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Bias in Mental Testing

Hi, I got around to reading this article only now. Excellent work. I hope you'll get into editing other articles around these topics as well, because many of them are a mess.--Victor Chmara (talk) 02:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's good to know at least one person involved in these articles knows how to be welcoming. But I must say, the welcome I've received at Talk:Race_and_intelligence has been pretty rude. A lot of the regulars on these articles seem to make judgments about what does or doesn't misrepresent a source before they've read all of it, or to just attack other editors for who they are without trying to answer the arguments being made. It's hard to say how long I'll be motivated to keep editing in the topic if it's usually like this. Zeromus1 (talk) 03:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you do have to go through a lot of hassle when editing race & intelligence articles, no matter how well sourced and relevant your edits are. This is particularly true of the main R&I article which has long been essentially gridlocked. It's easier to make progress in related articles that are smaller in scope. I've recently stayed out of the main article and mainly worked on general psychometrics and behavioral genetics articles that are only tangentially related to R&I, and it's refreshing when you don't have to fight over every change.--Victor Chmara (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

SudoGhost 13:11, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

There is a discussion concerning an issue you have been involved in here: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Paul_Magnussen.2C_Sirswindon.2C_and_InigmaMan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.115.10.133 (talk) 19:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with Mathsci

You should not expect to be able to resolve anything with Mathsci in his user talk. You clearly aren't aware of the history of this user, but you might get a sense of it by looking at the discussion here. In particular the comments from SightWatcher, Only in Death, and Trevelyan's final comment here. The behaviour The Devil's Advocate is complaining about at AE, in which Mathsci follows him from place to place in order to try to get him sanctioned, is something Mathsci does to everyone who has opposed in the R&I topic. In addition to The Devil's Advocate and SightWatcher, two earlier examples of editors he's done this to are User:Miradre and user:Ludwigs2.

This will probably happen to you also, if you try to disengage from the race and intelligence topic area. You can expect it to happen even if you've had nothing to do with the topic area for the past year, because that's how long SightWatcher had been disengaged from the topic while Mathsci kept pursuing him.

Sorry for having to be so dire, but you need to understand what you've gotten yourself into. There isn't much you can do about it at this stage, but in one of his last comments in the linked arbitration thread The Devil's Advocate said he was considering starting an RFC/U about Mathsci, so that's probably the logical next step. If you or he needs diffs of Mathsci pursuing his enemies wherever they go on the project, I can provide them, and TrevelyanL85A2 also should be able to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.75.73.36 (talk) 06:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC) Scoring through suspected trolling post by ipsock of Echigo mole concerning me. Please do not restore per motion of the arbitration committee s concerning such postings. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 19:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

My god, that's a long thread. But I'll read it, and consider it for whatever I do next. I note the possibility that you're someone else's sockpuppet, so whatever decision I make will be based on what I can infer for myself from that discussion. Zeromus1 (talk) 06:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Commment The above message by 211.75.73.36 is from an anonymous proxy in Taiwan. Such proxies are not allowed on wikipedia. In the past proxies of this kind in Australia or China have been operated by Mikemikev, a community banned user. Please do not interact any further with this user. The best plan is to seek help from a member of the arbitration committee, e.g. Elen of the Roads. A motion was recently passed concerning interactions with banned users in the area of WP:ARBR&I. Please acquaint yourself with that motion as discretionary sanctions are in force for posts of the above kind:

Banned editors and their sockpuppets have long caused disruption to both the Race and Intelligence topic ("R&I") and editors associated with it.

The Committee notes that the applicable policy provides:

banned editors are prohibited from editing pages on Misplaced Pages;

the posts of a banned user may be reverted on sight by any editor;

any editor who restores the reverted post/s of a banned editor accepts full responsibility for the restored material.

To reduce disruption, the Committee resolves that no editor may restore any reverted edit made by a banned editor:

which was posted within the R&I topic or

which relates, directly or indirectly, to either the R&I topic or to any editor associated with the R&I topic.

Standard discretionary sanctions are authorised to enforce the foregoing in respect of any editor restoring any reverted post. Sanctions may not be imposed for edits made prior to the passing of this motion but warnings may be given for prior activity and should be logged appropriately.

TrevelyanL85A2 is an indefinitely blocked user under WP:ARBR&I. You should not interact with him. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 10:46, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

After looking into this, I'm more concerned about you than I am about whether Mikemikev posts in my user talk. It looks like you've singled me out the same way you singled out The Devil's Advocate, and now I see some of the long-term implications of that.

How do you explain this? Your dispute with Miradre was on race and intelligence articles, and his edits on Groupthink had nothing to do with that. It looks like because of your R&I dispute with him, you followed him to all of the other articles he was involved in just to revert all his edits.

The ruling you quoted to applies to banned editors, and TrevelyanL85A2 is indefinitely blocked. An indefinite block is different from a ban, so I can interact with TrevelyanL85A2 if I want to. I would like you to please leave both me and The Devil's Advocate alone, and not try to police our edits anymore. Based on your history I'm unsure about whether you'll respect that, but it would be great if you could turn over a new leaf. Zeromus1 (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

An indefinite block is one way that bans are implemented. Aligning yourself with users who have been indefinitely blocked is likely to be an unproductive exercise. aprock (talk) 19:13, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Indefinite blocks are certainly a way to implement a ban, but Trev has not been banned. The restriction also does not prohibit interactions with such editors, only restoring their edits.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)On closer inspection, the message appear to have been left by Echigo mole, using an illegal method of posting. (Both Echigo mole and Mikemikev appear to have been operating anonymised ipsocks recently.) Please see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Echigo mole and note that the motion of the arbitration committee applies to any edits by Echigo mole, a community banned editor with a reputation for lying and malice. Mathsci (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to restore the comment, but who it came from is irrelevant to the concerns others have raised about your own actions. In the linked thread, your conduct was criticized by around ten different editors. Unless you're suggesting all ten of those editors were also sockpuppets, those concerns seem valid.

I don't want to be the next focus of your attention, the way The Devil's Advocate, TrevelyanL85A2 and Miradre have been previously. Please stop doing this to people. Zeromus1 (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

1) That 10 people editing in the in the areas that are put under Arbitration Enforcement share the same uncomplementary views of editors on another side of that issue is not at all unusual. 2) It is good advice to take note of who is giving you advice and whether or not you actually want to follow it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think all of those people actually edit in the race and intelligence area. I've never seen any edits on those articles from Penwhale, Vecrumba, Silver Seren, A Quest for Knowledge, Only in Death, or Cla68. The Devil's Advocate was the only person criticizing Mathsci there who also edits the articles, and SightWatcher and TrevelyanL85A2 had edited them in the past. Zeromus1 (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

That is an interesting commentary/analysis from someone whose first edits in the R&I area would appear to be about 2 weeks ago. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:26, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I've been aware of the topic area for a few months. I actually was aware of it years ago when I used to edit as an IP, but I began paying attention to it again this summer. One thing that motivated me to register was when Yfever's article Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability was deleted in August, and I thought maybe I could help Yfever find books or articles to write about that were more notable. See my comment to Yfever here on August 19. I spent a while editing other things before I began participating in R&I because I wanted some time to re-acquaint myself with Misplaced Pages's tools before I attempted anything that might be controversial, but I've had some familiarity with these articles more or less since I registered. Zeromus1 (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Given your statement above, and the unfortunate rate of sock puppetry in the R&I arena, I think I would be remiss if I did not follow up with: 1) while you were editing as an IP, were you ever the subject of any sanctions or blocks? 2) In addition to editing as an IP, have you ever edited under a different account? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The IP I was editing under was shared by a few people, so it may have been blocked for something someone else did; I'm not able to remember anymore if it ever was. This was around four or five years ago. But in any case, I was never blocked myself. And this is the first named account I've used. Zeromus1 (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)