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			== Infobox ==

			The infobox which I added earlier today was just removed, with the edit summary "''restore based on pre-existing instructions. Today is not the day to start an edit war''". Both the supposed ''instruction'' (since when did Misplaced Pages operate by instructions?) and the reference to an edit war are bogus. The infobox should be restored. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 21:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
			:There are several sections discussing infoboxes at the ] talk page and the edit wars involving them on several articles in which you were involved. I understand your viewpoint is to take a hard line on this but can you just wait until tomorrow to do start this dispute again? The page passed all of the FA reviews without the infobox. Thanks.] (]) 21:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
			::Nothing in those discussions or elsewhere warrants or supports your supposed ''instruction''. From the box at the top of this page (my emboldening): "''Georg Solti is a featured article; it... has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Misplaced Pages community. '''Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so'''''". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 22:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
			:::"instructions": I suspect that DavidRF was struggling to find the right phrase in the flutter of required edits to combat vandalism.
			:::''ad procedere'': I am under the impression that it is good form to suggest substantial changes to featured articles in the talk pages first and seek other editors' opinions; a ] might be in order.
			:::''ad rem'': the article reached featured status without an infobox. I'm sure the various editors considered it and decided not to have one. It doesn't improve the article and confuses the reader: was he really born "György Stern" or rather "Stern György"? Stating his place of birth as ], ], ] is a) ]; b) somewhat misleading (Hungary in 1912?). The infobox states his nationality as Hungarian; doesn't that oversimplify things? -- ] (]) 01:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
			::::And once agai I ask, why is it only classical musicians who seem to have such problems, yet the majority of other bibliographies don't? ] (]) 02:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
			::::Your ''ad procedere'' impression is fallacious; there is no such requirement in any Misplaced Pages policy; indeed, polices state the contrary. You or anyone else are of course at liberty to edit the infobox. The points you mention do not require its removal. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
			:::There was a comment at the top of the file which said "please do not add an infobox, per ]" and you chose to add an infobox and remove the comment without discussion. That was what I meant. But come on, you know very well this infobox issue has been a contentious one. You yourself have actively participated in those discussions.] (]) 03:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
			::::I know very well, as should you, that no such ''instruction'' is applicable. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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György Stern or György Solti??

We say his original surname was both Stern and Solti. Which is it?? JackofOz 06:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Question has been answered. He was born Stern, and his father changed the family name to Solti. Fixed. JackofOz 02:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Awards' important omission

What is that sole mention of "one" Grammy in "Awards and Recognitions". It is a very well known fact that he is the most awarded person in Grammy's history (38). So, that has to stand out in that section. Nazroon 12:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Chicago Symphony

The paragraph under "Chicago Symphony", discussing the rise of the ensemble on the world stage is wildly subjective and, I think, an inaccurate portrayal of Solti's contributions. Reiner was brilliant and talented but – in terms of making the orchestra a household name – he was mostly the primer for Solti to step in and push the group to the fame it achieved. The paragraph should be rewritten or deleted.
Mad Bunny 03:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Wannabee poets

Who on earth wrote this line: "According to his last wish, Solti rests in Hungarian soil."? Rests?! I have edited out this ridiculous faux-poetic line. 193.1.104.2 (talk) 13:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I see this page is protected. The faux-poetry is here to stay! I think I'll get sick on my keyboard. 193.1.104.2 (talk) 14:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Eight years the elder of the children?

What means the phrase "eight years the elder of the children"?

Teréz Stern was from a musical family, and encouraged her daughter Lilly, eight years the elder of the children, to sing, and György to accompany her at the piano.

Which children? Isn't the daughter one of the children?

Rammer (talk) 16:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox which I added earlier today was just removed, with the edit summary "restore based on pre-existing instructions. Today is not the day to start an edit war". Both the supposed instruction (since when did Misplaced Pages operate by instructions?) and the reference to an edit war are bogus. The infobox should be restored. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

There are several sections discussing infoboxes at the WP:CM talk page and the edit wars involving them on several articles in which you were involved. I understand your viewpoint is to take a hard line on this but can you just wait until tomorrow to do start this dispute again? The page passed all of the FA reviews without the infobox. Thanks.DavidRF (talk) 21:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Nothing in those discussions or elsewhere warrants or supports your supposed instruction. From the box at the top of this page (my emboldening): "Georg Solti is a featured article; it... has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Misplaced Pages community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

"instructions": I suspect that DavidRF was struggling to find the right phrase in the flutter of required edits to combat vandalism.

ad procedere: I am under the impression that it is good form to suggest substantial changes to featured articles in the talk pages first and seek other editors' opinions; a trouting might be in order.

ad rem: the article reached featured status without an infobox. I'm sure the various editors considered it and decided not to have one. It doesn't improve the article and confuses the reader: was he really born "György Stern" or rather "Stern György"? Stating his place of birth as Buda, Budapest, Hungary is a) WP:OVERLINK; b) somewhat misleading (Hungary in 1912?). The infobox states his nationality as Hungarian; doesn't that oversimplify things? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

And once agai I ask, why is it only classical musicians who seem to have such problems, yet the majority of other bibliographies don't? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 02:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Your ad procedere impression is fallacious; there is no such requirement in any Misplaced Pages policy; indeed, polices state the contrary. You or anyone else are of course at liberty to edit the infobox. The points you mention do not require its removal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

There was a comment at the top of the file which said "please do not add an infobox, per Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Classical music#Biographical_infoboxes" and you chose to add an infobox and remove the comment without discussion. That was what I meant. But come on, you know very well this infobox issue has been a contentious one. You yourself have actively participated in those discussions.DavidRF (talk) 03:10, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I know very well, as should you, that no such instruction is applicable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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