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Hello, even if you are not a sock of a user well-known for his disruption (we shall check this soon), please have a decency to clean up after your controversial moves by fixing multiple double redirects you created. Take care, Ghirla 05:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ghirla, you probably noticed that Kuban kazak initiated the controvertial part of the move (from Chernihiv to Chernigov). I reverted it back. Anyway, I'll take care of the double redirects.

Actually, thanks for your initial welcoming message...

And, you know, don't take Kuban kazak's messages literally. He knows exactly who I am...

134.84.5.xx. Btw you could not have chose a more suitable user name. --Kuban Cossack 10:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kiev metro

Подлый ты человек, , не стыдно бред нести?--Kuban Cossack 20:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I think user:134 would have been kind of cool, but KPb|C is fine as well if our colleague wishes to use it. As for the article conflict, I commented on the 3RR board and I hope there won't be any admin actions. That Kazak self-reverted was a wise step IMO. I will comment in the issue itself at the article's talk.

134, it understandably annoyes the editor when he writes articles and others come just purge stuff from there and leave, even if others are right (I am not saying you are right here either, just pls understand the situation). Yes, Kazak doesn't own the article, but it would be nice if you helped add to the article rather than just censor the work of the main valuable editor who writes on the Metro of your native city. Don't step into the shoes of AndriyK who roamed into the whole bunch of articles others, mainly myself, wrote and made a small disastrous POV edits, be it Khreschatyk, Chernihiv, Beregynia stupid edit war or Verkhovna Rada building. There is no wiki-law against such habbits, it's just annoying and almost unethical, if you ask me. Compare it to my "intrusion" to AndriyK's Vasyl Stus. At least, I added and restyled the article, not only replaced the concentration camp by a penal colony. Please think about it, OK? --Irpen 22:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hope we agree that wikipedia is just an encyclopedia, it's not a board or a tool to express author's personal opinion to the rest of the world. If somebody forgets it a moment, and let his personal opinion sneak in, and then became angry if it's corrected, then at the end whose mistake that is?

Or, let me put it defferentl. It may be "the main valuable editor" who put his POV in, or it may be a "censor" who is trying to put his POV in. Should the first be given some kind of parole to put his POV just because he wrote the rest of the article?

All I am saying, is that KK would have treated your edits differently if you helped add the content to the articles rather than removed the stuff from there. As long as all you do is purging, he, as an editor who creates content, would treat you with disdain. It may be that you are just "correcting" his POV. It may also be that you just replace his POV or a NPOV with your POV. It is difficult to judge in general and is different from case to case. It is easy, though, to see who writes stuff and who deletes it. Just give it a thought. More at the article's talk later. --Irpen 02:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Irpen, I clearly see your points and I understand your logic as if I were in your shoes. In the same time it's also my understanding that even if you wrote 1,000 NPOV articles you are still not permited to write 1 POV article on your lovely topic (but you do get respect for 1,000 articles). And it's my understanding that edits should be judged by context, and not by the name of an editor who made them.

You may say that it's all nice and it's how it should be, but the world is not perfect, and I should live by de-facto rules, accepting their defects, instead of calling for de-jure rules. Well, in the end, each lives in a house that he built. KPbIC 03:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Look, I am not speaking in general about articles. I am speaking about one particular aticle. Written by Kazak. Help him write it rather than remove stuff he wrote. I wrote a message at its talk where I supported you both. But my laptop battery died shortly before I would be pressing the "save" button. So, the spark is lost. I may try to recreate it later. A pity, but could be worse. It was much more pity when I at one time wrote a detailed and referenced response to Halibutt and the wiki killed it by a "server problem". See you later, alligator. --Irpen 03:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Help him... It's easy to say... You are the one who is helping him :) And he will be fine :) There are others which need more help.

Are you sure you want to support both of us? You may take a look on the essence of today's disagreement on Kiev Metro, express your opinion on the subject, not on personalities, and this probably would be the most valuable support.

Overall, the Kiev Metro article is fine, probably a little too much on "Language issues", it probably misses a paragraph on the price, rules, and conditions of a ride, and of course it misses a map with Ukrainian names. :) But I don't recall removing anything valuable that Kuban wrote. He is actually doing a good stuff with station articles. But it's not an excuse for POV :).

"Server errors" should not be a problem I think; I usually use the ordinary IE, click back, save to a file, upload later. But laptop's battery is a problem :( I value the convenience of big screens; I use desktop at home, and elsewhere. I even gave away my only old laptop due to lack of need.

Alligator? Hmm... KPbIC 05:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am sure I agree with both of you. Eh, will have to try to rewrite.

I mostly use laptops everywhere. Hitting back doesn't always help when the server problem hits. BTDT.

And while I will be helping the Cossack, please help keeping Ukrained and AlexPU in check. The latter is one of the rudest Wikipedians ever. The former is appreciated to restricting his trolling activity to talk pages, as his edits are mostly good. But the talk page and edit summary trolling is a thing to avoid and we all know that. And the legendary AndriyK... These Don Quixotes of their invented anti-Russian mafia crusade put a shame on the Ukrainian community. And when they read this and tell me that it's me who is a shame, I would be fascinated one more time. See you later at talk:Kiev Metro but no guarantees that today. --Irpen 05:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)