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	Under the "Name" heading, source is cited as saying that the reaction from gamers is generally negative and that Nintendo is aggressively pursuing a non-gamer or casual-gamer market. However, upon reading the article, it seems that the author is trying to defend the new name Wii. If we want to point out criticism by citing others, shouldn't it be from a source that echos this sentiment?		Under the "Name" heading, source is cited as saying that the reaction from gamers is generally negative and that Nintendo is aggressively pursuing a non-gamer or casual-gamer market. However, upon reading the article, it seems that the author is trying to defend the new name Wii. If we want to point out criticism by citing others, shouldn't it be from a source that echos this sentiment?

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			but more topics just keep on coming!
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			Anyway, enjoy the owning!

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-Revive- editing Nintendo Revolution Page

Let me just state this again so we are all on the same page. I think that there should be no more major edits until E3. Mainly so we can actually clean up the page abit befor hand. DivineShadow218 19:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Why would a moratorium on edits help clean up the page? I would think that would delay cleaning it up. Andre (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

There are just a lot of needless edits that wouldn't make this page cleaned up. Most edits between now and e3 will just be needless, unless it is confirmed by Nintendo or a developer (which probably will not happen till E3). What I mean is no more posting Logo's, Specs, game rumors, etc. I think we all could wait till this stuff is confirmed at or around E3. DivineShadow218 21:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

How about a list of things needed to be done (if any)HappyVR 06:37, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

In the talk sure, I suppose I will start on. DivineShadow218 07:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I am new to this but have added rumoured specs, I have only just read what you have put there. However I felt that the specs that have been rumoured from IGN.com are highly unlikely. Even though the ones I have put are proably too optimistic I thought that they at least offered a fairer view on the console from anyone reading this. (I put the quote from the Factor 5 employee) indy2k6

Not allowing any editing until E3 would be against Misplaced Pages's founding policy and thus will not happen. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I am alowing edits, just not BS edits that will conflict with the cleaning up of this article, such as Indy2k6's Specs Edit. His edit was needless now we have to edit it out.DivineShadow218 04:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to know very much about Misplaced Pages. Edits that are "BS" as you so bluntly put it have never been allowed on Misplaced Pages, and preventing edits on any scale (other then by a admin) have never been allowed.--Anthony 11:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I do know plenty about Misplaced Pages, I am just saying that I am trying to clean up this article, as well as a few other people. All I am stating is that there shouldn't be any edits that that put info in the article that doesn't belong per talk. Most of these newbies do not even check, so if info is deleted, moved or reworded, they shouldn't complain about it. As far as cleaning this article up. Any one have suggestions? What should be add befor E3, what needs to be rearange and reworded? DivineShadow218 21:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

What was wrong with my edit, I just added rumoured specs that I thought were far more likely than the ones quoted from IGN. I did state clearly they were rumours. I don't understand how that is BS and the ones quoted from IGN are not. indy2k6

Would you answer my question directly rather than sidestepping the issue. indy2k6

I made a small edit to the technical specifications section adding an audio and video specification that I found in one of my magazines Revolutionize 08:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I suggest we wait for a few days, until the mainstream press have universally reacted to the name. Simply citing popular forums/usenet/IRC as reception is somewhat POV as they aren't de facto official sources. By all means when the main news agencies have posted reports regards the change and their opinion of it we can mention the general fan reactions alongside the press reaction. When the first of the humorous parody flash clips come out I humbly offer they be mentioned too. The name is fairly awful, and childish, prone to puns, sounds improper in conversations - Nintendo seems to think their entire market will simply warm to it over the following few days, it is very unlikely that'll happen. I hope Nintendo consider reverting to the Revolution, as this moniker is a total mistake, one that could cost them millions in revenue. -- D-Katana 20:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Things to be done

Clean up to Prepare for E3
Update Specs once they are confirmed
Add List of confirmed games at E3 on games page
Add Launch Titles to main article with screen shots
Delete rumours after E3
Add what is needed after E3

Well DUH! Like the millions of Nintendo fans aren't already on the ball JayKeaton 20:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Rename Article?

I'm sure this would be quite diffrent but bear with me. When the system gets a final name should the article be renamed as such? I'm suggesting (and expecting to get little or no approval) that this article is kept as such, and the final name be created as a second page.

The Revolution (under my thought process - I'm more then open to suggestions) article would retain all infomation that has to do with the system before it's is/was released, while the article with the final name would contain all final infomation.

To simply rename (and over time) lose so much infomation because it's not "current" seems like such a loss. To lose so much infomation because it's too long also seems like a waste. To create a second article instead of renaming this one would circumvent some rules that otherwise are good, but would... for lack of a better word... destroy all the infomation about Revolution.

I think recording what people thought at one time is sometimes just as importent as what would become reality. Is this one of those times? Maybe. Maybe not.--Anthony 11:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

This is what page moves are for. As long as no one tries a copy-and-paste move nothing will be lost. Earlier when there was a rumor about Nintendo Go being the new title someone tried a copy-and-paste move. That was quickly reverted and now the Nintendo Go article redirects to Nintendo Revolution. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 12:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think yes it's a great idea - not sure how it will go in practice - not sure how keeping a page as a historical archive would go down - could have a page that links to the revolution edit list (set to a certain date/specific edit).
And I certainly think it would be interesting to be able to compare past speculation when the thing is finally released.

HappyVR 16:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

How about this though... We move this intire page to lets say Nintendo (final name here) - Pre-E3 2006 and have a link to it from the confermed info of E3. Or is Archiving it easier?DivineShadow218 21:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, there's no need for archiving or any of that. Once the final name is revealed then this article merely needs to be moved using the Misplaced Pages's move function (NOT copy-and-paste) and the entire page history will be moved along with it. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 12:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you TheKog.--Anthony 20:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Also please don't move the page until Nintendo's actually announces it at E3. Don't just listen to a website, no matter how big they are. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't get why everyone wants to do anything after E3. Sure we will know the name of the system - But it will still be 5 months away before any consumer gets their hands on it, and only shortly before that that the media will get their hands on it. Until the very last minute there are still going to be rumors and infomation. To me "Nintendo Revolution" is the name before the system hits the shelf. The name after people can buy it is whatever Nintendo says it will be at E3.--Anthony 23:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. A name is merely a word that we use to reference a physical item. After the official name of the console is announced at E3, people will not refer to the console as Revolution, it will be referred to by its official name. Likewise, after the official name is announced, the article should be updated appropriately, perhaps leaving a sentence or so saying the console was codenamed Revolution. After E3, there is no "Revolution" (well, unless they happen to pull the 'ha, the code name is the official name' trick) anymore, it will be confidential information blacked out. The article should be moved appropriately post-E3 and "Nintendo Revolution" should point to the article's new location. Zebov 23:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

This user is 100% right. Most likely once Nintendo officially announces the name the page will be moved in a matter of minutes. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Also when people search for this console on Misplaced Pages they will be looking for Nintendo "Whatever Nintendo decides to name it" and not Revolution anymore. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

About not listening to a website... You have to make an aception to the Nintendo Website and that is it. If it is on the Nintendo Site, then it has to be offical DivineShadow218 22:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Biased

"While Rareware Titles are with out a doubt among the biggest titles for Nintendo they will not appear in the Revolution's Virtual Console lineup."

Not necessarily! I would perfer Earthbound or LoZ or SMB. This seems a little biased, I will change it to

"Rareware Titles will not appear in the Revolution's Virtual Console lineup."

http://www.dsrevolution.com/article.php?articleid=1030

im not too good at editing wikipedia, but this is a pretty major thing, someone should add it in the artical.

Except they are "with out a doubt among the biggest titles for Nintendo". If nothing else sales prove this.--Anthony 02:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii

The name of the console is Wii http://revolution.nintendo.com/ 12.219.74.52 16:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Was about to update the page when i saw someone had already beaten me to it. props for the really quick action :D. DevAnubis 17:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I was actually about to move it back since Nintendo Wii looked like a vandalism move, but luckily I did a quick Google news search on it and there was a Reuter's story about it. Wii is definitely not what I was expecting as a name. :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Other than the entry title, we need to revert then Revolution -> Wii changes in the entry. For instance, announcements made prior to the "Wii" newsflash should still refer to "Revolution", but announcements made afterwards refer to the "Wii". Basically, individual pieces of information should refer to whichever name showed up in the press release, interview, or new leak.

Can other editors comment on this style guide? If we don't revert it now it will be impossible to keep track of the basic timeline of news releases and rumors. People will go like, oh look, it seems the Wii had people guessing that its controllers are touchpads--when in fact the massive speculation is much earlier in history.

Asdfff 17:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo's site is currently crushed. We will have to wait until Nintendo updates all its links to update used ones (if any). -- ReyBrujo 17:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it's because no one can believe Nintendo would use such a stupid name, so they check the official site to make sure it's not a hoax. This article should mention the massively negative reaction to the name in pretty much every site and forum on the 'net! - Stormwatch 18:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's really needed. Just because those that don't like the name are the loudest or most outspoken doesn't mean they're the majority. I personally don't mind the name, but I'm not going to go to every single Nintendo-related forum and post "OMG! I'm indifferent to teh name change!!!1!1". --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Could I suggest in a few days time we maybe add a "Critisms" section to the article including details of fans problems with the names? I've just been on the Nintendo Europe forum and there seems to be alot of pissed off people out there. SeumasS 18:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Think about it this way, if someone likes the name, would they rush out and express that on a forum? This is just normal knee-jerk reaction to a change. Everyone's trying to be the first to make a witty comment about it on forums. Don't forget, if you want to add a criticisms section it has to also be verifiable. At least Nintendo's not just sticking a number on the end unlike some other consoles. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Though I've not heard it myself, I've seen reports across forae and blogs that BBC Radio One immediately started ridiculing the name- taking the Wii, if you will- could anybody find any supporting articles for this, and is it worth mentioning as 'reaction'? Liam Plested 23:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

A quick Google search reveals no matches for "bbc radio nintendo wii" yet. -- ReyBrujo 05:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just found out that the Japanese kanji "位" (ichii) translates to "first place" and the informal pronunciation sounds quite like "wii", in addition of the word "いい" (ii) that means good and is pronounced similar to "wii". Maybe that could be another pun (other than whee and we). Please try to confirm this yourselfs. greekalien 09:33, 28 April 2006 (EEST)

It's also a homophone of Oui, which is French for yes. smurrayinchester 08:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm "いい" is good, but I don't know about 位. -- ReyBrujo 12:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

2 notable online polls.. joystiq.com and gamefaqs.com both have people liking the name as a small miniority, even on the Nintendo official forums people are confused and annoyed. Perhaps the initial hatred of the name could make an appearance in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.108.204 (talk • contribs) .

Im sorry, when random fanboys on forum talk about something it should be ignored and not be in a Misplaced Pages article but the problem is its not the people on the forums that hate it. The people work at GameSpot and IGN and other big gaming websites hate it. There are alot of big news articles that talk about it and how they hate the name, its not just forum talk anymore, so that means the back lash should mentioned in the Misplaced Pages Article. Look at it this way the article about Snakes On A Plane talk about people making fun its name and thats only forum talk. The Wii name is every were and people hate it. Some people like it but most people hate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.124.224.116 (talk • contribs) .

If you're going to add anything to the article, just make sure it's verifiable. Also, please remember to sign your posts. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 15:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Copy-and-paste moves

Everyone, please be on the look-out for copy-and-paste moves like with List of Nintendo Wii games. If you find a c&p move remember to tag it with {{db-histmerge|(original name of article)}} to get the page properly merged. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii Vandalism

There's clearly vandalism going on throughout the article. I just made a small change.

Example:

"However" was changed to "howiiver".

I just noticed it after hearing about the name change. Mitch 18:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

82.34.99.6 (talk • contribs) is the one that did it. The user replaced all instances of "we" with "wii". Is there a way to undo this edit while keeping the other good edits? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've put in a Request for Semiprotection ~~until this gets sorted out at E3~~. Nifboy 18:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You did beat me there. I was adding some history changes to probe the current rate of vandalism. -- ReyBrujo 18:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Alas, I would have requested only for 24 hours, and then a week. Not a full month. -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. I honestly don't think the rate of vandalism will slow down significantly between now and E3, though. Nifboy 18:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Nor me. But it is better to protect for 24 hours to discourage people who comes here following link announcements. I expect this weekend to be hell, but it would be easier to manage than now, with one change per minute (which makes edition impossible as your versions are always clashing with others', and you need to see if no vandalism has been inserted). -- ReyBrujo 18:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Article is now semi-protected from unregistered and new users. K1Bond007 19:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think K1 meant to say "now" semi-protected. :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Doh :( K1Bond007 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wii...no...

someone should add in this article about the bad reception it got from gamers everywhere! CNN had an article that said something about one game critic saying it was the "worst console name ever", and a online petition was made to change it back to revolution since the name wii is horrible, and in less than 30 minutes what do you get? More than 200 people in it!

>x<ino 18:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

so this is real? - Malomeat 18:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for Misplaced Pages to include any discussion of the name's quality at any point. Misplaced Pages isn't a place for forum trolls (read: anyone at Gamespot) or biased fanboys. I can't believe how shallow the gaming populous is. It's a NAME, and it's a damn good one. Any name that generates this much discussion is going to create just as much hype - period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.49.220.19 (talk • contribs) .

I agree with 216.49.220.19. Keep the discussion away. Collect information for a criticism section, but please don't try to recruit nor bring people here to probe your point, Xino. People didn't like the Nintendo DS as it looked ugly. People didn't like DS games as they were going to be gimmicks. People didn't like Revolution as it would be underpowered. People didn't like the controller as it is different. Let me tell you the secret of life: People is never happy. -- ReyBrujo 19:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this isn't meant for the main article. It's too POV. As dumb as I think the name is, we don't need to make the page say "LAWL TIHS NAEM IS TEH SUXX0RZ SO GO BYE TEH XBAWX 360!!!11!!!!1". Perhaps the petition could be mentioned in the external links, but we shouldn't have give this name backlash more than one sentence, if we mention it at all. And we would need to keep it completely NPOV. --71.225.64.232 20:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The petition cannot be mentioned unless it is notable enough. -- ReyBrujo 20:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I do agree that wikipedia isn't a place for us to say if the name is good or crap, but still, the reception it got should be mentioned, and it was mostly negative...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.150.78.83 (talk • contribs) .

Perhaps we should have "reaction to the name" section where we can begin with the knee-jerk Internet forum reaction and then move onto industry, media (both game and mainstream), and person-on-the-street reactions as they trickle in? Internet gaming forums seem like far too much of a microcosm to be relevant to the Misplaced Pages article, but the name is so unorthodox it might be worthwhile to survey all reactions for a short paragraph, and begin with the forum reactions because that's all we'll get until tomorrow's news cycle.

I think we should wait a bit before we add a reception section; it's much too early, I think. 71.96.234.140 20:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, let's be clear. "Consumers" aren't fueling the backlash against the Wii name. The backlash is in Internet gaming forums, an important source for gauging consumer opinion but skewed in its own way towards extreme enthusiasts. "Consumers" largely don't know about it yet, since the name has been confirmed for less than twelve hours.

A good model for recording the reaction to the name would be: first, Internet forum reactions, then videgame media reactions, then mainstream media reactions, then the reaction from the masses. Misplaced Pages isn't here to document the ebb and flow of Internet gaming forums, but the discussion taking place on Internet boards is important insofar as in that it is the first reaction that the masses have to breaking news, and an important socialogical indicator as it represents what the enthusiastic and opinionated hard-core gamers think and are willing to share. But, it shouldn't be construed to be any more relevant than that.

And please, stop adding sentences about urine. That's inappropriate for this space, not in the sense that Misplaced Pages shouldn't discuss bodily functions, but it isn't something this is relevant or needs to be pointed out (in fact, it's vulgar for its own sake). I think it would be more appropriate to state that the criticism is that Nintendo is giving their console a "childish" or "ridiculous" name, rather than one that is homophonous with common slang for urine. You don't need to defile a page about a videogame console by linking it to a page about a bodily function. 209.152.48.200 21:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

So how long should we wait before including talk of the name controversy (if it amounts to more than just a loud but minor outburst?) I think there are enough people (me included) who hate the name but if the system has a good outing at E3 then people will probably adjust to the name better. On the other hand, if the name controversy gets hot enough it could change things. Lord knows I hope it does but I wouldn't want POV to slaughter Misplaced Pages over something superficial. --Ryuukuro 04:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It is already possible to do a very early one. I rewrote the section to something like this (before it was again modified and ultimately deleted):

OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, you weaklings missed your chance! MY GOD, IT WAS FUNNY YESTERDAY
OWNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG, OWNAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEE, OWNEDDDDDDDD, PWNNNNNNNNNNNNNED! What ever you all call it, the name got owned to death!

212.219.190.130 09:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)|

Wait, so how does other pages such as Sony etc. get a part for "Criticsms", but Nintendo doesn't?

Criticism

The name change was initially met with considerable backlash from consumers – as noted in articles on CNN, ABC, and MTV.

However, we should first begin a collection of journalism feedback. Those three links are neutral, they just checked forums and boards around and described what was happening. So far, editors of the Gamespy, 1Up, IGN, Gamespot and 4 color rebellion had written their opinions. From them all, I believe the best source is the one from Gamespot, as they have interviewed real game analysts (yes, the ones that usually predict PS3 production costs at USD 900, PSP becoming the best selling handheld console, etc, etc). -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Revolution in other articles

Click here and you will see all the pages that link to Nintendo Revolution (redirect to this article). You may want to update these pages with Nintendo Wii. Be sure to make a note in the edit summary because the name does sound wacky. --Thorpe | talk 19:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I went through that list about an hour ago and I think I at least fixed all the double redirects that were created in the page move; however, there were at least one hundred more articles that still link to Nintendo Revolution. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 20:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I took care of lots more, but for now I'm leaving the User- and Talk-pages. Do you think it's wise to not do anything about them since the User-pages are someone elses private writings, and the Talk-pages were written as comments to what was known at the time? — Scarless 04:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no need to modify Talk or User pages, don't worry. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps we should edit the talk pages, but leave all content the same and have the link Nintendo Revolution redirect to Nintendo Wii? Or does the Revolution article autoredirect to Wii already?

The Revolution page already redirects to the Wii page. And it wouldn't be very clever to have other Wiki articles talking about the Revolution when it's not the Revolution anymore. Steel359 19:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Press feedback

The criticism section stated that both the gamers and press were critics, giving three links for CNN, ABC, and MTV as references. However, none had expressed an opinion, they just reproduced the general feeling about this. I have removed the links but posted them here for anyone to quickly check. If you think I was wrong, please discuss :) -- ReyBrujo 21:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Search?

The question is: why does neither "Wii" nor "Nintendo Wii" find this page, but "Nintendo Revolution" works okay?

Works for me72.56.10.196 21:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Not "Nintendo Wii", but "Wii".

The official full name of the 'cube has been the "Nintendo GameCube". But, if you look at the various public statements and PR materials, it all mentions "Wii" in isolation. I'm not going to move the page now, but the proper location, and the proper way to refer to the console in this article, would be "Wii", not "Nintendo Wii", i think. Or to to quote Nintendo of America's Public Relation Manager Matt Atwood :

"There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii."

So, I'd suggest that the page gets moved to Vii, if no one disagrees. --Codemonkey 21:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be right. Jedi6-(need help?) 22:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The page seems to have been moved back with no explanation other than promotional materials. But everything I've seen has it as just Wii, including the statement when Nintendo announced the title and the link above. What does everyone else? Jedi6-(need help?) 00:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted the move. If anyone has serious objections to "Wii", instead of "Nintendo Wii", he should be able to argue his case here first. Looking at the press release (I've a press login, not sure if you can read it without one), everything there is "Wii" without the "Nintendo" there too, including the logo. --Codemonkey 00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Or so I did, but someone moved it back again... grumble. I'll move it back again. --Codemonkey 00:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

In that case, someone needs to get a new picture of the Wii logo, minus the Nintendo. I don't ever recall seeing a Wii logo with Nintendo above it anyway.--buckeyes1186 04:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Buckeyes about removing the Nintendo from the Wii logo in the article. Dionyseus 04:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I just mocked up a new logo. (Took the old one, removed Nintendo logo, recentered.) ih8evilstuff 04:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that is should be Nintendo Wii. if you look at it, it started with the Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Super Nintendo Entertainment System, then the Nintendo 64, then the Nintendo Gamecube (or Gamecube Nintendo in some places), so lets keep it going with Nintendo being in the name.DivineShadow218 08:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW... all the Nintendo consle pages on Wiki all have Nintendo in the title... Every one even the NINTENDO Gamecube, so I think this page should be intitled Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that the Gamecube is called the "Nintendo Gamecube" by Nintendo. Nintendo have specifically stated that it is not the Nintendo Wii, but just Wii. In the same way, the article on Xbox is at Xbox, not Microsoft Xbox. smurrayinchester 08:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

they are talking about the name of the consle... the code name was Revolution, but people still called it the Nintendo Revolution. Same thing with the Dolphin... it was a code name... but turned out to be the Gamecube. Just the fact that 'Wii' is a product from Nintendo, I still think the article should be title Nintendo Wii, just like every other nintendo consle page on Wiki. Just read this artile on Punch Jump http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=2361, Everyone is starting to call it the Nintendo Wii.DivineShadow218 09:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

here are some more articles callin it Nintendo Wii, http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/4/27-58, http://www.revolutionreport.com/index.php?act=articles&code=read&id=409, http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/27/nintendo-wii-the-revolution-gets-a-real-name/, http://www.cubed3.com/news/4994, http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Weekend/2006/04/28/1554796-sun.html, http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/2006/04/wii_the_revolution_volte_face.php, http://www.fragland.net/news.php?id=13400, http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/703/703669p1.html. How meny more sources do you want that call it the Nintendo Wii?? DivineShadow218 09:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I would completely agree with you DivineShadow except for the fact that Nintendo explicitly stated that the console is not Nintendo Wii, but simply Wii. Nintendo has never done this with any of their other consoles. Give it some time, if in a few weeks people have overridden Nintendo's high expectations by prefacing Wii with Nintendo, then I agree the article should change its name to the common reference. However, right now, official Nintendo reports have precedence over any forums or third-party naming conventions (less the article be titled Nintendo Weewee or something like I have seen all over the place). Zebov 09:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I some what agree with you Zebov... they explicedly said no to the Revolution and and the new name being Wii... they did not disclose anything about Nintendo Wii... Just Revolution. DivineShadow218 20:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Page Move

I have blocked the ability to move this page because of the back and forth moving between Wii and Nintendo Wii. If you want the paged moved please use the talk page first. Jedi6-(need help?) 01:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It should stay as Nintendo Wii. All other consoles go by the company name then the console name. Wii is no different. IceDrake523 02:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Not all other consoles, e.g. see Playstation. And if you want to get Nintendo specific, Nintendo made their name explicitly part of all their previous console names. Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo Enternainment System, Nintendo 64, and Nintendo GameCube. They still, even in the Wii press release, consistently refer to the 'cube as "Nintendo GameCube". They did not do this for the Wii, implicitly or explicitly. If it was called the "Nintendo Wii" they would refer to it as such, like they do with "Nintendo GameCube". They don't. And in fact, they have explicitly said that "There is no Nintendo Wii. It’s just Wii" . --Codemonkey 02:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

All the console names you cited have "Nintendo" officially included as part of the console name. This is not so for "Wii". Nintendo has decided to break with their own trend to include their name in their consoles' names. Saying that they did include "Nintendo" in all four past consoles doesn't make it any less true that they've decided to stop doing this for their fifth one. --Codemonkey 10:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

From this interview, it is clear that the name is Wii, without Nintendo tag. Quoted:

Atwood: What I like about it is, it’s not about abbreviating anything.
There will be no abbreviation needed. There is no Nintendo Wii. 
It’s just Wii.  It’s a very inclusive name in that respect.

--RockyMM 16:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

A simple explanation

This is what happens when executives are all sitting in the board room, and no one has the guts to say "Sir, that is a terrible idea." Liu Bei 03:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this mentioned in the article yet? Jedi6-(need help?) 04:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

No, we of course need more information on what went on behind the scenes of this decision before it would be sensible to speculate. If my supposition is valid, then linking it to other well-known instances of groupthink may be prudent. (For example, New Coke) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liu Bei (talk • contribs) .

Jedi's question isn't about your comment, it looks like you copied and pasted it there yourself. See below, the exact same comment with the exact same timestamp, but there Jedi is asking if the Japanese origin of the name is in the article yet. I believe that was Jedi's original comment, not the above one. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 14:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

If it were a board member's decision, people would say "individual eccentric". If it were a joint decision, people would say "this is what happens when you make decisions by committee"... Ashibaka tock 03:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Since Nintendo comes from Japan, they realized something very few others did: Revolution (レボリューション, reboryōshon) is not easy to pronounce in Japanese. Wii, on the contrary, is universally easy to remember. As it is said in Game|Life (which also states about the Revolution being a hard name for Japanese): Is it a homophone for a British slang word that means "urine"? Yes. But so is the first-person plural pronoun. If I said, "What are we doing tonight," would you repeat back to me, "What are wee doing tonight? Huh? Huh? Get it?" I would wonder what the hell your problem is, quite frankly. Oh, well. -- ReyBrujo 03:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this mentioned in the article yet? Jedi6-(need help?) 04:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

So far, no. While Chris Kohler is a notable journalist (he was invited to test the Wii controller at a private event in US) and (seemly) has a very good knowledge about japanese , it is just his personal opinion posted in a blog, which is another of my weakest points in Misplaced Pages. -- ReyBrujo 04:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The difference being, of course, that the homophone "Wii" is a proper noun, which makes it in the minds of the immature, a closer approximation to the common noun "wee" (as in urinate) than the pronoun "we". I notice no-one is associating it with the Scottish "wee" as in small, though. Rockpocket (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Please Remember

The purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the article in question. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play. Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. If any discussion about the topic and not the article it will be removed. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

My apologies Zebov 09:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Removing "the" prefix?

It's hard to give that a fitting title, but my query is this: Because of how the system is named, would it make more sense to refer to it as "The Wii" or just "Wii"? It feels more natural to me to call the system "Wii" rather than add "the" in front of it each time. Is that just a wierd quirk with me and "the Wii" remains accurate or would it be ok to just call the system "Wii"? An example:

Under Confirmed Hardware: Design: "Wii is the smallest stationary console Nintendo has ever manufactured, described by Nintendo as being "about the thickness of three standard DVD cases and only slightly longer"."

While under the heading just below it says under the "Controller" heading: "The Wii controller sets aside the traditional controller seen in other mainstream consoles in an attempt to appeal to a larger audience."

I think there should be some consitency. Thoughts? --Ritz 07:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Nintendo says, but other articles use "The" (The Playstation, The Xbox, The DS). Incidently, your second example should have a "The" anyway, since it refers to "the "Wii Controller"", not ""The Wii" controller". smurrayinchester 08:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the The... whould not be removed... we are talking about the consle... you wouldnt say 'Consles controller...' but 'The consles controller...'DivineShadow218 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Locked Page

Why dont we keep this page locked for a wee so once E3 comes around, people can edit oncemore. DivineShadow218 07:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

24 hours first, check if the vandalism continues, and lock it again if so. That is usually what is done. -- ReyBrujo 12:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Added two analysts opinion on the name

I just added two analysts opinion on the name of Wii which comes from the GameSpot article (Reference #7 in the Reference list) which supports the view of many people that the name is "stupid," one analyst has even stated that the renaming of Revolution to Wii is a "bad stupid move" for Nintendo and argued that Nintendo should've kept Revolution because it's a "evocative, well-accepted name that people have been using for well over a year." KSweeley 08:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section

This section seems to have gotten very long, and many of the 'facts' are untrue (the syllable "We" is perfectly pronouncable in Japanese as ウェ (We) and ウィ (Wi) are syllables in Katakana, and the Japanese Misplaced Pages uses ウィー (Wii) as an acceptable transliteration), and it reads like a rant ("Many claim that this “stupid” name will be detrimental to Nintendo’s sales"). Most of this needs to go. smurrayinchester 08:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name

Is it absolutely necessary to have a link to intercourse in the first section of an article about a game console? In fact the whole passage about fad names makes little sense in the article. Needs rewriting if not deletion. --Richmeister 11:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Name section...

Some people, including some who dislike the name, point out that fads often have strange, even ridiculous sounding names. The main example is the iPod, which endured harsh criticism when it was first released, but nowadays few people give its name a second thought. Two examples which are less often pointed to, but are worth mentioning, are those of Jazz and Rock N’ Roll. Both of these, despite the fact they were originally slang terms referring to the act of intercourse, are now central aspects to American culture.

That doesnt really need to be there... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.165.41.189 (talk • contribs) .

Industry Critisism of name change

IGN.com flatly told Nintendo of the dissapproval of the name change in an interview here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ben414 (talk • contribs) .

Citation is Misleading

Under the "Name" heading, source is cited as saying that the reaction from gamers is generally negative and that Nintendo is aggressively pursuing a non-gamer or casual-gamer market. However, upon reading the article, it seems that the author is trying to defend the new name Wii. If we want to point out criticism by citing others, shouldn't it be from a source that echos this sentiment?

Self Owanage!

This link is for the incident of the ownage,...when Nintendo self owned their fAns, and them! If you know what I am talking about without hisitate, click away! if not! The console you knew before: Nintendo Revolution, is now called Wii, that;s the official name:

Kiwii:P

Duck Hunt Revolution/Wii

This is a killer!

lol,....owning:P

owining child

Wii Wii