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| :<cite id=Re:_Further_bans_and_a_block_reply_1> </cite>Thanks user:Tony Sidaway for attempting to deal with the content dispute, but I'm afraid my right to defend my position was not protected. For this reason, I would like to apply for lifting the block and the bans, in order to put up my arguments at WP:AE. I promise I won't conduct any edit that involves any sort of revert to any of the articles user:Tony Sidaway has listed immediately above, before my arguments are heard, and the bans and the block are reconsidered. Thank you. — ] 18:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Section titlez
Your lack of humor regarding Time in China disappoints me. You are a sad, sad, little man. Revert again and you will be blocked you blatant vandal. If you decide to respond, remember WP:AGF. Biatch, 165.247.83.156 20:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yes and continue with using language like that, 165.247.83.156, you'll get blocked in no time as well. enochlau (talk) 22:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Reply
> As a good sign, you should restore the deleted comments and your user talk page, and respond to them.
I might, some time. It could take a long time to find all those deleted comments in the edit history. Also, I don't agree that all those messages are important and require any responses. For some of the comments, as long as I get the message, I think that is already enough.
> You should also revert the undiscussed and unexplained edits you have made to the many articles across Misplaced Pages, and explain at the corresponding talk pages.
I hope you understand that not all edits in Misplaced Pages are discussed before they are made. I am sure you also did not discuss every single edits that you have made (1) , and lots of other users did not discuss either. I don't think I have to come and ask for your permission every time before I edit an article. This is not how things work here in Misplaced Pages. I also find it pretty unfair for you to require me to ask for your permission every time before I edit, while other users don't have to. If you disagree with my edit, you should point out what is wrong in the discussion page, rather than reverting it immediately. I find it pretty impolite for you to check every edits that I make * , and revert all of them. That was how revert war arose.
- If you didn't check every single edit that I made, you wouldn't have been able to reverted my edits so quickly every time during the edit war, and you wouldn't know that I have made the {{UN-multilingual}} template. As a response to that, I have also been checking your contribution page. But I think both of us don't like the feeling of being "monitered". If you stop monitering my edits, I will stop monitering yours also.
> Settlements on Misplaced Pages should not be brought private.
Okay, we will see.
> In my opinion, jau gwei warrants its own article.
Okay, discuss about it in the discussion page. But tell me whether you want to work on an article about the street food in Hong Kong.
> Finally, I find it offensive to see your reminder at my talk page requesting me not to be offensive, for I've never ever done anything that was offensive to you.
You think that you have never ever done anything that was offensive to me. But you should not be the one to judge whether some sentences or some actions that you made were offensive. All people that did something offensive wouldn't admit that they are offensive. I also find it very offensive for you to say that you have not done anything offensive, and that all the responsibility are on me. If you have the willingness to resolve our disputes, I think we should stop accusing each other.
-Alan 01:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: Sadly
Nah, save your energy for improving articles. -- ran (talk) 01:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Hong Kong action cinema
hi, you may be interested that Hong Kong action cinema, an article you edited, is up as a featured article candidate. please go to Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Hong_Kong_action_cinema to vote "support" or "object" with your comments, if you like. thx! Zzzzz 21:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
- fyi, the article is now featured! rgs, Zzzzz 10:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
name change, other entities"
Hi there. I just noticed that you made a NOTE to the section I started about name changes and "other" entities on the TALK page of "countries by area". This was over a month ago, sorry, but I really just noticed it there. Anyway, it was not my intention to misrepresent you. The only reason I edited that section thusly was becausea user, Giandrea, had brought the EU issue to a mediation forum, and I told her (?) that I had already addressed her points in the talk page of "by area" and wasn't sure why she had brought the argument somewhere else when I had just addressed her points in the original TALK pages. So, I changed the name and the beginning of the section the hopes it would be easier for her (and any possible mediators) to find. I don't remember, but I guess I didn't delete your entry because I didn't feel right about touching someone else's words. I'll be more careful in the future. Take care. Malnova 22:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
strange "article"
someone has created this "article", what can we do?--K.C. Tang 07:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Total Olympics medal count
I like the edits you made to this page to handle Hong Kong. Thanks for editing the introduction to better explain the situation, without re-opening the large debate we had on how to handle national changes over the past 110 years... Andrwsc 23:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- reply on my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrwsc (talk • contribs) 17:31, April 8, 2006 (UTC)
dubious mainland china
your template says "disputed, see talk page". You haven't said SQUAT on the talk page since adding it, and you've reverted like a hundred times. I've now archived the existing tl;dr talk page. GO TALK INSTEAD OF REVERTING. SchmuckyTheCat 05:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006
All Hong Kong Wikipedians are cordially invited to come and help the preparation of Chinese Wikimedia Conference 2006 * Hong Kong Taskforce(In Chinese)! Will you join?
- *Official name has not yet confirmed -- Alfred.Yeung 05:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Recordings
Hello, Instantnood. I enjoy making audio recordings for Misplaced Pages a lot. As a native speaker of Chinese, I think it is my task to make some audio recordings for Chinese terms and to let more non-Chinese speakers know more about the language and the culture of ours. Actually, a Wikipedian from Sweden called Peter has been contributing a lot in making Chinese recordings. I appreciate his effort. However, he is not a native Chinese speaker. I hope there would be more native speakers joining us, because native speakers always make the most accurate pronunciation. So, you are from Hong Kong, aren't you? I bet you probably know Chinese. Would you like to help making some Chinese recordings together?
Also, about the United Nations issue...I think I am addicted to making audio recordings already. Originally, I would like to make some recording for the pronunciations of the Chinese names in the articles about the United Nations, as I saw that the Chinese names were there. It seems that some fools are going to delete the Chinese names from the article. That's sad. It seems that most of the people who suggest deleting the foreign names are American. Sigh...
Audioman 01:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Suzie Wong
I'm curious as to why you readded that paragraph on the basis that "everything with spoiler warning notice is like that" . Gsd2000 22:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
2006香港維基人第二次春聚 HK Wikipedians 2nd meetup 2006
報名已經展開！請從速參加！！Please join us now!
- 日期Date：4月15日
- 時間Time：7.00pm - 11.00pm
- 地點Venue：水瓶座咖啡店Cafe de Verseau
- 最低消費Minimum Expense：每位約$20 (飲品一杯)
- 聯絡人Contact Person：Angus Lai
由於篇幅關係，詳情請參看這裏！For more details, please look over here.
－－Stewart~惡龍 (Chat&講！) 00:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Biography stubs sorting
Hi Instantnood - you wrote: Do you think it would be a good idea to sort biography stubs according to the "Family Name, Given Name" format?... That's probably a very good idea - I'll add it to the suggestions at WP:WSS/P#Other stub-related discussions for debate. Grutness...wha? 01:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Category:Self-declared Emperors and Kings
I changed my vote to delete since my original category wasn't very clear and there didn't appear to be any support. I would like to support the creation of your category but I'm afraid we don't have a good definition of what a self-declared emperor or king is or isn't. Although I could be wrong, a quick look through Category:Emperors reveals that some leaders declared themselves Emperors, leading to a line of succession, with "legitimate" Emperors continuing that line (this could be controversial) while others usurped the title altogether. If you can help me clear up the categorical distinctions I would appreciate it, as I'm hopelessly confused. :-) Some wikipedians might argue that all Emperors and Kings are "self-declared", so we need to draw some kind of line, here. —Viriditas | Talk 01:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
TFd stuff
I've noticed the relatively large number of "userfy" votes you make at TFD for the former country infoboxes, and wouldlike to understand your reason for them. After all, these (including the oddball one for Template:Infobox University2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)) are little more than "Keep, but don't use" votes. It'd be nice ifyou culd make it clear whether you want them moved to your or somebody else's userpace too.It makeslittlesense to ask for a template to be moved in someone else's userspace, IMHO. If you want them moved to your own userspace, I can copy those I deleted there. Circeus 01:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Administrative divisions
...is a problematic term for a cat name that deals with territories in one country:
- the term "division (subnational entity)" itself is used for country subdivisions in India, Myanmar and Bangladesh. The divisions of Pakistan were dissolved. The rename would result in Administrative divisions being subcategory to Administrative divisions
- Administrative division can also apply to non-territorial divisioning (of government areas, i.e. Defense, Interior)
- Administrative division would exclude other kinds of country subdivisions
best regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW, I know that "subdivision" is somehow problematic, espicially this seems to be true for people with US housing subdivision background, or knowledge of Canadian Census subdivision. But the US term only developped that way. It's an abbreviated use. See talk:Country subdivision of examples how the term is used in different places in WP that have nothing at all to do with housing subdivision. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- It looks we have the same opinion as on what the cats could include. Maybe you like to join the oppose camp (do not split Subdivisions of XY into Administrative divisions of XY and Political division of XY, do not rename, because all other names are same problematic or even more.) Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_15#new_debate My main reasons to postpone any mass moves are somewher down at . regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
RfD
On 7-Jan, you tagged the redirect Ng Hoi Yee for deletion, but you did not list it at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion. I have added it to that page for discussion. You may wish to add a comment there if you still wish to see this redirect deleted. In the future, if you nominate a redirect for deletion, please list it. Thanks and let me know if you have any questions. -- JLaTondre 02:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
HK Wikipedians 2nd meetup 2006 Summary
How's your day recently?! And how's about Hong Kong Wikipedian's Board? Our last meetup you can read thru here -- zh:Misplaced Pages:聚會/2006香港第二次春聚, do u have any interest held one like that for Englsih Wikipedians in Hong Kong? Anyway, hope we can join together next time!! －－Stewart~惡龍 (Chat&講！) 21:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well...We can firstly have an internet meetup on SkyPE or irc, I think Hong Kong Wikipedians can use simple English to communicate with each other, my Skype account is 「stewartcc」! If there're any big news on Hong Kong Wikipedian's Board, plz do inform me! See ya! －－Stewart~惡龍 (Chat&講！) 05:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Article editing bans
Because of your recent disruptive editing, I'm implementing the following article bans under remedy 3 "Instantnood placed on Probation" and enforcement measure 1 ("Procedure for banning in Probation") of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3.
- List of bridges two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Macao, China two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Hong Kong national football team two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- District Council of Hong Kong two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Guangzhou two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Community of Portuguese Language Countries two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- East Asian Tigers two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- I'm lovin' it two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
Please don't take this as a definitive list. The message is that you're still far too aggressive in your edits and you need to revert less, discuss more and respect other people's opinions. --Tony Sidaway 14:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I've responded on my own talk page. --Tony Sidaway 15:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Just a note that I blocked Alanmak and I appreciate your attempt to add {{unsigned}} on SchmuckyTheCat's talk page. Ashibaka tock 01:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Furthermore, a block
SchmuckyTheCat pointed out that Tony Sidaway gave you page blocks and you didn't pay attention, so first, I'll expand his page ban to all of the pages you revert warred over in the past two days:
- Las Vegas Sands two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Share taxi two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- I wouldn't have to block you on this if you'd simply put your comments on the talk page and waited for a reply, rather than reverting it and giving him the heads up in an edit summary.
- Estádio Campo Desportivo two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
- Douhua two weeks, ban ends 14:00 UTC 6 May, 2006
This is not a license to revert war on even more articles. If I were you I'd apply WP:1RR until people regained faith in your contributions.
In addition, I am blocking you for 48 hours for violating Tony Sidaway's ban on Hong Kong national football team and Community of Portuguese Language Countries. "Article ban" means you can't edit that page anymore, even if some other editor is pushing his evil POV. Ashibaka tock 03:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that the block isn't helping anything, but it's part of the terms of article banning. Anyway, Alanmak contacted you less than a month ago to make some minor concessions and ask for further discussion. As apparently nothing came of this, I'll contact Enochlau for some more formal mediation. Ashibaka tock 22:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
IEC
The place where I took the picture is actually somewhere in between Quarry Bay and North Point. See if you can understand my description about the location.
Imagine you travel on a bus or whatever that goes across the EHT southwardly. It then speeds up onto the IEC westbound and is heading for the first exit, with an exit roadsign "north point", on the left of the road.
The picture is taken from the place where the bus is about 100m before the separation point of the highway and its exit.
I'd say North Point is a better description than Quarry Bay, because the picture is taken somewhere westmore compared to the EHT island side exit. --Deryck C. 14:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
U Magazine and SCMP interview
Hello Instantnood, I'm a Hong Kong wikipedian mostly active on zh. Anyway, a reporter from U Magazine has contacted me to find her some active Hong Kong wikipedians for an interview this week. Are you interested? The date and time has yet to be determined but I wonder when you'll free this week. (Is Saturday afternoon okay for you?) --Lorenzarius 15:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Another writer from the South China Morning Post want to do an interview on this Saturday too, he said the location is up to us. Cheers! --Lorenzarius 15:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Hong Kong
You narrowly escape a 3RR/arbcomm block for your editing/reverting on HK. Please be more careful in future William M. Connolley 20:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Ethnic Chinese/Chinese race
I see that you recently changed the redirect pages "Ethnic Chinese" and "Chinese race" to point to the disambiguation page "Chinese people" rather than their former target Han Chinese. Before I noticed the pattern, I put a note of explanation on the talk page of "Ethnic Chinese" and pointed it back to "Han Chinese" again. My reasoning is the both the disambiguation page and the "Han Chinese" page say that "Han Chinese" and "Ethnic Chinese" refer to the same concept. A similar idea was also expressed on the talk page of "Chinese race" when a prior editor pointed that to "Han Chinese", which you later changed to "Chinese people".
Is there a good reason why these two links should be directed to a disambiguation page rather than directly to what seems to be the consensus article on the Chinese ethnicity? I'll hold off for a day or two on changing the redirection of "Chinese race". Dpv 16:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
(no section title)
I think you missed this: SchmuckyTheCat 21:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Informal mediation
I have been approached by Ashibaka to assist in the resolution of your current dispute with Alanmak. Just having a browse of your contributions, I see that they are concerned with the distinction between China, People's Republic of China and Mainland China? If you wish to take up my offer of informal mediation, please let me know. enochlau (talk) 03:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I'll still awaiting Alan's reply. enochlau (talk) 12:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Re:Overdone revert
Misplaced Pages uses a consensus system. What you perceived to be true isn't necessarily be true. I cannot see the basis of your edit in Hong Kong because it is unsupported by other users. Hunter 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
1. the Chinese full name is fine by me in either way.
2. No noticeable difference before and after is inserted, and I don't see it to be added elsewhere in Misplaced Pages in places like this.
3. I see link to Special administrative region a better way for people to understand what that means, and how it is used in other context. If they are interested in SAR(PRC), they can always find a link there, just one more click away.
4. "A & R" in SAR is capitalised because it's usually used this way, see
5. Where "the" you are talkin gabout?
6. For anthem, it means what HK is currently using, not whether or not it is its own anthem.
7. People will understand what PRC means
8. Don't quite understand what you are talking about.
9. No, the natively used English name is Mandarin, I think you can quite see from the redirect of Putonghua to Standard Mandarin, so it should be Mandarin (Putonghua).
10. More specific in your question?
11. It may just be one of the thins lost in revert, since I have no time to sort out everything you have changed. What I see is most things in the new versions is not so correct and I made the revert decision.
12. same as 11.
13. same as 11.
14. same as 11.
15. More specific in your question?
16. Why should those newspaper names to be italicised
17. Although English name is one of the official language, do you think many people really speaks English in their daily life judging by your own experience?
18. The order isn't so important
Again, I have to say that there may be overdone revert, but that may because you mixed those things up with too many incorrect stuffs.
Hunter 04:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
City of Victoria
Hmm you are right the City of Victoria is still in the legislation. However as you note it is not a term in popular usage anymore (I reworded my edit). I don't like the alternative of putting in "Central and Western District" because that would be like putting in "Westminster" as the capital of London (obviously incorrect). However although City of Victoria is still in legislation and is technically accurate (according to the said law) this is really a matter of laws not being updated? (That said it is curious that the Cap 1 Sched 1 you mention has a date of 1 July 1997!) http://www.legislation.gov.hk/blis_ind.nsf/E1BF50C09A33D3DC482564840019D2F4/B433C7F894FA9F9E48256648002F6F13?OpenDocument=
Hmm I am undecided - changing it back to Victoria City will invite a edit war towards a change to 'Central and Western District'! I guess ultimately this is a problem with the usage of the 'country' template for Hong Kong, as Hong Kong is not a country. --Mintchocicecream 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I guess an issue is whether you can also find a legislation that defines the City of Victoria as the capital of Hong Kong. Victoria City is clearly defined (even if it uses outdated placenames like Government Pier and Royal Navy Ofice) but Cap 1 Sched 1 does not say that Victoria City is the capital... --Mintchocicecream 15:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- The use of the dash in your previous edits seems very reasonable. The point on London is taken; though my point was to illustrate that cities could do without capitals w/o going to details. --Mintchocicecream 16:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Edit warring on Time in China
Please do not add nonsense to Misplaced Pages. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. 4.249.9.152 00:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Chinese naming conventions
I just made a new proposal on NPOV treatment of the different Chinese languages/dialects on the Chinese naming conventions. Please take a look and comment if you will. Thanks.--Yuje 19:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Further disruptive editing--more bans and a block
You're continuing to edit war, as documented by SchmuckyTheCat (talk · contribs) .
Under remedy 3 "Instantnood placed on Probation" and enforcement measure 1 ("Procedure for banning in Probation") of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3. I'm extending all existing temporary bans for the duration of your probation--that is, to end 20 March, 2007. I'm also adding bans to the articles listed by SchmuckyTheCat.
You are now banned from editing any of the following articles:
- List of bridges
- Macao, China
- Hong Kong national football team
- District Council of Hong Kong
- Guangzhou
- Community of Portuguese Language Countries
- East Asian Tigers
- I'm lovin' it
- Singapore
- Hong Kong
- Pacific Rim Capitals
- Special administrative region (People's Republic of China)
- List of tunnels
Under the blocking policy, I'm blocking you for 48 hours for disruption. I hope that you will take this as an opportunity to reconsider your editing on Misplaced Pages.
Please remember that you are also on General Probation. If you continue to behave disruptively, you could be banned from the site by any three administrators under Remedy 4 of the arbitration case. --Tony Sidaway 12:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks user:Tony Sidaway for attempting to deal with the content dispute, but I'm afraid my right to defend my position was not protected. For this reason, I would like to apply for lifting the block and the bans, in order to put up my arguments at WP:AE. I promise I won't conduct any edit that involves any sort of revert to any of the articles user:Tony Sidaway has listed immediately above, before my arguments are heard, and the bans and the block are reconsidered. Thank you. — Instantnood 18:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Establishment of The Wikimedia Hong Kong
Instantnood/Archive 6 ：
The planning of the establishment of Misplaced Pages Hong Kong as a society has entered the final stage.
From 27th April 2006, every Hong Kong Wikimedians is welcomed to participate in the discussion on the vote on the official name of the chapter. Then a one-week nomination period and a three-week voting period will be held. At the same time, you are also welcomed to join in the discussion on the draft constitution of the chapter.
After an official name is decided, the recruitment of member will be started and the first general meeting will be held (Please refer to the schedule). If you're interested to join, please sign your name on this page so that an estimation on the number of member could be done.
WIKIMEDIA HONG KONG NEED YOUR CONTRIBUTION AND SUPPORT NOW.
I am the Wikipedian who invites you:encyclopedist 16:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)