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Everclear

Since the band is named after the drink, how'd you figure the band deserves the unadorned Everclear name yet you see fit to exile the booze to Everclear (alcohol) and not even link one to the other? —Morven 06:37, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

I moved the band to Everclear (band) and made Everclear a disambiguation. I fixed all the links. —Morven 07:12, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

Apologies. I couldn't figure out why the alcohol def was just sorta stuffed at the end of the article about the band. Completely agree with the move and the disambiguation. -- ChrisB 20:06, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) PLEASE show me of pic of yourself, mr. ripped

Matthew Good

Hello, you suggested on the Matthew Good talk page that we lock the article for a little while. I wanted to say that I think we should proceed with this, as it seems to be taking longer than we'd hoped for the prepubescent anonymous hordes to mature. It is unlikely that something new will occur that will merit an addition to the article in the next say, 2 weeks anyway. I'm unsure of the procedure of locking articles but you have my support to go ahead with this if you know how. Thanks, Kurieeto 20:48, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

Nirvana

Well, in order to get Nirvana into the FAC, we may need a few more references... did you used some? igordebraga ≠ 01:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

In a Coma

Hello. What's your source for your recent edits (regarding the contents of the bonus CD and DVD for In a Coma) to Matthew Good? It's exciting news, and I'd like to pass around whatever link you found that information at to friends and so on. --Simon Crowley 22:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Wha-boom!  :)

http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2005/08/0410.cfm

-- ChrisB 23:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

whoops

sorry bout stepping in like that - thought that was all you were doing and wanted things to flow and link a little better, although i didnt really have time to look over the article as a whole. good work.
Syynapse 04:00, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh, no problem! I got that first part out and debated removing more or just writing the thing, and ended up writing the thing. It definitely looked sketchy in the meantime. It's one thing about Wiki: no "I'm working on it!" tag.  :) -- ChrisB 19:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

{{inuse}} :P Alexforcefive

Emo

I'd appreciate if you'd IM or e-mail me about the emo page some time. You do most of the edits and I think there are some huge discrepancies in the way you've presented the site. IM me at DFelon204409 or e-mail me a GaleriansX at aol dot com. Thanks. -DFelon204409

As I tried to contribute before you so cavalierly wiped it, "emo" was originally applied to Rites of Spring and Rites of Spring only. Flipside #47 from 1985 (probably found on eBay without too much trouble) contains a interview with RoS in which they mention offhandedly that some folk in the DC scene had taken to calling them "emo" because they sometimes became emotional during performances. I'm sure it didn't take long for the term to also be applied to Embrace and then other DC bands, but it didn't apply to anyone but RoS at first. Druff 05:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I didn't "cavalierly" wipe it: what you said here isn't what you wrote in the article. Your edits made it sound like nobody called it "emo-core", which is factually inaccurate. Regardless of the specific origins of the term, people spent the next decade using the term "emo-core" to almost exclusively describe the DC scene, which is significantly more important than where the term started in its first weeks of existence.

Here's the real problem: the original source of the word "emo" has been under debate for years. The initial accounts credited a Flipside interview with MacKaye, but nobody's been able to cough up any of those articles, including the Rites of Spring interview. You've suggested that I go look for the article, but, honestly, if you're making this assertion and trying to add it to the entry, YOU should find the article to confirm it first. At the very least, if you have the article, you should provide a partial transcript to discussion. It's the responsiblity of each editor to provide sources for their edits, not the responsibility of other editors to verify it for them.

Even still, if Rites of Spring didn't coin the term themselves - if it was something that DC folks called them - then Rites of Spring's viewpoint can't the end-all be-all answer, even if ended up being the first printed usage of the term. Regardless of whether the band said what you claim, are there enough available sources to support the case that they were the first band ever tagged as "emo", and that NO other bands were being called "emo" at the same time?

This is the first I have EVER heard this assertion made, and, as I said, it's not my responsibility to verify your point for you. I've tried to rewrite the article to accommodate your point, but it would be journalistically dubious to make the claim without the proper sources to support it. (And I suspect you'll need more than just that one interview to do that.) -- ChrisB 05:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I'm putting my message in this section, but I didn't want to create a new section called Emo. I was the one who added the verify and original research tags, and I explained why on the talk page. I'm sure it's on your watchlist, but I wanted to say hello and let you know right here. Look forward to talking to you! --ParkerHiggins 04:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I completely disagree with your removal of the Guy Picciotto quote in the Backlash section, but since I can't be wasting my time checking and reverting, I'll just give up. You should revert it and see if some other people agree with you. - Dale Nixon

Nirvana vandalism

Please revert nirvana vandalism. Last edit by anyonymous is vandalism(deleted early life with "tha sucks ass") --Msoos 13:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Dave Grohl

Nice recent edits. That article seems to need a lot of tending. Glad it wasn't me that time. Also nice to meet another Matt Good fan every now and again. :) Jacqui 22:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, the article definitely needs some work. I'm kind of amused that half the article talks about his drumming, then there's a section at the end called "The Drummer" (and that said "The Drummer" section references the Queen HoF performance that he played guitar on).  :) If I have time, I'm hoping to expand the article a good bit - there definitely could be a lot more about Nirvana and at least something about his time in Scream. -- ChrisB 02:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Matt Good

Hi,

The statement suggested that it was ONLY available via Matt's online store which was incorrect...perhaps it should read "this is the only version promoted by Good himself during his live shows and his online store". Dowew 04:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Early Emo Groups

I just dropped by to say I noticed you're in the edit history a lot for this list, and I appreciate your work. I also left a comment in the "Whoops" section above. Alexforcefive 15:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. —David Levy 14:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Emocore Redirect

I apologise for not checking thoroughly, and for not signing the comment. Farewell! - SevenEightTwo

Edit war on Emo (slang)

Please try to discuss disputes on Talk:Emo (slang). Reverting over and over again doesn't ultimately do anything. It puts articles into some sort of metastable state, which, for the purpose of an "encyclopedia", is useless. If you find discussion insufficient, then try some of the things at Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution. Someone42 14:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Referring to scars as "emo" is done all of the time by my Emo friends, I can't really add sources by writing down thirty names. But it's truer than the sky is blue, trust me. Look at my contributions. I don't lie.--ikiroid 21:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that Wiki has a policy against what's called original research. Read that link and you'll see what I'm talking about. You and your thirty friends constitute original research. Statements in Wiki have to have actual sources. -- ChrisB 21:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, fine, delete it. I wasn't gonna wait a couple months or years for this to appear somewhere else before I added it in, but it looks like I'll have to. I'm aware of the original research policy. There are no sources of it. The whole emo culture has expanded too quickly to find any worthwhile books or encyclopedias for me to use, and the internet sources are, like the Misplaced Pages article, sparadic and not very informative. Sorry to contribute to an edit war, I only had good intentions to improve the article.--ikiroid 21:18, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Also...

Why remove the (totally disputed) (cleanup) tabs? The situation with neutrality hasn't changed, the external links are still a joke, and no one has agreed on what to add to the article, let alone clean it up. I'm adding the templates back in.--ikiroid | (talk) 01:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

You edited my 27 Club page, made it...Good. Thanks very much, I was tired when I submitted it. Oxen Rockler, 21:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Parental Advisory stickers

Hi there - As the person who put the stickers back on those album covers, I would like to say that they are important, as on many an occsion I have bought an album which had no sticker on it, only to find, upon playing it, that it was stuffed full of expletives. People have the right to see immediately whether or not an album has any swear-words in them, whether they are looking at the box in their local shop or looking up the album on Misplaced Pages.

Parental Advisory stickers - AGAIN

Hi there - As the person who put the stickers back on those album covers, I would like to say that they are important, as on many an occsion I have bought an album which had no sticker on it, only to find, upon playing it, that it was stuffed full of expletives. People have the right to see immediately whether or not an album has any swear-words in them, whether they are looking at the box in their local shop or looking up the album on Misplaced Pages. PLEASE KEEP THOSE GODDAMN STICKERS! RichardHarrold, 20:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

ADDITIONAL POINT - one of my local record stores puts the stickers on, whether they have them in HMV or wherever you Yanks (if you are one) get your music or not. 86.27.54.227 (RichardHarrold), 22:12, 22 January 2006

Portlanders

If the definition is "With ties to," then everybody belongs in the category. If it's "born in," that is a rational critera. BalooUrsidae 04:24, 8 February 2006

That is absolutely not your call to make. The distinction is for people who are well-known with their association with a city. Bill Gates is a prominent Seattleite, but he wasn't born there. You shouldn't be unilaterally altering a category without opening the change for discussion. -- ChrisB 04:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Your definition of "from" is not congruent with the English language. If you move someplace else, you're still from where you moved from, not where you moved to. BalooUrsidae 04:36, 8 February 2006

Again, NOT YOUR CALL TO MAKE. Check the other resident categories, for God's sake. These as well: List of Seattleites, List of Portlanders. It is popular vernacular to refer to someone as a New Yorker if they live in New York or an Atlantan if they live in Atlanta. Torquing an entire category because YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY is absolutely unacceptable. -- ChrisB 04:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's goal is accuracy, not deceptive inclusion in categories that which are not applicable. BalooUrsidae 04:43, 8 February 2006

Whose fucking version of "accuracy" are you talking about? Elliott Smith was a Portlander, and was well-known at one time for being so. The definition of "Portlander" IS NOT RESTRICTED TO PEOPLE BORN THERE. -- ChrisB 04:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Deliberate mis-statements of fact does not make one accurate. Also notice how I am not going out of my way to be a total luser with childish foul language. BalooUrsidae 04:47, 8 February 2006

By your claim, the definition of "American" should be "someone born in America". Unfortunately for you, the dictionary definition of "American" can be found here, and doesn't support your argument. Same for "New Yorker" here.

Wiki insists that changes be supported by legitimate sources, and you can't possibly come up with one that supports your narrow definition of "Portlander". -- ChrisB 04:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Tom McCall is all the authority anyone needs in Oregon. BalooUrsidae 05:08, 8 February 2006

"Tom McCall is all the authority anyone needs in Oregon." Care to explain what that means? -- ChrisB 05:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Port-land-ers

I saw your editing of Art Alexakis. FYI, the criteria for Category:Portlanders is "People born in Portland, Oregon." Perhaps that should be changed. -Will Beback 07:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Indie Rock

Please explain why you deleted my Future of Indie Rock section. The is a definite paradox between being called indie and being on a major label. The term indie was not originally intended to describe a sound but rather a position in relation to mainstream, major label music. That's the rationale behind the comparison to alternative music, as alternative too was intended to describe an "alternative" to mainstream music. First alternative, and now indie, have been incorporated by the major labels due to their potential for making money. This is not to say that a band can't be indie and popular. But a band can't be manufactured by a major label as an imitation of something indie and still be indie. The idea of indie and a major label are antithetical. User:Havardj

Cause of death

You might want to avoid the "cause of death disputed" category for Terri Schiavo because there was a proximate cause of death of dehydration that is clear. Of course, after that, it gets more complicated. -- Oingoboingo 10:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Indie Rock Again

I still think that there should be a future of indie rock section, so I reinstated it. I expanded the discussion, and included a reference to an article that explores the issue, because I feel you were correct to accuse me of original research (although the article was the first hit after googling -death of indie rock-, and there were many more). I certainly don't mind discussing this further, as I am welcome to your suggestions on how to improve the section. However, please don't competely erase my section without consulting with me first. User:Havardj By the way, I've tried to emphasize in the article that its not that I or anyone else thinks that independent music will go away, as there will continue to be music produced by independent labels. What I've tried to emphasize is that the term "indie rock" has been appropriated by major labels; hence the paradox when major label acts are described as indie. That's where the comparison to alternative lies. Both are terms used to describe music that came to be used outisde of the context in which they were originally used (or in the case of indie, is in the process of coming to be used in such a way). I think this may be the root of our misunderstanding, so if you wish to edit my section, you might try to flesh this out more. User:Havardj

Are you a Hum fan?

===>If so "Hello!" If not, "hello," anyway. Let me know on my Talk page, thanks. -Justin (koavf), talk 23:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the Kurt Cobain article

I think together we did a good job cleaning up the Addiction and Death section and boiling it down to citeable facts. Tarcieri 00:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Good work

I feel that turning the "trivia" into a useful sentence is better than a quick reversion. So I commend your choice on reworking the Mercury reference in Cobain. BabuBhatt 03:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense, but as a minor fan who hasn't read the suicide note, the Mercury fact is interesting to me. BabuBhatt 04:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Derek and the Dominos

Many musicians and critics alike consider the a supergroup because all the members had acheived previous success with other bands and were well established musicians, Eric Clapton was with the Yardbirds, Cream and Blind Faith (another supergroup), Duane Allman with The Allman Brothers Band and Carl Radle, Bobby Whitlock and Jim Gordon were all members of Delaney & Bonnie & Friends. If you have a problem with me reverting the edit back to calling them a supergroup don't hesitate to tell me. Thanks -- Patman2648 18:55 March 29 2006 (UTC)

Dave Grohl

Stop messing with the Dave Grohl page when people fix it. My apologies, someone told me to type that, then I read the reasons for the changes and you were correct to change them. Sorry. --Pirate Thom 20:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Regarding the article Moments in Grace, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the article says that the band has released an album, this is an assertion of significance. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:AFD process. Thanks! Stifle 00:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Retort to your emo comments

You say my entries were too POV/original research oriented, well I was trying to document what I have seen and experienced. Since your emo entry is so FUBAR I thought it might make sense to have something that makes sense and is *accurate* for that entry. Your deletion of what I tried to add was really dumb. I suggest you run by what I was saying to some one who has actually been to an emo show, rather than some overzealous editor who knows nothing about the topic. I saw Julia, 400 Years, Still Life, Republic of Freedom Fighters, Constatine Sankathi, Anasarca, Shotmaker, and many others live. I'm going by first hand experience not what I read somewhere. There are no academic histories of punk rock, I'm as good as it gets, so I really suggest you put the stuff back that I posted up there. If my writing sucks and that's the problem I can work on it more, or maybe you or some one else can clean it up, but the information is correct. This Boys Life, Texas is the Reason, My Chemical Romance bullshit, is so far wrong it is MINDBLOWING! thanks.

More Comments

Chris, thanks for your response, you made some sense I may have been a little too P.O.ed. I really think though you need to add some kind of section about emo having been coopted by the mainstream and distorted from its original principles. You do mention a debate about what it is, how it has gone and been mainstream for some time, but you also need to mention people who have challenged this and not accepted the mass marketing of emo. I don't understand why this perspective wouldn't be included, for example, Fox News on wikipedia mentions its liberal critics and the New York Times mentions its conservative critics. You should make mention of a criticism of emo as something to be mass marketed and watered down for profit and personal gain of people who are largely ignorant of its history and original intent.

I just re-read the whole thing again and there is more of what I'm talking about in the emo entry than I remembered, but I still want to encourage you to include more. thanks.

Wikiproject Alternative music

Hey, looking at your edits I thought I'd ask you if you are interested in participating in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Alternative music, which I just started.

On a related subject, I think we can work together to get R.E.M. to at least be a Good Article. I did a small edit right now but I'll work in greater depth on it later. WesleyDodds 11:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Jcon91

ur stupid 198.150.224.3 (Jcon91) 20:20, 18 April 2006

dude i have no life, i can do this all day. Jcon91 01:37, 19 April 2006

dude you will never look even close as good as i do. put ur pic on hotornot.com once and tell me what you get.. and i have all the comments from ppl to prove it. you're prolly some fat ass that can't even get some. do you work? cuz i dont have to. im in the national guard and im making money by doing nothing. later Jcon91 02:46, 20 April 2006

• sigh* yea blame bush for all that shit.... 1st time ever in history that a country goes against the UN. smart move. i bet you voted bush anyway so why are you bitchin'

why are we fighting.. dont we both love hair *ahem not glam* metal? :) well i know knowone loves it more then me so

Krist Novoselic

In this article you wrote Cobain and Novoselic started a Creedence Clearwater Revival cover band, in which Cobain played drums and Novoselic sang and played guitar. . Is that true? I researched this information, nothing has been said regarding this. I removed that sentence off of the article. If you can provide reliable sources, then it would be alright to reinstate that information.

Thanks, I've skimmed though a few books myself on grunge, if you reinstate that information, please site your source. I'll have to go check that information out myself, it's certainly interesting RiseRobotRise 05:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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