There is no source given for the inclusion of this article in the 'List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom' category. I request that the category be removed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Not a category, just an entry under the heading see also. User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Oops, you're right - though I'm not sure that the link is appropriate anyway. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at Murder of Sian O'Callaghan. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".

The edit may be made by any autoconfirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the {{ESp}} template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

What you see on this front page of the Rhodesia Herald is not censorship. It is overt opposition to censorship. Real and effective censorship always works in secrecy. -- Petri Krohn (talk)

I request the hat note be changed to read:

This article has been redacted to comply with the sub judice requirements of British law.

See the discussion here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

This looks like it fails WP:NODISCLAIMERS. The excessive use of suppression has left this article looking anorexic, but a disclaimer will not solve the problem.--♦IanMacM♦ 20:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Why should we lie to our readers? It hasn't been. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Material was removed which did not conform to Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons#Crime_perpetrators. The request from English law enforcement brought attention to the matter. User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. At no point has there been any suggestion that anything has been done because of "requirements of British law". Petri Krohn appears to be soapboxing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
We can follow British censors or we can blindly and silently follow British censors. Even the editors of Rhodesia Herald had the courage to tell their readers when they were being censored.
There can be no question that what is going on off and on Misplaced Pages is a case of Internet censorship. See for example these sources used in the previous version of the article: Telegraph, Telegraph, Guardian, Guardian, Sky News. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:33, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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