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Please attempt to get a consensus somewhere before sweepingly removing the German and Hungarian names from all Slovak city articles. I can't agree that they're "irrelevant" since they were commonly used in English in the past, have a read of the ], for example. Looking at the recent edit history it might be a good idea to do this on ] <font face="trebuchet MS">- ]]]</font> 20:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC) | Please attempt to get a consensus somewhere before sweepingly removing the German and Hungarian names from all Slovak city articles. I can't agree that they're "irrelevant" since they were commonly used in English in the past, have a read of the ], for example. Looking at the recent edit history it might be a good idea to do this on ] <font face="trebuchet MS">- ]]]</font> 20:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
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== A comment to your "friendly advice" from ANI == | |||
''your edits are obviously POV and there are obviously other people who do not agree with such edits and due to that, I am sure that such people will revert or delete your edits as soon as they get chance.'' - Yes, I'm aware of that, and that's why I make sure to source ALL the statements I add to any of the articles properly.<br> | |||
''So, the only way in which you can keep your POV here would be to fight over it for many years, but even that would not be guarantee of success'' - Well, sometimes it DOES feel like it, exactly because of all the nationalist POV pushers out there who (like you said) strive to remove content I've added on sight. And that's the problem: they don't want to CHANGE it, only to remove it. This is why most of the editors who've done this have "vanished" throughout the years yet I'm still here.<br> | |||
''just imagine that in the near future Slovak users ensure numerical superiority in Misplaced Pages. Where your POV would be then? In Recycle Bin, of course.'' - Now I REALLY doubt this. There aren't nearly enough Slovak editors for the Slovak Misplaced Pages alone (hinted by the sorry state it's in) so it's even less likely that there'd be a massive influx of Slovak editors to the EN WP. And even in an unlikely situation that Slovak editors (with a keen interest in history topics) would come by the dozens, they have many things in common with you: they're immune to reason, love to replace academic/solid sources that oppose their ideology with fringe theory sites meant to promote patent nonsense (and which don't come even close to being reliable sources) and become rather rude when one starts to question their motives/disagrees with them. Thus these editors would sooner or later get blocked themselves even without my assistance (take ] for instance: first he's been indefed on EN WP by the help of others, then went to DE WP -which isn't edited by the Hungarian editors from here-, where he's been subsequently blocked too). So the odds are strongly against the nationalists, whether you like that or not.<br> | |||
''You do not have to worry about me in "your owned article" anymore since I certainly have something better to do in my life'' - Well, you've been topic banned from Serbian history articles, thus I won't be surprised to see you appear at other Hungarian history-related articles too. | |||
''you also wasting your time in Misplaced Pages in general:'' - I have to disappoint you regarding the prospect of disseminating Pan-Slavist nationalist lies too: they've been spread for too long and their crimes went silent and unnoticed for too long. Various Slavic (mostly Slovak and Serbian) propaganda materials about the history of Hungary have been circulated across the globe for too long without the remote possibility of offering at least a NPOV let alone a counteropinion. Fortunately all the cruelties have been well-documented (and many of them well-researched), so the stories will hopefully start to live a life of their own. And when that happens, no amount of counter-propaganda will be able to stop it, because they can't stand a chance against truth (not "perceived" truth which's basically lies disseminated as truth, but a well-documented and properly sourced truth). -- ] (]) 12:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC) |
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I suggest you look into Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. I haven't had time to devote to this myself, but there should be plenty of other editors :) --Joy (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
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Ispravio sa u ta tri clanka. Boli je nekih polja viska. -- Bojan Talk 05:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Nisam ja, u stvari jesam. Ulogovao sam bota preko svog naloga, a on je ispravljao na hiljade clanaka, nisam stigao sve da ispregledam. -- Bojan Talk 05:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Radio sam to posto sam primetio da mnogi clanci o Srbiji i Bosni imaju samo da je to mesto u Srbiji ili u Bosni u toj i toj opstini i postojao je dole sablon za koordinate. Takav standradiyovan tekst sam iskoristio da dodam sablon i da on iscrtava mapu gde se to selo nalayi. Negde sam dodavao i cirilicne nazive (ne znam iz kog rayloga nije uspelo u svim mestima), kao i medjuwiki veze (jer ih uopste nisu imali), npr Žunjeviće ili sam iskoristi to sto postoji slika na pocetku clanka, npr Surduk. Jos nisam zavrsio, cekam da AnomeBot doda korrdinate u sve clanke gde fali pa da ponovo krenem. Treba jos da se za sela u Vojvodini doda da izmedju okruga i drzave postoji jos i pokrajina. Sve cu to da uradim, samo malo da se odmorim od toga. -- Bojan Talk 05:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Btw, I wrote article Salaš u Malom Ritu, and discovered that Ja sm rođen tamo na salašu is not folk song. It was written by Miomir Petrović and Dragan Mirković (student and his comrade in the show). Branko Bauer met them in Niš and hired them for the show. -- Bojan Talk 05:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Moguovo za Opstinegradove, ovo za statisticke regione mi nije jasno. Mislim da ti statisticki regioni nisu nista specijalno ida i se pridaje suvisan znacaj. Samo sad imam neke privatne probleme, vikipedija mije na poslednjemmestu. Ako moze ovo da saceka do maja recimo? -- Bojan Talk 19:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- ovo sam pokusavao, negde sam uspeo, negde nisam, videcu jos da pokusam ugrabiti
- ne svidja mi se da mesam administrativne i statisticke regione, izazvace zabunu. Izjednacavaju se Vojvodina kao pokrajina, koja stvarno ima samoupravu i Istocna i juzna Srbija koja postoji samo u statistickom zavodu.
- isto
- pokusacu
- ovo mogu sigurno
- pokusacu, ovo sve zavisi koliko bude uspesna tacka 4 -- Bojan Talk 06:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Ili i Province Vojvodina i Region Vojvodina? -- Bojan Talk 06:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Mislio sam ovako -- Bojan Talk 07:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Poenta je da statisticki nivoi nisu administrativni. To sto ih nalazis na sajtu statistickog zavoda je logicno, jer oni postoje prvenstveno za potrebe statistickog zavoda. Ja sam i dlje za onako kako sam predlozio, da Vojvodinu pisemo dvaputa, dapored pokrajina stoji i zastava Vojvodine, a pored vojvodine kao statisticke oblasti da ne stoji nikakva zastava, -- Bojan Talk 11:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Sad sam se setio da postoji i region Beograd koji odgovara Beogradskom okrugu. Ako pisem razdvojeno statisticke oblasti od drugih administrativnih regija, Province, Region i District. -- Bojan Talk 12:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Ajde da pitamo za trece misljenje. -- Bojan Talk 08:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Dunno. Folks from Wiki project Serbia or somebody who had showed interested in this before. -- Bojan Talk 06:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Hm, Duja? -- Bojan Talk 20:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Not really, but I will do in in that way nevertheless. Later we can reach compromise for Vojvodina and Belgrade. -- Bojan Talk 02:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please use English per WP:SPEAKENGLISH. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- where exactly? PANONIAN 18:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- On your own Talk page and, for example, here.--Bbb23 (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, WP:SPEAKENGLISH says that "it is preferred" that I use English, not that I am obligated to do that. Anyway, I only had private conversation and small disagreement with colleague from sr Misplaced Pages about exact interpretation of Serbian territorial organization law. If you think that this subject is interesting to you, the problem is whether Vojvodina should be presented in two lines or in a single line in infoboxes since it is an autonomous province and also an statistical region. By my opinion, two things are same, i.e. Vojvodina is "an statistical region which have status of autonomous province" and therefore, infobox should have a single line named "Province / Region" for Vojvodina, while User:BokicaK claims that two things are not same and that we should have two separate lines - one for province and another one for statistical region. So, Bbb23, if you think that you can help in this disagreement, you are free to do so. PANONIAN 04:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Guidelines are meant to be followed unless there is an overriding reason not to (see WP:PG). I don't see that you have any good reason not to write in English per the guideline.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, WP:SPEAKENGLISH says that "it is preferred" that I use English, not that I am obligated to do that. Anyway, I only had private conversation and small disagreement with colleague from sr Misplaced Pages about exact interpretation of Serbian territorial organization law. If you think that this subject is interesting to you, the problem is whether Vojvodina should be presented in two lines or in a single line in infoboxes since it is an autonomous province and also an statistical region. By my opinion, two things are same, i.e. Vojvodina is "an statistical region which have status of autonomous province" and therefore, infobox should have a single line named "Province / Region" for Vojvodina, while User:BokicaK claims that two things are not same and that we should have two separate lines - one for province and another one for statistical region. So, Bbb23, if you think that you can help in this disagreement, you are free to do so. PANONIAN 04:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- On your own Talk page and, for example, here.--Bbb23 (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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G'day again, PANONIAN. Can you give us a clue as to what exactly you are reconstructing or expanding at this article? Thanks. Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
- Perhaps you can check history of my edits? I also planned some other expansion. Anyway, I think that these personal tags are stupid idea, so you are free to remove tag that I posted. But, you should also remove the one that you posted - you can expand article without that tag, right? PANONIAN 10:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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I hereby ask you to delete from the discussion of my user page your completely unfounded accusation, which constitutes as far as I am concerned a personal attack. --FocalPoint (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I clearly disagree with your one-sided decision to change all categories of "Ottoman-areas" to "History of areas during Ottoman administration". I have proved that there are several references to "Ottoman-areas" and therefore, I am reverting your edits. This includes Ottoman Hungary as well all your other edits in the Category:History of the Ottoman Empire by country. As far as the Serbia (Territory of the German Military Commander), I have not edited the article at all and I have participated in the discussion, without taking sides. If you believe that accusation of stalking is a tool to stop other editors from participating in editing Misplaced Pages articles, I must inform you that this is not correct, it looks rather an attempt to abuse Misplaced Pages policy. As for the offer not to change non-Central European countries related articles, I am very sorry to hear this and I will not participate in any sort of such "deal". It is only a matter of references, not preferences. I am asking you to discuss the issue in Category talk:History of the Ottoman Empire by country. I am asking you again to remove the accusation of stalking, which I consider to be a personal attack. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
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- PANONIAN, please make comments in your own section which is called 'Statement by PANONIAN'. AE is not a good place for threaded discussion. It is hard to get a clear view of your thinking if you scatter things everywhere, including the admin section. To address other people you can include in your comment @User:Smith: 'My reply to Smith is..' if you want. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK. PANONIAN 17:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for yor e-mail Panonian. There's no need to e-mail me; you could have approached me on my talk page. The two points you raise are, honestly, very minor differences of interpretation - NOT MATTERS FOR REPEATED EDIT WARRING. This is why I believe that Director's conduct in the few days we've recently been in contact has been *much* better than yours, and why I agree with User:Blade of the Northern Lights that you do not sufficiently hold a WP:Neutral Point of View to edit any Serbia-related articles. Yes, Director's conduct has been bad as well, and yes, he has a repeated block log record as well. But in the time period under discussion, your conduct - especially accusing an Australian editor of being a sockpuppet of a user halfway around the world from him - is, honestly, far worse.
- Look, let's do it this way. I would STRONGLY advise you to avoid, COMPLETELY, editing ANY Serbia-related articles for at least two months. That would be with or without any formal sanctions on you - it would be evidence of good faith. Meanwhile, if you wish, I will find an appropriate noticeboard for the two issues you've raised with me, invite, at least, the four previous users who were involved in the last discussion (Producer, Director, Peacemaker67, and myself, possibly others), say explicitly that I'm raising a point you're concerned about, and guide or try to guide the issue to a resolution. If you like this idea, while this is underway, MAINTAIN SOME SELF-CONTROL, and DO NOT COMMENT - I'm quite capable of arguing your point of view to reasonable limits.
- PLEASE CONSIDER STRONGLY not editing ANY Serbia-related articles for some time. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 20:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I've just read the final result of the AE discussion. Do not edit any Serbia-related articles from now on, or I will be obligated to block you. However, if you wish me to raise the two issues you raised with me by e-mail, please say so here and I will do so. Cheers and best wishes Buckshot06 (talk) 21:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- I just want to make 100% clear you know the scope of this ban; if you have any questions about it at all, let me know and I'll respond as quickly as possible. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK, you're allowed to focus on Serbian geography and demographics, as long as they're in modern times; i.e. adding the most recent population for a town or region or adding details about a major river or forest. Politicians from the last 20 years are also fair game. I hope that clarifies things; if you have any other questions, or a question about a specific edit if you're not sure, leave me a message. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 10:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- I just want to make 100% clear you know the scope of this ban; if you have any questions about it at all, let me know and I'll respond as quickly as possible. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:11, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I've just read the final result of the AE discussion. Do not edit any Serbia-related articles from now on, or I will be obligated to block you. However, if you wish me to raise the two issues you raised with me by e-mail, please say so here and I will do so. Cheers and best wishes Buckshot06 (talk) 21:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK. PANONIAN 17:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Your recent edits to ANI and AN3
Given that you were just sanctioned under ARBMAC, I'd think you'd want to steer clear of anything that could potentially be construed as a violation. I'm not going to block you this time, but if you continue at either venue or do so in the future I will. So consider this your warning. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK. Thank you. PANONIAN 07:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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The map was mdepicted in the Révay encyclopedia (a Hungarian Encyclopedia) http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/186603/encyclopaedia/31993/Encyclopaedias-and-politics The map was created by Dr.Márki Sándor , who depicted the imagination of Gesta Hungarorum. However Dr.Márki personally as a historian denied the existence of Vlachs (Romanians) in Transylvania and Present-day Romania before the 13th century. Dr. Marki also noted that opinion on the page of the Encyclopedia where your map is located. Therefore your caption is misleading.
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Novi Sad
Tvoje podatke za stanovnistvo Novog Sada su pogresne. Procitaj jois jednom tvoj link pa ces videti da je preko 300.000 Nado158 (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
A kakva je razlika izmedju ukupno popisana lica i ukupno broj stanovnika? Sto je razlika tolko velika i de su ti ljudi? --Nado158 (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Uredu, upravu si. Pozdrav :) --Nado158 (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Re: Croats of Vojvodina
Isn't it obvious? Discuss it on the talk page. Please don't make a habit of asking me as if you need some deus ex machina administrator intervention every time there's an issue, first use the fine talk pages and everything will be fine :) --Joy (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hungarian and German names for Slovak cities
Please attempt to get a consensus somewhere before sweepingly removing the German and Hungarian names from all Slovak city articles. I can't agree that they're "irrelevant" since they were commonly used in English in the past, have a read of the Treaty of Trianon, for example. Looking at the recent edit history it might be a good idea to do this on Talk:Bratislava - filelakeshoe 20:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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A comment to your "friendly advice" from ANI
your edits are obviously POV and there are obviously other people who do not agree with such edits and due to that, I am sure that such people will revert or delete your edits as soon as they get chance. - Yes, I'm aware of that, and that's why I make sure to source ALL the statements I add to any of the articles properly.
So, the only way in which you can keep your POV here would be to fight over it for many years, but even that would not be guarantee of success - Well, sometimes it DOES feel like it, exactly because of all the nationalist POV pushers out there who (like you said) strive to remove content I've added on sight. And that's the problem: they don't want to CHANGE it, only to remove it. This is why most of the editors who've done this have "vanished" throughout the years yet I'm still here.
just imagine that in the near future Slovak users ensure numerical superiority in Misplaced Pages. Where your POV would be then? In Recycle Bin, of course. - Now I REALLY doubt this. There aren't nearly enough Slovak editors for the Slovak Misplaced Pages alone (hinted by the sorry state it's in) so it's even less likely that there'd be a massive influx of Slovak editors to the EN WP. And even in an unlikely situation that Slovak editors (with a keen interest in history topics) would come by the dozens, they have many things in common with you: they're immune to reason, love to replace academic/solid sources that oppose their ideology with fringe theory sites meant to promote patent nonsense (and which don't come even close to being reliable sources) and become rather rude when one starts to question their motives/disagrees with them. Thus these editors would sooner or later get blocked themselves even without my assistance (take User:Juro for instance: first he's been indefed on EN WP by the help of others, then went to DE WP -which isn't edited by the Hungarian editors from here-, where he's been subsequently blocked too). So the odds are strongly against the nationalists, whether you like that or not.
You do not have to worry about me in "your owned article" anymore since I certainly have something better to do in my life - Well, you've been topic banned from Serbian history articles, thus I won't be surprised to see you appear at other Hungarian history-related articles too.
you also wasting your time in Misplaced Pages in general: - I have to disappoint you regarding the prospect of disseminating Pan-Slavist nationalist lies too: they've been spread for too long and their crimes went silent and unnoticed for too long. Various Slavic (mostly Slovak and Serbian) propaganda materials about the history of Hungary have been circulated across the globe for too long without the remote possibility of offering at least a NPOV let alone a counteropinion. Fortunately all the cruelties have been well-documented (and many of them well-researched), so the stories will hopefully start to live a life of their own. And when that happens, no amount of counter-propaganda will be able to stop it, because they can't stand a chance against truth (not "perceived" truth which's basically lies disseminated as truth, but a well-documented and properly sourced truth). -- CoolKoon (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)