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Δεν συμφωνώ έτσι κι αλλιώς με τις πολιτικές σας απόψεις, αλλά το να γεμίζεται σελίδες σχετικά με την επανάσταση και τον εμφύλιο πόλεμο με κομμουνιστική προπαγάνδα απλά δεν είναι σωστό. Ευχαρίστως θα το γύριζα όλο πίσω αν δεν με μισούσαν τόσο πολύ όλοι οι admin. Κατά τ'άλλα, προσέχετε τι γράφετε και ας παραμείνει η Misplaced Pages ουδέτερη, ε; Yannis A. 15:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources

Hello! Nice to see new Greek editors around with a good grasp of English and making referenced edits. One plea however: please add page numbers to your references for ease of verification. Citing entire books for a sentence or a paragraph isn't really helpful ;) Cheers, and keep it up! Constantine ✍ 06:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Ancient Greek etymologies

Hey, Ancient Greek words in the Devil and Pankration articles are mentioned because they are etymologies of the English words. We call them Ancient Greek because English borrowed the words from Ancient Greek, not from Modern. It is true that the words are the same in Modern Greek, but we are offering an etymology, not a translation. Since the etymological ancestors of devil and pankration were ultimately Ancient Greek, we must call them Ancient Greek. — Eru·tuon 04:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

John the Apostle

Is Ἰωάννης not ancient Greek? Tiderolls 16:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Koine seems ancient to me. How is it no so? Tiderolls 16:39, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. After lunch I'll be posting on the article talk page. You might want to stop by. Tiderolls 16:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Tiderolls 01:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

IP account

Hello, AngBent. Is that you? If so, please edit only under your named account per WP:SOCK. Thank you for your contributions. Biophys (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Advice

Hi there, I have noticed you have run into some difficulties. In general, if you encounter resistance to your edits, it is best to open a discussion thread on the talkpage. Also, if you are trying to remove unsourced text and it is reverted, it is usually a good idea to add a tag to the unsourced material. If the editors that reverted you do not provide citations, then you can remove it again with a much more solid footing. Also, when adding material, especially anything remotely controversial, make sure you provide citations for it. Lastly, do not exceed 3RR, under any circumstances. Even then, it is best to avoid reaching the 3RR limit frequently, because that can still be construed as edit-warring. Athenean (talk) 21:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Personal attacks

I am not involved in your dispute, but things like this are not okay. Please comment on the content and not the contributor. If you continue making personal attacks you will be blocked.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

The same goes for the other side of this dispute, but your attacks are inexcusable. I'm not going to get involved so please ask questions to someone else.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Macedonian Struggle with this edit. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln) (talk) 15:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Edits to Macedonian Struggle

Use caution when making large-scale edits that remove properly cited and sourced material. Also, your edit summary could be seen by some as a legal threat. If there are concerns regarding the content or tone of an article, discuss those concerns on the article's Discussion page, or seek dispute resolution. Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln) (talk) 15:40, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Also,

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Macedonian Struggle and Aromanians. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Please reply here and not on my talk page to keep discussion centralized. Please see the second point - do not edit war even if you believe you are right. There is no exemption based on whether you have sources or not.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Jasper, I have talked with Alan the Roving Ambassador about my edits, and I think we have clarified the issue. I have already written much on the article's talk page, and I have thought of seeking dispute resolution, since my edits are constantly reverted. I have provided detailed references with page numbers and excerpts. I don't want to involve you in this issue and waste your time, but my contributions were made to present an accurate view of what the Macedonian Struggle was about. AngBent (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC)AngBent

This is the problem. I won't take a side on this, but calling people "censors" is something that won't get this resolved any quicker, per WP:Civility. I will respect Alan's judgement on this. If your edits are constantly reverted, please do not re-revert, that's edit-warring. I've requested protection of the pages involved so that no-one will be reverting. The best way to stop an edit war is to not feed it. If you provide detailed references, and you're still reverted, please discuss, and civilly too. The best way to ignore people calling you a POV-pusher and other things is to not fire back.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I like your position, and your request for the protection of the pages involved. I believe it is necessary, especially when we are dealing with sensitive political, ethnic and religious issues. AngBent (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)AngBent

I don't have a whole lot of time now, but will take a look into it eventually. Athenean (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Macedonian Struggle

I've looked into the situation like I said I would, and here's what I think. While I sympathize (I have ties to the region myself), there are a number of problems. Most importantly, I don't think removing the background section is going to work. If you are bothered by the amount of space devoted to IMRO, the best thing to do is to add to the section so as to make the amount of space devoted to IMRO proportionately smaller. Wholesale removal of the section is not going to work. Neither is "anti-Greek thugs" going to work. I don't think the Bulgarian users would agree to it, any more than I would agree to "anti-Bulgarian thugs". Similarly, "an organization composed of poor Slavic peasants that also included terrorists". If you remove that bit, the remainder of your addition has a greater chance of being kept. It makes perfect sense that the Greeks were not interested in autonomy but in enosis, I don't think anyone would object to that. As far as the changes to the lead "aimed at protecting the Greek population and strengthening Greek presence in the region, to prepare it for eventual union with Greece.", it might help if you phrased it a little differently, i.e. "from the Greek point of view....". I know this might be hard to accept, but I am speaking with four years editing experience and this is the feeling I have. Like it or not, we have to reach some sort of understanding with the Bulgarian users, just like they have to reach an understanding with the Greek users. I'm not going to go away, but neither are they. And believe me, in my experience they are far better than many others around here. Athenean (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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December 2011

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Alternate place names

Would you please stop removing alternate names of settlements and other geographic features just because you dislike them? This violates Misplaced Pages policy on geographical names, which recommends including foreign language names in the lead if they are used by at least 10% of English sources or were used by a group of people which used to inhabit the place. Also most settlements which once had a substantial Greek population in neighboring countries (including Bulgaria) do have a Greek name. Why aren't you removing them? Kostja (talk) 08:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I can't find a single settlement which once had a substantial Greek population in neighboring countries (including Bulgaria) to have a Greek name in Misplaced Pages. But this isn't the point here... What is at issue is the obsession of certain users to impose their POV (and not in a particularly intelligent way, I have to note). If you want to add alternate names you should add not only the Bulgarian name, but all names used by all peoples that have inhabited the place, on a history sub-section, and explain the time period that these names were used. But you're not doing that, are you? Look for example what the Italian users write about the Greek Ionian Islands and Patras, which had significant Italian populations... AngBent (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You haven't been looking in the right places. See Melnik, Nesebar, Burgas, Sozopol and so on. Of course some of them have it in a separate section, but that's hardly necessary for most small settlements.

As for your thinking that certain users are obsesesive, that's irrelevant. These place have Bulgarian alternate names, because lots of Bulgarians used to live there once. That is sufficient according to Misplaced Pages policy. And since you have also been deleting historical sections, you argument is quite hypocritical. Kostja (talk) 08:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You didn't answer to my arguments. You simply continued to attack me in an ad hominem manner, which will not be tolerated. As I wrote previously, "If you want to add alternate names you should add not only the Bulgarian name, but all names used by all peoples that have inhabited the place, on a history sub-section, and explain the time period that these names were used. But you're not doing that, are you?" AngBent (talk) 23:19, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not up to you to determine Misplaced Pages policy, which has been clearly described above. Inclusion of alternate names is permitted and encouraged. Incidentally, you're removing historical and referenced information, so please think of a better argument. Kostja (talk) 07:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

What's really incredible is that Kostja recently removed the former Turkish name of Svilengrad from the lead, presumably because it's already mentioned in the History section immediately below that. But in Ellinochori, he has reverted I-don't-know-how-many times to keep the Bulgarian name in the lede, even though that name is mentioned in the History section immediately below. Unbelievable. Athenean (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The same history section that AngBent has removed multiple times (despite it being referenced)? Kostja (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Is that a cn tag I see there? Athenean (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

And since he also removed the part which was referenced, how does that matter? Kostja (talk) 18:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't referenced when you first started edit-warring, and the only thing worse than edit-warring is edit-warring to re-insert material with a cn tag in it. Athenean (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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July 2012

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