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Nationalist test

Thanks for your input. Drop the socialist myth thing though, these are supposed to be actually true ;) - FrancisTyers 17:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Macedonians

I don't know what nationality you purport to be, but I'm fairly convinced that there was a Macedonian national consciousness prior to Tito. Furthermore I have the non-Macedonian, neutral third party references to show it. Do you? - FrancisTyers 19:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

PS. That first appeared on the talk page of User:Hassion who edited your comment. - FrancisTyers 19:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, of course that makes your case as watertight as a sieve. - FrancisTyers 19:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

What do I believe with respect to what? - FrancisTyers 19:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I think all national ideology is a myth and nationalists are useful idiots. Be it Macedonian, Montenegrin, Bulgarian, Serbian, Greek, Moldovan, Romanian, English, Irish, whatever. Nationalism in the Balkans is quite young, perhaps 200-300 years at max. Bulgarian nationalist ideology is only as legitimate as Macedonian nationalist ideology. - FrancisTyers 19:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

With regard to User:Macedonia et al. No of course I don't believe that crazy nationalist hokum — a nationalist is intellectually compromised. These guys are a perfect example. - FrancisTyers 20:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

...a nationalist is intellectually compromised... How would you describe Bush for example, beside the fact that he's not intellectual...-but if it were...Hmm..maybe is not the best example, let's say Clinton...is he not nationalist? I doubt it, but he covers himselfs....-Hassion 20:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about nationalist, but I'm fairly convinced that both Clinton and Bush are crooks. - FrancisTyers 20:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

national ideology is a myth

Interesting. I see now clearly much better. --Hassion 19:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

What about European national ideology? Does it exists so far? No. It exists only as german, french, brittish, spanish...national ideology. --Hassion 19:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a European national ideology exists yet. I'm not discounting it for the future though... - FrancisTyers 20:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sign your edits please

Can you add four {Hassion 19:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)} to sign your edits? Would be very appreciated, --Hassion 19:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR

You are in danger of reporting about violating 3RR rule on Macedonian orthodox church. Please discuss why you are deleting important info on the talk page. MatriX 10:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that we resolved this issue. MatriX 13:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Me too. Also, I've checked what you asked. Finally, check e-mail... NikoSilver  15:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Retried. Also, why don't you put smthng in your user-page, so your sig doesn't appear red? NikoSilver  15:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I transferred the talk to mine. You can continue there if you want. I'll be absent too, but at least it's with my consent! :-)  NikoSilver  16:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Cosmopolitan eh

While I remain so far unconvinced, you may like to link to this. Also I added Romanian, enjoy! :) - FrancisTyers 19:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm learning Romanian at the moment, I wanted to learn Serbo-Croatian, but I couldn't find anyone to teach me, and a guy on my course offered to teach me Romanian for free, so I accepted. I'm pretty bad at the moment, I probably couldn't have a conversation in Romanian, so I don't think I count as ro-1 yet, probably more like ro-0.33 :) - FrancisTyers 19:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I am also learning Norwegian, so not sure 100% about my part, but will double check it soon, Telex :)). Greetings,Ilir pz 19:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Haha, more like 6! you forgot Zlatiborian and Bunjevac. They don't call it BCSMxyZ for nothing! :) - FrancisTyers 19:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

If you speak Albanian I'd love the input on this page :P - FrancisTyers 19:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I am Albanian :) you have a confirmed one in your page, Francis :))Ilir pz 19:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Some examples of literal translations from other languages:

• Send the borders to hell
• Shit on the border
• Screw the borders
• Send the borders to the devil
• Destroy the borders
• Fuck national borders
• Down with borders
• Death to the borders

Hope that helps :) If not, then basically the phrase is a slogan opposing national borders. - FrancisTyers 19:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I just saw what Ilir pz wrote, thanks! :) Does it make sense now? - FrancisTyers 19:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, have you never heard a similar expression? Is it possible to express this in Albanian? - FrancisTyers 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You made me really sad with your userpage. Usually, there are languages to which I can contribute! Congratulations! Now leave me alone in my sadness! (I'll ask my Filipino house-helper tomorrow and stun you, though!)  NikoSilver  21:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

8a mou perasei...(meta thn filipina)  NikoSilver  21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Des tis syneisfores mou amesws prin...  NikoSilver  21:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Siga mhn to afhna!  NikoSilver  21:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

See my comment to Francis' sub-page for nationalism about Americans and Greek-MacSlav nationalism. I'd be glad to have some feedback on this!  NikoSilver  22:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Filipino: Sorry man, no word for 'cosmopolitan' nor 'nationalist'. It'll have to be spelled out as a definition of each word...It'd fill the page up.  NikoSilver  20:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Tung

Përshendetje Telex. Flm për përkrahjen në artikujt e mëhershëm. Nga je?Ilir pz 20:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

S'ka gjë. Më vjen keq, unë nuk mund të them nga jam ;-( Telex 20:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

ou? pse kështu? Ke frike se te demton dikush a?Ilir pz 20:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think...

Your comment was very intelligent and I agree with you on some points. However, I would like to ask you why there are no more Macedonians living in the Greek part of Macedonia. Also, let me ask you why Greece doesn't want Macedonia to be named "Macedonia", even though the whole point of that word is to indicate the land where Macedonians live. Since you proved to me that there are almost no Macedonians in Greek Macedonia, why call it Macedonia? Why not change the name of a province, instead of a country? Why is Greece more important then Macedonia, and who decides that?? --serbiana - talk 22:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I still don't agree with some of your points about Macedonia, but let's just agree to disagree. As far as your userpage is concerned, I'd like to help. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a country that consists of two entities: Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Republika Srpska, so don't put the Federation flag, because thats only one part of Bosnia. If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask me. :-) --serbiana - talk 23:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You asked for my help, and I never heard from you again. What's wrong? --serbiana - talk 00:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide memoral

Sure, no problem. Like I said, you're welcome to revert. :) Cheers, —Khoikhoi 09:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Dex

http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=distincta&source= --Steaua 13:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=distinctiv&source= --bogdan 17:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

All right, this isn't helping! Telex 17:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Both versions are ok, so no need to start a fight. :-) bogdan 20:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR

I am afraid that your acitons, ilirpz, are agains 3rr. I hope you will refrain. My reasons are properly discussed on talk page. If you have something to add, please join me there, under any of your identities. --Manojlo 15:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I know that this may seem hard for you to believe, Manojlo, but I am not User:Ilir pz / ја нисам корисник Ilir pz. Telex 16:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Telex, sorry for the hassle this guy is giving you. I am sure you understand. Ilir pz 20:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't mention it :)

However, you've missed 2 flags and one of the languages - I'll fix & sign.

I think that adding both Cyrillic and Latin fr some is inevitable. The Montenegrin language officially uses the Cyrillic and then Latin; but in actual usage, the Latin scrypt is much more preferred - and if you place it there, you have to place both versions elsewhere. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't mention it. :) I am also alphabetizing 'em. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...

So, you are not a nationalist, but you made sure Serbo-Croatian is divided in 25 different languages, according to nations? Rather interesting :) --dcabrilo 17:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That was User:HolyRomanEmperor's doing I know nothing about Serbo-Croatian and it's ausbausprachen. Telex 18:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Uhh, I only added that beacuse those langauges are official. :(

Actually, it's correct - the Latin would be the main, but the Cyrillic would be there side-by-side. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Montenegro - independent?

The country has been unconstitutionally annexed by the Kingdom of Serbia in 1918 - which was approved by its transitional government. I consider that the Montenegrins and Serbs are one people - and that the life in one Kingdom of Serbia was a good solution. But too many errors were made, expecially which can be seen in the 1920s - too many errors so that Montenegro deserves to be independent once more, so that it gainst the old prestige that it simply ceised to have when it joined Serbia. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

For instance - the transitional government, the "Great Serbian Assembly of Podgorica" was unconstitutional. Second of all, the annexation entirely deposed Montenegro's dynasty - the House of Njegoš - look what happenned to Nikola I Petrović Njegoš - the longest Serbian ruler in the history. Next, over a million Serbians are of Montenegrin origin. All of Montenegro's effforst in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries were strictly to help Serbia and all Serbs across the world - and how did Serbia pay back to Montenegro? By making it an insignificant part of it, eating its prestige and dethroning the House of Petrović - which had more claims to the unified throne than either the House of Karađorđević or House of Obrenović. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The biggest error was Belgrade's 1920 abolishion of the Patriarchate of Peć - the very thing that the Montenegrins have been fighting for centuries and instead creating the Pan-Serbian Patriarchate in Belgrade. This infuriated the Montenegrins very much, as they had the right for the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey

I happened to have read your posting on HRE's discussion page. The Bosnian language can be disputed. However, most Serbs living in Bosnia (some due to free will and others due to nationalistic sentiment) claim that they speak Serbian. It is evident that Serbian uses Cyrillic officially. In Bosnian most Bosniaks and Croatians do not like/are against the use of Cyrillic. Look at it this way, Bosnia and Herzegovina officially recognizes three languages: Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian. Serbian is the language that uses Cyrllic and that is how people sometimes tend to mix up Bosnian as using cyrllic. Even at the Bosnian Language Misplaced Pages only the Latin script is used. Cyrllic is not preffered by most Bosnian speakers. I, for instance, along with many Bosnians who had to leave Bosnia due to the war, do not know Cyrllic. Cyrllic does not represent all Bosnian speakers, while Cyrllic represents all Serbian speakers. Cyrllic in Bosnian is used at a minimal, minimal, minimal level, as latin is used at a large, large, larger level. You cannot even compare it close to the countries of Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Russia, Ukraine, etc. It is used a really really low level, and when it is used it is refered to as Serbian.

Thanks, Kseferovic 20:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Another thing, look at the article of Bosnian Cyrillic as evidence that cyrllic in the Bosnian language is pretty much extinct.

Fix

I moved the Cyrillic because it's primary for the Serbian language. I replaced the Serbo-Croat flag by the standard Pan-Slavic flag, since the current flag resembles in reality the state of SFRJ, and not the language. I also changed the flag of Montenegro to Montenegrins' popular (national) flag. --HolyRomanEmperor 09:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Invented nationalities???

I don't want to get into discussions about others, but leave the Macedonans alone already. Claims that Macedonians were invented by Tito are ridiculous to any reasonable person. By claiming that you wont change a single Macedonian mind about his ethnicity, you will only help spread balkan nationalistic poison even further. You claim to be a cosmopolitan, not nationalist - but the judgement about what you really are will come not by what you have written about yoursefl, but by what people think about your oppinions. --Realek 21:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

If you want to belive it, be my guest. But it's not true that you are not writing it in the articles. You are heavily POV pushing. Please stop it. You can't impose a nationality to me. Your attempts make you look really bad! --Realek 22:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Haven't you heard of Rule #1 of the Macedonian editors - discourage all newcomers from engaging into debates related to Macedonia and its history. Because only they know whats going on. FunkyFly 22:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, greeks especially know other peoples national feelings best. I should let you FunkyFly choose my nationality right? --Realek 22:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

How about the Macedonians article? --Realek 22:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You didnt write it, but you did revert to this irational position. --Realek 22:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You are not "mentioning" it, but you are heavily distorting the article and falsifying historic facts. Thank you for your "simpathy" for my view about my nationality, but you, that governor and other similar types don't get to decide about my national feelings. BTW is your claim that you are a cosmopolitan and not a nationalist supposed to be ironic? It surely looks that way. --Realek 22:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

No matter how many accounts you create, you can't hide the truth. --Realek 23:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Realek, you cant possibly refer to User:Dipazi or do you? FunkyFly 23:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Abdullah

Hi Telex,

What are we going to do about this guy? He's obviously POV-pusing. —Khoikhoi 00:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Another user reverted again on Abdullah Öcalan, FYI. Thanks for all the hard work you do here. —Khoikhoi 20:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, according to the discussion at Talk:Greeks you sure are! ;) —Khoikhoi 20:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, also take a look at this edit. —Khoikhoi 20:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Pontic language

I'm not sure about this situation as Pontic is apparently not mutually intelligible with Greek. I understand it may be considered a dialect by Greeks, but if they can't understand each other, that to me seems to be a different language. Tombseye 20:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry about my editing. I'm new to this site so, can you help me?205.202.85.5 13:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hi Telex,

Could you please help me out over on the Adana and Ardahan pages? Much appreciated, —Khoikhoi 14:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Flm telex. S'di shume per artikullin Adana. Cfare ndihme ke nevoje? Ilir pz 21:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

:)) ky qe po te pengojka, qenka ndalu. Po ma thuaj cfarë ane mbron ti? Ky kundërshtari shtuaka dicka per sulmet armene, mirepo perdorka gjuhe paksa agresive. Ky eshte problemi apo?!Ilir pz 21:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Semiprotection

Hi Telex. Did you semi-protect Vlachs? I'm asking because if you did, I have to inform you that I believe only administrators can semi-protect articles. --Aldux 16:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Telex, I should have controlled better :-( Please accept my apologies.--Aldux 19:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

3RR stuff

Sweet. :D —Khoikhoi 01:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - we should really try to stop talking to Inanna & Bonaparte. Have you seen this? —Khoikhoi 01:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia Poll

Ευχαριστώ :-) TheArchon 09:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Δε νομίζεις ότι κάτι λείπει απ' όλα τα άρθρα; Αν δεχθούμε, κατ αρχάς, ότι το άρθρο πρέπει να δείχνει (α) πώς αναφέρεται η χώρα από τους διεθνείς οργανισμούς (fYRoM & RoM) και (β) πώς αναφέρεται από τους κατοίκους (RoM), τότε δεν πρέπει να υπάρχει και η Αλβανική ονομασία; Στο κάτω-κάτω αναγνωρισμένη γλώσσα είναι... (btw, I am assuming that you know Greek, but if you are not comfortable with it, we can switch to English -either way, your posting a message in Greek was much appreciated) TheArchon 09:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

O dhmiourgos tou grafei panw-panw 30 Apriliou, alla mporei na epekta8ei an den yparxei ka8aro apotelesma. Kalo mhna!  NikoSilver  13:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Montenegrin independence...

...last polls say 57% of the population will vote for independence. --HolyRomanEmperor 10:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Den trabas kana sxolio edw giati nomizw oti o typos mas douleuei ekei?  NikoSilver  13:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting... btw Telex are you an Arvanite? I hope you aren't offended by my question, but you seem to speak Greek and Albanian -- which points toward it. Although equally you could just be an Albanian in Greece. Don't feel obliged to respond if you would prefer to keep your ethnicity private. Regards :) - FrancisTyers 14:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. I'd tend to discount the fourth one though. - FrancisTyers 14:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sadly I don't speak Albanian. I intend to do a stub for the Romanian wiki though. - FrancisTyers 15:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Btw, you might be interested in the article I started on Human rights in the Republic of Macedonia :) - FrancisTyers 15:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Metb82 comment

I'm not sure what your intention was here, but I don't think this comment was neccisary or polite. --InShaneee 16:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

You're probably right. It was more of a childish retaliation to having been reverted with rollback . I hate it when people do that. Telex 16:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, just try to steer clear of that type of thing in the future. :) --InShaneee 16:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but it was far more polite than some of the things Metb82 gets away with. He shouldn't have said it...but I can't blame him. Englishrose 20:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Your page in Bulgarian

It should be "Здравейте, имам само една отличителна черта: космополит съм, а не националист." — word order is somewhat different in Bulgarian in that case. Besides, I believe "гражданин на света" is the way most people would say "cosmopolitan", although the word "космополит" exists with the same meaning — it's just a bit less popular. Greetings from Bulgaria :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

They are, but this is one of them :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 19:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic minorities in Greece

Good edits, although the ECRI thing is a quote and not something that Amnesty International is saying. I guess you'd have to check out the pages I'm really happy with to see if I write neutrally or not, viz. Mythical origins of language, Leprechaun, History of machine translation, Sudanese literature. I do tend to knock up a lot of stubs in a hurry when I see they are missing. And being told to edit in an NPOV manner by someone who cites this is pretty funny :P - FrancisTyers 21:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

You're a nice guy Telex. I'm glad that editors like you exist. Miskin 22:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I was being serious. Just a general remark on your neutral editing behaviour. Miskin 22:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not being sarcastic, nor I am referring to a specific edit. I'm being sincere. Miskin 22:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The link you put in the talk page (e-grammes.gr) is from a nationalist organisation (Elliniko Metopo). Although I marginally agree with this article, I do not consider their general views mainstream in any way. Too far-right for my taste. --   Avg    23:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Falemnderit / Thank you

Të falemnderoj nga zemra per medaljen. Do ta vë në faqen time të parë, ne shenje rrespekti. Shpresoj te kontribuojme se bashku ne te ardhmen. (transl. I thank you from my heart for the awarded medal. I will therefore put it in my front page, in sign of respect for you. Hope to contribute together further in the near future) Ilir pz 22:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Ilir pz 00:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sapo e zmadhova sa tjerat, dikush po e zvogelon shenjen e boshnjakeve ne faqen tende kryesore. Nese nuk zmadhohet ajo steme nuk po shihet. Ilir pz 00:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok e zmadhova, po pasi eshte faqe jotja personale nuk e bera para se me te pyete. Perndryshe nese dikush ta demton ate ke drejte me kerku llogari. Ilir pz 01:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

articles on Albanians

You are welcome to contribute.

• Albanians in Kosovo
• Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia
• Albanians in the Republic of Montenegro
• Albanians in the Republic of Serbia

Best, Ilir pz 01:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC

A friendly reminder, don't feed the troll:

Nobody has asked your opinion.Mind your own business...

You must have "Turkish Blood" to have Turkish specialties.So it's impossible... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.254.195 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't you know what you are?

Cause i said what Shakespeare told about jews and i've deleted anyone's comment by mistake.But the real reason is that i know so much things...

I've started the show realities about armenian genocide and intrigues of jews(not to articles).If you criticize those issues, well you will be banned for sure...

Welsh Misplaced Pages

I don't, but I went to University in Wales (University of Wales Aberystwyth) and I have friends that do. :) - FrancisTyers 17:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, so it was :) I'll put it on the talk page and see what people think. - FrancisTyers 17:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I heard that too! - FrancisTyers 17:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Cosmopolitan

A cosmopolitan normally wouldn't push an Albano-Greek agenda :) It seems like people are accusing you of that. HRE has some different ideas about Serbian history which happen to coincide with certain nationalist views, which is probably why he gets called a nationalist. On Misplaced Pages you tend to find people who self-identify as "cosmopolitan" have something to hide ;) Sometimes it is harmless, sometimes not. - FrancisTyers 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the offense, but you did ask ;) It's easy to be NPOV on matters that don't concern you, e.g. home rule in Greenland, harder on issues closer to home. Sure, we all strive for NPOV, but some strive harder than others. Like many "cosmopolitans", your biases have given you away :)) And sure I have an agenda, an anti-nationalist agenda, I'm happy to state it up front though — I have no need for smoke and mirrors. - FrancisTyers 18:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Where are you getting your Welsh translation from btw? I am (for the purposes of transparency) getting my friends to translate. How about you, I presume you aren't a native speaker (although feel free to correct me), do you have friends that speak Welsh or are you using a dictionary/grammar reference or online translation? Btw, I find that version much better, why was it reverted? And no you aren't neutral, you think that you are neutral ;) Subtle difference :) - FrancisTyers 18:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll ask around for a translation for that. In the meantime, that version isn't very good as it contains factual flaws. Macedonia is not "internationally recognised" as fYROM, it just so happens that some countries and international organisations use that name to refer to the country. - FrancisTyers 18:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for warning me! Bomac 17:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

What makes you think I am denying that? I don't deny facts. You can't judge the denial by the languages that are spoken in R. Macedonia. Bomac 17:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

More help...

Hey again. Could you help me out on the Batman, Turkey and Batman Province pages? I have to go now. —Khoikhoi 19:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)