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| :::::Again, official website of the ] or the official London 2012 website or any of the multitude of official Olympic reports released after every Games (and don't claim they just use a shortened version they use the full names of every other team) - ] ].] 06:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | :::::Again, official website of the ] or the official London 2012 website or any of the multitude of official Olympic reports released after every Games (and don't claim they just use a shortened version they use the full names of every other team) - ] ].] 06:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::As I suspected, the issue must be your comprehension of English. I am asking for a source that explicitly states that it's the offical name (or some document that states it's a list of official names, that would do too), and to you that apparently sounds like simply a request for official examples of it being used. I actually have a source from the BOA that explicitly says it's not what you say it is, all you have is a whopping great piece of ] - 'the IOC website uses FYRM, so therefore it must be a list of official names'. It's garbage. ] (]) 12:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Shouldn't the article say when in 2012? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.179.251 (talk) 19:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Kerri-Anne Payne has officially qualified for the 10km open water swimming now. should this be included? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/19/keri-anne-payne-gold-olympics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurt O'Sys (talk • contribs) 13:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Athletics
I removed the numbers in brackets in the athletics section of the page. In my opinion they were misleading, since they exceeded the maximum number of quota places available in many cases. Other X at the 2012 Summer Olympics-pages don't include such numbers either. --Phileasson (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Link
You can find athletes' pb's in 2012 here. 86.163.74.143 (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Edit requests
The following moved from Template talk:Olympics to-do where it was incorrectly asked: --Paul_012 (talk) 16:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Great Britain at the 2012 summer olympics - section 16 JUDO - The correct name of the male juduoka competing at 81kg is Euan Burton. I regret that I am unable to correct this error myself 149.254.234.246 (talk) 04:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Great Britain at the 2012 summer olympics - section 21 SWIMMING - Elizabeth Simmonds has been selected to compete in the women's 100m backstroke (although she is recorded her event is not) I regret that I am unable to make this amendment myself 149.254.187.210 (talk) 04:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Great Britain at the 2012 summer olympics - section 21 SWIMMING - On 27 June the British Olympic Association announced the following additions to their relay teams: Grant Turner (4x100m relay - men); David Carry (4x200m relay - men); Caitlin McClatchey (4x100m relay - women); Rebecca Adlington (4x200m relay - women). However, Lucy Ellis (4x200m relay) was not selected and should be deleted. I regret that I am unable to make these amendments myself. 149.254.180.247 (talk) 05:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Great Britain at the 2012 summer olympics - section 2 ATHLETICS - Shouldn't the list of Athletes be ordered in terms of event and not in alphabetical order as It looks confusing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.150.7 (talk) 21:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Redirect page for "United Kingdom at the 2012 Summer Olympics"
Though United Kingdom is known as "Great Britain" at the Olympics, due to the imposition by some body, it still remains United Kingdom. "United Kingdom at the 2012 Summer Olympics" currently is not redirected, can we have this done? Hope IOC has no issues doing this on Wiki ;-) Jobin 08:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Done - Basement12 (T.C) 08:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Just take objection to imposition by some body, in 1905 when the National Olympic Committee was recogonised by the IOC the common name for the UK was "Great Britain", over time the name has been used as a geographical representation. So no imposition by some outside body as it was the common name and to some degree even today Great Britain is a synonym for the United Kingdom. MilborneOne (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well it's confusing to me. Great Britain is a term that dates from the early 18th Century to refer to the the union of the kingdoms of England and Scotland, geographically the island of Britain (Wales having been absorbed by the English). United Kingdom as a term, in contrast, dates from the 19th Century to refer to the union of Britain and Ireland, but after the Irish War of Independence it was changed to its present iteration, "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The use of Great Britain by the Olympic team made me think that perhaps Northern Ireland was competing on its own or as part of united team with the Irish Republic. Apparently that is not the case. I note that N. Irish golfers compete under their own nationality and flag. Thus I think the term United Kingdom is not being used for security and political reasons to avoid not inflaming passions with the Irish.
- "Great Britain" has never been a synonym for the United Kingdom, as claimed above. "Britain" is indeed a synonym, but not "Great Britain". The official name for the team is actually "Great Britain and Northern Ireland", but it's invariably shortened. I don't think there's any security and political reasons here, incidentally. The term "United Kingdom" is not a politically incorrect one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Actually the full team name is just "Great Britain", it's not a shortened version, there was one Games where the team competed under the name "Great Britain and Ireland" but other than that it's been always been Great Britain despite Northern Irish athletes forming part of the team. It's one of the strange quirks of the IOC that the name has stuck and not been changed - Basement12 (T.C) 18:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- The first line of the above post should be treated as unsubstantiated personal opinion, unless or until Basement12 gets around to answering this post. FerrerFour (talk) 01:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Again, official website of the International Olympic Committee or the official London 2012 website or any of the multitude of official Olympic reports released after every Games (and don't claim they just use a shortened version they use the full names of every other team) - Basement12 (T.C) 06:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- As I suspected, the issue must be your comprehension of English. I am asking for a source that explicitly states that it's the offical name (or some document that states it's a list of official names, that would do too), and to you that apparently sounds like simply a request for official examples of it being used. I actually have a source from the BOA that explicitly says it's not what you say it is, all you have is a whopping great piece of improper synthesis - 'the IOC website uses FYRM, so therefore it must be a list of official names'. It's garbage. FerrerFour (talk) 12:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Actually the full team name is just "Great Britain", it's not a shortened version, there was one Games where the team competed under the name "Great Britain and Ireland" but other than that it's been always been Great Britain despite Northern Irish athletes forming part of the team. It's one of the strange quirks of the IOC that the name has stuck and not been changed - Basement12 (T.C) 18:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- "Great Britain" has never been a synonym for the United Kingdom, as claimed above. "Britain" is indeed a synonym, but not "Great Britain". The official name for the team is actually "Great Britain and Northern Ireland", but it's invariably shortened. I don't think there's any security and political reasons here, incidentally. The term "United Kingdom" is not a politically incorrect one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well it's confusing to me. Great Britain is a term that dates from the early 18th Century to refer to the the union of the kingdoms of England and Scotland, geographically the island of Britain (Wales having been absorbed by the English). United Kingdom as a term, in contrast, dates from the 19th Century to refer to the union of Britain and Ireland, but after the Irish War of Independence it was changed to its present iteration, "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The use of Great Britain by the Olympic team made me think that perhaps Northern Ireland was competing on its own or as part of united team with the Irish Republic. Apparently that is not the case. I note that N. Irish golfers compete under their own nationality and flag. Thus I think the term United Kingdom is not being used for security and political reasons to avoid not inflaming passions with the Irish.
Edits by FerrerFour
Just for a change we have an editor trying to insist that the Great Britain team is in fact called "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and making changes that imply this. I can't make further changes due to 3:RR but for a selection of previous discussions on this subject try here, here, here, here, here and here. For sources that confirm the name is simply "Great Britain" we have the International Olympic Committee , the official London 2012 website and the official Olympic reports for past Games . There are also news articles (, ) with NI polititians calling for a change in the name - Basement12 (T.C) 15:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- I don't much care what the team name is, more than I do about you dumping a whole bunch of other improvement I made on the article, just becuse you disagree on this one issue of the name. But to address the name issue, let's get one thing straight, Great Britain is the common short form name. Nobody disagrees with that. But it's ludicrous to say that that IOC source is a source for the official name. It's merely a page for the team, and just like the London 2012 site, is fully entitled to use a common short form, much like the United Kingdom is almost never referred to by its official long form name of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland anywhere except in legalese. If I were to use a page like this to claim on the UK page that the offical name of the country was just United Kingdom, I would expect to be laughed at, because it's not a source for the claim at all, just evidence of the use of a common short form. Similarly, nowhere on the IOC site or the London 2012 site does it say that Great Britain is the official name, or more importantly that it's not Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The BOA seem quite clear on what the name is, addressing it directly in their FAQ: What is Team GB? Team GB is the Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team. As we already know, that's not accurate if it's merely supposedly a description of where the athletes come from, considring the team also represents Jersey, Gibraltar, etc, so I think their meaning is quite clear, the full and formal name of the 'Olympic Team' of the BOA is Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The news sources are irrelevant, not only do they also not say anything to support your claim that the official name is just Great Britain, they are actually about their objections to the Team GB brand. FerrerFour (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- And just to illustrate how stupid Basement21 is, one of the news sources he's claiming shows the official name is just Great Britain, contains the statement The official name of the UK's Olympic team is 'Team Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Now, I don't personally take that as cast iron proof, given it's just a newspaper, but on the issue of what the "official name" is, it's a better source than simply random idiots like Basement21 pointing at pages on the IOC and London 2012 sites that simply use Great Britain in places where using the longer form would take up most of the page, while singularly failing to provide any evidence that they're provided there as the definitive "official name" (apart from the rather idiotic point that the IOC runs the games. Duh, like I didn't know that!). FerrerFour (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- The IOC website does not use short names (see FYR Macedonia). The name is actually part of a long running argument over Northern Ireland (unsurprisingly). When the Irish Olympic Association was formed they were given responsibility for the whole of the Island of Ireland by the IOC. Given that the IOC run the Olympic games it doesn't matter how much GB refers to itself as GB and NI. Their name when they attend the games is the one that the IOC gives them and if you watched the opening ceremony will have seen the team come in behind a sign saying Great Britain. Eckerslike (talk) 07:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- In a word: Bullshit. The name of the team is not defined by the IOC any more than the name of the UK is defined by the United Nations. The BOA FAQ is the only definitive reference anyone has provided here as a reliable source for what the proper name of the team is. Misplaced Pages can by all means use the IOC name in all relevant articles, for consistency, and the fact it's the common short form name, but to claim that Great Britain is the proper name because the IOC uses it, is just garbage. And that's before we point out that this opinion is based on nothing but conjecture and original research, which is of course not permitted on Misplaced Pages. You, like the idiot before you, seem unable to provide a single reference that states what even the IOC think is Team GB's official name. And as seems to be a theme in this discussion, the news link provided says jack shit about what the name is, and it doesn't even support the claim that the OCI are still responsible for all Irish athletes (which they clearly never were anyway even before the BOA's change). Still, you keep removing all the references supporting GBNI from GB articles if it makes you feel better, we can only speculate on your motives for this vandalism. FerrerFour (talk) 12:29, 29 July 2012 (UTC)