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Misunderstanding edit warring

Hahc, in the conversation on User talk: Status, a couple of things came out:

1. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of WP:EW and what is an exemption from edit warring. This comment illustrates that pretty well. Your statement is absolutely false. Reverting an unsourced addition is only an exception if it introduces a severe issue and "the risk of harm is such that removal is required." The genre of a pop music single is miles away from such an interpretation. Yes, reliable sources are important - very important. They're the foundation of WP:V. But the lack of them doesn't give anyone carte blanche to edit war without consequence. If you need specific policy, take a look at WP:NOT3RR. The only scenario where this is the case is "removal of libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material that violates the policy on biographies of living persons."
2. This comment reiterates your misinterpretation of of EW exemptions and introduces a new dimension: You don't seem to understand that the genre of a pop music single is in almost all cases not a WP:BLP issue. Now, if was being changed to Neo-Nazism, then sure, that probably should be considered a BLP issue, but between Pop music and Contemporary R&B - sorry, in no way is that libelous, biased, or contentious enough for it to remotely considered a BLP issue.
3. The problem with not understanding BLP exemptions to EW continues with this comment. Yes, without a source, "you can name a folk song as to belong to the reggae genre" but the risk of harm is nowhere near such that removal is required and as I've tried to explain above, is not exempt from edit warring.
4. What's more concerning is that you "think you know our policies from head to toe." As I've pointed out above, it's clear that you don't and I'm hoping that you're taking this in the constructive manner I'm presenting it.

Do you understand why your comments above are incorrect? Toddst1 (talk) 20:02, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, I really appretiate your comments. I love constructive comments and the fact that you took time to write this is valuable to me. That said, i have to say:

1. 1, My comment "i know our policies from head to toe." is completely influenced. I was excited and wrote that without thinking. After that,
2. 2: I understand both BLP and EW, Toddst1, that's not the issue. I know i used some parts of those to cover a rationale of mine. I now see I was wrong when I did that, since BLP and EW doesn't offer a solution to this.
3. 3: Your block on Status is properly supported. I reached this conclusion today when i was off from WP. How? First, EW says that reverting the same content from the same page more than once is edit warring. Also, 3RR says that even if you son't breach the rule, you can get yourself blocked. Also, the rationale provided by Kww when unblocking Status is the third valid ground to block Status. Why? Such unblock rationale was extremely poor and provided you and Kww with an open game to block Status at the first revert he made, even if it was against vandalism (just to expand on the scope). Taking "I will always provide a source or relevant policy when reverting a second or greater time." was a double-edged sword that finally cut Status himself, and then led you to block him. So, by the book, your block is perfectly covered.
4. 4: What was wrong? First, if we make a closer study at BLP (wich i've done 100 times, and did it again today) it actually doesn't specify what is and what isn't subject to removal under that policy (in detail). So, removing a genre could be easily covered or not by that policy. Per common sense, it is not, since a genre cannot be considered libelous, etc. But common sense cannot guide our actions. I'll be proposing that policy it to be rewritten with more specific rationales, just as you did on Blocking policy.
5. 5: Head to toe? Right, it's clear that I don't. But i invite you to see my contribs. I've never been blocked, never been accused of edit warring with 10,000 edits on hand. Never violated BLP, never commited vandalism nor 3RR. Why? because i have a great knowledge about them and I know them very well and what it covers and what i doesn't. I give you the reason I made some incorrect comments, and thank you for writing them here, as it finally gave me the answer to all this tricky situation.
6. 6: Rollback. I know this is not my concern, but i have to say this. Actions are the only measure within you can revoked rights. You did it with Status. Ok. But why Home? You can't remove his rights without showing some diffs that supports your rationale that "he doesn't understands X and Y guidelines". If such diffs exist for Home, please excuse me and provide them here so I can't evaluate them myself.
7. 7 Neutrality. As you may have noted, i'm a very neutral user. I always look all within a neutral scope and support the one who is right. Now, i saw you were right when blocking Status again, but at the same time i found the real issue: The rationale. With a more explicit rationale. None of this would've happened.

Again. Thanks for your comments. If I have another wrong point in what i just wrote here, please feel free to point it. I love constructive comments, since they make me a better wikipedian. Cheers! —Hahc21 01:35, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It's clear you're a seasoned editor and one with a fairly level head. You certainly demonstrated that in my first interchange with you above and is why I was inclined to give you more than the benefit of the doubt with respect to your IP.

Regarding head-to-toe, IMHO, no matter how much you know, some policy, guideline or interpretation will change and there's no way to know everything. I find myself in this frequently and limit myself to areas I feel I am current on.

Yeah. You're right with this one. I dunno why i said that haha. Maybe Home gave me some kind of energy (he always does, he's such a energious user) that led myself to write that. —Hahc21 02:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

For #3, thank you for saying that. If you could mention that on Status' page and/or ANI, it would do a lot to restore peace on the wiki, but if you don't want to, I understand.

Mmmm. My neutrality asks me to do it. Gimme some time to debate with myself. —Hahc21 02:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Home, the diffs are in my note to him. I'm glad to discuss them, but I thought I explained them in-line with my rationale in removing the priv.

I'll check them. —Hahc21 02:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Let me know if I can be of assistance in the future. Toddst1 (talk) 01:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Stay in touch. —Hahc21 02:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for participating in my RFA! I appreciate your support. Zagalejo^^^ 06:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for New Day (Alicia Keys song)

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Ricardo Arjona discography FLC

Yeah, I re-looked it over and gave it a support. Great work on the article, and congrats!
—Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 05:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

RFA

First of all, they are now giving out reviewer rights at WP: PERM. Second of all, I would love to see you having your RFA in a month. Many people have Admins nominate them. Although about 25 do it, they are usually done by IronHolds, The Blade of Northern Lights, or Pedro. Also, what are your thoughts on SwisterTwister's RFA from your standpoint as a content creator? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh. I missed that RfA. This may be a good example of how substantial edits are needed to reach admin status. Also, i think that the number of user rights you have gives the users a glimpes of thr trust the community might lay into you. Of course, past disputes, how you resolute them, how you interact with other users and so on, is very important. Back to the article creation, some of the oppose rationale are cleary well-funded: How would you differentiate vandalism from a GF newbie edit? I'm sure you can cuz you've invested a hard work on it, bue them comes the second rationale: Content creation shows your knowledge of all polices of WP. When you edit, you learn who things are supposed to be written, which may and may not be referenced and how to do that, and so on. :) What surprises me is Twister has 18,000 edits. If the contet creation appeared on his RFA at that point, it is very alarming. —Hahc21 15:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha well no i didn't missed it. I saw the questions when it was opened but forgot to whatch the supps and opps. Cheers! —Hahc21 15:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

You're right and that's why I'm waiting for January. Also, he messed up by Question 3. Admins take a lot of harassment and you have to be able to deal with it well. If he's a vandal-fighter, he should have had some sort of dispute. I've had my talk page vandalized 13 times, had an attack page written about me, which was created by an imitation account (Electriccatfish3), and have been legally threatened. Also, you get asked by newbies every time you decline their AFC submission why you declined it, even though you already explained your rationale. Even before I did anti-vandalism work here, I still got in a few disputes about airlines and airports. In the end, Misplaced Pages isn't about winning, so I really don't care if my content makes it into the current version or not. I'm here to build Misplaced Pages, not to have it my way. And yes, I'm surprised that a vandal-fighter like him couldn't determine whether it was a good-faith edit or vandalism. Most newbies make test edits. This usually involves writing "Hi" on the page. They think that it is cool to be able to edit here. We've all been in that position before, so I just put a self-revert notice requesting them to revert it themselves. There's no need to give a level 4im warning for test edits, like I have seen some people doing. I once saw this edit on Electric catfish. It wasn't even a test edit. I would've done a good faith reversion and not have left a warning at all. He probably thought that it was spelled differently. That was not vandalism, at all. Also, we'd love to have you as an instructor at the CVUA, if you're interested. Please join! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, I removed the warning, as you can see in the page's edit history and I replaced it with a welcome template. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Mmmm. Do you really believe I could be an instructor? Haha If you do believe that, then i accept working on CVUA as such. Cheers! —Hahc21 20:58, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course! We'd love to have you! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Good. Where do I sign? haha How it works? U have to give me the tour haha XD —Hahc21 21:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

At Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy/Status. I have filled in your username. Please fill in the other information listed at the top of the page. Thank you, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC).

 Done —Hahc21 21:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:53, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Charts

Hey! Can you tell me if Hummingbird Heartbeat by Katy Perry has charted ANYWHERE? There's so much info on this song that I've been dying to make a page for it, I just need to know if its charted, and you are the chart expert lol--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 00:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Lemme see what I find. Cheers! —Hahc21 00:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you ! :)--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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re: Made in America GA

Mentoring : Talk:Syd Barrett/GA1

Hi. Could you check over the GA review I've just done for Syd Barrett if you have time? It's the first GA review I've done, and while I'm tempted to go with "On hold" as a final answer, I'd prefer a mentor's opinion first. --Ritchie333 (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Good, but i see some issues: Some of the sections has one-line phrases. Those should be merged into a bigger paragraph. Also, the Harvard references are uncomplete. If i'll use "Schaffner, p. 110", i have to add an additional section named Bibliography (or similar) and add the complete information about that book or work.

Also, this: "Schizophrenia Daily News Blog. "Syd Barrett, Founder of Pink Floyd band, Sufferer of Schizophrenia, Passed Away this Week." 12 July 2006 " is not GA standard. The link must be written with a piped link to the article/news/publication title and then the name of the spource, as this: "Syd Barrett, Founder of Pink Floyd band, Sufferer of Schizophrenia, Passed Away this Week.". Schizophrenia Daily News Blog. July 2006. Also, I see some unreferenced statements on some sections, which are not meeting the guidelines 2(a) and 2(b). You're doing good, but need to be more thorough on those details. If you need something else, ask me and i'll give you a hand. —Hahc21 01:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that. As I said, first time I've done this, and I really was confused as to what level you needed to check down to for GA versus FA. Rather annoyingly, I can't find my copy of Schaffner to check anything cited in it, though I do have Nick Mason and Glenn Povey's books to hand. Do we generally trust a cited book reference with a page number to be correct? I'll go through and cross check all facts over the weekend and report up on what else I can find. The nominator is busy working through the list of issues I have already found, so there's time to do this. --Ritchie333 (talk) 07:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Good. Well, per some guidelines out there, all offline references are always trusted, if correctly formatted. The GA process is very low compared to FA. FA shows the very best of Misplaced Pages, the GA shows the good from the 'pedia. So, what does 'the good' mean? That the article is complete, correctly sourced with inline citations supporting all statements, it os correctly formated per the guide to layout, has no original research, has no copyright infringements, and is stable in its content (no edit warring or vandalism). If an article meets all those, then it can be cataloged as a Good Article. —Hahc21 19:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

My first article Takis K. Evangelides - change of status???

Dear Mr HIdalgo

Thank you for reviewing my first article http://en.wikipedia.org/Takis_K._Evangelides. I have added whatever references I can find, and I hope you can change the status not to be deleted, or advise on what else it needs. I know you are busy so this is not urgent but important in the longterm.

Best regards

Florentia Buckingham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyprusfacts (talk • contribs) 20:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it and thanks for your advise. —Hahc21 00:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I changed the tag to BLP sources. Now, it wont get deleted. This will serve as a notice for all editors to improve the referencing on the article. If you need something, Just ask me. By the way, I recommend you to use inline citations, so the reader might know which source supports what. If you need help on this, you can ask me either. Glad to help. Cheers! —Hahc21 01:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Content Creation

Hi! I am making another umpire stub on Sunday and I would like to write 1 or 2 articles that are missing about police departments that I will start out as stubs, but can expand greatly. Regards, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2012 (UTC).

Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Backlog_elimination_drive_query

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Answered. If you have any other question, just ask me. Regards. —Hahc21 00:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 5to Piso

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Poquita Ropa

Hi, Hahc21, I'm beginning the copy-edit to the above article that you requested at the GOCE request page. Feel free to contact me, or to correct or revert my edits if I'm doing something I shouldn't. Sorry you've had to wait a while for the copy-edit. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh thanks! Kind of late since it's now a GA but i'm sure it may need the c/e yet haha XD. Cheers! —Hahc21 01:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll stay in touch. Cheers! —Hahc21 01:20, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries; yes the list is a little slow - that's something we're working on right now. In the first paragraph of 'Lyrical content', you have "Although many believe is a treshed topic ..." What is 'treshed'? It's not an English word afaik, so it's probably a translation error. I'd guess 'trashed', but that doesn't fit the sentence. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 02:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a translation. Checked. The right word is threshed. Misspelling. Whistles. Cheers! —Hahc21 03:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll correct it. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I already did it hahaha XD. Cheers! —Hahc21 03:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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Reviews

Hey. I see you've had three episode articles tagged for your review for a week plus, but none have been started. Will you be doing them soon? Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 15:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Yup. I was very busy in college but now i'm totally available. I'll be reviewing them today. Cheers! —Hahc21 16:10, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Blow Me (One Last Kiss)

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About your RFA

Sorry I felt compelled to oppose this. I think you will make a great admin with some more experience. If this doesn't pass (or you withdraw it), let's chat in a few months and if you continue in the direction you're headed, I'll be glad to nominate you down the road. Toddst1 (talk) 23:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Aw. Thanks. I understand your rationales. I'm enjoying this RfA because it gives me an editor review of how i'm doing here. I don't believe it may end as sucessful, but who knows. I appretiate your proposal and i gladly accept. Also, i would like to keep constant communications with you, since i think you can help me to learn more about the pedia and its policies, and your experience will be a great asset for me. —Hahc21 00:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

RfA

Hi! I am so happy you went for RfA and have supported you. Don't worry about Splish Splash. Crats will see that he is upset at you for some reason and his oppose won't really matter in the long run. Also, nobody will agreee with him. Don't worry, as very few admins have a perfect RfA. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 01:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! That comment made me very sad. But i think it's normal, didn't it?. Anyway, thanks! I'm waiting for your RfA at January, although maybe i will make my second RfA at that time too... (humor mode on). —Hahc21 01:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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