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This seems just a ''little'' bit early for ArbCom. Either the block stands (i.e. no ArbCom involvment) or it gets lifted (no ArbCom until when/if something else goes pear-shaped.) I'd suggest a pseudo-mentorship: He's clearly passionate, if more than a little bit rough around the edges. *snort* 11R violation *snort*<br/>]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 05:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC) | This seems just a ''little'' bit early for ArbCom. Either the block stands (i.e. no ArbCom involvment) or it gets lifted (no ArbCom until when/if something else goes pear-shaped.) I'd suggest a pseudo-mentorship: He's clearly passionate, if more than a little bit rough around the edges. *snort* 11R violation *snort*<br/>]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 05:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC) | ||
:Hi Brenneman - Thank you for your advice. I would be willing to mentor this user, but clearly I don't want to unblock him unless there is support for my doing so. No unblock=No possibility for mentorship, right? ]\<sup>]</sup> 05:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Appeal for leniency on behalf of User:Rgulerdem
Involved parties
- Rgulerdem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- NSLE (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Cyde (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Johntex (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Case summary: Indefinite blocking of User:Rgulerdem by User:Cyde and User:NSLE (who acted with approval from WP:ANI). User:Johntex is appealing the block at the request of User:Rgulerdem, who is indefinitely blocked with a protected talk page.
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Johntex has informed the other 3 parties. , ,
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
Johntex has posted to WP:ANI asking if there might be room for some leniency in this matter. This did not result in any change to the blocking. Johntex unprotected Rgulerdem's Talk page so that he could detail his positive contributions. This resulted in no change in heart by the blocking admins, and Rgulerdem was accused of continuing to be uncivil. His talk page was reprotected. Given the history between Rgulerdem and the blocking admins, I don't think continued discussion will help. NSLE has posted to Johntex that the next step should be to give the Arbitration Committee a chance to reveiw the situation.
Statement by User:Johntex
I believe there is room for leniency in this case:
- Upon joining Misplaced Pages, Rgulerdem made good edits and engaged in good discussion. , ,
- He got into trouble because about showing the cartoons at Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy: . Although he did made mistakes (Eg. 3RR violations), he also engaged in many attempts to help others understand how some people feel hurt by these images.
- He started on a proposed policy called Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics. This has not been a popular proposal, and there has been incivility both by Rgulerdem and towards Rgulerdem.
- User:NicholasTurnbull gave Rgulerdem what he called a "final warning" but he did not provide specific examples of problem behavior. patience.
- Rgulerdem questioned whether Misplaced Pages has a "final warning".
- User:NSLE gave a link to a policy that does not mention a final warning., so it did not answer Rgulerdem's question.
- User:NSLE protected Rgulerdem’s page with the statement that Rgulerdem was engaging in trolling and incivility on his talk page. I don’t agree these actions were trolling or uncivil.
- User:Cyde indefinitely blocked Rgulerdem, without providing any specific cause.
- Rgulerdem contacted me by e-mail and asked me to unblock him. I declined to remove theblock., but I did unprotect his talk page so that he could speak about his positive contributions.
- Rgulerdem provided information about his positive. Unfortunately, he also made complaints about those who have blocked him, although I had specifically asked him to “… not make any remarks which could possibly be construed as personal attacks, or which could possibly be seen as being uncivil..." I do not think anything he said was a personal attack or uncivil, though he was argumentative when I had specifically asked him to stick to the positive.
- Rgulerdem then spoke directly to NSLE saying "Please note that, I am not editing here in Wiki based on your mercy. If I were you I would quit this threatening-style talks as it does not work.". At this point, NLSE re-protected the page.
I do believe that Rgulerdem has behaved badly in the past, but he has served his penalties for those actions. I agree he has tested the community's patience and caused many people to spend a lot of time on him.
On the other hand, he has made some positive contributions. He has worked hard and in good faith on a proposed policy that is important to him. He has suffered insults and incivility on the parts of people who oppose his ideas.
Most importantly to me, the "final warning" and "indefinite block" came about without a specific cause. I have no doubt the blocking admins feel Rgulerdem is a time-sink at best and a hazzard at worst. Also, there was little opposition to the block at WP:ANI. However, I wonder if readers at WP:ANI were able to hear both sides of the issue, since the user was blocked and had his page protected at least part of the time. I ask for the block to be reduced to
brenneman says...
This seems just a little bit early for ArbCom. Either the block stands (i.e. no ArbCom involvment) or it gets lifted (no ArbCom until when/if something else goes pear-shaped.) I'd suggest a pseudo-mentorship: He's clearly passionate, if more than a little bit rough around the edges. *snort* 11R violation *snort*
brenneman 05:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Brenneman - Thank you for your advice. I would be willing to mentor this user, but clearly I don't want to unblock him unless there is support for my doing so. No unblock=No possibility for mentorship, right? Johntex\ 05:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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Cesar Tort and Ombudsman vs others re Biological psychiatry
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- joema (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Ande_B. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Rockpocket (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Fuzzform (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Jfdwolff (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Midgley (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Andrew73 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Cesar_Tort (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Ombudsman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Case summary: repeated POV-tagging of Biological psychiatry by Cesar Tort and Ombudsman
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
Editors Cesar Tort and Ombudsman did not respond to requests for mediation/arbitration.
Request consent for arbitration from Ombudsman (no response):
Request consent for mediation/arbitration from Cesar Tort (no response):
Statement by party 1
Case concerns repeated POV-tagging of Biological psychiatry, apparently motivated by strong anti-psychiatry feelings primarily by two editors: Cesar Tort and Ombudsman
The parties are in two opposing groups: Cesar Tort and Ombudsman vs everybody else.
Cesar Tort and Ombudsman have repeatedly POV-tagged Biological psychiatry, despite repeated entreaties by several editors to stop. They have strong anti-psychiatry feelings and want the article to extensively reflect that viewpoint. However there's already an article on Anti-psychiatry, where most of such content belongs. That has been tactfully pointed out to them multiple times.
There is broad consensus the article in current form is NPOV, well-referenced, and encyclopedic in tone and content. Two editors disagree: Cesar Tort and Ombudsman.
They've been begged to stop POV-tagging the article multiple times. They have not responded to requests for mediation. They feel very strongly about the topic, but apparently don't understand an encyclopedia article is not the forum to express those feelings, or at least restrict them to Anti-psychiatry. Regretably, at this point arbitration seems the only choice. See evidence sub-page: Joema 01:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Statement by party 2
While not deeply involved in the dispute this request addresses, i was asked to comment having worked with Cesar Tort on an extensive re-write of Anti-psychiatry. I concur with Joema's position, whose contribution to biological psychiatry i have praised , and attempted to explain Misplaced Pages's position on pseudoscience and WP:NPOV . I, with others, have also encouraged those who dispute the article's content to contribute their material to a more suitable article . I believe Cesar Tort's position, while misguided, is in good faith and that lack of response to requests for mediation is due to not understanding , rather than wilful disregard for the dispute resolution process. I take no position on Ombudsman's motives, though i believe her/his use of the NPOV tag is also misguided. Rockpocket 06:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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Requests for Clarification
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LaRouche POV on user pages
Could the ArbCom please clarify whether the expression of pro-LaRouche opinions on one's own user page are in violation of its past rulings? There appears to be some activity regarding censorship of these opinions which I find very disturbing and contrary to our whole spirit here. Everyking 11:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- For the record, Everyking is referring (I think) to Cognition's user page when in this form. JoshuaZ 12:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think that the edits are within what I would consider our intent in the ruling, yes. Cries of "censorship" be damned, we're here to write an encyclopædia.
- James F. (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I wasn't interested in the intent of the ruling, but rather in the interpretation of the ruling as it is written. But I guess that's another issue. The main point I want to make is that you are making the assumption that censoring the expression of a political POV on a user page will help write the encyclopedia. Is this accurate? My view, and it seems to be a common one, is that freedom of expression will work to improve the encyclopedia. Also: if it is true that, as you argue, this political POV expressed on a user page is harmful to the encyclopedia, does it follow that any political POV expressed on a user page is harmful to the encyclopedia? Everyking 06:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I fail to see how the expression of any general opinion in any way helps the project, yes. I suppose that there is a case to be made for internal politics, such as "I think that the English Misplaced Pages should be more deletionist", but even then... Certainly, expressions of personal faith ("I am a Christian"), of politics ("I am a Labour supporter"), or of non-organised belief ("I believe in animal rights") seem to me to be wholly and absolutely without merit.
- As to the execution of our orders, the intent governs the interpretation rather closely, given the immediacy of action and comment afforded to us by the wiki, so I would have thought it rather important. :-)
- James F. (talk) 11:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Crotalus horridus
The enforcement for Crotalus horridus conflicts with the enforcement provided in the userbox remedy. Presumably the enforcement applies only to Crotalus's probation should that be invoked. Or can admins choose whichever they prefer? (And, if they can, could 5 two-week blocks result in triggering the year-block even though the remedy would not have been invoked since it limits blocks to a week?) -Splash 16:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, we (I?) didn't do that too well. The options are to remove the enforcement from Remedy 1 or to specify that the enforcement only applies to Remedies 2 and 3. I support the former. Sam Korn 17:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- <ping>. I guess it's not especially important since Ch appears to be abiding by it, but it's at least untidy to let it lie. -Splash 23:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Motions in prior cases
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DPSingh
Since his arbitration case, DPSingh (talk · contribs) has violated his ruling and been blocked, and then created a whole host of sockpuppets to violate his article ban, and just be generally disruptive and uncivil. See most recent socks at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_CheckUser#Rajput_case. I recommend a general ban.
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Rajput is modified to include the following remedy:
DPSingh banned
For continued violation of his article ban for edit warring and incivility using sockpuppets, DPSingh is banned from editing Misplaced Pages for one year.
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