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Revision as of 00:13, 28 April 2006

The recent 48-hour block shows, again, that those silly administrators could do whatever they want in this web site, no matter just or unjust. Anyway, since Instantnood did not show any good sign for reconciliation, and responsed with a bad attitude, there will be no more concession. If he doesn't give up pushing his biased and separatist view points to the articles, his edits shall continue to be reverted, for the sake of justice. Furthermore, I won't trust those bureaucratic "dispute resolving" crap.

Archived discussion (March 2005 - November 2005)

UCSBWiki

Hey there Alanmak, I just wanted to let you know that your photograph of Isla Vista has been added to UCSBWiki under the terms of the GFDL! It is a great picture, especially for our new website, and I would like to thank you for releasing it under a copyleft license.

Doopokko 21:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

class=toccolours

Hi

is there any reason you changed class="toccolours" (copied from Toronto Star) to class="white"? Now the box does not have a border, and it looks really weird on my screen. (I don't know if it looks weird on your computer, though. Sometimes something looks weird here but looks ok on Windows.)—Gniw (Wing) 08:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Jyutping vs IPA

My thoughts about jyutping and IPA is that we should always use jyutping and not IPA. If jyutping is too weird (which I agree) or not friendly for any other reason, then we should fix the jyutping article to make it immediately usable as a pronunciation key. But we must avoid IPA for Cantonese at all costs, because the combination of current Misplaced Pages IPA guidelines and Cantonese IPA conventions have together made IPA transcriptions for Cantonese close to completely meaningless in Misplaced Pages.

My reasoning is stated in my user page and in Instantnood's talk page. Obviously, by now you know my writings are very disorganized, so you'll have to have some patience reading my reasoning. I don't expect you to understand what I write, however; Instantnood obviously didn't.

When I have some time I might try to reorganize my reasoning and post it here, but I'm not doing this now; I'm hours past my sleep time and I am supposed to be looking for some (paper) document that I still haven't found.—Gniw (Wing) 08:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Please..

Re your edit summaries: : I did suggest what we can do to allow readers to choose which of the pronunciation guides to be displayed by setting .css. Please kindly spend some time reading, give me a response, rather than keep lying around that I didn't suggest anything. Thanks. — Instantnood 20:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know such a button is not possible. Please don't remove pronunciation guides when there's only two, or when they've already been there before you started to complain. There are other romanisation systems for Mandarin other than Pinyin, and for some articles the other systems are included. Meanwhile, please mind your language. — Instantnood 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Lo mai kai

I'm that sure, but from the google test result has shown that lo mai kai has a greater popularity. I thought it's the common rountine to use the more common name in Misplaced Pages. On the other hand, there're some problems I'd like to ask you. You would find that the Chinese phoenix is redirected to fenghuang. Is that legitimate? In the Japanese cuisine, they use Shabu-shabu instead of Japanese hotpot. Why can they do so? -- Jerry Crimson Mann 07:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Because the English language has an inherent POV of favouring Japanese terms, and there is no concensus among Chinese people what romanization to use. When in doubt, the Westerners use Japanese romanizations even for Chinese concepts, such as “kishotenketsu".—Gniw (Wing) 18:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Could you please elaborate a bit what kishotenketsu is? Thanks. :-) — Instantnood 18:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

“Kishotenketsu” is the Japanese romanisation for “起轉結".—Gniw (Wing) 19:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Slow revert wars

fyi, Most of the articles being reverted repeated are "topics about China" . Revert warring is inappropriate. SchmuckyTheCat 19:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Let readers to choose..

In response to your edit summary : It was you who complained the pronunciation guide is too long, and that was the reason why I've invited you to help figure out how we can let readers to choose what to display by setting .css. You did not respond, and have insisted to remove a transliteration method arbitrary from articles, including those already having only two . Please let me know what you want, and please stop removing things you don't like in an arbitrary manner. Thanks. — Instantnood 09:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Macau map in Portuguese

Congratulations for the Portuguese version of the Macau map . However, there are a few typos that it would be nice if you could correct:

• The tittle should be: "Divisão Administrativa (not AdministrativO) da Região Administrativa (again, not AdministrativO) Especial de Macau da República Popular da China".
• Add an acute to "António" in "Freguesia de Santo António" and in the legend for nr. 7 put "(Território ainda não atribuído a qualquer freguesia)".
• It should be "Ponte da (not "de") Amizade". The neighbouring bridge should be "Ponte Governador Nobre de Carvalho" and not "Ponte Nobre Governador Carvalho". "Nobre de Carvalho" was the name of the governor.
• Finally there is also an acute missing in the word "Lótus" in "Ponte Flor de Lótus". Thanks and keep on the good work! --82.102.42.70 13:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC) Manuel de Sousa

Define vandallism

I hope you do understand what vandalism is. A revert war is not considered as a good example of vandalism as the rules of Misplaced Pages have stated. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 08:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Who has moved my lo mai gai?

Stop it. The google test has shown my point of view. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 17:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

More to add, you're rather stubborn, sad to say. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 17:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Pinyin

I do appreciate your effort of adding Pinyin around in Hong Kong-related articles. But I'm afraid what you've been doing is creating more confusions to less-well-informed readers that they may think Putonghua is common and popular in Hong Kong, and the names are of Putonghua or Mandarin origins. Please kindly consider adding Cantonese transliterations simultaneously, or refrain from adding Pinyin for the time being. Alternatively you may put up a list to request other editors, so that they know where they have to add the Cantonese counterparts. Thanks. — Instantnood 20:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid you've missed my point. I do not object adding Pinyin to these articles. It is, nevertheless, my concern that you're possibly confusing or misleading many readers. You may consider creating a list to inform other editors, e.g., I myself, so that they add the Cantonese romanisations for you.

Meanwhile, the status of Shanghai dialect in Shanghai and Cantonese in Hong Kong is hardly comparable. The governor there doesn't speak in Wu or the Shanghai dialect publicly in official situation.

I don't think my ethnicity or linguistic background is of any relevance to the discussion here, and I do consider myself familiar enough with the social settings of the place I currently reside in. — Instantnood 21:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The same old trouble again . Please consider dropping a message at the user talk page of other wikipedians, or, at least, leave a short note in the edit summary. If it's like the above mentioned edit, nobody has any clue you've in fact requested for it. — Instantnood 20:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Pinyin

I realise he is determined to show his sheer patriotism. It's always fair in war and love--loving your country, eh? PS Add an explanation in the talkpage of oyster omelette. You're informed that horjai is the Minnan (Fujian's and Taiwan's dialect) name for doulai (oyster). I'm not Hong Kong-centric, but you're just misleading the readers. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 12:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I only want to make one point to this "message." I don't agree with the sentence "I realise he is determined to show his sheer patriotism." Only some people who is dwelling in a Chinese territory and holding a foreign citizenship have phobia for China. :-) Anyway, your point is pretty interesting. -- Alanmak 14:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Who's holding a foreign nationality? And why is it relevant here? — Instantnood 21:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for me butting into your talkpage, Alan, but I am rather intriged by the "I realise he is determined to show his sheer patriotism" statement. Was he directing that at you...or?--Huaiwei 15:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply

Although I would usually reply on your talk page, I've replied on my talk page due to the number of participants. enochlau (talk) 21:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture of the day

Hi Alan,

Just to let you know that your photo Image:Fog&Sunny.png is due to make an appearance as Pic of the Day on the 29th December. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Misplaced Pages:Picture of the day/December 29, 2005.

Page move of char siu

Your page move of char siu to barbecued pork was unwarranted, and I have reverted it. Barbecued pork and char siu are not by any means synonymous to English speakers. To most English speakers, "barbecued pork" means something entirely different, that is, smoked meat in the style of the southern United States. (See the barbecue article.) Char siu may be a type or example of one type of barbecued pork, but they are not the same thing.

Please do not gratutitously move pages without discussion on the Talk page.

Thank you, MCB 06:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Commons

Don't forget to link the images you've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons from one of the Hong Kong-related galleries or categories there. Meanwhile, where in Sai Kung is the typhoon shelter in that picture? Thanks. — Instantnood 19:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Just put the images to the gallery for Hong Kong or one of its children galleries. I can't find that typhoon shelter on maps, and I don't recall it's a typical typhoon shelter with dams, that I thought it's just a natural body of sheltered water where ships and boats are buoyed. :-P — Instantnood 08:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

A Dove

I'm not too informed of the controversy, but I'm sure that every one acts on good faith. Talented people are often impatient, and impatience usually caused misunderstanding, and hence unhappiness. We hope that everything can be solved in a friendly way. Misplaced Pages is, after all, a place for fun and friendship. ^-^ (Forgive me if my words sound silly). --K.C. Tang 06:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The country names China and Taiwan

I've added my opinion on this issue at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#The country names China and Taiwan. Please feel free to provide your opinion and engage in discussions. Chanheigeorge 08:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

List of languages

Hi Alanmak,

Just to notify you that both you and Instantnood have reached your 3RR limit for this article.

The page history is starting to look like a script from the Three Stooges. I'm not saying that you are the one to blame, but I would appreciate it if you would refrain from bringing your ongoing fight to this article.

kwami 19:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Alan, what you've added to the Chinese entry is good information. However, we simply don't have room for that much detail in the language list. There are similar details for every language in every country. Sould we also describe the Mandarin/Taiwanese issue in Taiwan? The official switch to Mandarin in Singapore? The standardized spelling of Cantonese in Chinese communities in Canada and the US? Where's the limit? We would quadruple the size of the article if we followed this level of detail for every language in every country, and it isn't fair to do this only for Chinese in mainland China. For most languages, we haven't even distinguished between national and official languages. You've supplied good info, but it belongs in the articles on China and Chinese, just as the details of other countries and languages belong in their articles. kwami 19:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Classified information

Could you and Instantnood join the discussion on the talk page for this article?--agr 23:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Transportation in China

I wasn't making any comments on whether that was the right version, all I know is that Instantnood was stirring up an old debate with that edit. I reverted the edit and banned him from editing that category. What is done from there is up to people who are not on probation. --Wgfinley 19:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Hello, Wgfinley. Thank you for your effort on solving the edit dispute. I was not intending to accuse you of making comments on whether that was the right version. The comment that I made about "some anti-China Wikipedians are pushing their POV" is not pointing to you. I pointed that out in the edit summary, just because some Wikipedians from Hong Kong have been demonstrating their high degree of anti-China sentiments in their edits, and have been trying their best to separate Hong Kong from all articles about China. In some situations, I agree that Hong Kong should have a separate article from the same topic for China. But this practice is not really necessary in ALL situation. Again, Thank you for your effort on solving the edit dispute. - Alanmak 20:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

  Not a problem, I just wanted to make sure my revert wasn't misinterpreted. I also appreciate your kind comments, thanks. --Wgfinley 20:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Age of Consent

Hi Alanmak, thanks for your contribution to the AoC page with regards to the Chinese states. Could I ask that you also find and cite the relavant legislation (if available in english?) as requested in each section's header and in the talk page 'AoC Chalenge'. This would help us turn this page from heresay to a properly authoritive article. Thanks Monotonehell 11:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Capitol of the ROC

Hi, I'm reverting a series of edits about the capitol of the ROC. It's not exactly set in ROC law. It's a debate that has been held before on Misplaced Pages and nobody can actually cite a reference to an official capitol other than "the capitol is where the Yuan are". You can read about it here: Template talk:Republic of China infobox. If you can find a citation in ROC law, that'd be great. SchmuckyTheCat 01:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding War And Beauty

• I am not being biased against Mainlanders when I say that they are not able to read the page. What I mean is that due to censorship, they have troubles accessing Misplaced Pages, full stop. To say that I am biased without any evidence other than your perception is, to honestly and bluntly say it, offending, especially for a person who has never talked to you. I would suggest that you take a look at what I have wrote on the discussion board on that page. Arbiteroftruth 04:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• In response to your comments, I know it should be in Hanyu Pinyin, but my problem with this is that the programme we are talking about is a Hong Kong production, and should we stick to the spelling which appeals to the audience it was intended for? Arbiteroftruth 14:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

China-geo-stub

Hi - I've just reverted your change of icon on {{China-geo-stub}}. As it clearly says at the top of the full list of stub templates: Several of the stub categories relate to controversial issues For this reason, many of the icons have been chosen carefully so as not to cause offense or appear biased. If you wish to change any stub icon, please clear the icon change at both Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals and at any WikiProject associated with the stub category first.

Specifically, maps are deliberately not used where there is a controvery relating to national boundaries, which there clearly is in the case of China. It took a considerable amount of debate before the neutral icon of the first part the name of China was chosen. Please - unless you have a more neutral suggestion for a possible icon, don't chnge it. If you do know of a more neutral icon, please discuss it at WP:WSS/P first! Grutness...wha? 09:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Country templates

After a quick glance at Misplaced Pages:country referencing templates I'm having an impression that the first critera is the ISO 3166 standard. We may create {{HKG-IOC}} or {{Hong Kong, China}} (and {{Macao, China}} too) for designations by the IOC and for other situations (e.g. WTO), and in fact {{HKG-PRC}} and {{MAC-PRC}}, which was actually the result of compromise, is already serving that purpose. Please kindly do not make changes to templates that affects lots of articles before discussions (and I'd recommend restoring them before discussion is fruitful). Thanks. — Instantnood 05:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Bet you've forgotton the possibility that the same would be happening, that people will be using the template you've modified without being aware of "Hong Kong, China" or "Macao, China" would be displayed for situations that are not necessary. However your position is, you should have stopped, restored them, and sought opinion from the community. Personally I won't mind reserving {{HKG}} and {{MAC}} for IOC and/or international organisation designations, but only after seeking community consensus, notes are adequately provided (with the <noinclude> tag), and their applications are closely monitored. — Instantnood 18:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, {{HKG}} should display Hong Kong and {{HKG-PRC}} Hong Kong, China, as that's been what's in use for quite some time now, and I see little reason to change it. —Nightstallion (?) 10:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste edit war

Hello,

This message is for both Alanmak and Instantnood.

Never user cut-and-paste to "rename" a page. Page moves should always be made by using "move", never by cut-and-paste, because cut-and-paste does not preserve the article's history.

Also, viewing "what links here" shows that most pages link to Template:HK, which was presumably the original name for the article. So I've moved it there. If you want to propose a change to Template:HONG KONG, try Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Please be sure that this name change would be consistent with other similar templates.

In summary, please don't edit war, please don't do cut-and-paste "moves", and especially don't edit war over templates, because this can leave articles that use the templates in a damaged condition (especially if you carelessly create double-redirects, which was the case here). -- Curps 23:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Because of all the templates that have been renamed and redirected to one another (Template:HKG, etc), it's difficult to sort out what's used for what and who originated what and who reverted to what. Please contact Misplaced Pages:Mediation Committee if necessary, or other steps of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. Please don't edit war, especially over templates. -- Curps 23:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Instantnood, I see you have a pending Arbitration case, and one of the aspects concerns edits to Hong Kong-related pages. This is really not a good time for you to be edit-warring. -- Curps 23:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Referencing templates

Re: - Hello Alan. I've a message for Curps and you at user talk:Curps. — Instantnood 05:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Template:Navy related tags

Is there a particular reason you felt the need to alter the tag names for these? Now a bunch of links are broken on pages such as List of naval ship classes in service which use those tags. The standard for the Template:Navy tags is the same as for the Template:Country tags (where I got the format by the way): ISO 3166-1 3-digit country codes. If you really want to use your own alternative names for these places, then please use redirects or something that does not result in breaking a bunch of otherwise working links. Thanks! Josh 04:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. Josh 04:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk

Please be reminded to take a look at, and as you wish, to respond to the messages I've left on a few talk pages regarding your edits. Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 08:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Log deletion nominations

Please kindly log your nominations at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Hong Kong and Hong Kong wikipedians' notice board, as well as other relevant sorting projects and notice boards whenever appropriate and necessary. Thanks. — Instantnood 08:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 21% for major edits and 25% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 07:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Crickets

User:SchmuckyTheCat/Mick Jagger, Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Instantnood.2C_post_Arbcom SchmuckyTheCat 09:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 48

I have blocked you for 48 hours because the majority of your edits in the last few days are reverts. Revert wars do not improve articles. If Instantnood is being mean and nasty to you, you must discuss it with him or ask for outside help before doing massive reverts; grudges are not allowed on Misplaced Pages. Ashibaka tock 01:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

GoldenBauhiniaSquare.png/jpg

You recently reverted my substitution of GoldenBauhiniaSquare.png with the JPEG version GoldenBauhiniaSquare.jpg. I had made the substitution in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Image use policy#Format, which says that photographs should be in JPEG format. There are good technical reasons for this recommendation: for example, the thumbnail at Golden Bauhinia Square takes seven times more bandwidth to download in PNG format than in JPEG format.

I agree that the PNG version looks slightly better at small sizes — this is to some extent due to a recent change to the JPEG thumbnail generator which emphasized compression over quality, perhaps excessively so. Nonetheless, JPEG remains the approriate, and recommended, format for photographic images on Misplaced Pages. If you'd like to see the quality of JPEG thumbnails on Misplaced Pages increased, it would be more productive to propose doing so at WP:VPT rather than replacing JPEG images with PNG versions. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

What vandalism

You "reverted vandalism" with this edit -- yet I don't see any vandalism there... ? --Chris (talk) 08:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Resolution

As a good sign, you should restore the deleted comments and your user talk page, and respond to them. You should also revert the undiscussed and unexplained edits you have made to the many articles across Misplaced Pages, and explain at the corresponding talk pages. Settlements on Misplaced Pages should not be brought private. In my opinion, jau gwei warrants its own article. Finally, I find it offensive to see your reminder at my talk page requesting me not to be offensive, for I've never ever done anything that was offensive to you. — Instantnood 15:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Who's accussing who? You implied I did, and I just meant to clarify I didn't. Permission is never necessary on Misplaced Pages, and I suppose it's generally accepted that when something is disputed, the original state should be restored. You should have proposed it in the discussion page before making edits you already know they're controversial, and you should have known that history of all activities on Misplaced Pages are open to everyone. — Instantnood 14:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

what is vandalism

IMO Instandnood's contribution is not WP:Vandalism . Tobias Conradi (Talk) 00:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

SCMP and U Magazine interview

Hi Alan, I am a HK Wikipedian mostly active at zh: . Two journalists, one from the South China Morning Post and the other from U Magazine, want to interview some HK Wikipedians about our experience at wp. The SCMP interview would be held on this Saturday (29 April) and the location is up to us. While the time and place for the U Magazine interview are not yet confirmed (it would probably in this week also). So are you interested? What time and place would be convenient for you? Thanks a lot :) --Lorenzarius 15:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)