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::Oh, for God's sake. He described the album covers as "free content" right here . He has repeatedly and falsely claimed that NFCC rationales for use in the article involved when they obviously don't. The fact that NFCC rationales might exist for use in the album articles doesn't mean that editors are free to insert these nonfree images into other articles without any rationales at all. The editor's false claims like these, as well as his repeated declarations that such routine NFCC cleanup is "VANDALISM", make it exceptionally difficult to sustain any assumption of good faith in his editing. This is the most routine enforcement of Misplaced Pages/WMF copyright policy. Just look at almost any WP article on a major recording artist -- ], ], ], ], just to pull a few names out of the hat -- and you won't see a single nonfree cover image, no less an entire litter of them. ] (]) 15:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC) | ::Oh, for God's sake. He described the album covers as "free content" right here . He has repeatedly and falsely claimed that NFCC rationales for use in the article involved when they obviously don't. The fact that NFCC rationales might exist for use in the album articles doesn't mean that editors are free to insert these nonfree images into other articles without any rationales at all. The editor's false claims like these, as well as his repeated declarations that such routine NFCC cleanup is "VANDALISM", make it exceptionally difficult to sustain any assumption of good faith in his editing. This is the most routine enforcement of Misplaced Pages/WMF copyright policy. Just look at almost any WP article on a major recording artist -- ], ], ], ], just to pull a few names out of the hat -- and you won't see a single nonfree cover image, no less an entire litter of them. ] (]) 15:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Hmm, yes, I see. It is definitely '''not''' free content, Sharkentile. Removal of them is certainly '''not''' "vandalism", and you ''have'' to have a NFCC rationale for each and every image. But what would be considered a ''clear'' copyright violation (a 3RR exemption) would be if he uploaded these images claiming that ''he'' was the copyright holder when he is not. His misunderstanding the NFCC does not necessarily equal a pass from 3RR for you. I agree that a gallery of non-free album cover images is not standard practice. ] ] 16:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC) | :Hmm, yes, I see. It is definitely '''not''' free content, Sharkentile. Removal of them is certainly '''not''' "vandalism", and you ''have'' to have a NFCC rationale for each and every image. But what would be considered a ''clear'' copyright violation (a 3RR exemption) would be if he uploaded these images claiming that ''he'' was the copyright holder when he is not. His misunderstanding the NFCC does not necessarily equal a pass from 3RR for you. I agree that a gallery of non-free album cover images is not standard practice. ] ] 16:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
::: Oh, give it a rest. Whether I claimed free content in the editing rationale is irrelevant. Every photo has a Non-free use rationale attached, for example Image:Silk23.jpg It is a low resolution used to promote the release of a Linda Ronstadt album | |||
Let's drop the free content argument for a bit. And concentrate on image and fact. Every image has a NFCC rationale attached to each and every one. Unfortunately, many of you misunderstand where to look. Removal of them is certainly "vandalism" when under the auspices of routine NFCC cleanup, HW is systematically removing rationaled content. Every photo has a Non-free use rationale attached, for example "Image:Silk23.jpg It is a low resolution used to promote the release of a Linda Ronstadt album | |||
According to section 107 of the United States Copyright Act of 1976: "The fair use of a copyrighted work...for purposes such as criticism, comment,...scholarship...is not an infringement of copyright." | |||
The image is of considerably lower resolution than the original, and it is used for non-profit purposes. These two factors are noted as relevant by the Act. | According to section 107 of the United States Copyright Act of 1976: "The fair use of a copyrighted work...for purposes such as criticism, comment,...scholarship...is not an infringement of copyright." The image is of considerably lower resolution than the original, and it is used for non-profit purposes. These two factors are noted as relevant by the Act. | ||
No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information in a historical context. | No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information in a historical context. | ||
⚫ | It is a historically significant photo of famous individuals The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic.It is only used to identify what the subjects look like This is a non-profit organization and we do not profit from the use of this image Its obvious, HW, as editor is living in another world with his/her standards where everyone else is lacking in good faith and he/she is the only one to judge. Sorry, but it's exceptionally difficult for THE REST OF US to sustain any assumption of good faith of YOUR editing skills and behavior. It's a pattern of orthodoxy and arrogance which lacks credibility. | ||
It is a historically significant photo of famous individuals | |||
⚫ | Again, I am not claiming the images "free content". Instead of reverting and editing work you should have and please consider using the article's ]before removing other people's work. removal of copyright violations All photos that you have elected to delete without discussion have Non-free content criteria compliance rationale. If you would have taken the time to click on the photos and read the template it was fairly obvious the NFCC rationale are there and many have been there since 2007 ] (]) 9:16, Sharkentile April 2012 (UTC) | ||
The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic. | |||
It is only used to identify what the subjects look like | |||
This is a non-profit organization and we do not profit from the use of this image | |||
⚫ | Its obvious, HW, as editor is living in another world with his/her standards where everyone else is lacking in good faith and he/she is the only one to judge. Sorry, but it's exceptionally difficult for THE REST OF US to sustain any assumption of good faith of YOUR editing skills and behavior. It's a pattern of orthodoxy and arrogance which |
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Sorry, Quadell?? don't call me a vandal. you forget the reason why this site exist at all. its free, public OPEN. Its encyclopedic to inform the public not your paying job and people will stop contributing you go around screwing with everyone moral and having a power trip. This is not not vandalism when I remove something that ANYONE can tag (do you want me and other to start tagging photos? I can easily become an authority), It seems from comments and discussion - people are not familiar with you. We don't know who you are and your statements and requests seem odd and arbitrary and somewhate prejudicial. This is not the form of a person of authority. you might be the vandal- puting your alleged authority over the reason why this whole site exist. we will delete when I don't think the tag is warranted by someone we do not know and like the previous posters we will endeavour to bring pictures up to scratch but if you continue this weird tags and request we will not continue to honor and we will consider you a vandal and not honor, simple as that, explain your authority?? (Sharkentile 17:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)).
Of course my opinion on the matter or any subject on this wiki site is more than welcome, this is a public forum ALL OF OUR OPINONS ARE WELCOME, NON OF US GET PAID ON THIS NON PROFIT SITE, OR interviewed and only some get elected, have you been voted and elected for something, i'm curious about your title. and like many posters here, your authority going around making statements like "the statements not supporting a photo" anyd another thing you immediately deleted photos where you have no right d. again your threats of vandalism seem hollow...you appear to by overreaching with any authority you appear to have. Where are you from.(Sharkentile 17:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)).
- Hi, Sharkentile. Quadell is another user. I'm called Abu Badali. I didn't called you a vandal. I just warned you that the removal of {{ifd}} tags from images, as you did here and here, may be considered vandalism.
- I'm just a Misplaced Pages editor and I have not special authority. I am bound to the same rules as you are, and my image-taggings just wish to bring the images' use inline with our policies.
- I never deleted any photo from Misplaced Pages.
- Please, consider calming down. I have no interest in entering such a confrontation with you (or any other editor). Best regards, --Abu badali 18:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I too am just a Misplaced Pages editor and I have not special authority, like you. But of course, we have to review all subjects on these sites and tag every single photo, which we could. However, we feel that the photos serve a purpose, as soon as you tagged the photos they were immediately removed, who else should we suspect? You continue to loose the moral of the people and you discourage people from contributing to this entire site. THIS IS OUR SITE. Is that what your goal is, TO DISCOURAGE??? Thanks but, I've been contacting other people and you have to admit reading other people's post, there are problems with you tagging sites and your reasoning. I am not the first and only. Where are you from, age, first language? all this is important in the way you're interpeting these subjects. do you know about the subject and sites your visiting?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharkentile (talk • contribs)
- I'm sorry but I don't see how the release of any personal information about me could influence on the judgment of either or not these images are o.k. in relation to our policies. I don't plan to "DISCOURAGE" you (or any other editor) from contributing to the project, as long as you agree with our current policies.
- The photos I tagged where accidentally removed (and promptly restored) by admin Nv8200p. See this and this talks for understanding what happened. --Abu badali 19:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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I'm not particularly worried about the image, but any user has the right to question the fairness of an image if it is being used with a fair use claim. User talk:BigrTex questioned it, and the tag was immediately removed. That assumes bad faith. The message that you left on my user page should have been left on User talk:BigrTex's user page, because this is the user that questions the validity of the use. Also, the tag should remain on the page until it's been resolved or if you have a reason to remove it, you should play fair and say why. There is a talk page for the image, there is also an edit summary, and you didn't use either of these options, and I guess I wasn't able to read your mind and know what you were thinking. But then again, I didn't know it was you because you weren't logged in when you made those edits. All I did was restore the tag. You really should leave a message on User talk:BigrTex's page if you disagree with him tagging it in the first place.
I didn't realize that you were a copyright lawyer. That's very interesting. Rossrs 13:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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Linda Ronstadt
Hi.
I see you erased my paragraph from the Linda Ronstadt article, and your explanation was that it was not controversial.
You are mistaken. Please see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Sun_City%2C_North_West
Sun City became the subject of considerable controversy in 1985 when E Street Band guitarist Steven Van Zandt made it the focus of his music-industry activist group, Artists United Against Apartheid. Forty-nine top recording artists - including Ringo Starr and his son Zak Starkey, Bono, Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Run DMC, Grandmaster Melle Mel, Duke Bootee, Afrika Bambaataa, Kurtis Blow, Big Youth, David Ruffin, Pat Benatar, Peter Gabriel, Eddie Kendrick, George Clinton, Joey Ramone, Jimmy Cliff, Daryl Hall, Darlene Love, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Bonnie Raitt, Ruben Blades, John Oates, Lou Reed, Bobby Womack, Jackson Browne, Peter Garrett, Nona Hendryx, Ray Barretto, and Kashif - collaborated on a song called "Sun City", in which they pledged they would never perform at the resort. Additionally, Simple Minds, on their double-live set album "Live in the City of Light" released in 1987, included a song called "Love Song - Sun City - Dance to the Music" in which they declare "I ain't gonna play Sun City."
Grundle2600 (talk) 21:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Since you responded to me on my talk page, I responded to you on my talk page so it's all in the same place. Grundle2600 (talk) 00:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
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Linda Ronstadt: Top Female Artist of the Decade
Sorry, this is still not correct. It initially read "By the end of the 1970's, the record industry gave Linda Ronstadt a Special Decade Award as the Top Selling Female album and singles artist of the decade". The link clearly makes no reference to having been from the record industry, nor any mention as being the top seller in albums, or singles. You have come some way to amending to now reading "By the end of the 1970's, Cashbox gave Linda Ronstadt a Special Decade Award. as the" top female pop rock singer of the decade" , but this is still incorrect. It makes no mention of being the top/rock singer - it simply says they gave Ronstadt a "Special Decade Award". End of reference. The second link does not work (Playboy). With reference to what country I am from etc ... is irrelevant. Please try again 60.234.242.196 (talk) 07:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- It is now correct. Do not label corrective editing as vandalism in the future. The errors were on your side. Not mine. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 03:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop abusing the process. None of the edits are vandalism. They are aligned to the reference. 146.171.254.66 (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Linda Ronstadt
Please make youself aware of WP:3RR. You are continually reversing legitamate edits with the details that are not correct (factually, unsourced, or grammatically). Also please make yourself of WP:VR. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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I have started a thread here and am asking that you and Mytvc15 discuss the status of the record before making further edits to the section. Thanks! Rivertorch (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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Linda Ronstadt
Out of all the songs Ronstadt has sung over her lengthy career, she has only written or co-written about three or four songs. After tiring of not finding her credits as a songwriter on Allmusic, I found a fan blog that seems reliable enough. Anyhoo, technically she can be listed as a songwriter, and it was a good call. Cheers :> Doc talk 06:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Linda Ronstadt shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
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Your claims that copyrighted album covers are free content and that article-specific NFCC rationales exist for these cover images are so obviously false that they call your good faith into question. Note that removal of content which is obviously noncompliant with Misplaced Pages's copyright policies is exempt from 3RR restrictions.Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I don't think you're quite correct about that last point, HW: your reverts are not exempt from 3RR. Sharkentile is not claiming the images are "free content" at all. They are not "clear copyright violations", but are rather claimed under the NFCC. If the NFCC is found not to apply to these images, I still don't see any removal of copyright violations that would exempt you from 3RR. It takes at least two to edit war, and you're both doing it. Doc talk 15:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, for God's sake. He described the album covers as "free content" right here . He has repeatedly and falsely claimed that NFCC rationales for use in the article involved when they obviously don't. The fact that NFCC rationales might exist for use in the album articles doesn't mean that editors are free to insert these nonfree images into other articles without any rationales at all. The editor's false claims like these, as well as his repeated declarations that such routine NFCC cleanup is "VANDALISM", make it exceptionally difficult to sustain any assumption of good faith in his editing. This is the most routine enforcement of Misplaced Pages/WMF copyright policy. Just look at almost any WP article on a major recording artist -- Bruce Springsteen, Johnny Cash, Miles Davis, Whitney Houston, just to pull a few names out of the hat -- and you won't see a single nonfree cover image, no less an entire litter of them. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, yes, I see. It is definitely not free content, Sharkentile. Removal of them is certainly not "vandalism", and you have to have a NFCC rationale for each and every image. But what would be considered a clear copyright violation (a 3RR exemption) would be if he uploaded these images claiming that he was the copyright holder when he is not. His misunderstanding the NFCC does not necessarily equal a pass from 3RR for you. I agree that a gallery of non-free album cover images is not standard practice. Doc talk 16:06, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Let's drop the free content argument for a bit. And concentrate on image and fact. Every image has a NFCC rationale attached to each and every one. Unfortunately, many of you misunderstand where to look. Removal of them is certainly "vandalism" when under the auspices of routine NFCC cleanup, HW is systematically removing rationaled content. Every photo has a Non-free use rationale attached, for example "Image:Silk23.jpg It is a low resolution used to promote the release of a Linda Ronstadt album According to section 107 of the United States Copyright Act of 1976: "The fair use of a copyrighted work...for purposes such as criticism, comment,...scholarship...is not an infringement of copyright." The image is of considerably lower resolution than the original, and it is used for non-profit purposes. These two factors are noted as relevant by the Act. No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information in a historical context. It is a historically significant photo of famous individuals The image is used as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic.It is only used to identify what the subjects look like This is a non-profit organization and we do not profit from the use of this image Its obvious, HW, as editor is living in another world with his/her standards where everyone else is lacking in good faith and he/she is the only one to judge. Sorry, but it's exceptionally difficult for THE REST OF US to sustain any assumption of good faith of YOUR editing skills and behavior. It's a pattern of orthodoxy and arrogance which lacks credibility. Again, I am not claiming the images "free content". Instead of reverting and editing work you should have and please consider using the article's talk pagebefore removing other people's work. removal of copyright violations All photos that you have elected to delete without discussion have Non-free content criteria compliance rationale. If you would have taken the time to click on the photos and read the template it was fairly obvious the NFCC rationale are there and many have been there since 2007 Sharkentile (talk) 9:16, Sharkentile April 2012 (UTC)