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** "Parishes, unlike geographic locations" - hahaha. This is funny. One more clown :-). ] (]) 02:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC) ** "Parishes, unlike geographic locations" - hahaha. This is funny. One more clown :-). ] (]) 02:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
***Instead of throwing PAs, you could have been trying to understand what he is saying. In simple words: a parish is not notable by its sheer existence (as geographic locations) but you have to prove notability with reliable, third party sources. ] ] 11:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC) ***Instead of throwing PAs, you could have been trying to understand what he is saying. In simple words: a parish is not notable by its sheer existence (as geographic locations) but you have to prove notability with reliable, third party sources. ] ] 11:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
**** Haha. Funny. "a parish is not (as geographic locations) " haha. http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/boundary_map_page.jsp?u_id=10736006 Haha. Someone made a map of the parish, haha. Turning it into a ... hahaha, can't hardly write hahha ... a geographical location. Haha. ] (]) 17:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': I guess the notability would depend on whether we are talking about the historic Sollentuna parish (]), which ''is'' a geographical location, albeit a non-current one, that is attested in written documents from the 13th century, but was almost certainly around from the 12th century (when the earliest parts of the church are dated), and possibly earlier, ''or'' the current Church of Sweden parish (]). The latter has its origins in the historic parish but is, in its current incarnation, a less interesting and rather ephemeral unit likely to change in size and shape to adapt to the trend of secularization. The historic parishes were also the basis of the first modern municipalities in 1863, when the ecclesiastical and secular aspects of the parishes were separated in two different but (for the next 90 years or so, with local variations) geographically identical units. --] (]) 16:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC) *'''Comment''': I guess the notability would depend on whether we are talking about the historic Sollentuna parish (]), which ''is'' a geographical location, albeit a non-current one, that is attested in written documents from the 13th century, but was almost certainly around from the 12th century (when the earliest parts of the church are dated), and possibly earlier, ''or'' the current Church of Sweden parish (]). The latter has its origins in the historic parish but is, in its current incarnation, a less interesting and rather ephemeral unit likely to change in size and shape to adapt to the trend of secularization. The historic parishes were also the basis of the first modern municipalities in 1863, when the ecclesiastical and secular aspects of the parishes were separated in two different but (for the next 90 years or so, with local variations) geographically identical units. --] (]) 16:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
** I think you are in the wrong session. This is the jokeboard! Haha. Just joking. ... ''']''' ] (]) 17:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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Sollentuna Parish

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One-liner without references of proof of notability. Fails WP:GNG. The Banner talk 00:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Do not not not delete (a.k.a. KEEP) Notability is asserted through the availability of sources, not the presence of them. Sollentuna Parish has been around for a few hundred years. Contrary to your declaration of it failing gng, this parish has been mentioned by numerous print sources, as a Google Books search would show. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 04:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
But as a weaker alternative, rather than an outright delete, maybe a redirect/merge to Sollentuna Municipality, though that would not be so fitting. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 04:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm leaning keep on this. After reviewing the Swedish Wiki page on this topic (at least i think the topic s the same) here: http://sv.wikipedia.org/Sollentuna_kyrka. It seems the Swedes have something to say about this place in their country. Maybe we should adapt the English article to mirror this content in English and be done with it. Celtechm (talk) 05:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: User:The Banner ("I am a Dutchman but since a couple of years living in County Clare, Ireland.") is fighting a little war against presentation of Sollentuna articles and Sollentuna content, see . So this nomination seems to be only part of the war, not really based on anything substantial. It would be nice if someone could remove this user from editing on Sollentuna related articles or maybe whole Sweden / Scandinavia. Also on his user page he lists no knowledge of any Scandinavian language, whilst listing several other languages. It seems he is not qualified and personally able to judge on the matter. His edits are highly disruptive to the process of improving the English Misplaced Pages. ChemTerm (talk) 06:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Keep - is Misplaced Pages a democracy and people can vote on such basic things? I think this is a joke. Voting on having certain content or not. Haha. Yes, I vote for Sollentuna. Shall we delete County Clare - place of living of User:The Banner - instead? Haha. Just joking. But seriously. Keep all verifiable content, even if The Banner ... hahaha ... says it is not notable hahaha .. I can note it. Haha. Just joking. This is so funny. Articlevotipedia. Hahaha ... ChemTerm (talk) 06:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
    Nice, instead of coming with valid arguments, you come with personal attacks. The Banner talk 11:58, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
haha, nice indeed. Funny, original material. ChemTerm, you can be a clown. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Haha, indeed agreed. Haha. But I think am would not be as good as the people suggesting to merge Sollentuna Parish into Sollentuna Municipality. Does that merging apply to reality too or only to the article haha. When is the referendum. OMG, does the Church of Sweden has anything to say here, I mean, the real parish is part of the Church of Sweden Diocese of Stockholm. Hahahaha.. but maybe in Misplaced Pages people are not restricted by reality. So much freedom. Maybe lets change more, Mississippi River flows in the USA. MERGE!?! Haha, just joking, I know this would not be done. ChemTerm (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Merge to Sollentuna Municipality. While we presume that places are notable, there is already this other article on the place, Sollentuna, and it is reasonable to include the parish within it. There is no prejudice against creating an article on churches (for example) of special interest, if there are adequate sources. I note that Swedish WP's "Sollentuna kyrka" ('Sollentuna church') has materials that could be used. And could everyone remain civil, please. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
But the parish itself is notable already, it deserves a stand alone article, rather than a merge to Sollentuna. It has potential for great expansion, with a fair share of cleanup. Merging would swamp potential material. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
In that case we would need citations that show the parish - not the church or town - is separately notable, as notability is not inherited. If you can identify three or four such reliable, independent citations then of course the article can stay. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Hm. Here. Mentioned in many lines in The Meaning of Christian Liturgy: Recent Developments in the Church of Sweden By Oloph Bexell, Gordon W. (FRW) Lathrop. Also mentioned in quite a few other books, like 'Visions of the past: trends and traditions in Swedish medieval archaeology, Tor, Volume 9, etc. Notability guidelines say only two sources are needed to affirm notability, so yea, this will pass easily. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 14:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment at User:Chiswick Chap - for the parish to be inside the municipality article, you surely found boundary information? Are did you just went be name, everything Sollentuna XYZ merge into Sollentuna Municipality? Merge New York City into New York! Has same letters in the beginning! ChemTerm (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete Parishes, unlike geographic locations, are not inherently notable and these is nothing that I can see that makes this one difference. The GoogleBook hits are all passing mentions (usually in reference to the church by the same name, which may deserve an article) or are non-notable coverage. There is simply no significant, in-depth coverage as required by WP:GNG. Additionally, the limited information on the proper swedish wikiepdia site, Sollentuna församling doesn't indicate to me that there are any major sources available in Swedish either. Ravendrop 17:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: I guess the notability would depend on whether we are talking about the historic Sollentuna parish (sv:Sollentuna socken), which is a geographical location, albeit a non-current one, that is attested in written documents from the 13th century, but was almost certainly around from the 12th century (when the earliest parts of the church are dated), and possibly earlier, or the current Church of Sweden parish (sv:Sollentuna församling). The latter has its origins in the historic parish but is, in its current incarnation, a less interesting and rather ephemeral unit likely to change in size and shape to adapt to the trend of secularization. The historic parishes were also the basis of the first modern municipalities in 1863, when the ecclesiastical and secular aspects of the parishes were separated in two different but (for the next 90 years or so, with local variations) geographically identical units. --Hegvald (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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