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Image copyright tags

I noticed that you recently uploaded Image:Jeremygbyrne userpic1.jpg for your user page. But under Misplaced Pages's policies, you still have to add an image copyright tag. (Like {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:14, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Doh. Thanks for reminding me. — JEREMY 06:59, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I suggest you change your license on this image as soon as possible. As per WP:CSD Images/Media #5 ('copyright images'), it'll be deleted within the next 24 hours. I would suggest using a Public Domain license instead. That guideline states:

Copyrighted images uploaded without permission of the copyright holder, or under a license which does not permit commercial use, which are not used in any article, and which has been tagged with a template which places them in Category:Orphaned fairuse images for more than seven days (so-called "orphaned fair use images").

// Pathoschild 02:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Refusal to serve in the Israeli military

I didn't notice you were editing when I was making this change. I do think it's best to use their exact wording anyway on what exactly they were refusing to do. --MPerel 08:05, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Hey dude why you edit my comment about euthenasia?

Thank you

Thanks for fixing all the sigs, especially mine on Talk:Islam. Keep up the good work. --Anonymous editor 18:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Why no ALL in Search?

Anyone know a quick way to check all the tickboxen on the Search page? Surely there should be an "All" checkbox in the 'Search in namespaces' section. — JEREMY 12:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleted Image:Jeremygbyrne userpic1.jpg

I don't seem to have a copy of this image (which was scanned from an old photo at my parents' rural property), so I can't re-upload it with the appropriate tags. Could you please put it somewhere I can download it from? Thanks very much. — JEREMY 07:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have a copy of it either. It's possible someone with more technical knowledge can retrieve it for you from a database dump or something. Perhaps if you ask at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical). dbenbenn | talk 18:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Just to make sure you notice. Please see Misplaced Pages:Lost images. It's probably still at answers.com. -- Rick Block (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Offensive

Ok, I'll bite: why should this not be deleted straight away as a reposted copy of validly deleted material?
brenneman 02:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for talking, rather than just speedy-deleting! I'll take this to the template's talk. — JEREMY 02:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The template is exactly the same as the 2005 version. I saw your talkpage note, where you said "it's different because it could be used on different offensive pages now". I disagree. The 2005 template could have been used in the context you assert, and the recreation could be used for the issues raised in 2005. The template looks the same, contains the same text, and is used for the same purposes. It failed TfD in October 2005, and as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 02:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, never mind. I was comparing it with the copy you created earlier today, not with the 2005 version. My apologies.

I have discussed the issue with another admin, and will undelete the template for you. I do believe that it was inappropriate for you to recreate it when User:MarkSweep deleted it (you might say that it's inappropriate for me to undelete it now, but the difference is I'm talking to Mark anyway, whereas you're doing what you're doing and then saying "ohh, but I'll stop if it's going to get me blocked). fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 02:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I did put a note on Mark's talk page — but thanks again for being reasonable and assuming good faith. — JEREMY 05:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Cartoons

Dear Jeremy, I have a different suggestion to solve the dispute:

• This article is about the controversy, not about the cartoons. There is no reason to put all of them here.
• The idea that 'everybody should see the cartoons and decide himself' is meaningless and pointless in my opinion. A Westerner hardly can see anything wrong with them, but Muslims will be ofended and feel insulted.

So, only one cartoon (maybe an artist drawing picture) which is less provocative can be replaced with this one. That cartoon gives a good summary of the phenomena, and yet, doesn't offend anybody as the main object of the cartoon is the artist instead. Resid Gulerdem 05:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that, at this time, that's a lost argument. In any case, you'd only have to make another article to link the cartoons from, which people would then refer to. (Indeed, the cartoon collage could be linked to from outside, even it didn't appear on any article.) Misplaced Pages doesn't like to hide things if they're of popular interest, so a solution must be found which doesn't involve making it difficult to find the cartoons on wikipedia if you're actually looking for them. — JEREMY 05:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Semi-automated link sorting

• Hello. This page was semi-automatically modified to sort links to my user page in a meaningful way. Sorry, no other new message. :) // Pathoschild (_admin / ) 04:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad Cartoons

Thanks for adding your comments in the Muhammad cartoons controversy talk page. I have spent an extremely inordinant amount of time defending edits that would otherwise seem not at all controversial. Would you mind visiting that page occassionally? your comments could provide a voice of reason. PaxTerra 11:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

np. I'm not sure how much time I can spend patrolling for POV on that page, though. I've probably given it my best shot with Poll #4. I'm disappointed there seems no interest at all in labelling the article to try to ameliorate the negative impression wikipedia's very political stance has made on some people. But what can you do? — JEREMY 11:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Antichrist & Shiites

You reverted my last edit after I improved it. Also it already had a reference to a WorldNetDaily page. What do you mean by "it needs a citation"? 07:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that; hadn't notice you'd made changes. The problem is, the information is in the wrong section. It needs to be in the section dedicated to the (innumerable) identifications of people with the Antichrist, which is where I moved it. (I put it with the LaHaye stuff because it's an identification made by similar folks.) Note that Sunni Muslims also believe in the Mahdi (although they don't believe he is the so-called Twelfth Imam), and that Islam has its own Antichrist called ad-Dajjal, a much better fit for the Christian figure than Mahdi, who is always depicted as a positive figure allied to Jesus. — JEREMY 08:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Many people may not be aware that despite the name "Antichrist" sounding quite evil, it actually means "Pseudo Christ". In this case, "anti" means "instead of". Thus this person will appear to be Christ to the majority, and will be followed as such until Satan enters him after 3.5 years of his rule. 09:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

You must be aware that these beliefs and interpretations are far from universal, and that there are many other historical and modern day figures who fit one or more of the descriptions of the Antichrist. To specifically highlight a ("godly") religious figure from Islam, as though this identification were uniquely specific or generally accepted, is POV. By all means cite third-party sources for these interpretations, and include them in the Contemporary Identifications' section, but be aware that this identification is one of many. — JEREMY 09:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Mitsubishi

UPDATE TO MITSUBISHI PAGE Hey do you like my update to the mitsubishi page?

Reverted?

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Re:Reverted?

You posted a stub about a Canadian singer.I didnt revert it yet its still there if you want to expand it.Sorry about the automated message.

Link Removed!!?

On the Mahdi page I had put a link to another page created for Prophetic Traditions referring to Mahdi. It was removed. Could you give me a hint what would be the best place I could put it?? I would be Wikifying the Traditions page gradually. Any suggestions? Thanks.

I've now moved the link to "See also", but the article really needs work to comply with wikipedia's standards. (I'd quickly bulk-remove all the PBUHs, AZs etc. if you don't want to upset the Christian fundamentalists, and rewrite as much of it as you can to avoid copyvio claims, for example.) — JEREMY 03:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Ya, Got It :) Azgs

Censorship

I am trying to make some improvements in the project Censorship. I thought you might want to know about it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 16:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to write a new policy Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics. I am very busy but believe strongly on having some standards in Wiki. I would appreciate if you can review it and incoorporate new ideas you might want to add. Your contribution is greatly appreciated. I cannot finish it without help. Best. Resid Gulerdem 00:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy, I would appreciate your suggestion and contribution on Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics proposal. Some people want to kill the process and I would like to put it into a useful form. Any comment or contribution would be appreciated. Resid Gulerdem 06:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Tomshear newspage.jpg

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Talkpage

Sure thing. An IP - circumventing a block, and which has since been blocked - mass-spammed talk pages of users to garner support. I mass-reverted (it's spam, and disruption). I hope that answers your query, and I apologise if you did not wish for me to do so on your talk page. NSLE _(T+C) at 11:33 UTC (2006-03-18)

Accusations

Jeremy! Please retract your accusation about me here. They are baseless and inflammatory. ॐ Metta Bubble 06:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I didn't realise it wasn't your intent. Sorry to disturb. ॐ Metta Bubble 07:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

I cannot find you being blocked in the block log. Are you on AOL? Could you give me your IP address? NSLE _(T+C) at 07:18 UTC (2006-03-22)

I seem to have been unblocked now; thanks anyway. — JEREMY 11:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Translation request

Hi Jeremy! The Arabic visible in the image is rather a random collection of words in Qur'anic style. I'd still recomend you to ask someone else about it in case i am wrong. Cheers -- Szvest 15:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Aha. This reinforces my suspicion that the depiction was not made "in good faith" (or was at least made in negligent ignorance). Thanks very much for that; I'll ask one of the other Arabic translators to confirm it. — JEREMY 15:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I liked your second set of changes better to the V for Vendetta article

In the novel, I believe that the reader was forced to judge whether or not V was a terrorist or a freedom fighter. (The film was a lot less ambiguous, and he seems a lot nobler in it.)

I think any description of V in the film should have elements of both in it, leaning more towards the more positive side. In a perfect world, the description in the *film* should be more of a freedom fighter, while the novel more terrorist/anarchist, while the article on V the man should balance both.

That's my 2 cents.--P-Chan 04:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. — JEREMY 04:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Wikiethics

Hi Jeremy, the discussion on the Wikiethics page is continuing at the personal confict level. If you believe the important of the proposal I would apprecaite for your contributions and appearance on the discussion page. Please note that this proposal cannot be completed or become successful without your contributions. Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 03:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

IP at "Fictional universe"

Thanks for your comment about trademark being relevant to the issue of fictional universes and so-called "intellectual property". I'm not completely familiar with fictional universes nor their legal ramifications. I suppose you're right that there could be disputes over trademark rights ("Harry Potter", "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") in the contect of discussion fictional universes. But in that particular sentence, IP was concerned over the combined works of multiple authors, or shared universe, which would definitely be concerned only with copyright. --71.161.210.207 18:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Please justify your removal of the insanity section. -Objectivist-C 03:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

See the comments in the text; the section is not removed, just commented-out, but it needs cites before it is credible enough to include. — JEREMY 03:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

This is nonsense. "These guys are nuts" is not seriously questioning sanity, nor is belief in apocalyptic myths,

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the latter point. -Objectivist-C 03:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the other point as well, in context I would say he was genuinely expressing reservations about their mental state.

I'm going to have to question your judgment here. In any case, the opinion of a US Army officer about the mental state of anyone is utterly irrelevant and non-encyclopaedic. It's also obvious propaganda. — JEREMY 06:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

That isn't the only reference in the section; furthermore, the article title is 'Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad', not 'Indubitable facts surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad', and it has already been established that his sanity is, in fact, a topic of debate. -Objectivist-C 16:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Good job

Good job, Jeremy.--Aminz 11:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Err... which bit? — JEREMY 11:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedic tone

Re your comments on my talk page. I appreciate your desire to reach out and communicate with me. However, I'd like to make clear, it's not "my edits" that I've attempted to defend. This article is full of edits from many, many people. What I object to is what seems to me a reflexive need to stray from encyclopedic tone.Timothy Usher 00:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamic eschatology

I removed the Qadiani (Ahmadi) religious beliefs from Islamic related page.

Siddiqui 15:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

While I recognise that mainstream Islam does not regard Ahmadi beliefs as Islamic, it is not reasonable to exclude those beliefs from all articles "tagged" as Islamic, so long as those beliefs are as clearly labelled, as those were. I'm going to restore them, and move this discussion to Talk:Islamic eschatology. — JEREMY 05:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for your comment

I saw a recent posting you made to User:Timothy_Usher's talk page . I agree with your comments about the community consensus we believe in but I am finding it very hard to reason with him in a civil manner devoid of constant attacks. In light of this, I have put his user name on the Administrator notice board for his harassment of me on talk pages and my own user page because I see no other option of dealing with him. I would like to either request your comment on the notice or ask permission to post a link to the diff showing your comment on his talk page. User247 02:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I think my comments on Timothy are best summarised in that paragraph. You don't need to ask my permission to link to it. — JEREMY 05:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Ultraman

Jeremy,

I, too, remember Ultraman fondly.

Regarding the content issue, I don't know what else to suggest except to ask other editors, which we've done and can continue to do, or a request for comment. I've never done that... . ..in fact, I've not been the first to request admin involvement on any page or with any user. MuslimsofUmreka got a sympathetic admin to lock his sock-supported version of the page, and then continued to abuse people on the talk page as racists, homosexuals, etc., while insisting that non-Muslims had no right to participate. I wouldn't have bothered to report this had he and the editor in the section above not already involved several admins on their behalf. And he wasn't blocked for anything he'd said to me, though he'd said enough, but something he posted on Kyaa the Catlord's home page about the KKK.

Similarly, User:Deuterium - someone else had already brought it to ANI. I didn't know about his dossier on me and several other editors until Tom harrison directed me to the page in regard to the Talk:Islamism blocks against MOU and Kyaa to advocate for Kyaa, whom I thought had done nothing wrong.

Finally this McKhan fellow: again, he'd just gotten an admin (what do you know, same one as with Islamism!) to lock in his version of a page which can only be desribed as a hit piece Al-Ahbash, and then proceeded to relentlessly personalize the discussion, accusing me of having an agenda to whitewash the sect (which I'd never heard of prior to arrival), against whom he appears to be waging a personal vendetta for reasons wholly unknown to me.

So there it is: my defense.

Oh, the content issue on Muhammad - we do need more opinions, preferably from those with little or no history of editting Islam-related issues. I'm just uncertain who or how to ask.Timothy Usher 10:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

As you'd asked after my motives earlier, perhaps deletionist is closest to the truth. See my most recent edits to Christianity (more to come) and User talk:Irishpunktom\proposed Infidel. It feels strange to defend myself in this way, but WP can be in some cases a inherently paranoid environment - for starters, we cannot see one another's facial expressions, or hear tone of voice, further there are a good number of editors who do not act in good faith - and it's important to me to establish a good relationship with you, even if/that we don't always agree.Timothy Usher 11:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Hi, do you have an email address; I need some info from you? Thank youZmmz 05:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zmmz. Yes, I do have an email address. However, if this is a wikipedia-related matter, I'd much prefer to keep all such correspondence open and public (ie. to use this page). Hope that's OK. — JEREMY 05:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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Australian Army personal weapons

To be honest, I have no idea if private soldiers are issued with 9mm handguns. My view is that it is likely that they are, as they'd be used as a last resort for self-defence once the personal weapon (i.e. assault rifle or similar) failed/ran out of ammunition. This certainly seems standard in US forces, and is most likely the same in the British Army too, so I'd guess the Australians would follow similar practice. I'm trying to find some way fo finding out, but it's a question of putting together the right search phrase!! Sorry I can't be more help at the moment. Hammersfan 27/04/06, 10.20 BST

GA

hi Jeremy -- as I said, I am not desperate to see the cartoon article listed as 'good' right now, mainly because it is too long and recentist. My position is more general, that a single user with an axe to grind should not be allowed to disrupt the rating process. The specific "display the cartoons inline" debate that seems to play into this is a dead and decayed horse, I won't comment any more on it. dab (ᛏ) 10:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Allah = God

I don't like to put Allah in paranthesis either. --Aminz 07:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

It was just a temporary compromise. --Aminz 08:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Right, and now it's clear why it was good that I decided to follow Aminz's edits after the Allah/God question was seemingly settled. Netscott 08:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

jeremy, forgive my saying so but I get the distinct impression that you think I'm anti-Muslim. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you take a small bit of time and follow my contributions you will see that all that I do is edit for NPOV. I consider myself truly balanced in my editing relative to Islam/Muslim topics.

I'm curious to know why you do not want to spread the name Allah outright and feel you must 'perk peoples curiosity' in order to in a sense 'trick' them into discovering what Allah is about? I believe this name is not understood enough and that only through spreading it will people come to better understand what it represents.

Thank you for your apology, I greatly appreciated it. Netscott 08:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

If you take a small bit of time and follow my contributions you will see that all that I do is edit for NPOV. I'm sorry, but that is not the impression I've gained since I first came across you in February. Perhaps that will change, given time. I'm curious to know why you do not want to spread the name Allah outright and feel you must 'perk peoples curiosity' in order to in a sense 'trick' them into discovering what Allah is about? I believe many people don't realise that "Allah = God", and that those who are actually interested in reading about "God" in the context of an islamic article will find the link to the Allah article useful. If I close one eye and squint real hard, I can almost see why you might think this is a "trick", but I assure you it is actually a good faith attempt to educate two distinct groups of readers: those who (to quote Aminz) equate Allah with Satan, and those who don't, but might be interested to learn more about islamic religious beliefs. — JEREMY 09:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, User:Timothy Usher seems to see deception in such editing as well. Besides, as I've just explained on User:Aminz's page the name Allah shouldn't be hidden but should be shown outright. To me hiding only makes one inclined to wonder, "Why is Allah hidden? Why does one need to be tricked in order to find information about Allah?" Such editing strikes me sooner as seeds for doubt. Netscott 09:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The deception isn't necessarily deliberate. Speaking from awkward experience, the POV forks force editors to make a choice both whether to translate or not, and if so (and we should) which fork to link to. In Islam-related articles, there will always be a reasonable case to be made that we should link to the Islamic fork.

My proposal to deal with this - mercilessly - is on Aminz' talk page. In brief, all links to shared concepts (religious or otherwise) should be in nearly every case to the main English-title article. If daughter articles are needed from there, so they are (although these should have English-language titles), but the links should be, in this case, to ], not to ] or to ]. Similarly with the Jesus/Isa, Moses/Musa, Gabriel/Jibril and analogous forks.Timothy Usher 09:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)