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|reason=While the editing that I did prior to being blocked (which was also the reason for the block) appeared to be disruptive, petty and provocative, I did them to highlight the fact blocking as punitive action is completely inappropriate to deal with the matter in hand. It is a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a sunflower seed, to rephrase the saying. Also, I carried out the edits to highlight the fact that there is a small group of editors who hound me while I attempt to improve Misplaced Pages. Arthur Rubin and I do not see eye to eye, and to me it seem that he blocked me based on a knee jerk emotive reaction rather than rationality. It seems that "bad blood" clouds the judgement of some of the editors who turn up on my talk page with monotonous regularity. | |||
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We, as editors, should leave the human frailty of negative emotive responses for the real world rather than bringing them into the wikiworld. | We, as editors, should leave the human frailty of negative emotive responses for the real world rather than bringing them into the wikiworld. | ||
BTW I did not realise that I could edit my talk page while blocked! -- ] (] - ]) 20:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |decline=No point lifting a block that will expire soon anyway. Furthermore, I don't see this block as punitive, rather it appears you were blocked to prevent deliberate disruption to which you admitted — which, due to the unrepentant nature of your request, suggests that an extension of this block may be necessary to prevent further disruption. That's really up to you. ~] <small>(])</small> 22:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC) | BTW I did not realise that I could edit my talk page while blocked! -- ] (] - ]) 20:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC) | ||
|decline=No point lifting a block that will expire soon anyway. Furthermore, I don't see this block as punitive, rather it appears you were blocked to prevent deliberate disruption to which you admitted — which, due to the unrepentant nature of your request, suggests that an extension of this block may be necessary to prevent further disruption. That's really up to you. ~] <small>(])</small> 22:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
*I have a dilemma. I want to fix Misplaced Pages but cannot do so if blocked. When, and if, I am unblocked I have every intention of doing the very things for which I was blocked in order to improve Misplaced Pages. So I will probably get blocked again. It is ridiculous! I can see why editors are leaving. I can see why the backlog is not going away. -- ] (] - ]) 01:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Saint Thomas Christian music
You were bold in removing some cats at Saint Thomas Christian music. I reverted because I did not understand them (you used the automated HotCat edit summary, so I do realise that issue). You have now reverted me with a manual edit summary that I still consider to be obscure, Please can you self-revert and discuss? You may be right, but convince me ;) - Sitush (talk) 01:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- As I said in my edit summary the article is about music rather than communities. It therefore should not have categories relating to communities. Categories are black and white/yeas and no and so articles should only have categories that have a strong connection with the topic. Have a read of WP:CAT. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- So why have you left some in there? Actually, forget it. I am going to raise the issue on the talk page. - Sitush (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- Do you mean Category:Kerala society? I wavered on that one. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah. I have mentioned the issues at Talk:Saint_Thomas_Christian_music#Categorisation, mainly because these STC articles are proving to be a nightmare of edit wars and so it is probably best to resolve the issue now before it turns into yet another prolonged game of ping-pong. You are probably correct but you may not be aware of just how much fighting goes on over (seemingly) the most trivial points, an example at Saint Thomas Christians being acres of space devoted to whether the word "communal" should be dropped because it has political overtones. I am not great on category-related work, btw. - Sitush (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The WP:AN/I Barnstar is hereby awarded for having a thread about you on WP:AN/I reach #1 on the table of contents, while being exonerated of any wrongdoing (or, at least, there being no consensus you did something wrong). --Hammersoft (talk) 13:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks a lot for that. Whew! What an epic thread that was! -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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I really like your style, the way you get things done... quietly, surely, and prolifically, omg! :) Penyulap ☏25 Jun 2012 (UTC)_ |
- Gosh! Thank you! -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:25, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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Sandbox
Hello, just wondering why you would remove that sandbox when it was created so that I could re-structure the page without completely disrupting the original?--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- The page was showing up in content categories. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- So to reinstate it I would need to remove the categories?--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Or comment them out, or put a ":" in the category link like this: ]. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs)
Your behavior
Your prolific activity deleting content on wikipedia has already been questioned. You were lucky to escape being banned here. That was just last week, still it didn't apparently alter your rapid, short-sighted deletionist activity. I doubt you will listen to my words either, but I have to try: Stop. Spend a little time researching and helping the project, rather than laying a destructive swath across anything you touch. I do take it personally that you attack a category I have contributed heavily to. If you have an issue with a title, deletion is not the solution. Our titles here are called EDITORS. Suggest a better title for the category. But this is a wholesale complaint.
Directly above that in the Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 26, you are also attacking another category Category:Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer contract players which I am also somewhat informed about. Obviously more informed about it than you. You think its a useless, marginally populated category. You did no research. You didn't try. I invite you to look at my pointed comments in the CfD. If you had done even the simplest google search you could have found content to solve the issue you complained about. There would be no reason for the fate of the category to be held in the balance because of your proposal for deletion. Now that you have placed the category on the chopping block, I had to follow your attack and do the work for you. I have now clearly proven the category is valid. You were wrong.
The issue is; you cannot possibly be giving each of your attacks the due consideration they deserve. You know when you toss things into consideration for deletion, the odds are the discussion and decision will only involve a handful of back-room editors. Most editors, much less the members of the general public, don't have the knowledge or the time to spend chasing after just your one person path of destruction through those obscure places. I don't usually prowl those corridors unless I need to, like when contents I contribute gets attacked. Do not suggest that this process gets due consideration. You know it does not. And yet you repeat this destructiveness over and over. It would take a crew of people just to follow you alone to fix the damage you do to wikipedia. And your damage leaves a prejudicial residue that effectively lasts forever if another person does come along and try to correct for something you successfully got deleted. There is just no other solution than for you to change your behavior. Stop. Trackinfo (talk) 11:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Trackinfo, you are completely out of line. A person does not need to be thoroughly knowledgeable of a subject in order to make additions, deletions, recommendations, or any other editorial action. If a deletion has merit, it will hold up on consensus. If it doesn't, it won't. You do not own anything here. If you do not want your writing to be edited, deleted, or rephrased at will, then do not submit it here. Describing placing a category for deletion as "an attack" is a gross overstatement. The solution you appear to be advocating is to shut down all XfD processes since these constitute "attacks". You may wish to consider the wise words of Antoine de Saint-Exupéry when he said "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Lastly, the claim that he was somehow lucky to escape being banned at the recent WP:AN/I is false on the face of it. Alan never faced banning. Sandstein inappropriately threatened a block, not a ban, and no consensus was found that Alan's actions were in any way improper. It isn't about luck. It's about consensus. Being a deletionist or inclusionist on Misplaced Pages is not a sin. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Except Alan has a long history of inappropriate deletions and has been brought to ANI for them time and again. I first ran across him when he was on his book prodding spree and he prodded an article I had created, Will Grayson, Will Grayson, whose references haven't changed since then. It took a group of us to comb through the past ten pages of his contributions history and remove most of the prods. In turn, he often then just listed them for deletion, but I only know of 1 book that was actually deleted in the end. Thus, he had around a 90% fail rate, if not higher, on his prodding, and that is completely inappropriate. And i've seen no evidence that he has improved in his deletion activities since then. Silverseren 21:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- So that is why your comments about me tend to be disparaging. Please assume good faith, please do not make assumptions and please do not bring our human frailties into the Wikiworld. And if you did some some quantitative research on my use of PROD nominations you will find that your perception is not borne out by reality. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- So you're saying your mass prodding has improved since the book prods and that you now put the titles and names into, say, Google News before adding a prod to check for notability? Because i'm thinking of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Faithful Place right now, where all you have to do is click that news button right there and you'll find a first page full of reviews from major newspapers. Silverseren 22:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Please do some research on my editing behaviour before making pointed accusations. Can you back up you claim that I carry out "mass prodding" (whatever that may be)? You should also realise that notability guidelines are subjective and not necessarily a reflection of the community for every single article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Additional note to Trackinfo: it is 'Categories for Discussion' - not 'Categories for Deletion' - and discussion is what everybody is advocating (sometimes up to the level that it is time to delete WP:BOLD and to mark WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY as historic). Could you please redact your inappropriate remarks. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra 13:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- Discussion results in deletion. The intent is to make content within wikipedia, mine or anybody else's vulnerable. I might not use the proper wiki-jargon all the time, however the point should be clear. When total annihilation of a block of content is being considered, the BEST word one can use is "attack." Nobody can possibly argue (though you do) that the handful of participants involved in these consensus' can possibly represent the wide variety of opinions of wikipedia editors. You are an extreme minority. And your individual "discussions" are buried by sheer volume, disenfranchising the vast majority of people even if they knew about them and were interested to comment. To ignore this fact of wikipedia life is the ultimate in stupidity. We are all not stupid people here. In theory, we are here to help people learn.
- Deletion alone is not a bad thing. I welcome corrections to content I have made. That is the way of life on wikipedia. And there are a host of idiots out there who will put up absolute junk, from vandals to POV pushers, from egotists to attack dogs. I spend a lot of my time reviewing edits to a couple thousand articles I watch. If you wish to call that taking ownership, well yes I try very hard to make sure what is posted for the public to see is accurate and responsibly presented. I know what I know, I research what is outside my knowledge, in fact, I research to source what I think I know. Research. I only had a cursory understanding of the contract players system until I researched it. By the sheer volume, much less the obvious failure to do the same simple research I did, I am accusing this editor of not being responsible for his edits. His path of destruction ranges across such a wide variety of topics he should get Slumdog Millionair-like accusations but exponentially because his work goes beyond just a few trivia questions. His work is obviously unresearched, hap-hazzard and in the cases of subjects I have researched, WRONG! The phrase I keep coming back to is the legal term of Due diligence. Slow down, research, evaluate your targets so the work you do has meaning and value. Trackinfo (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Trackinfo, firstly it was not clear which category you were referring to in the first part of your diatribe but it appears to be Category:American high school record holders. I came across this one and the all the others I subsequently put up for discussion when doing routine maintenance on pages listed at one of the many Misplaced Pages:Database reports. They were flagged because they were uncategorised categories.
I put Category:American high school record holders up for discussion because I considered it to be too broad per WP:CAT. Renaming may be an option but I made a judgement call for deletion. Lets see how the discussion pans out on this one.
As for Category:Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer contract players I put it up for deletion since it was not in a parent category and it only had two or three member articles. To me that was enough data to suggest that it was an orphan that was created without due consideration of the WP categorisation system. It has since been populated and categorised. This raises the the question that I often ask: should the burden of proof for retention of WP pages be place on the page creator? My answer to that is a resounding yes. There is too much vandalism and mischievous edits and good faith bad edits to waste time chasing up this sort of stuff.
Finally, you are one of a very small number of editors who vociferously questions my editing. That would be fine if there was a basis for it but given the outcomes of the resulting discussions it seems that I have the consensus of the community on my side. I am not saying that I am always "right" but I don't like being attacked if there is no basis for it. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Hammersoft, thanks again for your input. You say that a "person does not need to be thoroughly knowledgeable of a subject in order to make additions, deletions ...". I may be misreading this or taking it out of context but when working on content I make sure that I am thoroughly versed in the topic. I want WP to be accurate so adding misinformation or omitting important information is anathema to me. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- My point was (as an example) you do not need to be an expert in high school sports to take actions with respect to Category:American high school record holders. People who attempt to keep others from editing a given section of the project because they know about it and others know less are anathema to the project. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Suggestion
Alan, given the inaccurate representations above, I recommend you begin keeping track of prods, speedies, and XfDs that you make. I strongly suspect you are going to come under concerted efforts to have sanctions placed on you. The best antidote is proof. --Hammersoft (talk) 12:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice and the vote of confidence but are you sure that they are inaccurate representations? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:07, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm referring, for example, the supposed prod failure rate. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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- I normally do but I did a batch of categories from Misplaced Pages:Database reports/Empty categories that were easier to do with WP:AWB and informing the page creators was not easily done. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:14, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Removing mainspace cats from non-mainspace pages
Wouldn't it be better if you "neutralised" the cats by adding a ":" before "Category", instead of simply removing them? Something like this, this or this is not the best method of improving the article for creation or sandbox versions while at the same time removing the non-article from the mainspace category (which in itself is good). Fram (talk) 07:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Why? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Because it's harmless to have the categories which are intended to be used there if they have the colon before them. Deleting them entirely is harmful because people have put work into determining which categories these sandbox articles should be in when they are moved to the mainspace. Your edits in this nature are unhelpful. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- You (Alan) might have a point in user pages, but AfC pages are supposed to have the categories indicated, so you should not remove them. It's always better to neutralize (]) or quote (<nowiki>]</nowiki>) rather than to remove categories from non-mainspace pages which may be moved to mainspace. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Because it's harmless to have the categories which are intended to be used there if they have the colon before them. Deleting them entirely is harmful because people have put work into determining which categories these sandbox articles should be in when they are moved to the mainspace. Your edits in this nature are unhelpful. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- All I can say is: cost benefit analysis. Wikitime is precious so I don't waste it. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, you do waste it. Perhaps not yours, but the wikitime of other people. Reactivating categories is much easier and faster than having to go through the history to find a version pre your edits and get the cats from there. Fram (talk) 08:18, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Take it to WP:ANI and then you can waste a lot more time... -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- It would be reasonable to say that it's your duty as a WikiGnome to restore those categories as quoted. If you remove a category one more time on an AfC page or draft page in userspace, I will block you, since you know it's wrong. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Then, I'd take it to ANI. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:36, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- It seems he doesn't really agree with this: Fram (talk) 08:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Take it to WP:ANI and then you can waste a lot more time... -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't understand why you think your time is more precious than the time of editors who have carefully considered which categories they may wish to use before moving articles into the mainspace. You are undoing their work when you could just add a colon. Is it because it slows down your mass semi-automated edit rate and reduces the speed with which you rack up edits? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Alan, just add the colons. Doing so is a courtesy, and you should do it once you've been asked to by multiple editors (if nothing else do it as a sign of good faith that you want to have good relations with other users on WP—due to repeated events in the past months, I think you probably are on relatively thin ice behaviour-wise...). If you don't want to do this, then just don't work on removing these categories. Good Ol’factory 09:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The ANI discussion about the block can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Alan Liefting again. Fram (talk) 10:01, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- I should clarify that, whether or not I'm logged in, I have absolutely no objection to an unblock if Alan agrees not to do this again and to fix any previous edits that he's done, or if a frequently running bot is written to fix these edits properly, and create a log file when it can't. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:02, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- FWIW, I've done my best to fix all the erroneous edits that Alan has made in the above cases in the past few days. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- "All" amounting to 12. Regardless, thank you for the effort. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, that was all I could find in the past 1000 or so edits Alan has made in the last couple of days with AWB and HotCat. Of course, there may be other instances, but as Alan himself asserts, time on Misplaced Pages is precious and really he should clear up his own mistakes, not deliberately go on making them after being asked to stop. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- You will note, of course, that I made no comment on Alan's actions. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Why would I need to note that? I suggest we both get on with improving Misplaced Pages now, rather than this. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- FWIW, I've done my best to fix all the erroneous edits that Alan has made in the above cases in the past few days. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Request reason:
While the editing that I did prior to being blocked (which was also the reason for the block) appeared to be disruptive, petty and provocative, I did them to highlight the fact blocking as punitive action is completely inappropriate to deal with the matter in hand. It is a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a sunflower seed, to rephrase the saying. Also, I carried out the edits to highlight the fact that there is a small group of editors who hound me while I attempt to improve Misplaced Pages. Arthur Rubin and I do not see eye to eye, and to me it seem that he blocked me based on a knee jerk emotive reaction rather than rationality. It seems that "bad blood" clouds the judgement of some of the editors who turn up on my talk page with monotonous regularity.
Or have I got it all wrong? That, of course, is for the wider community to decide.
We, as editors, should leave the human frailty of negative emotive responses for the real world rather than bringing them into the wikiworld.
BTW I did not realise that I could edit my talk page while blocked! -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
No point lifting a block that will expire soon anyway. Furthermore, I don't see this block as punitive, rather it appears you were blocked to prevent deliberate disruption to which you admitted — which, due to the unrepentant nature of your request, suggests that an extension of this block may be necessary to prevent further disruption. That's really up to you. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- I have a dilemma. I want to fix Misplaced Pages but cannot do so if blocked. When, and if, I am unblocked I have every intention of doing the very things for which I was blocked in order to improve Misplaced Pages. So I will probably get blocked again. It is ridiculous! I can see why editors are leaving. I can see why the backlog is not going away. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 01:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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- So you deliberately disrupted Misplaced Pages to make a point, is that what you're saying? You were happy to ignore all the advice and pleas for you to stop your mass semi-automated edits to prove a point? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Wait, hold on a second. You went off and did a small spree of disruptive editing, and then didn't stop when asked...to make a point about how blocking you was the wrong call? Whether or not Arthur Rubin was the right person to block you today, and I haven't really looked into whether that was problematic or not, might I suggest that an unblock request saying "Yeah, I totally disrupted the encyclopedia and made more work for people, because I wanted to make a point!" isn't likely to get all that much traction? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Something here reminds me of Monty Python's Life of Brian. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Something here reminds me of "wasting a lot of people's time". Please try to be precise and succinct in your responses, not politically evasive and nebulous. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Precise? Perhaps like describing 12 edits over 2.5 days of editing as being "mass semi-automated edits"? --Hammersoft (talk) 21:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, have you seen the last 5,000 edits of Alan's? I wasn't just referring to the errors he's made. Clearly you feel happy that he's admitted to deliberately disrupting Misplaced Pages to prove a point? Like he did a month or so ago. I like the way you pop in to offer your support though, very honourable. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ah now we're getting somewhere. So, it's not just the colon thing that angers you about him, it's his editing in general then? --Hammersoft (talk) 21:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, now I suggest you pop over to AN/I where, yet again, Alan's disruptive behaviour is being discussed and where you can once again defend him being disruptive to prove a point. I'm not angry at all. Disappointed that I have to trawl through thousand of semi-automated edits to undo the damage he's doing, yes, disappointed that some so-called experienced editors think that what Alan is trying to do is appropriate, yes. Disappointed that editors would advocate vandalism by Alan as being appropriate behaviour, yes. Disappointed that when multiple editors ask Alan to stop, reconsider what he does, he turns out the political answers, just blankly refuses to co-operate, yes. I think disappointed sums it up. Hammersoft, your defence of his disruption is odd, but curiously admirable, like a faithful hound, and I like that. I don't understand it, but I still like it. Off to WP:AN/I I suggest! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- In the thread regarding the placeholder images, no consensus was found that he did anything wrong. In fact, rather the opposite. I don't see how holding that thread against him is appropriate. If you don't like trawling through thousands of edits, then I recommend not trawling through thousands of edits. Nobody is forcing you to do it. The project isn't going to come crashing down because you didn't reverse 12 edits of his. The reality is there are more than 3000 non-admins who have permission to use AWB. Alan has permission to use it. If you don't like that, start an RfC to gain consensus to have his AWB privileges removed. As to "blankly refuses to cooperate"; in the thread I mentioned above regarding the place holder images, he did cooperate very nicely indeed. In fact, he instantly stopped doing the work the moment he was aware the thread had begun. I don't claim his continuance in this particular case was the right thing to do (it wasn't), but it's not as if there were thousands of edits to undo. Further, please do not ascribe to me some notion that I am defending his actions in this particular case. I am not. In fact, I'm not interested in defending Alan at all, as I've expressed to him before. I find attempts to demonize him to be highly disruptive. A lot of hyperbolic statements (12 edits as "mass semi-automated edits") and falsehoods (Alan supposedly being unresponsive in the place holder image queries) are being leveled at Alan, and I find that highly objectionable. I don't find Alan's actions in this case to be proper. But, it's an infinitesimally small road bump. Of course, now it appears its going to be blown up into epic proportions. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- @Alan; Very apropos! "Misplaced Pages's a piece of shit, when you look at it! Always look on the bright side of life!" :) By the way, I'd just retract the unblock request if I were you. There's only 12 hours left. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Giday again Alan,
I didn't notice the nice picture on your page before, with the message of reflection beneath it. It reminded me of another talkpage I came across with this picture on it, and links to some quiz. Both make me reflect on what writing means to me, I was thinking about it a lot lately. How sweet it is to simply write. Although for me, at the moment, I'm into pictures, movies, animations, all that visual stuff. I just worked out how to set about mastering 3D modelling, which I know nothing about, but if you ask me in another 12 months I should have come as far as I have with images in as much time. I want to draw the Chinese space station but this time in 3D motion picture, true to life, make readers confused thinking that it is real and in orbit until they read the text and see it's cinematic :) lolz. Mislead the reader. Yeah, like a great movie. I love that. It seems lately I have had no time at all to do what I love to do, to simply tell stories, to entrance the reader and myself in the telling, I enjoy taking time out to learn this 3D software so I can do something cool. There are a million other things to do, and real life is creeping upon me with it's demands pressing in more and more, I have to learn more code, new tasks for my bot, so much to do. So little time. I just thought to comment and say, hey, I like that picture, and the spirit it evokes. Strange place to find it though, like, on what is meant to be a place people could actually write something. shrug. Penyulap ☏ 23:55, 29 Jun 2012 (UTC)