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Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Tawkerbot2

I don't see the bot having any edits on the article, I see a couple by myself which might be in error but I don't see any bot edits, could you provide a diff to the bots edit? -- Tawker 23:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You're right, I did have an edit history version with godmodelight where it reverted to the vadalised version which I promptly fixed, I still don't see how my bot was involved in this. -- Tawker 23:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of quotation by John Howard of Australia on the "American disease" (the 2A right to bear arms)

You may find this discussion underway under Gun politics in Australia interesting. Also, see Misplaced Pages:Australian Wikipedians' notice board, under #64 John Howard's "American disease" quote from a domestic radio broadcast in Australia for alternative points of view on whether this quotation intended for Australians should be allowed to stay without addressing its context. Yaf 13:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Spanish missions in California

Feel free to put this on your user page:

Template:User Spanish missions in California

--Lordkinbote 23:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the FIrearms text in the [[United States

I knew there was more to write but I didn't have the time, energy or interest. I figured if I got it started, someone else would come along and improve it.

Richard Cuba

Just dropping a note to say I noticed the mediation and took a good look at the issue out of interest. I appreciate your position and I think you're correct on the subject matter, you are also correct to say that;

Am willing to offer assistance in reaching consensus via dispute processes, for what it's worth --Zleitzen 04:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bruce, glad you didn't take my comment to heart. Have you read the talk page archives for Cuba and Castro? You'll see what you are up against with your hopes for civilty, or consensus. I've considered various strategies over the last few months, but in the end I'd need to spend more of my week than I have spare to get anywhere with what I consider necessary - the development of a twin track entry. Too many people out there who feel it necessary to overwrite contrary perspectives. I do feel strongly that invoking Wiki standards/mediation/etc is a real waste of time. The regular warriors simply take a break and when the page is open again return to their edit warring, and meanwhile there are plenty of newcomers/passers by, ignorant of the page's history and debate, who plunge straight in with their asserted truths. My opinion is take it as it is and do your best to uphold some encyclopedic standards, which in this case do amount to describing the range of viewpoints on the subject. Don't expect more than small victories, and hope that they will accumulate. MichaelW 09:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bruce. I appreciate your efforts to apply encyclopedia and wikipedia standards on the Cuba page. I believe that these immediate disputes will be ironed out, even if the dispute process is moved on somewhat. I will continue to support any efforts here.

What I'm also interested in is what occurs after this dispute is resolved. I'd like to liase with other parties to minimize the potential of such breaches of NPOV on this page in the future. It's an important aspect of Misplaced Pages, the internet and thus has wider implications.

It's striking to observe the difficulties some editors have in applying objective standards. Personally I have argued (and will continue to argue) at length with socialists and Marxist-Leninists etc outside wikipedia about the implementation of such ideologies. And I've been accused in some circles of being an anti-Castro reactionary (though I dispute that also!). But all of this should be left at the door when editing Misplaced Pages. My motivation is to challenge common misinterpretations and cultural bias, so we can present an accurate picture of Cuba free from dominant received wisdom. --Zleitzen 13:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bruce, are you still interested in progressing the dispute process, and following the step towards formal mediation?--Zleitzen 21:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, sure. Doesn't mediation require that all parties be willing to mediate? I don't see that we meet that condition right now. BruceHallman 21:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bruce, I've sent you an email, in the mean time I think it is worth considering a Rfc on Adam Carr. Do you have any thoughts on this?--Zleitzen 22:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Boo - I take it not a thing has expanded since the last war of words and insult flinging at the mediators? I see Adam and his buddies have stopped torturing the talkpage. --Scott Grayban 05:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm you guys noticed that PMA, Adam and 172 are all Australian's? And from I have read from there political views have a high hatred for Cuba and are very biased against Cuba. Might be time to find articles about there hate towards Cuba to prove a point about these people. --Scott Grayban 13:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Got AIM or Yahoo?

Have you got a IM ? We should chat about what we are going to do about these trolls in Cuba --Scott Grayban 20:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, no IM, but everybody is invited to email me, including you. My email is bruce@hallman.org and I try to respond quickly. I trust that Misplaced Pages, ultimately, will be fair about this. I regret that some at Cuba appear to feel that they 'own' the article and appear unwilling to 'play nice', collaborate and compromise towards a NPOV. Still all POV's must be represented including POV's I don't like. I am willing to give the benifit of the doubt, and they may still come around sometime soon. BruceHallman 21:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

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Personal attacks

Personal attacks have only taken place where another editor has criticised you as a person, not your edits or pronouncements. When Adam stated that he could not begin to express his views about you, he was not making a personal attack. He then went on to express his opinions of what you had written. There are therefore no personal attacks to admonish. David | Talk 17:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, David, these people disagree with you. BruceHallman 03:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Michael W

Received this email from MichaelW saying that he's been blocked?

"You were blocked by PMA for the following reason (see our blocking policy): "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "MichaelW". The reason given for MichaelW's block is: "POV edits, article degradation, POV pushing, abuse of other editors, lack of good faith"."--Zleitzen 03:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Wonder why they wont blocked Adam and 172 then. --Scott Grayban 11:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you read User talk:PMA you see that PMA appears to be quite cordial with User:172

I have requested PMA to explain the block, but he has not replied yet.

And my reading of PMA posts in Talk:Cuba reveals his strong POV, which happens to be the opposite POV of MichaelW. I guess I was naive to expect that administrators should recuse themselves from disputes in which they have an appearance of conflict of interest. BruceHallman 14:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Please look at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Richardchilton for why i have such a poor view of Marxist POV contributors to the 'pedia - i have given them a chance as that page proves - also i have been here for many years and an admin for three - i am not some cluless newbie who petulantly blocks people. For what it's worth i did unblock him when told to by the Powers That Be. PMA 15:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

His open advocation of pushing a Marxist POV on the Cuba page - also see his own talk page for his use of phrases such as "capitalist fanboys" - as i said with my experience of people like Richardchilton and his sockpuppets and cohorts i am wary of lefist POV pushers - ditto for right wing POV pushers when it comes to the crimes and death squads of right wing governments of Africa, Asia and the Americas - i try to protect articles from both "The Communist Peoples Party" on one side and "The National Salvation Front" on the other as someone put it on here some years ago.

As for your second question - i do not know the answer i am afraid. PMA 16:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Paul (PMA) suffers from Asperger's syndrome, which effects his judgement. He means well, but he really should't be an admin at all. He has been de-admined (if that's the word) once, but he doesn't have much else in his life and was allowed to be an admin again. He usually admits error when it is pointed out to him, as he has done in this case. Please let the matter drop, as he gets very upset if he feels he has made an error. Please delete this note once read. Adam 16:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)