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	== photo of gas chamber ==

	I dont see any in this article. Why not? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Because you're not looking hard enough. Maybe you stopped before you got the end of the article. There are two photos of gas chambers, one exterior, one interior, in the Gallery section.] (]) 05:05, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/AuI_krematorium.jpg

	You mean THAT photo? That building was built after the war. They say it is a reconstruction. But are we to believe that a gas chamber was right in the middle of the complex? How did the gas get out? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:That's what the caption says, but I can also believe it's a reconstruction. There's also a photo of the interior of a gas chamber. And yes, I can also believe one was in "the middle of the complex", I suppose. I read that those people who were selected for extermination after train delivery went right into the gas chamber, so I figured they didn't have too far to go. As for how the gas got out, I think that's what the chimney is for.] (]) 15:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	The chimney is not connected to the building for one, the room itself has no port showing that the gas would somehow magically go up the chimney either. We are told that this was a gas chamber, or a "reconstruction" but there is no reasonable way to see how this would have worked as a gas chamber. Kind of a stupid place to put a gas chamber, dont you think? I think this is all a lie. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:You say that "I think this is all a lie". Do you mean that one image? That reconstruction? Or this whole article? Thanks. ] (]) 16:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	Look at the picture again. The grass slopes up toward the roof. Much of the interior of the building (the "chamber", hallways, etc.) is underground. See the vents on the roof? After the victims were in the gas chambers and the doors were bolted shut, SS technicians could drop pellets of ] down the vent shaft, and then shut the top of the vent. After (I think) 20 or 30 minutes had passed, other vents were open, which led to the chimney, and vented the gas chamber. The ''outside'' of the chimney does not have to be connected to the ''outside'' of the building. As the underground was far larger than the exterior, there is no reason for the chimney to connected on the outside. Ventilation shafts can easily connect the gas chambers and the chimney. Anyway, after the air was clear, the doors were opened and the bodies removed. See ] or ] for more detail. (and to sign your comments, you can add four tildes (~) to the end of the comment).] (]) 16:33, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	I think for many reasons that the whole gas chamber story is a lie. And I think this building is not only a reconstruction, but it was faked after its construction. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Did you even read my reply? ] (]) 16:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	Yes, and it's as silly as all the other explanations that are given for what happened in the camps. There is no way the Germans used buildings that were not air tight, there is no way that Zyklon B was used to kill millions of people. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Ok, I'm calling ]. I was acting on the assumption of good faith, thinking you were genuinely curious or just a bit naive. However, even if you're so naive as to believe what you are saying, you must know that ] is a contentious issue. The Talk page is for the improvement of the article, not for general discussion on the topic. Move on. ] (]) 16:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

	You could improve the article by taking out the lies <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:And you could improve Misplaced Pages by not making any contributions like these. Take your disgusting Nazi sympathies elsewhere. ] (]) 17:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Number of peope killed at Auschwitz Birkenau

If you look at the reference given (number 4) that website actually describes 1.3 million as the number of people deported to the camp. Obviously most, but not all, were subsequently murdered there. http://en.auschwitz.org/h/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=13&limit=1&limitstart=1 The home page of that website gives those killed at the camp as 'more than 1.1 million'. I think this is an important number to get right, does anyone have other sources that help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.238.1.135 (talk) 11:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

And of course a large number of the dead died from disease and overwork - I think it is important to know how many were actually gassed, I have seen figures of c 600,000. 217.39.12.165 (talk) 12:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Camp's sign

Important information from this article (The Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies - The University of Minnesota) should be added to the article as following:

"The memorial, too, has changed throughout the years. The plaques indicating that "4 million people" were killed at Auschwitz were removed in 1990. They were replaced with plaques stating the more accurate figure of “one and a half million.”"

It seems that 2.5 million dead Jews have came to life in 1999!--Liopaiopsm (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you really think changing a sign will bring dead Jews to life? And why would you assume those 2.5 million were Jews anyway - perhaps it was 2.5 million Christians who came to life!

The communist government made inflated claims for the numbers killed, which were finally corrected with the fall of that government. This had no impact on the overall estimates of the numbers of Jews killed, because historians never based their totals on these distorted figures. Nevertheless, this has become a standard trope of Holocaust denial. This is all discussed in the article already, at Auschwitz concentration camp#Death toll. In the future please read the article before suggesting changes. Jayjg 21:04, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian Jewish children and an elderly woman on the way to the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau (1944). Many children and elderly were murdered immediately after arrival and were never registered.. THAT is simply nonsense. The sources are "Desmond Tutu, Simon Wiesenthal, Israel W. Charny: Encyclopedia of genocide p.300" and "Adam Bujak, Teresa Świebocka, Henryk Świebocki: Auschwitz: the residence of death p.1938 Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, 2003" which are totally unencyclopedic and pure propaganda.--Liopaiopsm (talk) 19:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Simply ridiculous! There is a group of people who want the article to stay as it is, at all costs!--Liopaiopsm (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Since when Simon Wiesenthal is a historian and an encyclopedic source?!!--Liopaiopsm (talk) 19:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The author of that specific article was actually the historian Alan L. Berger, an expert in Holocaust studies. The citation was mis-labeled, I've fixed it. He's a reliable source, as is the book it's from, Encyclopedia of Genocide. Jayjg 20:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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