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	== New topics below, please... ==

	== Origins of Malay/Malayu... ==

	I would lie to propose the origins of Malayu dating back to 7th century Sriviyaya kindom and there ruling class which hailed from the Malayali region of Southwest India. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Double checking U2 quote ==

	I'm working on '']'' and in the course of reading an archived version of the ''Rolling Stone'' article , I was unable to find a quote that the ] and ''The Joshua Tree'' articles have long had attributed to this article. The quote in question is the following:

	"The wild beauty, cultural richness, spiritual vacancy and ferocious violence of America are explored to compelling effect in virtually every aspect of The Joshua Tree—in the title and the cover art, the blues and country borrowings evident in the music ... Indeed, Bono says that 'dismantling the mythology of America' is an important part of The Joshua Tree's artistic objective."

	If you have archives to look through, can you double-check if this quote indeed comes from this article? Is it possible it came from another DeCurtis article in March titled "U2 releases The Joshua Tree"? ] (] • ]) 22:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
	:I couldn't find any recent topics in your archive, so I'm just repasting this onto your talk page. You had said you were going to update the reference. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see a change on the ] or ] articles. Perhaps the recent hasty discussions on the U2 article led to it getting reverted? ] (] • ]) 17:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
	::Sorry to drag this up again, but could you see to updating the citation for this quote? ] (] • ]) 14:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::What's wrong with the reference?
	::::''DeCurtis, Anthony (1987-05-07). "Truths and Consequences". Rolling Stone (499).''
	:::--] (]) 11:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
	::I didn't see the quote in the archived version of the article I found online. Neither you nor I have the original article in our possession. It only makes sense that the quote be referenced from where you found it. ] (] • ]) 14:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

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	==chalk and cheese==
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(icons) and http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Football_in_Indonesia as if they belong to two different universes :( - hmmmm ]] 01:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
	:My only response to the football crap is to remember the ]. (and to take some solace in the persepective provided by page view statistics) --] (]) 01:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
	::Every time i see another pile of unrelenting icons and red links and lists piled into wp en from wp id with no hesitation or compunction whatsoever it makes me feel that the well known (probably misquote) from the second world war ''whenever I hear the word culture I reach for my gun....'' could be transposed :( ]] 08:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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	== ] ==

	Hi Merbabu! Why did you change my last edit at ]? Greetings, --] (]) 20:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Did you click on the link you provided? It went no where. --] (]) 21:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
	::Oh sorry, I used the template not correct. ;-) --] (]) 16:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

	==East Timor==
	Surely you have more important things to be getting on with expanding the poor stubs on Timorese districts than reverting photographs and flags.♦ ] 14:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Reverting/ignoring problems doesn't make them go away. --] (]) 14:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
	Regarding undo of Timor Leste-->Back to East Timor. Figured as much. Only recently read the East Timor discussion. A bit flabbergasted on why the decision is to keep East Timor and seriously questioning the wisdom behind it. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, since it still implies that Timor Leste doesn't exist and still the 27th province of Indonesia :p. Feel sorry about the chaps in Timor Leste though. First we (Indonesians) burn their land to a crisp then wikipedia obviously refuses to identify their official state country name (e.g. My name is Amir now, I changed it legally. Misplaced Pages: No, Amir isn't an English name. You're still Bob :p). Unfortunately, there isn't an English name for Timor Leste and East Timor isn't it (source: Timor Leste official translated English constitution), or else we would be using that instead. Scholars would probably roll their eyes over this, but no biggie. Thanks. (] (]) 13:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)) (oops, forgot to sign). <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	== Trying to promote the WikiPedia 10th birthday in Perth and getting ''its all too much'' messages at the same time - is too much ==
	Im afraid i prefer emails on that stuff :( ]] 01:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

	==Merge discussion for ]==
	] An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been proposed for a ] with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going {{ #if: Republic of South Maluku \|]\|to the article and clicking on the (Discuss) link at the top of the article}}, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ] (]) 07:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC) <!-- Template:mergenote -->

	==Classic==
	http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hotel_Chelsea&action=historysubmit&diff=402999889&oldid=402614974
	and http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/DavidYork71 - huh? ]] 08:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
	::At least http://en.wikipedia.org/Administrative_divisions_of_Indonesia now has some lead para refs :( ]] 09:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
	::been un ref'ed for ages http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ambon,_Maluku&action=edit&section=2 - go for it ]] 11:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

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	== Hmm==
	The usual suspects with no interest in sharing the discussion with others from the sub noms http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_28#Sub-nomination_7:_Asian_cities_and_towns - ]] 12:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
	::the elusively elaborate and labyrinthian plot can be seen in parts only:-
	* http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_5#More_settlements
	* http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Categorising_human_settlements - interesting to see how few were involved
	* http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_17#Category:Settlements

	hmmm - one good thing about wiki - they cannot hide their actions - its all there ]] 13:08, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

	== Cunning as ==

	Hi! Kimpatriciabax is making a lot of trivial edits to work around the semi-protection of ] . Regards, ] (]) 12:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

	== Fair enough. ==

	If you want to revert it, that's your prerogative. I'm only editing it in passing; I saw the topic on AN/I and reverted it based on that. I have no actual interest at all; I won't mind one bit if you revert my edits. In fact, I'll do it myself. ]] 23:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
	:No, if at least one user (other than the blocked one, obviously, and in good standing) thinks it should stay, that's good enough for me. ]] 23:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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	== You're a cabal ==

	Hi Merbabu, If you haven't seen it, I'm afraid that you're the focus of a post at http://womenforschapelle.blogspot.com/ Apparently you're several political staffers... At least the post is sufficient to justify a permanent ban on this person from editing. ] (]) 07:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

	:I've just responded to your email. ] (]) 09:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

	::Hey Merb, you're a legend! I feel for you at this time. You do a great job at Misplaced Pages and all your "colleagues" are behind you. Don't let this sad pathetic cow get under your skin. Cheers, mate! Regards, ] (]) 10:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::lol - thanks all. A one man cabal? --] (]) 10:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

	A hero in our time :) ]] 12:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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	==You Dont Like==
	Java - what about ''History of Java'' then? :) (Van Mook's line) it was just Java anyways ]] 23:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	:It's an interesting one. Is it History of Indonesia or History of Java? History of South East Asia? What's the split? Or is it all? --] (]) 23:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	::History of Indonesia really :) ]] 23:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::on another issue, you'll notice from the history page of ] that translating from ID wikipedia is still rife. sigh. vigilance still required. --] (]) 23:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	::::if you include the soccer issue - eternal :( ]] 23:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::::With ] I filled it up with dated cn tags. But with uncited material from now on, I'm just going to rip it out. Encouraging you to do the same. :-) --] (]) 23:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Maybe some time later - I have to get ready for the big day - and then ready to find some more earthly thingoes for tommorrow - sort of a wiki break with an excuse or two :) ]] 23:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

	== Re: NSONGS and "Slug" ==

	The funny thing about NSONG is that it doesn't even say that songs with awards, covers, etc. are notable; just that they are ''probably'' notable. My reading on it is based on this part: "''Notability aside, a separate article on a song is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.''" This has always been my argument for having "Slug" as a separate article, and a merge discussion at ] midway last year affirmed that. I certainly feel that there is enough verifiable material that has led to a "reasonably" detailed article. Either way, I think we can . ] <small>(], ])</small> 23:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
	: might be one of the changes (though granted it was talking about unreleased material); the edit summary said "clarify", but I think that the meaning of the sentence was changed pretty dramatically. Will look to see if there are other changes, but it's a bit slow going.
	:Also, the very first sentence says "''All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.''" From my reading of that, so long as the article meets ] it should be fine; NSONG is more of an addition that provides specific examples of how notability can be determined for music, but those examples aren't necessarily all encompassing. ] <small>(], ])</small> 05:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
	::If it comes down to a fight over interpreting the NSONGS then I'd argue ] - ie, ignore rules that don't help the encyclopedia. There is no way deleting this article (and others in the same boat) is going to improve wikipedia. --] (]) 06:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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	==Bugle? what bugle?==
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Bundaran_Hotel_Indonesia_Transjakarta_Halt
	Ahhhhh the template to leave all good editors in apoplexy for a considerable amount of time - what do you say we go for Tfd? :\| ]] 08:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

	== Heads up! ==
	I need you to watch out for the user ]. He constantly involved in edit war, clearly Malaysian who hate Indonesia and tried to bring Indonesia-Malaysia net bashing and war to wikipedia. Repeatedly call me "indon" and performed "personal attack" on me and also violate ]. Help me to deal with him. Thank you.(] (]) 12:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)).
	:yeah - i saw that a few days ago. Have you let administrators know? If you are concerned about personal attacks, etc, leave some diffs here on my talk page and I will see what I can do to help. thanks.
	:Note that my removal of the user boxes he placed on article talk pages has nothing to do with politics or any personal feuds - I simply removed them because one doesn't put user boxes on article talk pages. cheers --] (]) 12:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
	::They are user pages as they are at the moment - pity the Malaysia project does not have active admins :( ]] 12:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
	:::Thank you guys. cheers..! (] (]) 14:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)).
	::::Is it in order to boot him from a wikiproject etc.? ] (]) 16:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
	::::: That question shows there is no examination of the contributions pages or edit histories - the user in question has been discussed carefully elsewhere - to ask a question like that here is nothing short of odd. ]] 13:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Sorry, procedural question. I thought they were indeffed blocked for some reason. ] (]) 14:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

	== At wits end==
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Campotype - what on earth to do - any ideas? ]] 13:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

	== Regarding corrections to "List of tz database time zones" ==

	While I understand the corrections you have made to the names of islands groups in Indonesia, the values in the first four columns should agree with the original source material in the tz database itself. I recommend that you message those who maintain the tz database (whose mailing list is accessible ) and request that they correct their listings. ] (]) 06:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
	*I wasn't saying that you were "wrong": I was stating that, since the page explicitly states that the "comments" column contains official data from the database, we should reproduce the database, even if it has errors. ] (]) 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

	Hi i would like to Discuss the possible origins of Malay/Malayu coming from the ruling class of Srivijaya Kingdom <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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	== Adam ==

	Hi. Thanks for your comment on Adam's page. He's been warring with me over the pix for months, at one stage via a sockpuppet. He was blocked for that and has been a bit more well-behaved since then. I generally ignore him, even when he deletes my pix for no reason. Since you mentioned getting a third opinion, would you like to contribute? He's just made up this fantasy about my ] shots having a "bad brown haze," which I think is pure hallucination. Would you like to check it out? I don't get any support these days, since JBar gave up; driven away, as I said, by Adam's activities.

	] (]) 10:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
	::Yes there is an unusual colour of some sort and there is a difference from the most recent to some of the others that were uploaded some time ago. I am not using this as an excuse to delete them, just pointing it out at the moment. If someone gave me constructive criticism about mine I would not go to there talk page and abuse them I would try to rectify the problem. Also with the below, both photos were taken in sunny weather, its just that the sky is almost completely blown out in the first photo that gives it a cloudy appearance. *Adam* 11:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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	== Indonesia ==

	I might have done it anonymously I often do. I went back through my posts and came to the same conclusion. When I have time I'll revisit it.] (]) 06:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

	== ''The Joshua Tree'' interview ==

	I know you've been working on ''The Joshua Tree'' in your spare time; looking for something for "Mothers of the Disappeared", I found from 2007. Dunno if you've ever heard it before. If nothing else, it's at least a very good listen. ] <small>(], ])</small> 03:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	I don't think my edit that you reverted was troll feeding - even inadvertently. While Shah 88 is unable to edit his/her user page, I don't think other editors should do so. My edit simply reverted an IP's edits back to the status quo ante. The symbols there may be objectionable to some people but taking advantage of another editor's talk page block to remove them is, IMO, the more disruptive move. I'm going to restore the images again, not because I hold any brief to protect Shah 88, but because it's important we play by the rules. If the images are felt to be exceptionable then I think they should be the subject of a discussion, say at ]. ] ] 15:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

	== Greetings fellow Sydney-sider ==

	] pointed me in your direction - I'm from Sydney, and visiting there in ~ late Feb, for a few weeks. (Mostly I'm in Java these days.)

	I've just been to Recent Changes Camp in Canberra, and some of us were talking about a Wiki Wednesday (or something of the kind).

	Hope we can cross paths. --] <small>]</small> 07:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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	== Indonesia ==

	Thanks for the message. I have at my page. ] (]) 20:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

	== Another heads up ==

	Hi mate... I have favour to ask you, please check this user ] more closely. If the other days we have Malaysian user Shah88 that have bone to pick with Indonesian nationality, this time I suspect we have Chinese (I don't know, probably Mainland Chinese or Chinese Indonesian) that seems to have bone to pick with Native Indonesian. Most of his/her edit and new article created has reflected the racial derogatory tendencies. For example recreating the article ] and creating ], and ] articles and redirectly refer it to ] without proper explanation that those names are in fact derogatory in nature. Thank you (] (]) 19:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)).
	:I have been watching him and his IP account (]). I've redirected a number of his redirects that seem very dubious. I've also asked the admin who recently closed the ] (]) what the procedure is for newly recreated articles. Offensiveness may not be a valid reason to delete ] - rather, it was deleted as a dictionary definition.--] (]) 19:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

	==Some concern==
	I have replied to your message. Please refrain from using crude language again or I will have to report you. ] (]) 00:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	:Well, go ahead and report if you want - but there is a lot of "shit" on wikipedia. thanks --] (]) 00:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	::Thank you for your reply. I have replied and given you an explanation (based on policy) of the thing that upset you. Glad we could work things out. Oh yeah, if you have the time please feel free to edit the article yourself. I have seen that you have many good edits to your name and I would be glad to work alongside you. ] (]) 01:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

	::what a lot of utter (expletive deleted) - the order of the logic by the editor is fundamentally wrong and against the general intent of things work - add content and then verify is not how it works - ''feel free to edit'' - ''good edits to your name'' - bah - how sanctimonius like as if we were new eds - ]] 01:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	:::If you do not agree with the policy, please discuss it on its talk page. ] (]) 02:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	:::You obviously have been around a short time or seem to not understand what long term editing is and requires compared to the initiation ceremony of the pillars - over time aspects of and some nuances of such policies are seen as irrelevent to the creation of a good working encyclopedia - like running to jimbos talk page over edit differences - talking on policy pages is literally showing how limited an understanding of this place really works in the end - all that aside - it is great to see we have an enthusiast from good ole sleman - long may he edit!!! ]] 02:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
	::::I have been on Misplaced Pages since 2006 and am actually from Canada. Other than that, thank you for your well wishes. ] (]) 02:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

	==Copyright question==
	I have noticed that would greatly improve the current article. Any idea on whether it is free use? seems to indicate that it is. ] (]) 02:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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	== good afternoon ==

	hey merbabu, how are you?..., first of all, i'm sorry about my troubled pasts especially with you. anyway, thanks for repairing the last change i've made--] (]) 10:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

	:: I've just read the articles that you've created, two of them are ] and ]. wow Man, i'm proud of you...--] (]) 10:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

	==Hi again==

	Okay, if you don't want to get involved, fair enough, but for the record, I would like to point out that I have not taken part in "squabbles" over whose shots are better etc. If you had nothing else to do and you looked at Adam's messages, you would see that he has often indulged in personal attacks on me and I have not responded. If you looked at his contributions, you would see there have been many times when he has deleted my pix, but I have not retaliated. He criticises others for putting unnecessary pix in articles, but he has been one of the worst offenders. So, I've had my say and I won't bother you with the issue anymore.
	] (]) 08:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
	::In response to the above, if your photos are being removed it is not a personal attack against you it is because I am trying to clean up the article, this you do not seem to understand. Once the an article has been cleaned up of all these excessive photos with the galleries removed and the remainder integrated with the article text, the article looks much better. When I add pics to an article I may add 1 to 4 at most (recently) whereas at one stage you and another party were adding 30 to 40 poor quality photos to certain articles. As for the messages they were all responses to your personal attacks. I won't say any more because I know this message will be deleted shortly. ] (])

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	Thanks for your help. ] (]) 22:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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	== Jakarta ==

	First of all, thanks for introducing me to a . Hope I've got the feel for it as well as I think I do.

	Anyway, I totally agree with you that redirecting to ] makes sense, especially on the dab pages. I actually started to do that for a few articles, until I realized that it created an awkwardness. For example, this would be a typical example:

	:''Captain Smith sailed to ] (]) in December.''

	See what I mean? If I link Batavia to Jakarta, I end up with two links to Jakarta side-by-side. So I just did them the way that it was decided over ]. But yes, I would support linking directly to Jakarta. ] (]) 23:22, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

	:Did my answer to simply make things worse? ] (]) 02:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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	== of course ==

	I'm sorry, i never mean to harm anything, and never once did i recognize that changing the picture can be such a problem especially with you. i just want people reading the article to get more comfortable pictures in both size and look. The Jakarta picture was too small in the section, but I'm okay with your choice of that rice field photo of 1997.

	OK, from now I'll use that talk page even for considering changing the picture, but i think it is not necessary since i will not edit anything as of now, i respect your photo of 1997 but please do not change the Jakarta picture i have chosen. Thanks--] (]) 11:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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	== hey merbabu ==

	hey merbabu, i understand what you meant. I've recently replaced the Jakarta picture that you dislike with the new one, i guess it's my final change. thanks for your attention. --] (]) 10:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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	thanks for restoring my last edit in economy of Indonesia page.--] (]) 10:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
	:I didn't restore it. I reverted it due to poor English. The previous version was fine. --] (]) 11:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
	:: by the way, i agree with the addition you made about inflationary and regulatory weaknesses in the economy of Indonesia section, i just wanted to put the national economic condition as of 2010, and thank you for the addition, I'm sorry if i compared it to Australia in edit summary, it was really unnecessary--] (]) 09:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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	==Sion Church==
	Dear Merbabu, I try to fix some of the missing citations in ]. I have a question though, which name do you actually prefer for the article, 'Zion Church' or 'Gereja Sion'? I begin to think that it is probably better to use the local name, Gereja Sion, which is the first title you gave for the article, I think. I'm always in dilemma with this local or international-english name for a place ((e.g. ] and not La Tour, ], etc, etc.). What do you think about this? --] (]) 20:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

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	it never ends ]] 04:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
	::edit summary deliberately ambiguous and eminently punnable - many possible interps - none of them are true :) ]] 04:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
	:: you sure I cannot wind you up to go and edit some Indonesian soccer mastrerpieces :) ?? ]] 12:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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	== Special Regions of Indonesia in the Template ==

	Shouldn't Yogya's and Aceh's (and Jakarta's, actually) status as special administrative regions be indicated in the the infobox? If they are all lumped under "Provinces" it might be considered misleading. ] separates the provinces and territories; should we do something like that as well? ] (]) 00:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

	== Daylight saving time ==

	Reading infobox in article ], I can see something inside parentheses ...

	Time zone various (]+7 to +9)

	- Summer (DST) not observed (])

	The information above will make abiguous and inconsistent. Sure Indonesia does not observe daylight saving time, but look at the parentheses, as if Indonesia be truly using ] (same as London), and not using ]+7, ]+8, or ]+9.

	We can compare it with
	* ] - Summer (DST) not observed (]+9)
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	Should information about DST in ] follows your opinion (and parallel with that --all other typical countries too), or otherwise? Thanks :)
	] (]) 02:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

	:You say the above is (i) ambiguous, and (ii) it is inconsistent. SO looking at these two points:
	:(i) ambiguous: not at all. Indonesia has three time zones and they are stated. It does not use daylight saving time and this is stated. Nothing more needs to be said. (Unnecessarily) restating the three time zones actually increases ambiguity. Kok? Why are the numbers their twice?
	:(ii) Inconsistency: I assume you mean inconsistency with other articles. Why should we repeat the problems of other wikpedia pages here? Ie, the country examples you provide suffer the same problem in (i). Why transfer the problem to the Indonesia page too?
	:Cheers --] (]) 03:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
	::setuju ]] 05:55, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::I can talk no more, perhaps I lost the context. Okay, thank you. :) ] (]) 08:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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	==Consolidation of references==
	With the rp template. So one can search for, and fix, the miryad broken references in the Indonesia articles. Clear enough?

	— ] (]) 01:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

	: The Indonesian articles have many references pointing to non-existing edition years, or to texts not mentioned in the references sections, and with inconsistent formatting. By using the rp template, which you should have looked into first thing, we consolidate references so the note lists become more manageable, the references become more consistent, and researching them becomes feasible.

	: It is OK for me to stop now as it is quite late now, but you really should have researched before requesting anything.

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	:: Have you never seen ]? And you researched it but failed to type ? I wonder.

	:: Just look at the notes. Each ‘name (year)’ note must mention a work in the references list. This is quite often not the case, showing shoddy copying around of text without references. Sometimes the author will have a different work listed; sometimes, the work is listed but as some other edition; sometimes, the author is not even listed. As these references are quite plentiful, sometimes a dozen or more in an article, it is more practical to first consolidate them with Template:Rp first, and then research and fix.

	:: Ugliness is irrelevant, precision is paramount.

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	== Sneaky vandal ==

	Pokemonmaster1000 I notice you corrected this person's changes to Bali. He made several edits here and there, listed them as "minor" and all were vandalistic. However, the changes to Sydney Royal Easter Show were of a type that could easily be passed off as genuine corrections but subsequent editors and there remain in the article indefinitely. I suspect this person has been around for a while and changes name from time to time. ] (]) 13:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


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	p==A captain cook==
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	Merbabu - ], ]. Are you saying that admins need to obey consensus at ], even in cases of WP policy vio? Where is my ]yness? I'm changing the page to reflect actual practice, as per . I'm not contesting Shifty's page deletion. I just think it should be made clear that an admin DECIDES whether to delete or keep the page. --] (]) 04:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
	:] right back at you. All I said was take it to the talk page. Ie, I know you're well versed in ] (and I use it myself too!). And, BRD brings me to your suggestion of ]. I guess you're saying use BRD or DRNC (which contradict each other) depending on what suits? --] (]) 05:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
	::I'm saying that you should not revert without giving reasons for the revert in either the edit summary, or on the talk page. You have not given a reason for reverting my change, except that it is "disputed". How do I address your concerns with the edit if you are unwilling to reveal them? As to the substance: are you saying that ] is ''required'' for ], or that it is merely ''preferred''? I would argue the latter. --] (]) 05:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
	:::Personally, I don't agree with your change. The outcome of Timeshift's case aside, it should be consensus ''and'' a weighy of the arguments. However, and as I said, if discussion on the relevant page shows a, well, "consensus" for a change, then I'll go along with that. I don't think it should be changed based on a single outcome (ie, Timeshifts). --] (]) 05:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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	== removal of flagicon ==

	hi bro. i'd like to ask the reason you removed flagicon on bandung, sister cities section.

	what about ], ] ? they can have flagicon for sister cities but not for ] ?

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	== ]. and your message at ] ==

	Hi Merbabu,

	With the article at ], I have taken on the GA review for it, but am just doing some gnoming before I take it formally to review. Your remark, "please do add POV tags to your ''own'' edits especially when they are mid-sentance" I don't quite understand - I am trying to get ''rid of'' what seems to me POV, but you are quite right that if there are things I have inadvertently introduced which to yours or others' eyes are POV, then quite right for them to be marked so, and, better, to be removed or changed so they are not. But this is very much a first pass for me, when I do a Ga review I tend to take BOLD and do a lot of gnoming that I consider uncontroversial, before taking it to the GA review formally for those bits I consider might be.

	I can only assure you of my good faith, as you implicitly have assured me of yours, thank you sincerely for your look-see over this, and after a nother day or so of gnoming I will write up the formal review. I am not trying to subvert process here, quite the opposite, it seems that some GA reviewers note every jot and tittle, which is fine, and some like me kinda get stuck in and do lots of the minor edits themselves. I can see this might seem not to make sense because it is done rather "unofficially", but in practice it saves the article proposer to wade through hundreds of minor points, or as the White Knight (was it?) says in Alice in Wonderland, the quickest way to explain it is to do it.

	So please forgive me my errors and feel free to revert anything that is outright ridiculous or nonsense, I won't be at all offended, but I hope we will make the article better, although I admit I have made some errors. As for Preview, I do know that, but in particular, I miss typing slips at the preview too, and for some things like references, Preview doesn't work very well (yes one can put {{tlc\|reflist}} at the bottom of the section for preview, but still it can be hard when there are multiple references from different sections etc.) So please do accept my good faith that I am trying my best, and not always succeeding.

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	==Heritagehomes==
	Yes, I noticed that. Thanks for your effort. On another note, I have gone to the help desk and asked for a peer review, as suggested by my dear friend Adam. Let's hope this will inject some sanity into the situation. ] (]) 22:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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	Hi. What are "piped details"? If I know what they are I might stop deleting them, but I can't remember deleting anything important.

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	This user must be indef blocked as they do with everyone else who creates a sock puppet. Please expalin why there is these double standards??

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	:This is a ridiculous statement: "before Spain colonized the Philippines there was NO differnece between people from what is now ] and what is now ] and ]. " There are hundreds of ethnic groups making up this with a corresponding amount of different languages. What's next? Telling us that the French and Germans are the same?
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	*Since infobox settlement is stated as this: "This template should be used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, etcetera - in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country". Hence, the discussion there encompassed all those. Show me the consensus to prohibit flags in these in any MOSFLAG disucssion? This need not be re-opened again; ]. ] (]) 22:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
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	Hi Merbabu! I see you've been doing lots of great work, but I dont quite understand : do you have some other plan for incorporating the film which should be of interest to readers on the topic, or am I missing something else altogether? Cheers, ] (]) 05:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
	:What's not to understand? The 65/66 killings article may be important to the documentary article (indeed, it’s what the documentary is about), but the documentary has no importance to the historical events.
	:As far as I can see, the new article on the documentary is based on a single source (the producer’s) and is written by the film’s producers. There are no secondary sources attesting to the film’s notability. So the first question is do we even need this article? My judgement call was to give it the benefit of the doubt and I removed the speedy delete tag (based on the obvious COI concerns) and I did it a little editing to make it less of an advertisement. However, I must admit my removal of the speedy delete tag was perhaps not done so much based on wikipedia policy, but based on my own personal curiousness about this apparent new film (You could say I’m interested in the topic being the creator and main contributor to the killings article). So already there is a bit of skating on thin ice going on here.
	:The producer then inserted an advertisement for the film in the Impact section of the 65-66 Killings article. The main impact of the killings was the decimation of the third largest communist part in the world, and the ultimate removal of founding President Sukarno’s autocratic and chaotic left-leaning regime with President Suharto’s autocratic and strong right-leaning government resulting in major changes to Indonesia for the next 30 odd years. The second impact was, we are meant to believe, is this film? Huh? In what way has this film had an impact? It’s not even the first film on the topic as the producers would have us believe.
	:Would readers be “interested”? Possibly, possibly not. But we shouldn’t care as the criteria for inclusion is notability/relevance, not whether something is deemed interesting and wikipedia is ].
	:I don’t know what you mean by “incorporating the film”. It’s already got it’s own little <s>advertisement.</s>, oops, article. What else do you suggest? regards --] (]) 05:32, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
	::OK, we're in agreement about the ice-skating, and obvious COI is a different issue than whether something is 'about' or 'part of' the topic. Let me think a bit, and I'll put suggestions on ]; I think the issue is presenting all documentary treatments in a context that avoids undue weight to any one. Since I've seen none of them, I'd still rather you into it! ] (]) 05:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
	-Hello, I created the 40 Years of Silence wiki and inserted information on the film on the Indonesian Killings of 1965-1966 wiki. I'm aware I put the film info in the wrong area by placing it in "impact" section of the Indonesia killings of 1965-6 wiki page. I'm new to Misplaced Pages and am in the learning process right now and am aware of the COI/NPOV concerns with the ]. I would appreciate other editors assistance in removing/editing anything to ensure there is an NPOV or deleting it if it's not Misplaced Pages material. On another note, to make all documentaries and films related to the Indonesia 1965 mass-killings neutral, what if a separate category such as "Popular Culture" or "Media Resources" such as this page on the ]. Some other films on the events of 1965 in Indonesia are , Syarikat's "", , and by Lexy Rambadetta. I think it would be beneficial to have a collection of media resources available to Wikipedians, such as films, books, music, and performances on the Indonesia 1965-6 mass-killings page. Thanka for everyone's patience and assistance.--] (]) 21:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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	== Conservapedia ==

	Thanks for posting the suggestion that that editor try their luck at Conservapedia on the Australia talk page - this seems to be a spillover from the kind of stuff which goes on there (for instance http://www.conservapedia.com/Australia#Aborigines_and_Torres_Straits_Islanders - though http://www.conservapedia.com/Australia#Flora_and_fauna is also worth reading!). ] (]) 08:34, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	:lol - the Bill Clinton page there said for a year or two that he was the devil incarnate. It's gone now, but every now and then I used to check to see if it was still there, and sure enough, it was there for ages. --] (]) 08:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	::The lead to http://www.conservapedia.com/Barrack_Obama says pretty much the same thing, though it takes a few paragraphs of ranting to get the message across. ;) ] (]) 08:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

	Hi, Given that EnochBethany removed that heading a minute after adding it I don't think that you should have re-added it. There's no need to pour fuel on the fire. ] (]) 10:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
	::Oh, he removed his own heading? whoops. I thought another editor trying to be less inflammatory did that. In the case that he removed it, then I agree with you. (although it still shows his thinking). kind regards, the bigot. ;-) --] (]) 11:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
	:::OK, no worries. I guess that makes me one of the "intolerant secular humanists" then? ;) ] (]) 11:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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	*Hello, Mer-baa-boo! Hope you still remember me, but most importantly I hope you still remember ] because I think he's back again, harassing me once more; albeit on ANI this time. Is it convenient for me to email you the details? --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 15:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	:Well you can just post here if you want, then everyone else can also see. But you are welcome to email me to if that's best. Cheers. --] (]) 01:47, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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	== RE: On reason... ==

	I understand the sentiment and reasons for your message (the picture; pigeons, chess?), but I'm not sure how to feel about it haha. Thanks for leaving the message though and for offering your voice at the Australia article. ] (]) 11:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
	:Unfortunately the cartoon is aimed at Christians in general and not specific to young earthers. I have many highly educated and intellectually potent Christian friends - I grew up with them and some are now Ministers. Indeed, as an agnostic, it could be argued that my own position on life's big questions is arguably more intellectually flimsy than theirs. lol. I like the cartoon as it applies to a certain type of Christian (in this case young eathers) - but it does have its limits. --] (]) 11:40, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
	::It is very general and paints a stereotype, but as I said I understand why you posted it haha. ] (]) 11:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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	== Aceh -- removing the list of governors ==

	I'm disappointed that you removed the list of Acehnese governors from the Aceh page. It seems unnecessary and I went to some trouble to check out the list. I presume the suggestion is that there should be references provided. The problem is that the references are scattered over various sources and it seems excessively scholastic to add lots of footnotes at the bottom when, essentially, the facts are not really under challenge. In addition, most of the references are to Indonesian-language sources and, in the past, when I have posted Indonesian-language references, these have been removed by some Wikipedians. This approach (of removing Indonesian-language references) is a major problem for Indonesian articles on Misplaced Pages because, often, the main source for Indonesian issues is Indonesian-language references. ] (]) 01:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
	:no need to presume. It's very clear. Do not add material without references. That's basic Misplaced Pages policy. --] (]) 01:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
	:And is such a list that relevant or useful? --] (]) 02:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

	::Here are two points in reply (because Merbabu has raised two separate issues). (1) NEED FOR REFERENCES. No, I don't quite agree. The policy is not as black and white as this. Any discussion of references (anywhere, in any book, or academic journal) needs to be balanced against considerations such as excessive scholasticism and, in any case, the commonsense need for references. I have written dozens of articles for numerous academic journals (and have been the editor of a well-known journal about Indonesian affairs). One doesn't footnote every single sentence. Nobody does. In any case, several of the governors I listed were referenced across to Misplaced Pages pages and yet these were removed as well. I will now need to spend time going back to check all the references for the governors one-by-one. This is a pity. But the listing of governors is quite important for historical purposes. I am not a historian but for those who wish to look into Acehnese recent history, it is a pity to lose the list of governors. Lists of people like this are a very useful starting point for further work. (2) USEFUL? This is seems to be a difference point and is surely a matter of opinion? I'd argue that a list of governors is very useful indeed. If one wants, for example, to dig back into events in Aceh over past decades, it's pretty helpful to chase up references to governors because this, in turn, leads on to articles about the governors (and, more important, their policies), speeches, references to meetings and conferences, and so on. This sort of thing gets to the meat of policy and governance. There is also a lot of useful material surrounding how (and why) the governors where chosen, and by whom. There is, for example, a recent book about Governor Mustafa Abubakar (governor, 2006) which is a very valuable account of the processes of governance in Aceh (referenced on the Misplaced Pages page for him).] (]) 02:20, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
	:::If you can show me where it says that verifiability and referencing isn't required on wikipedia, I'd be happy to see it. In the meantime, I'm considering the issue closed. I tagged the section in May, you worked on the article in June, and now you object when I remove it in July.
	:::If wikipedia had "meat of policy and governance" then that would be great. But it doesn't, and I don't see how a list of 7 names is going to provide that. I note that there is no similar list in ], ], or ]. I did not look at other prominent state/city/province articles so that's says that's 3 out of 3. --] (]) 03:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

	::::Well, we don't seem to be making much progress, do we? Let's agree to disagree. Thanks for your comments.] (]) 03:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
	:::::No worries. --] (]) 03:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

	== Changes to Buol Regency page ==

	I've just noticed that you've removed the entry I put on the Buol Regency page. I'm fairly unhappy about this. Your earlier changes to my entries on the Aceh page some time ago (which I am also unhappy about) were made, first, on the basis that references were not provided. Then, shortly afterwards, you added the suggestion that the information was not useful anyway. As I noted at the time, these were two quite different issues (and I happened to disagree with both of them). And now you've removed the information (which I believe is quite important) from the Buol Regency page. You've removed this entry because apparently you didn't think it was useful. Please forgive me for saying so, but you seem to be rather willing to edit the work of other people. I'd like, if I may, to suggest to you a truce in this matter. I think I can make my own reasonable judgements about these things. My hope, and I ask for this in good faith, is that you will hesitate before editing the work of other people who quite experienced in these things (Indonesia, and editing). I honestly just don't have the time to argue over these things. I honestly don't. Could we call a truce? Please. ] (]) 01:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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