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==Battlefield conduct==
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Bach music
Thank you for treating Bach's instrumental music with profound knowledge, namely Clavier-Übung III and now Orgelbüchlein, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if you may want to link to the occasions of the liturgical year which may not be known to the common reader, such as Purification, compare List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function? (And perhaps use less bold for titles, more italics?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
This is happening in the images and eventually will be in the text. There is a huge amount to add (musical excerpts, analysis, history, etc) and this will all happen in due course. The model for this article is closer to Great Eighteen Chorale Preludes. Please be patient and let me get on with writing the article. The titles will have English translations and that all takes time. At the moment I'm looking for images German stained glass... Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 12:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at Barber's Adagio. Please let me understand what do you mean by improperly sourced in your edit summary? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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R&I review

I note that you haven't asked for my recusal in this case. I should probably have pinged you on this before I started voting on the principles, but I can retroactively recuse at this time if needed. So--do you want to assert that my involvement in some of the matters discussed in the evidence is sufficiently entangled that you do not trust me to be fair and impartial regarding the case. Because of how sufficiently entwined the matters are, I do not believe it appropriate for me to recuse with respect to one or two of the three editors involved, so any recusal would be an all-or-nothing affair. Jclemens (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Jclemens, on 27 February I left this message on your talk page. You replied thus. Ferahgo the Assassin (FtA)-Captain Occam (CO) happened to include those diffs of random comments on your election discussion page (a reply to Casliber) and on the workshop page of the abortion case when I briefly commented in defense of MastCell. It's hard to believe these diffs are being used to show anything within the context of WP:ARBR&I, but if they are, for whatever reason, then of course you were involved. On the election discussion page I made a very clear statement praising you as an administrator and you thanked me: I had made a clarification only after Casliber asked a question. FtA-CO were indiscrimante in the diffs they produced when they tabled their request for amendment and misrepresented those diffs with their commentary. Why two diffs like that are even under consideration here mystifies me. If the arbitration committee are seriously considering these as evidence of anything at all (my deep evilness perhaps :)), you probably would have to recuse. On the other hand I cannot believe they are. Because of the problems created by the diffs FtA_CO produced, my view is that you do not need to recuse, but that arbitrators should look very carefully at those diffs, as I have already said. Most of them show nothing at all. There are two referring to Echigo mole, whose ipsock left this comment on the amendment page. Mathsci (talk) 04:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Jclemens, you wrote this after your re-election to arbcom. Those comments appeared to be personal criticisms of critics, including presumably me. These, and similar comments in the abortion arbcom case, seem to still be motiva ting your edits. Having in an official capacity demanded responses to proxy-edits on behalf of a site-banned users in a request for amendment, you have then apparently labelled the responses as "battleground behaviour". Mathsci (talk) 14:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I asked you if you thought I could be impartial, and you replied above (in a somewhat convoluted manner) that you did not see a necessity for me to recuse. If I thought myself that I could not be impartial in this case, I would have recused without asking your opinion. It's a bit late in the game to bring up something once I've not recused, implying that me finding a degree of fault in your conduct--though not to a level sanctionable to even a topic ban level--is motivated by anything other than a detached assessment of the current situation rather than any fallout from the Abortion case. Indeed, one might presume that I would be favorably disposed to Occam/Ferahgo because they'd assisted me with evaluating evidence in the Abortion case. In fact, I call it exactly like I see it: I am not convinced there are two independent editors there, and you are often both right and excessively abrasive in the process of being right. Please take that feedback for what it is: my honest and impartial appraisal of the conduct of all involved parties. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 17:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Jonathann Clemens, that is not what you asked me. You should probably have replied here before posting comments or votes elsewhere. Normally when arbitrators are lobbied by disruptive editors, they make no reply. Please take note. Mathsci (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
You asked whether you should recuse yourself. I made no definite reply. I already suggested in February that you probably should recuse, as recorded above. Then once more you yourself raised the question of recusal on 18 April. You chose not to reply here immediately, but went ahead and made statements on the PD page, without making any comments on the diffs concerning you. Now you have written that it's too "late in the day." Perhaps you might at least add a comment on one of the PD pages about those diffs, or even possibly the others, which probably should all be reread now that it has become apparent that FtA's edits are unreliable and misrepresent both herself and others. The diffs concerning you and MastCell are not personal attacks, do not concern ideological opponents (whatever that is supposed to mean) and do not display battleground conduct. FtA and CO have been described by Roger Davies as having "in particular a tendency to not hear combined with extraordinary persistence and tenacity (trying to get an iBan with Mathsci for nearly two years, for example) which are a poor fit for Misplaced Pages." Unfortunately those same observations apply equally well to their submissions to you during the abortion arbcom case concerning MastCell. FtA had been blocked by him, so could not be considered impartial. The evidence they produced against MastCell, which was not made public but presumably involved the diffs you placed on the workshop page, was a precursor to the type of "evidence" they produced about me during the request for amendment. Only arbitrators know what the private evidence of FtA and CO was like. Their on-wiki conduct would suggest that it was probably unreliable and and also quite likely to misrepresent all those concerned. Mathsci (talk) 07:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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FYI I only nominated that because the reproduction of the engraving is extremely bad, not because of anything particular to the engraving itself. Yesterday I also tried to investigate this image of yours to find better info on the provenance of the image before a possible transfer to commons, but it doesn't seem that the British Museum actually holds the print (judging by a search of the British Museum's collection online--the database there seems to be comprehensive btw). I can't find anything really authoritative that dates this image or gives an author. Can you help find a reliable source describing where this image comes from? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually, are you sure that first image (now on commons at File:J.S. Bach by August Weger.png) is by Weber? The source link goes to another image entirely (and searching that site doesn't bring up anything by Weger). Other sites credit a different engraving to Weger. (Obviously, it's possible that Weger did more than one engraving.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
That is the information that I found at the time when I uploaded it. Is there any reason to doubt it? Possibly on that website there was a mistake in recording the first name of the artist. Here for example on the website of the Bibliotheque Nationale de France is the same image. There it is stated that it is by Joseph Weger after a painting by Stichler, so possibly the source confused Joseph Weger with August Weger. The same image appears in several other places. So there probably was an error in the first name. Mathsci (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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Your perspective would be of value

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed significantly since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 00:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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Battlefield conduct

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