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		The Editor's Barnstar
		Thank you for all your great work. I am very glad you didn't leave us last year and decided to keep going, despite everything. Span (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Seems we also share an interest in jazz and music. Appreciate your cleanup work on jazz musicians and such. Well done! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, but I'm only ever "tarting up a bit". My tastes are rather wide, not to say occasionally unconventional! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You might be interested in Henry Milbourne and Hilston Park. Glad to meet you. I do a lot of work with User:Rosiestep and will be happy to nominate you also with Llanrothean, The Cwm and anything you help with for DYK! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, Blowers. Remember Llanwrthwl? I am very intrigued by Hilston Park, as I have never heard much about it, despite being a Gwent lad born and bred. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, I had forgotten actually and that I met you on that but your user name had something familiar about it! I'm a Vale of Glamorganer myself. Don't worry about the links to wrong names, those can be dabbed later!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries at all. It's a dab feeding-frenzy, as far as I'm concerned! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Some might not be notable so best to do check one at a time I think. Just been looking at the High Sheriff of Monmouthshire and HIgh Sheriff of Glamorgan lists. They are extremely valuable for spotting old country estates. I found lots of people from local villages and no doubt to research their biographies would turn up a great deal of fascinating local history stuff. Must do some sometime.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I feel better now. KJP1 (talk) 07:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Got an annoying 'anon'

Hey there,

On the "Drive (2011)" page, in the past day there have been editors changing the genre of the film completely when previously it was Action with either Drama or Romance in at certain times, or all of them. The 'anon' with an IP "187.35.39.81" has claimed that I am genre warrior even though I'm putting it back to how it's been for ages on the Wiki page. After putting it back earlier he has once again reverted my edit and says he will report me, him anon who will report me for putting the genre back to what its been for a while and everyone before was happy with it. I have started a new section on Drive's talk page as because he isn't registered I can't message him directly. Could you please assist me with this annoying 'anon'.

Thank youCharlr6 (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look. You seem to get more than your fair share of annoying anons. Sometimes you must feel as if you are "alone in the universe", sob. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Guess you're almost as annoyed with that misleading billing as that "Michigan woman named Sarah Deming"... ! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, very. Haha. Charlr6 (talk) 23:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Angel Hotel, Monmouth

Dear MartinEvans Are you sure about the history section? Apart from having no references, it doesn't appear to be true. The dates, for example, for Edward the First and his brother are hundreds of years before the 1640s. I strongly suspect much is a spoof. KJP1 (talk) 13:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Re-reading it, I suppose if the second and the third sentences were transposed, it could almost be right. But it still seems rather unencyclopedic, focusing on "odd tales" and with no citations. KJP1 (talk) 13:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Your stalker here! I've taken out the misplaced sentence, to make it clearer. I could comment further about the validity and encyclopedic-ness of much of the Heritage Trail leaflet .... but I might upset some people if I did! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Whoah! I just tweaked the image caption and added two links! That's my input to date here, haha. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, when I carefully reviewed the history, as I should have done at the outset, I saw the author of the section, who is, I think, the author of much of the content of the Blue Plaque guide. KJP1 (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"when a disgruntled jockey, who had been beaten at Monmouth Races, tried to set fire to the winning horse"; was he really trying to set fire to the horse, as opposed to the stable in which it was kept? KJP1 (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Rofl. A gem. And he might have stood a chance of winning if he'd actually been on a horse himself. Shame that it wasn't filmed. (I always use a box of swans myslelf, but the feathers make such a mess!) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

As Ghmyrtle says, whilst the enthusiasm of the Monmouthpedians is great, they don't always "get" Misplaced Pages. Down to Monmouth again this weekend so shall make another attempt to enter St Mary's and get a few good interior shots. KJP1 (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"St Guy of the Villa", as I prefer to call him, is a boundless source of commonsense. As you may know, I would not be here any more, but for him. I think I know what he means. We can but strive to be the wiki-ying to the monmouth-yang. St Mary's was rather gloomy last time I visited, but still worthwhile - take a camera and get that firebell, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Wyastone Leys

Wahh! massive edit conflict! If you like, I'll try to take on board your changes into my version....  ?? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

You must have been doing a slow global revision? Please do however you wish. I have just been tweaking away and I'm sure any chnages you have made would be fine by me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to balance my feelings of "Isn't it great to have all these new editors contributing new articles", against my feelings of "OMG what is going on with this....?!" Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I know exactly what you mean. It's all a question of yin and yang, my dear chap. But think I'll just retire now for the evening, while the going's good. Will try and get a photo of that Bannerman monument when I can, but it may not last long in a gallery! I thought that one geograph image, so easily discarded, was quite stunning). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Kett's Rebellion

Thanks for the encouraging words. I might summarize the demands, as I think the list is rather lengthy. Perhaps I can find a link somewhere.Southdevonian (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Photos

Thanks for personally taking the photos! One thing though can you locate the house here (you might want to click bing maps with label on the left to get your bearings) and jot down the exact coordinates for the infobox? Cheers!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is that start view? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

To the southeast of Llanrothal. Llanrothal is the small village you can see to the northwest of the cross. If you'd followed my instruction to click on the bing map thing with labels on the left and zoom out you'd see the places labelled..♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Tut tut. Silly me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

That looks like it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Spot on. It's not really "in" Llanrothal at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Nearer Welsh Newton!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:57, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, much. You might also like to know that the next property along the road, towards Welsh Newton, and which looks a lot like a late Victorian vicarage, is called "The Nunnery". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hilston Park

On 22 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hilston Park, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a fire destroyed the house at Hilston Park, Monmouthshire in 1838 and a Palladian mansion was built to replace it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hilston Park.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Fortunately, I think most of the errors I introduced into that article were corrected by Ghm! But still plenty of red links left to hunt down. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

If they're notable....!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I've got to get to my 38,000 articles somehow !! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Ganarew

What do you think about the suggestion of setting St Swithin's up as its own article? I think we could still gather enough for Ganarew village. Do you know a house called Sallersbrook - the image in Commons looks interesting.

Pevsner gives it a small mention. KJP1 (talk) 11:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know Sallersbrooke at all, but drove past it on my way to Lewstone - in fact, I think it may be in Lewstone as opposed to Ganarew. The house itself is tucked away, but it's obvious that one is driving past quite a grand estate. There are very old farm buiildings up the road at Lewstone - I'm surprised some if them are not listed. Your plan for Ganarew sounds very ambitous! But I'm sure there's more that could be added about Vortigen. And thanks for your attention to detail here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's the Doward Hotel from BLBO, the description certainly sounds right. "c1800, altered C20 Painted brick, C20 tiled roof. Sash windows throughout, C20 bow window extension on ground floor to right of entrance; Tuscan portico, plain fanlight and C20 6 panelled door." But it's not a hotel anymore, at least not one I can find on Google. I'll ask User talk:Rosiestep to take St Swithin to its own page and then we can play around adding to Ganarew. The cave looks superbly spooky! KJP1 (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Certainly no longer a hotel (but I guess the cave would be cheaper). Quite happy to put St Swithin on its own. But I'd like to get the bottom of "St Luke`s". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

These are of Lewstone:

. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Nominated for DYK and presumably for Monmouthpedia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, "Blowers". I don't keep very close track of these things, but it's useful if only to advertise to others what one is interested in. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

William Burges

You've hit upon my other passion! Aside from Monmouthpedia and anything vaguely Monmouthshire in the architecture field. Many thanks for your help - one day (soon) we'll try this for FA. Ganarew is looking great, I thought I'd need to add when the church moved but you've done it already. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

You can thank Rosiestep for her wonderful efforts at Ganarew. I have visted Castell Coch only once, whilst still a very young schoolboy - that single experience will stay with me for the rest of my life. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

"Personal life: but where is it?". In what sense? Do you think there's not enough? He's a little documented architect and there's little available as to what made him tick. Beyond drink, opium, ratting, chatting and architecture. Not sure there's much more to add. KJP1 (talk) 21:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

No, just that picture - "Burges as architect, by Edward John Poynter" - where is it?! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

"that single experience will stay with me for the rest of my life." I felt like that when I first saw his work, as a schoolboy, at Cardiff Castle. He is truly amazing. That's why he deserves an FA. KJP1 (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Totally and utterly agree. Second only to William Morris in my book. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

"Second only to William Morris"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you're just trying to wind me up. The picture is "a photograph of a painting of William Burges, dressed as an architect. The painting appears in a panel of the Yatman Cabinet designed by Burges, and was painted by artist Edward John Poynter. It dates from 1858. The cabinet is in the collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum in London." OK, you prefer Morris if you must. KJP1 (talk) 22:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm so pleased that architecture is such a dispassionate subject, aren't you. Someone has to design wallpaper, you know, haha! Maybe a date and a link to the V&A in the caption? (Someone has to tidy the links in image captions, you know, haha). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

But the links are great. Burges designs a brooch as a wedding present for John Pollard Seddon, who works with John Prichard, who designs the Church of St Swithin, Ganarew. Perfect. KJP1 (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

That's just amazing. You've just summed up for me what this project is all about. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

It is so good to see other people on here know exactly how to build wikipedia and what it is truly about and that contrary to the thoughts of many, the site is not about who lectures and scolds or blocks the most individuals. The chain link article creation thing is in my opinion the best way yo build wikipedia and often turns up some highly interesting connections. To create an article create a red link, blue link it and create further red links etc it definitely the best way.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Nominated with King Arthur's Cave ‎ .♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Blowers, that is just incredible! You are the epitome of what Misplaced Pages should be about! One tiny wave of Merlins Magic Wand and within the hour a superb new article appears. Superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! We could also fit an article on The Doward in. Probably Little and Great Doward could be redirected into it with a summary of each hamlet. The Doward appears to be a historical wooded area as a whole and appears to have a lot that could be written. I might look at that tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure you are right. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

"quite a big mirror"

On reflection, that could shed light on the development of Pamela Anderson's problem.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

"And ya don't get many ghosts as "well racked" as that" (as our dear American cousins migbt say). I'm heartily reminded of that old Yankee folk tune "Wet T-Shirt Night", sung in such a spirited manner by that very engaging Mr Zappa (God rest his soul)! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's true to say that Ms Anderson received more than her Portion Controlled Serving... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Haha, rofl! (yet again, "sob") Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

lo'

Wasn't sure if to post here or my talk page, so I chose here! Anyway, yeah I just did a manual archive :) it's no big deal, I just saw the topics were pretty stale (~1 month) and thought, "Why not?" but it's easily challenged without issue, so feel free to revert if you wish :) --Τασουλα (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Τασουλα. I'm never too sure how to say your user name! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem! And it's Greek origin and I have no idea how to pronounce it either! and my former nickname here of Nutthida is a Thai name, :) --Τασουλα (talk) 22:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Tassoola! Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Llanrothal

On 27 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Llanrothal, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Cwm in Llanrothal, a college on the Monmouthshire–Herefordshire border, was a "stronghold" of Roman Catholics like Henry Milbourne in the 17th century? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Milbourne

On 27 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henry Milbourne, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Cwm in Llanrothal, a college on the Monmouthshire–Herefordshire border, was a "stronghold" of Roman Catholics like Henry Milbourne in the 17th century? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Groucho!

...That's funny! "Are you a corrupt politician...or am I being redundant"...of course! Are there any other kind? Nice.--MONGO 02:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Poor Hgh is still having a hard time, I'm sorry to see. I keep trying to get people to see the funny side, but I know that's hard when you're embroiled like that. I'm sure Wikipedans are far superior compared with politicians, aren't they. I mean, they're never after your vote, are they, haha!? And poor Jimbo - he never gets any votes and someimes, it seems, he has a very tough job to do, as presumed final referee to a million edit disputes. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Machen image

So, you've finally inspired lazy me to upload an image of Machen with a fair-use rationale and put it in the infobox. Let's see if it sticks. Deor (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, that's marvelous. And I do hope it does stick, because it makes the article look 100% better (although I do love my decoration)! What a superb image. I'm sure you'll soon find the dustjackets too, for all those book articles, haha (I might even be able to find one or two myself). I wonder if Pwimageglow could be persuaded to nip over to Caerleon with his camera again, to get one of the blue plaque! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Bamber

Hi Martin, the Daily Mail story got this wrong. There is no appeal at the moment (there is a submission to the CCRC asking for an appeal). I think they mixed up a new report with one several years old from his previous appeal. Anyway, this is the story from the Guardian. Cheers, SlimVirgin 20:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, SV. I'm glad that someone was watching, and guess what - I had hoped it might be you (from the edit history there)! I must admit I was a bit surprised that only the Daily Snail had reported this. I must keep reminding myself, in future, to appropriately "respect" their journalistic standards. Crumbs, what rubbbish, it seems. Where did "on the sixth day" come from? that sounds quite definite. But does the comment in the Guardian article warrant an addition/ new section? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

("Daily Snail" - haven't heard that one before. I like Daily Misery myself, in acknowledgement of their joyous outlook on just about everything....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Did someone mention DIANA!!! now that was a TRAGEDY! and VERY VERY suspicious... if we could just go on and on about it, ad infinitum, into the next millenium maybe, etc etc .....? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

One must remember - those poor readers who occupy the upper socio-economic groups of one of the richest countries in the world, they like to be assured that life is indeed awful.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I am guessing that a reporter not familiar with the case was asked to write a story about the latest evidence. He pulled up material from the files about "Jeremy Bamber appeal" and got stories about his last appeal in 2002 mixed up with this new report from Bamber's lawyers. As for where day six came from, I have no idea.

I got a fright myself when I read your edit because I've been following this story closely, and for a split second thought, "oh my god, not only has an appeal been allowed, but it's in its sixth day! How could I have missed this?" :D SlimVirgin 21:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Haha, double-take time. Not sure if that's the "power of the media", or the "power of wikipedia", or just a shared wiki-consciousness taking over! Our paths have not crossed SV, for quite a while now. Was it some music article? Sorry, I can't remember. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember where it was, Martin, but it's nice to see you again anyway. :) SlimVirgin 22:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Pen-y-clawdd

Here's a puzzle. I've given some details on the above page about Pen-y-Clawdd Court and listed it as a Grade I Listed building in Monmouthshire. But I now think the details I've quoted refer to another Pen-y-Clawdd Court. My doubts arise from, firstly the fact that RCAHMW lists Pen-y-Clawdd Court as being in the parish of Llanvihangel Crucorney, which plainly the Court between Raglan and Monmouth isn't, and, secondly, because the description in RCAHMW, and the pictures from a link I've found here ], don't look at all like the Pen-y-Clawdd Court I photographed a few weekends ago. But Newman's Monmouthshire only lists one Pen-y-Clawdd Court and his description "notable only for the nobly scaled red brick arch close up to the road" definitely does match the house I photographed, the pictures of which I was going to upload until I got cold feet.

So, I think there are actually two Pen-y-Clawdd Courts. But why does Newman not list the one near Abergavenny, which looks much more interesting and which I think is Grade I, but does list the one near Raglan which he acknowledges is only notable for its gate? If you're as stumped as I, do you think Dr B or Ghmyrtle might know? KJP1 (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Intriguing. Very surprised. Would Bradney help I wonder - I dont have access to the volume that might have it (or them). It seems Hando wrote an Argus article on Pen-y-Clawdd on 30-8-57, but not sure which one. If Ghmyrtle doesn't know, he'll probably have some good ideas about how to find out. But then DrB is quite likely to take it on as a personal challenge and write two or three new articles as a result! I'll try and have a look too. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Either result would be good. So I'll go and ask. But would appreciate any digging you could do. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Ghmyrtle has the answer. Now some work to do. KJP1 (talk) 21:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Everything

"What was supposed to be conveyed by" those images? Only one, very unencylcopaedic, word springs to mind - beauty. I do like that. Sometimes I think we struggle to get that concept across. But we keep trying. KJP1 (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Excuse my while I nail this butterfly to its display mount.... don't what the pesky thing flying off again, do we! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Pill and pwll

"Pill" is a widely used term on the English side of the Bristol Channel for a tidal creek - e.g. at Pill, Huntspill, etc. It's almost certainly related to the Welsh "pwll", but I'm not sure we can say it derives from the Welsh word - they probably both derive from an earlier Celtic word. St Pierre Pill could have been (in fact, was probably more likely to have been) so named by the perfidious English in the estuary, rather than by the Welsh who had retreated westwards and hillwards by the time it was named. There is a theory that the "pool" in Liverpool derives from the same word. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, yes that makes a lot of sense. I'll revert that. Should Pwllgwenlly also be amended? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, there needs to be some regard for consistency. The article on Pillgwenlly refers to a Welsh word "pill", which I don't think is correct - it was pwll. But that place, and other places in areas that were unequivocally Welsh, would have originally had Welsh (or proto-Welsh) names - it's just that I think that it's an overstatement to say that places where the name could have derived from either Welsh or English words, necessarily derived from the Welsh term. In the case of St Pierre as well, it's completely unclear as to whether the name derived from a Welsh Pŷr or a Norman Pierre. It may well, in fact, have been the site of the semi-legendary Welsh harbour Porth-is-coed, later renamed by the post-Norman English. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

That all makes sense to me, Gh. If any place might get a clear etymology maybe it's this place, but things were a lot less clear in Gwent, weren't they? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hereford Cathedral Library

On 8 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hereford Cathedral Library, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the oldest volume in the Hereford Cathedral Library is the Hereford Gospels, dated to around the year 780? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hereford Cathedral Library.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ganarew

On 9 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ganarew, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 09:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for King Arthur's Cave

On 9 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article King Arthur's Cave, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that King Arthur's Cave, near Ganarew, to the northeast of Monmouth, is reputedly the oldest Arthurian site? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 17:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Preston Passion

Hi, thanks for working to improve Preston Passion with me; I edit conflicted with you more than once! Want to co-nom it for DYK with me?, I just expanded it so it fits in the size rules. Rcsprinter (lecture) 20:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I found it a superb piece of television and quite inspirational. So go ahead, by all means. Perhaps we could add a tv programme info box? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Great, I filed it. Rcsprinter (constabulary) 17:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Looks like the Development Producer himself has lent us a hand here! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Really? I'll check it out. Wasn't logged in because I was editing from an iPad in an Apple store demo thingy. (Yep, dedication). Here is a link to the DYK nom, I put your name on it. Rcsprinter (constabulary) 17:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha, very good. Many thanks. I have added another ALT hook! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Saint Senara

Hehe I looked at the Pendour Cove article and you edited it! We must be telepathic or just share very similar interests!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I blame the mystic cod! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Equally strange is that I was thinking about The Doward but decided to do that first! Will start shortly..♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

"Cod moves in mysterious ways, its wikiwonders to perform." (old Lancashire saying). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Goodness me, we've even got Haddock House now!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

You may wish to add to The Doward.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Tredegar House

Can't understand why the unnamed one is being quite so aggressive. Perfectly reasonable debate but don't get why he takes it personally. Somewhat like you, I lived in Monmouthshire from age 5 to age 18 and never once thought I was living in Gwent! And what has gone wrong with Reflinks. It was so good. KJP1 (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes strange. The 'Port has never even felt like a city to me, let alone a Unitary Authority! But Mr. Anon has legal factitude on his or her side, I fear. The small Welsh town of... Twinned with Guangxi Province in China - There's no Province finer: Lush. I loves it. Safe, bro! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh that's very good. The number of times I rolled into Newport Station on a wet, cold night. But indeed, Mr Anon is "right". However, it was built in Monmouthshire, it's helpful and sensible to list it in Monmouthshire, and I doubt the decidedly exotic Evan Morgan, 2nd Viscount Tredegar would have been much impressed to be told he was residing in the unitary authority area of Newport. So we'll leave it as long as we can. KJP1 (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I think I'll stay out of this one, on that article talk page at least. The fact is that it is in Newport, which is how most readers (globally) would locate it. Whether we need to add that it is/was in "Monmouthshire" seems pretty irrelevant to me (though obviously of vital importance to some!), and I think we should ensure that no-one gains the false impression that it is located in Monmouthshire. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I too was tempted to stay out. People can get very worked up about counties, especially as far as Lancashire, Manchester and Liverpool are concerned, for example! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I think we've teased him enough - and it's right now, in every sense. KJP1 (talk) 22:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Quite agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, knocked twice

Hi, considering intro plus your addition were much better than the current version. After texts that can be found the account seems to have been about a concrete experiment after which the author simply derived the idea of the engine. --Askedonty (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I had forgotten that I had even made that edit. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes; wouldn't be it possible, considering the evolution of expression, as well as the Marquess' own personality, that a Century was intended meaning for a hundreth ? I wonder -- Askedonty (talk) 09:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, possibly. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

What he patented with parliament must have been one sort of a coupled axe wheel, this was built. Nonetheless a priority dispute between Denis Papin and Thomas Savery was once settled in France by refering to Worcester (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k24674j/f34.image). This wouldn't be allowed to happening again I guess. Thank you very much for your time (and editing space), this has been very encouraging. --Askedonty (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I wish my French was good enough to understand what was being described there! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Dorchester

I thought you might be watching! Actually I didn't mean to remove the TH entry, that was a consequence of an edit conflict I think. Though I did wonder if he should be listed there, seeing as he's mentioned elsewhere in the article. What's normal policy? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

If I were you, I'd remove most of the last few sections and just paste in one of his poems. But that may not be normal policy? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Only one? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Haha. There's one that's particularly apt for tonight, of all nights. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

There's a student essay on the web about that poem, I like the essay's summary line: "The poem, obviously, isn't about a nice event, hence there are a lot of references to death." Give them a spot on Newsnight Review - might make it less like that Fry and Laurie sketch.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Eat your heart out, Jeremy Paxman. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Were you trying to see how long it would be before I found this. You hid it rather well. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Capital of Bolivia

OK both can be in the info box but La Paz has to be like SEAT OF GOVERMENT or GOVERMENT CITY that is the right term used in bolivia,oh and excuse me can you tell me where are you from??? By:Carloshistory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carloshistory (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I am from not Bolivia. And I must admit that I'm not sure what the WP:MOS is for country info boxes - it might have to be just one city as capital. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Fantastic Not Bolivia lol, I live in the Wirral if I was mad I could even run to Wales when the tides out, my cousin did it once (lying sod he is) anyway suffice it to say unlucky for us he came back sigh

(... in deep broad Tennessee accent ...) Ah, yes the Wire-all. Ain't that the lil' ole capital of Scouseland? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The Doward

Next Saturday in Monmouth? Victuallers (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for invite Victs. It seems unlikely, but you never know. It should be a good meeting. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Doward

On 18 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Doward, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that King Arthur's Cave is in The Doward (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Doward.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You have anything on Velindre House in Whitchurch, Cardiff?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Not really. But I see this snippet and this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Preston Passion

On 20 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Preston Passion, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 2012 Preston Passion featured thousands of Preston residents and included Surely He Hath Borne Our Griefs from Handel's Messiah? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Preston Passion.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Preston Passion

It all sounds wonderful! I wish I had been there to see it. My Easter was rather tame by comparison. Congrats on the DYK! Amandajm (talk) 09:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not a huge fan of this type of live music/ filmed drama mix, and no live outside broadcast can ever be perfect. But I think this worked really well. My main disappointment was that Jamelia and band were incarcerated on the brutal 60s mausoleum that is the Bus Station car park. But the aerial camera for the movement pieces was a touch of genius. Well done Preston Guild - the programme was well worth doing and was done very well. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

(But I was the one who actually created the article.) Rcsprinter (tell me stuff) 12:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you certainly were. I don't really deserve that DYK. I would never have even thought of creating it. But I'm still glad of Amanda's contribution. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Titanic Sea Odyssey

There is a whole set on Commons with this image. I'm biased as I took most of them so I'll leave the choice to you.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

That's the sort of event that might well deserve its own article. My concern with that image is that the diver gets a bit lost in the crowd and street furniture, especially as it looks a bit of a dull day in Liverpool (!) I'll have a look. Thanks for the tip off. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

It was a dull day. It's just finished now. Sea Odyssey on COmmons.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

A fine collection. I thought (20) was very good, but I have added (13). Where did the uncle eventually find the little girl? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I just uploaded them all crap or otherwise. If someone want to delete some it's fine by me. Down by the Docks last night. I'm trying to get some people to upload there photos. So it might be worth checking later. You basically had to pick you place to stand and hold it. As soon as I can work out how to convert this I'll up load it Film.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that would be good. Misplaced Pages looks like it's in the Stone Age when it comes to the use of video clips. And indiscriminately banning all YouTube links doesn't really help. So good luck with that. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thatwas easier than last time I tried, using Make Web Video . Just do this to see if it links.--2.26.160.47 (talk) 14:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Very good, well done. Certainly big enough isn't it!! Martinevans123 (talk)

Estimates are 1/4 Million came to watch. Liverpool echo --Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

That suggests an article might well be justufied. Martinevans123 (talk)

It probably is have a look at this Merseyside Police vid--Kitchen Knife (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Amazing. Love the dog!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Aparently 1/2 a Million turned up. BB1 7.30 on Wednesday has a special on it.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

kittens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twinmill32 (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I wonder where the other pesky blighters are lurking.... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

WTF? Twinmill32 (talk) 00:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Whooooo! it's tonight's star prize! (visions of a besuited Nicholas Parsons with Sale of the Century music playing in the background... ) I just wish I knew what these were for, or who they were from. At least not from one of 65,000 random ip addresses in Wochita, maybe... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Cnapan

Hi Martin,

I am working on Cnapan and if my findings prove correct I will have important information to contribute to the games origins. (Adrian Roebuck (talk) 11:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC))

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	This quip deserves some appreciation Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 23:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad someone appreciated. Although I was trying to make the point that someone's life might be more important than a wikipedia regulation. But apparently, some editors "need to reconsider their black humour thresholds at ANI." I was surprised not to get blocked myself. What next - WP:NOTTHESAMARITANS, I guess. Pleased to see that someone at least left a message. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Martin,

I have just been over to have a look.

You are awful –

or, is it I, who is filled with awe?

When I read your "block", I was sorely tempted to add "where's the axe?"

Then I clicked on the link.

Anyway, I love this:

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Just tweaking the size of your wiki gallows here. We all know good editors can always re-grow the limbs that have been delicately torn off by dedicated admins. Wheresas true vandals can't, apparently. But where's our hangman broomstick? After all, the only good witch is a drowned one (?) The Venn diagram of ANI/ mental health/ humour shows a very small area of intereection indeed, it seems. Being blocked isn't a very pleasant experience and it's a shame that Misplaced Pages soemtimes appears to be such a punitive two-tier organisaction. Let's hope our anon Spanish editor was just a vandal. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I hope so too. I realise only now that I had taken it entirely the opposite way to you. Did you notice that Delta Quad has since modified his entry by removing his link to WP:ROPE)

I like the organisaction, but not too certain about the intereection ... I corrected my appalling English, BTW

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)→

Yes, DQ is obviously a genuinely concerned and careful editor. I think his was a slip. Mine was quite deliberate, but misintrepreted. My concern was for the anon Spanish editor, not for the politically-correct established ANI reader. Thumperward is right about thresholds, I guess, but he too seems to think I was being deliberately callous towards the Spanish anon, and not just trying to poke fun at wikipedia. One's frame of reference can certainly influence one's interpretation. I had tried to suggest in my edit summary that a "softly-softly" approach might be better. Then again, I thought, that poor editor might have been on tip-toes himself, balanced on his wobbly wiki block. Maybe something (or a lot) has been lost in translation here. Some folk will post all sorts of strange thinks on the net just to see what the reaction will be (apparently). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Cooper

See his Talk page; it's always better to have edit conversations on the article Talk page, so others can participate. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Have replied there, thanks. "Darn these hooves! I hit the wrong switch again! Who designs these instrument panels, raccoons?" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it was you ... Her Majesty's Pembrokeshire corgis

• BTW, did I ever tell you that my first dog, my eighth birthday present, was a Pembrokeshire Corgi – just like Her Majesty's ...

Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gareth. I think you must be confusing me with another well-known Welshman! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Take a visit to my page! Have a look at Buon compleanno (the latest section)

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Arh bless! That Betty gets everywhere. If only she could keep that bull terrier of a daughter under control: ! But Happy Birthdsy - I hope not yet a telegram-from-Betty occasion! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Did you go to the sender's page – in Tasmania? You can understand how baffled I am. I thought I had worked out the first (Beatles) only to learn I that I hadn't. Then, I came to the conclusion the second was you, wrongly. I am baffled. Telegram? ... give it another thirty -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

All very confusing! I'll take a look down under. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please do!

Please try this -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 10:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Newport Rising

Electric strings

I once drew a picture of an invented "electric cello" as part of the front cover of a school musical project, but the teacher wasn't very impressed with my flight of fancy - he described the cover as "infantile". But then, I did portray the cello being played by several anthropomorphic "wild marrows"..... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

We all know about The Comedy of Marrows. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Haha, very good! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Argh, you and your French corner plants!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

You're not pla-yeeng weeth wurrds are you, Monsieur Evans? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I weel say zees ahnlee warnce. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious when you state "No more Throw Away humour", or is that part of the joke? It isn't clear. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

ROFL. I'll try and find a reliable sauce. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't make anything clearer. I suspect you're pissed off for some reason, but being evasive (or cryptic?) doesn't convey what that might be. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern PCW. But no more pissed off than usual, haha! And I tend to use this Talk Page for being as cryptic and unclear as possible. It's my little refuge from reliable sources and notability. How is sunny Dorset? My word you were up early (or was that very late?) Martinevans123 (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Church of Saint Senara, Zennor

Hello, Sorry for the delay but I have now replied to your query at Talk:Church of Saint Senara, Zennor. (I often do not take a second look at pages edited until some days have passed.)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks Felix. I thought you'd probably reply before the secession of Cornwall had been fully achieved. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Historic architecture

I probably shouldn't laugh, but this page amused me this morning. Maybe the photo doesn't convey its special qualities very well.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Haha. Maybe you missed the whole Peter Vardy Grade II listed church RFD fiasco. Architectural heritage means very different things to different people in different places. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right - and appearance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it either. Often buildings are listed for being 'good examples' of their type, which can be controversial (eg Park Hill). But that American pic does remind me of certain bits of 1970s UK suburbia - obviously over the pond they were 70 years ahead of us! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Haha. True. 70 years ahead - real progress, I'm sure. We also have some architectural icons to cherish. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Your last edit summary reminds me of a tale concerning T. S. Eliot, who once got into a cab to find that the cabbie knew who he was. When asked how he knew he replied, "Ah, I've got an eye for a celebrity. Only the other evening I picked up Bertrand Russell, and I said to him: 'Well Lord Russell, what's it all about?, and do you know, he couldn't tell me.'" Kenny Williams (more circularity) loved recounting this, making it juicier by changing the last line to, 'Do you know, the twit couldn't tell me?' (from The Kenneth Williams Diaries, p665) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Hahahaha, that is just so funny. You never get a decent tip out of those logical positivists, I reckon. But they'll often treat you to nice cuppa Rosie Lee. (A bit like the infamously frugal Tommy Cooper who would always pay the exact cab fare but then slip something into the cabbie's top pocket with the words "have a drink on me" - later discovered to be a teabag). Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

St Athan

Want to collaborate with this? More info on the landmarks at here and here. Will add more tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Goodness me, Blowers, this is hardly one of your Holiday Inns in Kazakstan one-liners, is it?! It looks huge already! I'll try and have a look tomorrow. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello Doctor,

Thank you for asking me to be involved. I shall certainly try to help as I do know St Athan. Actually this Castleton is in the Vale of Glamorgan. MyCastleton is in what I still call Monmouthshire. But, no matter. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:01, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Hang on ... I'm not even a doctor!! And with all these Castletons, we might even forget about this place! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Mmm ... does this place have any connection with the good and chaste people living in The Cotswolds, do you think? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

This blog-site (which has a very nice collection of copy-vio NT images) says this: "The name Chastleton is Saxon in origin, and the last bit is easy as tun means town, or habitation enclosed by a fence. The second bit probably means a heap of stones or cairn from the Saxon word ceastel. It's really near to the Rollright Stones ..". Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Ties in with this,, slightly more reliable, source , which says: "The recorded history of Chastleton manor dates back to 777AD, when Offa, King of Mercia, made a gift of land at Chastleton to the Benedictine abbey of Eynsham in Worcestershire. The name Chastleton is Saxon in origin, the prefix possibly deriving from the Saxon word ceastel, which may refer to a cairn or boundary marker.

The suffix ‘ton’ derives from tun or town. The village appears in the Domesday Book of 1086 as ‘Cestitone’, when the landowners included Odo, Bishop of Bayeux, Winchcombe Abbey, Henry de Ferrers and Urse D’Abitot. During the Middle Ages, Chastleton was owned and administered by, amongst others, Robert d’Oily (the probable builder of Oxford Castle) and Thomas Chaucer (son of the poet).". Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

It has quite a history. First century AD ... this is the wonder of WP -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 10:34, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Newport, Cardiff and London

Hi Martin, you were looking for other editors who may have views on this controversy. Can I suggest User:Snowded, User:Bettia, User:FruitMonkey, User:Velella, User:Deb and User:Seth Whales? All are long-standing, highly-reputable editors who've been active on Wikiproject Wales. They won't necessarily support my views but they would offer rational opinion.--Pondle (talk) 23:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. I have now passed on the message to all of them too. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I've flagged up the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. It's not necessarily a Wales-only issue, though obviously some editors of Wales articles might have particular interests on the matter. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

You might get a kick out of this ... helps to prove that reading is FUN-damental ...

I heard about this item today and thought it was just too funny for words. "I knew that there was a reason that I paid attention in geography class."

The stadium announcer was 'on the ball' ... -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Haha, yes, I heard about it a few days ago. Just wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Clement Vallandigham

Well, the only reason he was in the unusual deaths was the supposition that he shot hmself in front of the judge/jury and died instantly - shooting yourself accidentally with a gun while demonstrating something isn't that unusual, especially since the main article also makes it sound like he died some time later. But you're right, there's no check-able source for either variant, and if he did shoot himself in the courtroom then it would certainly belong. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC).

This source (]) says "While preparing the defense of an accused murderer, Vallandigham enacted his view of what occurred at the crime scene. Thinking that a pistol that he was using as a prop was unloaded, Vallandigham pointed it at himself and pulled the trigger. The gun discharged, and Vallandigham was mortally wounded. This one says "In a Lebanon, Ohio, hotel, 16 June 1871, a gun went off while he was demonstrating to other attorneys how a defendant's supposed victim may have accidentally shot himself. He died there the following day." Brittanica is vague. I would say these descriptions of his death make him a borderline for includsion in this (very subjective) untimely death article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for the swift reply, David. Some excellent sources there. I'd argue that having a complete article already makes him notable and this tips the balance in his favour for inclusion. I'm not sure where QI got it's duff gen, but that BBC mention in itself seems to add some weight to its notability (validation nothwithstanding). In fact, I clearly remember watching that episode of QI, and I expect that it will soon be repeated, ad infinitum, on Dave. But of course I can't remember the exact wording. I suspect any error is far more likely to have been caused by some ad-lib embroidery/ tongue slipping from quizmaster Mr. Fry! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for St Athan

On 30 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Athan, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that at St Athan, a wild fig tree grew out of the cement of the East Orchard chapel walls? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St Athan.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Patchen music adaptation

Your recent addition to the music section doesn't quite make sense. Are there particular poems by Patchen that you're referring to? If so, I would list the poems specifically.Jpcohen (talk) 00:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the word "the" should have been "a". But your re-write is perfectly fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Jewish Princess

HI with your reference to ittle jewsess princess I thought you would get the cryptic? message "with a brand new nose, who knows where it goes" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDarQW7UZc Im new to wiki I cannot even write a message without editing a page :( take care btw those questions were great

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ur-loki (talk • contribs) 10:10, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Haha, yes I did get it, eventually. So I added a lyric reference at your Talk Page! If you want to post a message - just start a new Section. Many editors would have a fit if some unknown new editor added a comment to their User Page without permission (especially those editors who are "cantankerous old crows without any sense of humour". But as a fellow FZ fan - you're very welcome! haha

Old St John the Baptist's Church, Pilling

(Discussion moved from Tin tabernacles) Yes that's the one — more info here, and map + grid reference on here. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Peter. Have just returned from a very fruitful trip to Pilling, where we managed to obtain a key and take lots of pictures. There was also a short guide booklet available for a donation of £3, and some fact-sheets printed up by the CCT. It's quite fascinating. The keyholder was also able to give us a short history - it is in fact the third Anglican church in the village. That gentleman's father was in fact responsible, as church-warden, for handing the church over to the CCT. Anyway, I'm wondering if you'd like to see any or all of the 40 pictures I have taken? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds like enjoyed your outing. What I want (need) is a good picture of the exterior of the church in the article and the list. Beyond that, it's up to you. As a suggestion, why not upload the best photos to Commons (make them free-use of course), and they will be available for the world to see and use (if you're happy with that), and I can see them there. Let me know when/if you've done that. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I usually upload to Commons, as it's much quicker for a batch of multiple images. And I do try to select the best single example of any particular feature. It's just that there are lots of unique features in this church! I'll probably end up posting a dozen or so on the article talk page, but I am wary of taking up too much space. I might even try and add to the article using the booklet as a ref... but paying particular attention to Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing and being extremely careful not to ever unwittingly breach copyright (just in case someone decides to not revert within a few hours). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

The talk page is not the best place for the pics. I suggest that you upload them to Commons, make a Category to contain them, then make a link on the article page using {{commons category|Old St John the Baptist's Church, Pilling}} in an External links section. There can be no breach of copyright if you make them free use. If you get stuck, I'll try to help. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I've added the "full frontal" photo to the article and the list. It looks great. Many thanks, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

You can't beat a bit of full frontal, I always say. I'll try and do as you suggest. The three uploaded so far are still uncategorised, so advice on any other categories to use at Commons would be much appreciated. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Excellent set of photos; many thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have been very selective. I was disappointed with the photos of the 1719 boards bearing the Ten Commandments and the Creed and Lords Prayer. They would have benefited from a flash, or a duller day or (obviously) a much better camera than my pocket FinePix J12. I'm hoping to expand the article and perhaps that might warrant the inclusion of one or two of the interior images. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Rufford Hall

The very knowleagable guides will tell you that the screen is made of bog oak. It also has a carving of a six-fingered hand, reputed to represent Anne Boleyn. Plucas58 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't Plucas58 (talk) 22:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Wasn't my intention to delete your post not sure how it even happened, I got an edit conflict and just re saved. Mo ainm~Talk 20:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Apology accepted. No worries. It just didn't look very good. I'm sorry you and Varlaam have disagreed. Londonderry/Derry is problematic for many. I just don't see that the mini-dispute, or Varlaam's comments, is representative of such an industrous editor, nor deserving of such punitive measures. A 60-hour general block may be perfectly suitable from your point of view. But, in the longer term, will it be as productive as trying to encourage a dialogue? Skinner had a point. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

The block is not my doing, that's down to the admin, I was attempting dialogue on the talk page but he choose to be pedantic about spelling and to issue personal attacks and to revert after I warned him about 3 RR. Mo ainm~Talk 21:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Quite so, obviously not your doing. It looks like a rather hasty one-sided solution that neither party may necessarily have wanted. You appear to have been wholly civil. And you were quite right to warn. I'm sure that Admin, who almost shares a name with another leading behaviourst, has his reasons - even if he can't (or apparently just won't bother to) count. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Tewkesbury Abbey

Do I understand correctly that you agree the new section on photography is advertisement but because it is useful it belongs in an encyclopedia? As I said on the talk page I reject this notion and additionally offered that the copyright question needs to be addressed. Your suggestion of a note on all National Trust properties seems excessive, however, if such a note were to be placed anywhere it should only be placed on the organisation's article if it is a common and legal policy.

I think courtesy if not protocol would of had you discuss this issue before RVing a RV. Saffron Blaze (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Sincere apologies for not opening a discussion thread for my partial revert of your own. I certainly think that a whole new section, advertising guided tours and photographic policy, has no place in that article. But I think a note regarding the Abbey's poilcy on photography would certainly be useful, if only as a footnote. If you think this is contentious, I'd be pleased to contribute to a discussion at the Talk Page.

Regarding my edit summary suggestion, you are quite right, the National Trust article might be much better and easier. It certainly is a "common and legal policy" that most of Misplaced Pages seems very keen to disregard. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Um, how does one leave a Talkback template on your "Talk Page"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check on the legal issue. As a photgrapher I find this practice quite irritating... pay for pics but you don't get full rights. If it is legal no pictures of inside the Abbey would be permitted on Wikipedi/Commons because you would not be able to licence freely. Saffron Blaze (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and the NT policy is very irritating. But then it is a commercial organisation, like any other, I suppose. An exchange of emails a couple of year ago confirmed that images may be taken of NT property only from a standpoint on publicly-accessed land. They also told me they were "in dispute" with Wikipeida over the use of certain images. I can't imagine that their policy has changed since then. They did tell me, however, that they would not pursue the removal of any images that I personally had already loaded to Wikipeida, provided that I undertook not to load any more. I do wish some more useful compromise could be reached.

I suspect that those who read articles on NT properties here, with the intention of visiting, often never also read the NT article itself, and thus remain unaware of their photography policy. See this POTD, for example: Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

The Spanners

Hello old boy! Yes, I'm afraid unless it's an "official" type of channel we can't link to it - dashed shame. A brief bit of research suggests if the uploader is correct this dates from 1980-83 from the ITV Madhouse era. And yes it is that perky chap Les Dennis on the end - he worked with Russ early in his career. There's another one at if you're interested! Cheers! Quintessential British Gentleman (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Country Houses

I was wondering if you or you know anybody who'd be interested in such a project. One of my chief loves is British country houses and I don't at present see a project set up to help coordinate it and to collaborate over. If interested let me know and I'll consider making a proposal.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'd be quite interested, thanks... if only to try and get a more satisfactory situation between Misplaced Pages and the National Trust regarding the use in articles of personal photographs! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Zodiac Settle

You're a godsend. Tonight, the article, wikipedia, and even Burges are driving me to the very, very end of my tether!!!!!! KJP1 (talk) 21:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it's such a tiny contribution. It's been a mammoth effort on your part. Am in awe. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Dingestow Court

Actually, I think the Geograph view is of the other, north, side of the court to the current photo, which is the less impressive, non-Vuillamy side. That said, and despite the fact it's a bit gloomy, it's certainly arguable that it's a better picture of the house than my absurdly distant view, which really only shows anything if much magnified. So replace away if you think on balance it's better.

Thanks for your very kind comments re. Burges. It was a struggle, particularly in the latter stages, but I am very pleased with the result. KJP1 (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see, thanks. No worries. You could replace your current image with a cropped down version, so that you get rid of some of those molehills and see the house a litle clearer. Or I can try that if you like. There might even be room for two images, as they are from different viewpoints. p.s. that Charles Spencer Ricketts tomb is quite something! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Evidence of controversy over Tom Jones’ visit to the “TRNC”:

1. Petition to Boycott Celebrity Performers in Illegally Occupied Cyprus gopetition Wiki-blocked URL (petition number 38294)

2. In the press the illegal state is boasting… http://www.kktcenf.org/en/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=1731

3. Issue on the Cyprus Forum http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus38265.html

4. Complaints on performer’s Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tom-Jones/26581360771

5. Debate on Topix http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyprus/TKADG7R40GNVLLSD6/p2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.153.47.105 (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. As I said, if you wish to make this argument for controversy on the Talk Page for the Tom Jones (singer) article, you will need to make a user account (very quick and easy). But responding very briefly to each point of your "evidence" above:

1. We can't really see what is contained in a "Wiki-blocked URL". And so it can't be used in any article.

2. That is a factual news report that confirms that the event took place, but not that it was notable.

3. Misplaced Pages cannot use the content of forums or chat-sites as WP:RS.

4. Misplaced Pages typically does not take the content of any Facebook page as evidence of notability. In fact, Facebook in itself, is rarely used as a reliable source for anything.

5. Misplaced Pages cannot use the content of forums or chat-sites as WP:RS.

If you can provide any other sources, from reputable internationally recognised news agencies or news publications, you may be able to convince other editors that this event was indeed notable, or even "controversial". But, on the strength of your current suggestions, it is very unlikely that an addition to the article would be justified. How rare an event is this? Does the "Petition" you mention have any legal status? If so, where? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Hattie Jacques ASDA advert

Just to let you know, regarding your citation for the ASDA advert with her. While it might not be conclusive it was her last appearance, it will be a very welcome addition on another article (namely the ASDA one) where a source for her being in the advert was missing. So it is a conclusive source for something. Thanks! MrZoolook (talk) 04:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I think The Guardian article already linked at ASDA seems fine already for HJ, but it just lacks a year. I'll add the TV Adverts ssource that I found, if you like, since it clearly gives the year as 1980. It's not really a quality source - in fact it's really just a sneaky way of getting in a link to that YouTube clip! But some of the other ASDA celebrities mentioned might well also feature at that site. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:20, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Dylan Thomas

I give up. The article is incredibly wordy and over-detailed, but I don't feel like fighting you. I'd have to open up topics on the Talk page to discuss the content issues with you, and it's simply not worth it. In parting - and I know you've been very civil, so I'm not complaining about that - you might reconsider what is really needed in the article and what is not and think about making the article more concise. Your last restoration is, bluntly, plain silly (I don't think I'm as nice as you ), as is your basis (in your edit summary) for doing so. Good luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I have replied on your Talk Page. I'd like to know why both the restoration and my reason for it, that Brinnin might have been able to stop Thomas drinking himself to death and/or suffering a probable overdose of morphine, is "plain silly"? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Bec Abbey

Misplaced Pages, sites that copy wiki, and some tourist material are the only sites that seem to refer to it as "Bec Abbey". It is generally referred to as "the Abbey of Notre-Dame du Bec" or the "Abbey of Notre Dame of Bec-Heloin".

Amandajm (talk) 07:11, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree. How about you do it. I'm busy writing something and fussing around with pictures. Amandajm (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Having never done a move, I'm not sure that I'd do it right. I think you are probably quite right, but I would have expected some kind of global decision, from Project French Monastries or some such, so that they all got done at once and in an agreed consistent way? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Dylan

Thanks for your additions to the Thomas article. Quite a while ago an editor added a whack of detail when Fatal Neglect: Who Killed Dylan Thomas? came out proposing a new view of his death. I think it suggested a cover up etc etc. As I remember it, the ed was new, emphatic and excited. The additions did bugger about with the flow of text and I didn't go through it all to sorts through the refs and potential contradictions etc. The article hasn't been properly parsed for years, but the revised view of the death evidence introduced more of the confusion you are now ravelling. But It looks like you have it all under control. Lord preserve us from the overheated, very certain conspiracy theorist. Best wishes and happy editing. Span (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Under control?! Far from it. I have taken little interest in Dylan here, thinking that Wales' modern-day Shakespeare was all done and dusted. Now I find that none of his books even have linked publishers, let alone ISBNs. Mercy me. Yes, David Thomas' 2008 Fatal Neglect is a very worthy re-appraisal of the useless folk-lore that Dylan "drank himself to death in America", and it deserves all the attention this small article can afford it. It does seem, from his work, that 1950s medical diagnosis and procedure was light years from where it is today. The bitterest irony is that it was Dylan's own bragging that may have led most significantly to the mis-diagnosis of alcohol poisoning that, in turn, led to his coma and death. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Halifax gibbet

Thanks for your tidying up. I reverted a couple of your changes, but nothing serious. A fascinating historical backwater don't you think? Malleus Fatuorum 23:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Please revert all you want. Yes, incredible. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the Home Counties whose blood runs cold at the thought of such an infernal "French" device. I am just amazed that it was (apparently) unique in England. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Even most of the infernal rides at Alton Towers cost less than the modern day equivalent of one-an-three-ha'pence! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Justanonymous History

Martin. Thanks for the help on the AF447 article.

On my history. About 10 years ago, I created Misplaced Pages username with my real name but after making about 5 edits, I became uncomfortable having my real name out there and since then I've edited on Misplaced Pages on and off almost exclusively under anon IPs. In total, I probably have about 10,000edits which is pretty light for that kind of time and I'm adept at HTML and various programming languages so I can contort wikipedia to do pretty much what I need it to do. I'm pretty busy with work so I disappear for months on end though.

Recently I've decided to create a pseudonym, Justanonymous, so that I can more easily watch pages, change edit preferences etc while still protecting my anonymity. I'm finding that with a formal pseudonym this place is more social than I thought.

I do subscribe to the be bold initiative and as a middle aged guy, I'm comfortable with myself so that comes out as assertive I guess. I do worry that many good editors have been driven away by small cabals of radical editors and that's concerning to me here and that we're in need of good prudent editors. We need to be welcoming of new editors and just because they're new, we should not assume that they don't know or that we have to hold their hands, hence my response to Socrates. From my vantage, a 1 edit editor might have a PHD in that field and that edit should be respected provided it falls within the Misplaced Pages standards.

As full disclosure, over the last 10 years, I have been blocked exactly one time for 3 days for violating a 3R rule. I take 50% of the fault for that but sometimes people refuse to come to the talk page. I respected the block and we were able to amicably resolve the dispute amicably between my nemesis' cabal and I.

That's about it for me. Cheers! Justanonymous (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Oooo, you're the kind of newbie that makes so-called established editors like me feel quite inadequate. Yes, I know how it feels to become uncomfortable with one's real name - I ended up creating 8 new accounts to divide up my editing and pronptly got an indef block for my pains. Luckily a sensible fellow editor, and a sensible admin, came to my rescue. And I am now fully rehabilitated (well, almost). I think you must have given Socrates a bit of am bold shock! But you are obviously a useful editor to have around. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Shirenewton Hall

Might interest you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

"Not 'arf, pop-pickers!". Many thanks, 'Blowers. Although I was looking for something a little more "bijou". Martinevans123 (talk)

Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

New e-mail from Gareth Griffith-Jones

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Oooo... how exciting! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You are either in a good mood, or you are being sarcastic – I wonder which?

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha, probably both! Well I have no idea who he is, although I have added a polite thank you on his Talk Page. Either he or his bot seem to have searched out all instances of that article link in order to repair them. But I was still a bit surprised to see my User Page being tweaked for me! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Have made a re-appraisal, at his Talk Page, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I read it (eight minutes to ten) when I went there soon after (at nine minutes past ten) to read his/her reply to my posting earlier this evening. Excellent! He must wonder a bit now about the Welsh, don't you think? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I had assumed that he was American, but it looks like he's (only) English. He must be a bit baffled by my reference to "UK TV pundit". Well maybe not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I like him; very thorough and patient; one of the good guys round here.

Enjoyed reading your final posting on his page! Cheerio! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes. he seems a very good sort. Might not be that final! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

True. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Just been enjoying your contributions here -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

He seems to have got himself into a bit of bother, doesn't he. Three months. Oh dear. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I, for what it is worth, consider him a decent fellow. Certainly an amusing and entertaining character, don't you think? At that time I am referring to above (about a month ago) you seemed to be his only supporter. I wondered whether you had noticed his posting on my page on July 5 -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I tend to agree with you. A month ago he seemed to be getting a bit of a raw deal. I think a three month block would almost certainly finish me off here, but I think he is happy to contribute at other language variant wikis. Any editor with that linguistic range ought to be nurtured, if not indulged slightly. But some editors (and admins) seem to have a very low threshold when it comes to "aggravation" (or what used to be called, in my youth, "a bit of bovver"). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Mmmm ... where have you been? You usually respond so promptly ... Ha ha ... I sometimes wonder why anyone would want to be an admin' and just what is the average age. Quite young, I would say. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I have been busy with DMT amongst other things, and no, not the drug, the poet. Also with the passing of a heavy metal legend (I wish there was a simple "lege" tag that could be added to some articles!) I'm sure some of the really grumpy editors are made even more grumpy by being bossed around my admins half their age. But, of course we'll never know average age. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Air France Flight 447

Hi, this is a Wikipedian in Italian, if I am a fan of Air France 447. I see that has integrated the voice of the Air France flight 447, if you want to further improve the voice, I recommend you to use our voice in Italian Misplaced Pages has a good article (http://it.wikipedia.org/Volo_Air_France_447) and translate it into English. Appreciating the fact that even in the English Misplaced Pages has a good article on this topic. Good job, my best wishes. 79.54.118.94 (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I will add a note on the Talk Page there, although I fear that it may be a little too problematic to use a translation from French into Italian and then into English. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Martinevans123

Further to my last reply, I have been testing a hypothesis to try to prove or disprove a firm connection between "Cnapan" and "Campan".

Potted history.

Rugby Union football, Rugby league football, Association football, Gaelic football, Australian Rules football, American football and Canadian football all evolved from a medieval ball game called "Football". In a similar way, I believe Campball, Football, Cnapan, Cornish Hurling, La Soule and similar medieval ball games evolved from a much earlier common ball game. I suspect that game was either the Roman ball game Harpastum or a ball game of Celtic/Nordic/Other origin.

Testing the hypothesis

I have been looking for evidence which links medieval football type games together. The English-Latindictionary, Promptorium Parvulorum, dated 1440 makes a direct connection between Campball and Football. Definition: "Campan, or playar at foott balle". Campan was an early spelling of Campball. With Cnapan, Cornish Hurling and La Soule there is historical evidence connecting the peoples groups who played these games. The close similarities with the spellings "Campan" and "Cnapan" made me wonder if these were versions of the same word. If so I would be able to make a connection between Cnapan and early Football through Campan. Also the word "Camp" is an early old English borrowed word from Latin providing a Roman connection.

Etymology does not support this idea. Camp is an old English word for battle field; therefore, Campball essentially means to do battle with a ball. Cnapan is old Welsh for carved wooden ball. An original word could have different meanings in the two languages. The Welsh are historically descended from Romano-Britons allowing centauries for the written word "Campan" to become "Cnapan" through spelling variations in literature. So far I have been unable to find any evidence to support this theory. If such evidence could be found it would create a documented link between a medieval ball game called "football" and "Cnapan" which, according to George Owen of Henllys (1552-1613), was played by the Ancient Britons. My next question would then be what was the origin of this game?

Yours, Adrian Roebuck, (July 2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Roebuck (talk • contribs) 13:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

How fascinating. In modern Welsh "cnap" (plural "cnapiau") means - boss, pommel, knob, node, puck, etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

British or Welsh?

Simply because I do not know how to do the coding for Musicians. For one reason or another the code doesn't work in the infobox. And yes I do intend to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alssa1 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

But you seem to have taken on quite a task to "re-educate" most other editors, and the people of Wales en masse, there. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

There should be no problem, Nationality is about citizenship not about personal feelings of belonging. In a country like the Russian Federation there are numerous different ethnicities, each with their own federative "republic" but they are still Russian. If you are Welsh, you have Welsh ethnicity, because you are ethnically Welsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alssa1 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

There is no problem, thanks. I have a UK passport. But I have dual nationality - the nation of Britain and the nation of Wales. Try and tell a few English editors that they are not English, but only British. I would be interested to see their reaction. But if you try changing a few hundred wikipedia articles to match, I suspect you might find a few difficulties. Martinevans123 (talk)

Haha, yes, I share your assessment. A nice bit of litotes there, Mr Evans.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Dylan Thomas

Hi ME123; just looking for an opinion. Do you think I need to haul back a bit on the use of footnotes to lead further information to the text of the Thomas article. This is one of the 'heavier' articles I have contributed to, as I don't normally delve into the world of the arts. Overkill? or justifiable? Any pointers will be appreciated. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi there 'Monk. I am greatly flattered that you should even ask me at all. I'm generally only ever tinkering around and trying to sneak in what most others consider trivia. All looks fine to me. But I am a self-confessed inclusionist and I'd rather see a little too much than just a bit too little! At least if it's there it can be trimmed if required. I see that Arthur Machen has none, while W. H. Davies has only a few, but combined with refs. W. H. Auden has quite a lot, but again all combined with refs. I think generally too little use is made of footnotes and I am glad to see them. But then a recent excellent article, which went for GA review, William Burges, has none. So I'm not sure. Maybe Dr Blofeld could advise us. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I too prefer a little too much then missing what others may feel to be an important point. I've only started using the footnotes recently and find them an important little tool. I'll keep them up until I get shouted at. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead photo, now I have more books, it appears that the image is from 1937, around the time of his marriage to Caitlin. I am more then happy to see it replaced by a better shot (are you thinking of the one from the series where he is lighting a cigarette? Great pic). I use the same rationale each time for dead artists, and that is unless there is a free shot (there are at the Library of Congress but they have refused to upload more detailed images) we can use one image as it is now impossible to take a snap of him anymore. Then again we may be able to use more images of the author comparing his younger self and the state he got himself into to show the effect of his drinking. That's something that would be difficult to explain in words, but if we did that we may not be able to then use an image in the infobox. I did something similar with Barry John, I could only use the image of him (as he's still alive), pertaining to his kicking style, and that got through GA.FruitMonkey (talk) 15:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, lighiting the cigarette is indeed better. The images at these sites are particularly good, I think: , and . I don't think the Library of Congress ones are much good at all. So does the info from the book enable us to add a date or location? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how good the LoC images are, if they are usable (which presently they are not) we would be forced to use them. I see you prefer images of the latter Thomas. Tell me which image you prefer, and I'll replace it. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

That's lucky then. I think the first one I linked is the best photograpah, although it does he no favours. He himself look better in the third with the bow tie, but it's slightly over-cropped. I think he looks noticeably younger (and healthier) in the second one, taken, I suspect, before he was famous. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of the cropped one (because of the crop), but the first one is a good option, or maybe this which appears to be taken from the same shoot as the first one. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

That's an excellent suggestion. Very good indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

You were right, a clearer photo makes the whole article look better. On another point do you have a copy of David Thomas' 2008 book as I think it's vital to pass GA as a cite at the end of paragaph is no good, especially when quotes are use. Ta FruitMonkey (talk) 20:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's a big improvement. I certainly have a copy of Fatal Neglect and I can fully recommend it, even if you never edited the article again! The last quote I added, as a footnote, is on page 46. You are doing a fine job by the way. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a page number for: She met Thomas at Idlewild Airport and was immediately shocked at Thomas' appearance, as he "looked pale, delicate and shaky, not his usual robust self." Thanks FruitMonkey (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's page 57. The paragraph continues thus: "She realised immediately that Dylan had changed since his last trip in May, when he was, she said, basically a healthy man: "in the Fall, that had totally changed... he was very ill when he got here". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

That's important, we need to switch the referenceA to a bibligraphic source and start citing each page. I can't do it now, I'm tired and emotional. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

For the Janes image, I'm not sure how we can justify fair use. On an artist's page we can claim it shows their technique, but for Thomas' page... I'm unsure (I'll have a think). By the way, I know it's a pain, but do you have the pages for all 6 Fatal Neglect quotes. I would far rather we have the pages going into the GA than just naming the book. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I'll check. The DNT book is actually full of sound-bites. I thought we might want to borrow a bit back from the Janes' article for this one, partic. the Kardomah Gang. (p.s. by he way I am old enough to remember meeting my Nana many-a-time, for toasted tea-cakes and tea, in "The Kardomah" in Newport !) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

• Reading the Death section of the article, I have found it does not follow chronological order. We have Herb meeting Dylan on day three, if you follow the 'next days', but I do not have this correlating with his last days. I have set up on my home page, a link to a sandbox called User:FruitMonkey/holding area. There I am trying to piece together the final trip to America so we can make sure we have the chronological order correct. Maybe we can some dates in the article to give a better understanding. You are more than welcome to add or comment on that page if you have some solid dates or events I have missed. Thanks, FruitMonkey (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I expect that something has got missed or jumbled up there. I'll try and run through your sandbox chronology with my copy of DNT. No reply from the DTS yet, by the way, re any suitable images they may have. And what a shame if we have to drop the current image simply because it's Getty Images (which obviously has more legal muscle than other owners). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Chronology looking good, it just helps me make sense of what is a confused time.FruitMonkey (talk) 18:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Brilliant, I'll have a look at it tonight. I'm a bit concerned that we could be getting into too much detail on his death section, but if that becomes a complaint we could easily create an article like Death of John Lennon which is also a GA article. Small problem, I'm off on holidays from Saturday for a week, and it looks wi-fi-less (which I think is a feature my wife looks for in booking a holiday location). I'm sure that Silktork will understand if we need a little more time. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we don't want to re-write the whole of DNT's book there, just to get the events in the right order. And we certainly don't want it to be the biggest section in the whole article. But I think his death falls short of the notability of Lennon's. But an idea, perhaps. SilkTork does not seem in too much of a rush. And we're still two years away from Dylan's centenary! Have a good holiday. I know exactly what your wife means! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

No further replies

Martin, I'm no longer replying at Jimbo's page - I cannot continue to contest flat out lies without looking desperate, and indeed making it look like I believe being an admin is "a big deal" as I have been accused of. Cherry-picking, bad faith, and flat out lies are surprising - hell, RFA was not as bad as that. Indeed, I agree, the community put me there - and as someone stated on my talkpage, I could theoretically ignore Jimbo's recommendation as it holds no true weight - which you also confirm. What I said is truly not grounds for desysop, nor are any of the statements/actions I have ever taken on this project. Taken out of context, we can make anyone/anything look bad. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Bw, I think you are a worthy and committed admin. Sometimes you're a little too abrupt. You are now caught in a very awkward position where immediately taking Jimbo's advice might have saved you. I certainly bear no grudges towards you. I have always admired your sheer work-rate as an admin. I just felt I had to ask a rather obvious and rhetorical "political" question. You cannot be accused of "running to Jimbo Mom", you seem to have been dragged there. Apologies and best regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Not to drag this on, but my first post in there where I stated that I had contacted Jimbo and was awaiting his reply should have been the end of the entire thread. Instead, I started to counter the lies and pile-ons ... should have just left it as it was I suppose. I appreciate your support and honesty. Cheers (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Admins are often in a very difficult position. They often get, as you say, "piled on" whenever someone complains. At least you have had the decency to respond in a very reasonable and civil way. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Varlaam sock

Really appreciate your comments on my talk page. Thanks Martin. Daicaregos (talk) 14:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I find it rather curious that Varlaam should openly add helpful notes in his ediit summaries to tell anyone watching that he's Varlamm and that he's currently blocked. I guess some editors have a different interpretation of what "blocked" means. But, evenso, I think he should have steered well clear of personal comments. I could not defend those. Perhaps he wants an indef block? Which would be rather a shame for a veteran editor who has been contribuuing since 2004. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Google doodle

Hi Martin, many articles don't include the Google doodle mentions, including Borges. WP doesn't work by precedent. See WP:OTHERCRAP for more details. Span (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiSpeak

Hello Martin, Copied'n'pasted this below as I was referring to you on another's page. All the best, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiSpeak

Hi! I have just reinstated your addition (last night) to Misplaced Pages:WikiSpeak, which had been reverted. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 06:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It is one thing when people revert you on an ordinary article and disregard your views but it is all the more humiliating when your sense of humour is called into question! I tried a few tweaks, hopefully they improved it to everyone's satisfaction. Ankh.Morpork 10:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is fine. Great contribution! I see my friend Martin followed my reverting Nobody Ent back to your original ... he has sharp eyes ... noticed the missing 'n'. He and I enjoy each other's sense of humour, and feel Misplaced Pages is all the better for injecting some from time to time. Sadly, many disagree. I have tweaked it a little as follows:

/* T */ AnkhMorpork ... that is great! Made a couple of tweaks: updated the dash ; Quotation in italics

Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha, yes quite inventive. We all know that a Talk Page is really the best place to insult other editirs and then to insult the admin who decides to block you for being uncivil... you freakin' idiots!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I liked your edit summary on your 'n' edit – pithy. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Back off, dude - I can't cope with the praise!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey! Your attempt of assuming modesty fools nobody. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Modest

"notorious killjoy"

It seems there's a strange kind of "joy" that you've been "killing" recently.... Of course, we all knew about the notoriety anyway, but that's a different story haha... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, alas, now that my Nobel Prize is out in the open, my cover is well and truly blown, "sob". But, as they say on Misplaced Pages, I think, "looks like a duck, quacks like a sock" (or is it a chicken - I can never remember), whatever that means. Oh well, the iniquitous bingo-halls and chip-shops of Rochdale will get no peace from me, I can assure you. And I never got into that edition of Crimewatch! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

(That was, in fact, the second funniest thing I've seen at Misplaced Pages this year. And it's only July! yay!) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Well I've got to ask, what's the funniest? Would it take place in an iniquitous chip-shop? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Quite probably. But I think it's carefully hidden away in Keifer.Wolfowitz's Talk Page archive, and if I go and drag it out again it will probably be seen as grounds for him getting another 28 day "Guantanamo Bay Block". If I do find it, I'll be sure to let you know! But thank you, PC White of the humour police, for bringing that little gem to my attention. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Anytime. Actually I was surprised that you hadn't already seen it, but then I think your watchlist gets quite large (oooh, matron...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I tried to reduce it, honest, matron, but it just got me blocked! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha. If seeing that diff has tickled you, would you say that your countenance is now akin to that of that well-known bon viveur, TV's Tony Walmsley? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Sheesh. This guy is amazing. Admin material if ever I saw it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Those poor admins - halos or horns? I like the way our guy created a new user account, but put his old one in brackets, so everyone still knows who he is.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Bless. I think he's actually quite genuine. They sometimes have those very tricky spiky halos, that are quite sharp and pointy and blood-stained... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

They sound good, I think I'm going to ask for one of those for Christmas haha... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

ouch! I just got cut on the sharp irony there. Yours, "Young Nehamkin" (older than Old Nehamkin)....

"Isn't all mankind ultimately executed for a crime it never committed?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

"I was supposed to go at five o'clock, but I have a smart lawyer. Got leniency."

Haha, extra time - or penalty time? I think we should all have smart lawyers provided for us on the NHS - might reduce a few health problems...

Strangely, that reminds me of a quote by that shrinking violet Pete Burns - when he was asked in an interview what he thought of the nuclear bomb, he replied that he thought that "every home should have one..." PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I would like to defend my edits but not in a public forum

Mr Martinevans123, I was blocked from making edits to the Jackie Mason page and would like to defend my edits, but I can't in a public forum do to privacy issues concerning the relationship I have with subject matter of the article. I respect the work you do greatly, and the service that wikipedia provides the world, but it also can do harm because of malicious people. Is there a way to defend my position to you in a private thread or other means of direct communication? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayBaw (talk • contribs) 20:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, SayBaw. Yes, I think some editors found your previous edits at that article somewhat contentious. But you simply broke a wikipedia rule - the three revert rule (see WP:3RR) - and then continued with further "edit waring", which led to you being blocked for a month. You seem to be a very sincere contributor and seem to be close to the subject of that article. But personal information and private sources count for nothing at wikipedia, I'm afraid. You are very welcome to email me privately if you see the need. But I am unable to make any representations to anyone on your behalf. I can offer no better advice than that you need to provide reliable sources for any of your edits. And if you find yourself being "reverted", don't just reverse that revert, but open a discussion on the article Talk Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Ask for help expanding Jade Bailey (footballer)

I am the creator of the article Jade Bailey (footballer). I came here hoping to ask for help in expanding it because you added a note concerning her on http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2012_Summer_Olympics_opening_ceremony#David_Beckham_handing_over_the_torch. I don't know enough to do a good article here. I need 1500 characters to get it past http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Jade_Bailey_(footballer) . I don't think we're quite there yest but I have expanded the article further. I may not be able to contribute much this week, so if you can help or suggest someone else who can help, then that would help a lot. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure that "being seen by 1 billion people" necessarily makes her notable.. although if she'd dropped the torch, then maybe it would have! How many characters are you still short of? Not really sure what I could add. But thanks for asking. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

We are about 300 chars short for a DYK. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 18:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thomas image

If you are mailing the Dylan Thomas trust re: a usable image. You may wish to mention that as part of the Dylan Thomas celebration we intend to have Thomas as the featured article on the 4th(?) most popular website in the world on the day of his 100th birthday. May give us some leverage. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, will mention that. They have a very interesting biog up on their site at the moment, of one Nora Summers, who looks like she might deserve her own article here! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

2012 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations

In this article you keep removing a reference to music from Ireland (U2) being played. You refer to the talk page but there is no discussion of this in the talk page? What is your rationale for removing the fact that Irish music was being played? 81.170.234.118 (talk) 12:52, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, ip from Sweden. The only reason I "keep removing" it, is because other editors "keep re-adding it". But I'm not the only one. You need to look in the Talk Page archive, e.g. . If you still feel strongly about it, then by all means open a another discussion topic about it on the Talk Page. But I think the consensus will be that it should not be given a general mention in that way. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

But what is your rationale? You say other "nations" (in quotation marks) also had music played. Which other nations are you referring to? 81.170.234.118 (talk) 14:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I wonder did you see this (which, as you can see, has been marked as "Resolved"): ? Also, I'm not sure that pop music has the same "nationality" attached to it as does traditional music. Yes U2 are Irish, and yes of course Ireland is a nation. But if we asked Bono "Do you play Irish music"? What do you think he would say? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

He wouldn't say, "I play British music." Since the music of many nations was played, but mainly Britain, you can easily change it to "British and world music". I don't see the problem with that. It's accurate as the ceremony focused mainly on British music, with a mix here and there of some other nations. But just putting exclusively British is factually inaccurate. 81.170.234.118 (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Quite so, I suspect he'd say "I play Rock music". Where do you see the phrase "exclusively British"? The key sentences currently used are: "The overwhelming majority of the music was to be British" and "The choice of music for the ceremony was a wide and eclectic selection to showcase mainly British music" - which most editors seem to agree are also perfectly factually accurate. If you think they should be changed, or some other credits given, then by all means make fresh suggestions on the Talk Page. I note that Boyle's views on Indian music are already discussed in the article. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

In the current article (http://en.wikipedia.org/2012_Summer_Olympics_Parade_of_Nations) it simply says "iconic modern music of Britain." Britain is mentioned exclusively, with no suggestion of the music of any other country and/or geographical region (in the case of NI) being made. This makes the article factually incorrect. 81.170.234.118 (talk) 18:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. The word "exclusively" is not mentioned. But my view is that the current version of the article is perfectly adequate and in no way factually inaccurate. But I also see that "Irish band U2" are explicitly mentioned by name. My advice to you remains the same: open a discussion on the article Talk Page. You may find other editors who agree with you! Is that clear?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see "Irish band U2" mentioned in the article, are we talking about the same thing? Simply changing the sentence in the opening paragraph to "iconic modern music of Britain and the world" would fix everything. It's an incredibly simple and minor change that perfectly reflects the music played. There is absolutely no viable reason not do do so. 81.170.234.118 (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, I was referring to 2012 Summer Olympics opening ceremony. I have now changed and linked the heading above to 2012 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations to clarify what we are discussing. I have been assuming all along that arguments made describing the music apply equally to these two different articles. There has, in fact, been no separate discussion at the Parade article. So you may be right in your comment, as non-British music featured more prominently, as a larger proportion. I will not revert your change if you make one. But others still might. So you'd still be best advised to open a discussion topic. Apologies once again for the confusion. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Electric Brae

The information you've copied from Gravity Hill doesn't assist in the understanding of the illusion at the Electric Brae. All other explanations advise the absence of a horizon - however the opposite is true at this location. It's a thoroughly un-nerving place to be but well worth a visit as it's probably the best of it's kind.

Would you please revert back to my last edit? The entry I added entitled "Cause" is harmless, absent of original research and puts an end to a >70 year old mystery. NARkwS (talk) 19:04, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. You are obviously very enthusiastic about this particular topic. I have opened a thread here, so that all discussion may be kept in one place. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the debate. After my most recent updates on the Talk page I'm resigning from the research. I'm hopeful that the Talk page remains for at least a while. I don't know any journalists, but having it there would give some the opportunity to investigate it themselves and hopefully result in a publication, thus allowing the new information to be part of the Misplaced Pages article. NARkwS (talk) 20:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries. But you don't need to resign - just see it as temporary break. There are 4 million other articles for you to contribute to whenever you wish! That Talk Page is a pretty slow one, so it will probably be many months, or even years, before it gets archived - but it will never go away completely. Electric Brae is many miles from my home, but I hope I may visit one day. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There's other interests that I'll undoubtedly return to Misplaced Pages for and will have a better approach to contributing next time. It's just the Brae I'm resigning from. It's seriously eery, so much so that I hadn't even looked at any of my road photographs until you mentioned that other one. I skipped over all of them to see the best coastals. This might explain why no-one takes much interest there. On my first visit to the Brae I encountered a Discovery Channel filming crew and told them (on film) that I didn't believe it to be an illusion. I study (a version of) gravity so was keen to see how the Brae could help there - although it turns out that this 'Gravity' hill really doesn't have anything gravitationally special about it after all. If you ever visit be sure to make a list of things you're going to do, because if you leave it to memory the Brae will see you gone without doing half of them! Until next time. NARkwS (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Curious...

Why? Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ghm. Guardian angel yet again. Derek's Talk Page is on my watchlist from ages back. (Coincidentally so is RC's) Occasionally my ancient laptop and mouse combination "have a spazz" (technical term, there) and start inserting on anything on my page at random. I thought I had averted disaster, but apparently not. Most embarassing (and looks like a hopelessly invented excuse, I'm afraid). But as you can see, I have really had no interest in that last exchange. I'd better also apologise to those two editors! Thanks again. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

My talk page

No problem - I was more than puzzled though, to say the very least. All's well that ....

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I am so sorry Derek. I was just on my way to your talk page to apologise. It's as if my remote mouse suddenly decides to insert on anything at random - including any visible UNDO options. I'm sure it will end one day - when I get a newer laptop! I am very grateful to Guy for alerting me. Thanks for your understanding. (wow, have you really made as many edits as that!) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I get the same problem on my laptop - oversensitive touch pad in my case. The difficulty is in trying to prise my teenage son off the PC when he's watching South Park videos... Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:27, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

"Good faith" ?

Here's yesterday's favourite recipe for a "good-natured and collaborative collegiate environment":

Ingredients and method "d'un seul coup":

1. Dare to improve an article that has been a Featured Article, and A Good Article nominee since April 2008.
2. Notice that an anon ip has added unsourced material in the wrong place.
3. Try to correct that mistake, but also try to introduce additional material from an associated article.
4. When this is reverted by another editor as unsupported, open a discussion thread and then ask questions about what the current article actually means (fatal mistake?)
5. Try to add something else from the associated article, but get told by that editor it's "uncited and irrelevant" and be given a suggestion to go and improve the other article.
6. Suggest that errors which seem obvious to that editor could be corrected by that editor himself.
7. Get told "Go fix the fucking article yourself, don't try telling me what I ought to do... you clearly have no idea how to write a decent encyclopedia article"
8. Go to the editor's Talk Page to leave a comment, but then see that the article (with a helpful link to the above sequence), has been "obsessively "improved" by those too ignorant and lazy to have done the work themselves, or to improve any of the supporting articles."

First dowse in turgid duck pond-water for 30-40 hours. Then toast liberally upon a very warm bonfire (suggest a big heap of facts).

(Random) Readers of the article, if there are any, may (liberally) add their own seasoning to produce a lovely appetising dish, commonly called (in Barley and neighbouring Pendle villages) "meaning".

Yes, so much for Good Faith. But apparently I'm now "a true believer". How much more comfortable not be a recusant. "Bon 'appen-tit" as they say in deepest darkest Lancashire.

"Just add water, makes it's own sauce" - Jimmy Wales

Acchh, it was only Malleus getting pissy again. So, what's new? Check out his block log. Just steer clear of any of their precious and patently unimprovable (!) FAs, and all will be well. When he sobers up, he might even think about saying sorry. See you back here soon. (Hums new national anthem......) Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Some thoughts

A few lines from someone who once - briefly - retired:

"As I sat at home one night listening to the radio, DJ Kid Jensen was playing, 'Say Hello, Wave Goodbye'. 'We shall miss Marc Almond,' he said. I panicked. 'No, wait,' I thought, 'I'm still here, I didn't really retire.' I phoned the radio station and told him that I was back, stronger and louder than ever, and a bemused Kid Jensen responded by playing 'Million Manias' from Torment and Toreros. It felt good to be back, I think. It certainly felt good to hear that 'Fuck you, baby' at the end of the song being played on the BBC. I was determined not to let people beat me down. I was not going away again. I was going to go on and make even better records. I was going to sing loud. The next day I went to the Some Bizarre offices, leaned out of the window, and announced I was back, throwing black silk roses down to a handful of waiting fans." (Tainted Life - the autobigraphy, p210)

On the subject of a recent exchange, my view is that unfortunately it's quite common for people with a certain level of intelligence to mistakenly believe that the perceived ownership and exercise of such an attribute is somehow more important than treating all human beings with respect. Needless to say I think such individuals have a lot to learn.

Also needless to say is that I'm sure you'll always find a few folks here willing to catch some black silk roses... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I would like to add that I was sad to see the banner at the top of your page. Believe me, I understand the frustrations of working in this place, but sometimes it's best to just shrug your shoulders, accept that some things just are and can't be changed and move on to something else. There are plenty of things to improve here (like the collaboration on Dylan Thomas which seems to be going well). If you do decide to stop your work here, could I ask that you just take a break instead of intending to retire completely? If when you return you still feel it's not to you, fair enough, but please don't close that door. In the meantime, if you find any articles you think should be brought up to GA, I would be happy to collaborate with you on them. Just let me know. Cheers for now. Daicaregos (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Shirenewton Hall

On 10 August 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shirenewton Hall, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 1988 BBC television film The Woman He Loved, about the abdication of King Edward VIII, was partially shot at Shirenewton Hall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shirenewton Hall. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)