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Damascus battle

Please stop, if you want to create a new article on the current battle in Damascus than do that but at the moment that article you are editing is about the fighting for the last two months and there is an ongoing debate to merge it to the 2011-2012 Damascus clashes. You cant rename while a discussion is ongoing. Create a new article for the current Damascus battle. EkoGraf (talk) 18:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Here lets create it together Battle of Damascus (2012). Ok? :) EkoGraf (talk) 18:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, you can make it as it seems it deserves its own page. --DanielUmel (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, seems thats enough for a start. :) EkoGraf (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Adding comment by Alhaunty

The Neutral Reports confirmed that the Opposition has taken control over Al-Midan and Al-Hagar-Al-Aswad and Al-Tadamon All of the neighborhoods lie in South Damascus . with clashes over the rest of the neighborhoods. So stop Changing it. (Alhanuty (talk) 22:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC))

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July 2012

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Aleppo on map

I fixed it ASAP :D --Wustenfuchs 16:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

you're required to provide reliable sources, or else it will be considered as a vandalism, and it will be reported to an administrator. Ahmad2099 (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

3RR violation

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August 2012

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And be more careful with the edit warring, it's pointless. Rather insist on sources and try to solve the problem at the talk page.

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Casualties list

All of those in the table are confirmed by the opposition themselves. If they have been confirmed by the rebels themselves than it is most certainly true and verified, simple logic. Also, 90 percent of those in the table have been confirmed by name by SOHR, the VDC and the Syrian Shuhada body-counting groups. If we are to have any real approximate count we need to stick as best as we can to the numbers coming from one source and at a constant interval. In this case that's the opposition or semi-opposition groups. And most of them are coordinating among themselves so the numbers are for the most part unified. The government does not give out constant figures on the number of rebels killed, only sporadicly and on occasion, and the fighters killed are in most cases not confirmed by name. It's a matter of verifibility if you understand me. EkoGraf (talk) 13:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Didn't see the 16 rebels killed at Daraa (which were reported by the opposition) mentioned in the report. Thanks for pointing them out to me, will add them. :) EkoGraf (talk) 14:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

SOHR rebel toll

An editor has expressed reservation at my attempt to combine SOHR-only day-to-day numbers of rebels killed into a unified death toll and wants to remove the full toll on the basis that it is OR if the full toll itself was not cited. I have stated that I agree with him if the figures were coming from different organisations, but in this case it is coming from one organisation with its own constant methodology. I have proposed that the toll be removed temporarily until the discussion is resolved and we include other editors. Your opinion would be appreciated. Discussion here Talk:Casualties of the Syrian civil war. EkoGraf (talk) 12:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Shabiha

I don't like it ether personally, but per Misplaced Pages rules we go with what the majority of reliable sources are calling them. That's simply how it is. EkoGraf (talk) 17:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

What is reliable source? How rebels are more reliable than Al-Berri tribe members? --DanielUmel (talk) 17:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sources

Well you didn't that time

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012)&diff=506403695&oldid=506398052 I7laseral (talk) 16:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Because the full report had not come yet in English at that time. But I never add false information. --DanielUmel (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Government claim on Battle of Damascus

Your claim for 476 is an unsourced number. 600 not really. Read the two sources beside it. First source is for casualties before the tadamoun battle and says hundreds killed (that can translate to at least 300), second source says 300 killed in tadamoun battle. That is 600. EkoGraf (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

476 is the addition of all the casualties that have been reported. Your 600 number is an apothecary count based on a vague "hundreds" description. Hundreds equal 300 is not a calcul we can make on Misplaced Pages --DanielUmel (talk) 17:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

There is no source for the 476. EkoGraf (talk) 14:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It is the 1+1+1 that we do in all pages. --DanielUmel (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, no sources, and that summing up that happened before was actually a mixture of government and opposition claims. The two sources that concretly say hundreds before Tadamon and 300 during Tadamon are the best we got. Ok if you are the oppinion that 300 doesn't fit hundreds than compromise. 200-300 and that's 500-600 but that is a whole lot better than 476 based on 30 sources and not all the same ones. EkoGraf (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, they did not all come just from the government, but opposition, journalists etc. That is more of a violation of OR than two government exclusive sources. We need to have figures all from one unified source. Also, one more problem with the 476 figure, it does not cover all of the period of the battle, just part of it. Listen, we got one government source that says hundreds (translated 200-300) and 300 during Tadamon. That is 500-600. If we look at your 476 figure and the lack of figures for certain days that is most likely than over 500. Which would be in line with 500-600. This is my compromise proposition. EkoGraf (talk) 14:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The same thing has been done for all Syrian battle pages. It can't be used as an argument or original search since it is only basic logic. Also your hundreds is not a governement source, it is australian newspaper source. --DanielUmel (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

When I said a government source I wasn't talking about the website. I was talking about who made the hundreds claim. And the Australian article cited government sources that hundreds of rebels were killed (before Tadamoun). EkoGraf (talk) 14:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I did give a valid reason before any removal, but the person who has added it again, has done the same addition without a justification. please find my last two contribution to the page and my visit to the talk page. Ahmad2099 (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Press TV

I'm not here to ask you to revert your edit or anything. I've made perhaps 1 edit to the Battle of Aleppo article, and since then I've just been monitoring it. However, I would like to note, that generally YouTube videos should not be used as references on Misplaced Pages. It would be preferrable if you could link to the Press TV article itself, even if that one contains the YouTube video. It'd also be preferrable when using Press TV as a reference, to properly identify that the reference is Press TV, since it is a semi-state run Iranian media outlet that has an extreme bias against the West and the Syrian rebels (which is evident in their reporting as well, and not just by minor wording).

Just mentioning this in case it pops up in the future. This way too you will run into less controversies with other editors.

Hope it helps.

Cheers. --Activism1234 23:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Update: better. Other editors may have problem with Press TV though, so be aware about that, but it's not something I will argue about on an article I haven't significantly contributed to. Cheers. --Activism1234 23:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Frontline at the roundabout...

Where is this roundabout... in which part of Aleppo? --Wustenfuchs 22:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mother of all

Didn't had intention to revert your edit... I was reverting the IP as he erased most of the informations. --Wüstenfuchs 08:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem --DanielUmel (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Good faith

Hi Daniel, I noticed that you reverted an edit by Lothar von Richthofen on Syrian Civil War as vandalism. While do I agree with your reversion, could you try to remember to assume good faith, and reserve accusations of vandalism for clear-cut cases vandalism, and not merely political disagreements on controversial topics? —Quintucket (talk) 09:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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