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| '''Comment by Pschemp''': The reasons for this have been explained over and over to CoolCat and he doesn't seem to be listening. First, LEGALLY, (and this is a legal issue for the foundation), since the Foundation has not officially sanctioned the anti-vandalism activity, no one can use #wikipedia-en-vandalism, as per Freenode policy, any channel with the word Misplaced Pages in it is an official, sanctioned to, and belonging to the Foundation channel. It doesn't matter who wants to put what there, if its not offical, it can't go there. CoolCat's bot etc. has not been officially approved, nor have the other ones running, hence the change in channel names to #vanadlism-en-wp. Coolcat is, and has always been, completely free to run his bot on another channel of his own choosing, but refuses to do so, claiming he has changed the code so that it makes it difficult to run with a different channel name. Legal issues, are however, a fact of life and difficulty as a result will have to be dealt with, but this in no way requires a mediation case, as the decisions are not up to Coolcat or Essjay. <small>]]] | ]</small> 12:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Revision as of 12:59, 21 April 2006
Mediation Case: 2006-04-20
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Request Information
- Request made by: Cool Cat 21:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- On IRC at #wikipedia-en-vandalism.
- The irc channel is owned by the WMF even though its unofficial part of wikipedia.
- Since both parties involved are wikipedians and the issues resolvement serves wikipedia itself directly.
- I think it is safe to discuss it here.
- Who's involved?
- User:Cool Cat, User:Essjay
- What's going on?
- The channel used to host my vandal detection bot, computer. After a very minor disagreement I left the channel in frustration about 15 days ago. When I decided to return I noticed I was banned from the channel. This means my bot cannot operate. The channel currently is unused still registered by Essjay.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I'd like to be able to run my bot on the channel. Due to the structure of the bot, the bot will only operate in channels following a spesific naming convention. Vandalism detection bots are imerative for the growing wikipedia.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- I'd prefer the discussion be avalible for public view.
- Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
- I am prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.
- This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
- what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.
- I'd prefer the channels ownership to be passed to me or someone else who will not interfere with my bots operation. Since the channel currently serves as a useless redirect to #wikipedia-en The channel had over 200 people registered for access (a check that filters out vandals), I do not believe this is unreasonable.
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Comments by others
Comment by Pschemp: The reasons for this have been explained over and over to CoolCat and he doesn't seem to be listening. First, LEGALLY, (and this is a legal issue for the foundation), since the Foundation has not officially sanctioned the anti-vandalism activity, no one can use #wikipedia-en-vandalism, as per Freenode policy, any channel with the word Misplaced Pages in it is an official, sanctioned to, and belonging to the Foundation channel. It doesn't matter who wants to put what there, if its not offical, it can't go there. CoolCat's bot etc. has not been officially approved, nor have the other ones running, hence the change in channel names to #vanadlism-en-wp. Coolcat is, and has always been, completely free to run his bot on another channel of his own choosing, but refuses to do so, claiming he has changed the code so that it makes it difficult to run with a different channel name. Legal issues, are however, a fact of life and difficulty as a result will have to be dealt with, but this in no way requires a mediation case, as the decisions are not up to Coolcat or Essjay. pschemp | talk 12:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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