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''']''' is a ] project for disease research that simulates ], computational ], and other types of ]. The project is powered by the ] of thousands of ] owned by volunteers who have installed the software on their systems. Its primary purpose is to determine the mechanisms of protein folding, which is the process by which ]s reach their ], and to examine the causes of ]. This is of significant academic interest with major implications for ] into ], ], and many forms of ], among other diseases. Folding@home is developed and operated by the Pande laboratory at ], under the direction of ], and is shared by various scientific institutions and research laboratories across the world. The project has pioneered the use of ]s, ]s, and ] for distributed computing and scientific research. Folding@home is one of the world's fastest computing systems. Since its launch in 2000, it has assisted over 100&nbsp;]. (])</div></div>
:Nomination by primary editor. Article has 6 points: 2 points because it appears in 26 other languages, 1 for contributor history, 1 because Computing only has 19 FAs, and 2 points because ] appeared on the Main Page in 2008. &bull; ]] 23:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Awesome article. Note that the image is poor at a low resolution. If we have an image of Pande it may be better.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 23:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks. The picture is poor due its aspect ratio. I've uploaded a picture of ], see ]. The question is: would it be appropriate? I'm not so sure. ] is another alternative. &bull; ]] 23:57, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' very nice work, article looks good. Well done! <font face="Impact">]]]</font> 23:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Very interesting. Any chance of maybe using a folded protein (perhaps a crop of the black and green image?) for the picture? It's very striking. ] ] 23:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
::I could crop ] if that's what we want instead. &bull; ]] 23:57, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
::Here's a cropped version I just made: Hopefully there's enough border and the aspect ratio is okay, etc. &bull; ]] 00:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
::*The crop works, methinks.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 00:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:::*Yep, that's beautiful. Something so visually striking helps to hit home how interesting the field can be to a reader. ] ] 00:16, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


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Here the community can nominate articles to be selected as "Today's featured article" (TFA) on the main page. The TFA section aims to highlight the range of articles that have "featured article" status, from Art and architecture through to Warfare, and wherever possible it tries to avoid similar topics appearing too close together without good reason. Requests are not the only factor in scheduling the TFA (see Choosing Today's Featured Article); the final decision rests with the TFA coordinators: Wehwalt, Dank, Gog the Mild and SchroCat, who also select TFAs for dates where no suggestions are put forward. Please confine requests to this page, and remember that community endorsement on this page does not necessarily mean the article will appear on the requested date.

  • The article must be a featured article. Editors who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it for TFAR.
  • The article must not have appeared as TFA before (see the list of possibilities here), except that:
    • The TFA coordinators may choose to fill up to two slots each week with FAs that have previously been on the main page, so long as the prior appearance was at least five years ago. The coordinators will invite discussion on general selection criteria for re-runnable TFAs, and aim to make individual selections within those criteria.
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It can be helpful to add the article to the pending requests template, if the desired date for the article is beyond the 30-day period. This does not guarantee selection, but does help others see what nominations may be forthcoming. Requesters should still nominate the article here during the 30-day time-frame.

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II. Write the nomination.

On that nomination page, fill out as many of the relevant parts of the pre-loaded {{TFAR nom}} template as you can, then save the page.

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  • when the last similar article was, since this helps towards diversity on the main page (browsing Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/recent TFAs will help you find out);
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III. Write the blurb. Some Featured Articles promoted between 2016 and 2020 have pre-prepared blurbs, found on the talk page of the FAC nomination (that's the page linked from "it has been identified" at the top of the article's talk page). If there is one, copy and paste that to the nomination, save it, and then edit as needed. For other FAs, you're welcome to create your own TFA text as a summary of the lead section, or you can ask for assistance at WT:TFAR. We use one paragraph only, with no reference tags or alternative names; the only thing bolded is the first link to the article title. The length when previewed is between 925 and 1025 characters including spaces, " (Full article...)" and the featured topic link if applicable. More characters may be used when no free-use image can be found. Fair use images are not allowed.
IV. Post at TFAR.

After you have created the nomination page, add it here under a level-3 heading for the preferred date (or under a free non-specific date header). To do this, add (replacing "ARTICLE TITLE" with the name of your nominated article):
===February 29===
{{Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/ARTICLE TITLE}}

Nominations are ordered by requested date below the summary chart. More than one article can be nominated for the same date.

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In the absence of exceptional circumstances, TFAs are scheduled in date order, not according to how long nominations have been open or how many supportive comments they have. So, for example, January 31 will not be scheduled until January 30 has been scheduled (by TFAR nomination or otherwise).

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Currently accepting requests from February 1 to March 3.

Shortcuts The TFAR requests page is currently accepting nominations from February 1 to March 3. Articles for dates beyond then can be listed here, but please note that doing so does not count as a nomination and does not guarantee selection. Before listing here, please check for dead links using checklinks or otherwise, and make sure all statements have good references. This is particularly important for older FAs and reruns.

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Date Article Reason Primary author(s) Added by (if different)
2025:
February 9 Japanese battleship Tosa Why The ed17
March 1 Meurig ab Arthfael Why Dudley Miles Sheila1988
March 10 Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Why NegativeMP1
March 12 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season Why SounderBruce
March 18 Edward the Martyr Why Amitchell125 Sheila1988
March 26 Pierre Boulez Why Dmass Sheila1988
April 12 Dolly de Leon Why Pseud 14
April 15 Lady Blue (TV series) Why Aoba47 Harizotoh9
April 18 Battle of Poison Spring Why HF
April 24 "I'm God" Why Skyshifter
April 25 1925 FA Cup final Why Kosack Dank
May 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (re-run, first TFA was May 14, 2015) Why Peacemaker67
May 6 Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories Why Harizotoh9
May 10 Ben&Ben Why Pseud 14
May 11 Valley Parade Why Harizotoh9
May 11 Mother (Meghan Trainor song) Why MaranoFan
May 17 Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song) Why Ippantekina Jlwoodwa
June The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished Why iridescent Harizotoh9
June 1 Namco Why Harizotoh9
June 3 David Evans (RAAF officer) Why Harizotoh9
June 5 Jaws (film) Why 750h+
June 6 American logistics in the Northern France campaign Why Hawkeye7 Sheila1988
June 8 Barbara Bush Why Harizotoh9
June 23 Battle of Groix Why Jackyd101 Jlwoodwa
June 26 Donkey Kong Land Why TheJoebro64 Jlwoodwa
July 1 Maple syrup Why Nikkimaria Dank
July 7 Gustav Mahler Why Brianboulton Dank
July 14 William Hanna Why Rlevse Dank
July 26 Liz Truss Why Tim O'Doherty Tim O'Doherty and Dank
July 29 Tiger Why LittleJerry
July 31 Battle of Warsaw (1705) Why Imonoz Harizotoh9
August 4 Death of Ms Dhu Why Freikorp AirshipJungleman29
August 23 Yugoslav torpedo boat T3 Why Peacemaker67
August 25 Born to Run Why Zmbro Jlwoodwa
August 30 Late Registration Why Harizotoh9
September 2 1905–06 New Brompton F.C. season Why Harizotoh9
September 6 Hurricane Ophelia (2005) Why Harizotoh9
September 20 Myst V: End of Ages Why Harizotoh9
September 30 or October 1 Hoover Dam Why NortyNort, Wehwalt Dank
October 1 Yugoslav torpedo boat T4 Why Peacemaker67
October 3 Spaghetti House siege Why SchroCat Dank
October 10 Tragic Kingdom Why EA Swyer Harizotoh9
October 16 Angela Lansbury Why Midnightblueowl MisawaSakura
October 18 Royal Artillery Memorial Why HJ Mitchell Ham II
November 1 Matanikau Offensive Why Harizotoh9
November 19 Water Under the Bridge Why MaranoFan
November 20 Nuremberg trials Why buidhe harizotoh9
November 21 Canoe River train crash Why Wehwalt
December 25 Marcus Trescothick Why Harizotoh9
December 30 William Anderson (RAAF officer) Why Ian Rose Jlwoodwa
2026:
January 27 History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II Why Harizotoh9
February 27 Raichu Why Kung Fu Man
March 13 Swift Justice Why Harizotoh9
May 5 Me Too (Meghan Trainor song) Why MaranoFan
June 1 Rhine campaign of 1796 Why harizotoh9
June 8 Types Riot Why Z1720
July 23 Veronica Clare Why Harizotoh9
September 6 Assassination of William McKinley Why Wehwalt czar
September 20 Persona (series) Why Harizotoh9
November The Story of Miss Moppet Why Harizotoh9
November 11 U.S. Route 101 Why SounderBruce
October 15 Easy on Me Why MaranoFan
November 20 Tôn Thất Đính Why Harizotoh9
December 21 Fredonian Rebellion Why Harizotoh9
December 22 Title (song) Why MaranoFan
2027:
June 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?) Why
August 25 Genghis Khan Why AirshipJungleman29
October 15 The Motherland Calls Why Joeyquism


Date Article Points Notes Supports Opposes
Nonspecific 1 William Jennings Bryan presidential campaign, 1896 2 3
Nonspecific 2
Nonspecific 3 Gender Bender 0 0 0
Nonspecific 4
Nonspecific 5
November 4 Gabriel Fauré 3 Day of death, widely covered, penalty for recent TFA of Charles Villiers Stanford 1 1
November 5 Thomas Percy (Gunpowder Plot) day of death 4 3
November 6 Pointer to discussion at Talk:Main Page about potential US election day TFAs
November 13 Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania) Day significant -- anniversary of date listed on National Register of Historic Places and as National Historic Landmark 3 0
November 17 Metroid Prime 5 Tenth anniversary, 2008 FA, nomination by significant contributor 3 0
November 20 Windsor Castle 4 20th anniversary of the fire; widely covered topic 5 0

Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers. The nominator is included in the number of supporters.

Nonspecific date nominations

Nonspecific date 1

William Jennings Bryan presidential campaign, 1896

William Jennings Bryan

In 1896, William Jennings Bryan ran for U.S. president. The former Democratic congressman from Nebraska, who gained his party's presidential nomination in July of that year after electrifying the Democratic National Convention with his Cross of Gold speech, was defeated in the general election by the Republican candidate, former Ohio governor William McKinley. Born in 1860, Bryan grew up in rural Illinois and in 1887 moved to Nebraska, where he practiced law and entered politics. He won election to the House of Representatives in 1890, and was re-elected in 1892, before mounting an unsuccessful US Senate run. Despite the loss, he set his sights on higher office, believing he could be elected president in 1896 even though he remained a relatively minor figure in the Democratic Party. In anticipation of a presidential campaign, he spent much of 1895 and early 1896 making speeches across the United States; his oratory, for which he was noted, increased his popularity in his party. Bryan often spoke on the issue of the currency. He undertook an extensive tour by rail to bring his campaign to the people, speaking some 600 times, to an estimated 5,000,000 listeners. His campaign focused on silver, an issue which failed to appeal to the urban voter, and he was defeated. (more...)
Gerda, what does "as pending request" mean? Are you the nominator? The date relevance will not be obvious to everyone. When did we last have a similar article? NB Bryan's Cross of Gold speech from this same campaign was FA on July 9th. If you are going to nominate things, please do so properly. Johnbod (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Support I don't see the problem running it on that date. It's an election from 1896, and the politics and parties are as far removed from the modern American political landscape as you can imagine. If it was more contemporary I could see the problem. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Nonspecific date 2

Nonspecific date 3

A couple in dark clothes walk along a road, backs to the camera, while a young man on a bicycle heads in the opposite direction.

"Gender Bender" is the fourteenth episode of the television series The X-Files. Premiering on the Fox network on January 21, 1994, it was written by Larry and Paul Barber, directed by Rob Bowman, and featured guest appearances by Brent Hinkley and Nicholas Lea. The show centers on FBI special agents Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) who work on cases linked to the paranormal, called X-Files. In this episode, Mulder and Scully begin investigating a series of murders following sexual encounters. The two soon discover that a member of a religious sect living in Massachusetts may be responsible—and may not be human. The episode was inspired by producer Glen Morgan's desire for "an episode with more of a sexy edge"; however, the writers found it difficult to write a story that showed sex as scary. This difficulty led to the introduction of an Amish-like community as well. "Gender Bender" has subsequently been met with mixed critical responses, facing criticism for its abrupt deus ex machina ending. Academic analysis of the episode has placed it within a science-fiction tradition that attributes a powerful, supernatural element to physical contact with aliens. It has also been seen as reflecting anxieties about emerging gender roles in the 1990s. (more...)
  • −2 pointslast television or film article featured was my own work on Manhunter on August 15; though if Nixon in China is considered similar enough then this is at −2 points instead. Still interesting; and to be honest, if discussion on the November 6 date doesn't go anywhere productive I'd like to see it run on that day, as gender-swapping space Amish would be a perfectly neutral topic for the US election day. GRAPPLE X 23:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Nonspecific date 4

Nonspecific date 5

Specific date nominations

November 4

Gabriel Fauré

Gabriel Fauré Gabriel Fauré (1845–1924) was one of the foremost French composers of his generation, whose musical style influenced many 20th-century composers. His music has been described as linking the end of Romanticism with the modernism of the second quarter of the 20th century. He trained as an organist and choirmaster in Paris, where his teachers included Camille Saint-Saëns, who became a lifelong friend. In later life, when he was organist of the Église de la Madeleine and director of the Paris Conservatoire, he retreated to the countryside in his summer holidays to concentrate on composing. By his last years, Fauré was recognised in France as the leading French composer of his day. Outside France, Fauré's music took decades to become widely accepted, except in Britain, where he had many admirers during his lifetime. His best-known works include Pavane, Requiem, nocturnes for piano, and the songs "Après un rêve" and "Clair de lune". Although his best-known and most accessible compositions are generally his earlier ones, Fauré composed many of his greatest works in his later years, in a harmonically and melodically much more complex style. (more...)

I think this should be on the main page. It has 5 points in total.--Lucky102 (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Support the article, but the blurb doesn't need events he has in common with others (childhood, unspecific graduation), should better show what is his specialty. We began rehearsing his Requiem yesterday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Not sure the table above says "Day of death, no article similar in over 6 months(composers, not operas), widely covered" but why should I have to look up there? When did he die anyway? Another dubious calculation of similarity "(composers, not operas)" - right, and with beards! When is the Glass opera just selected going as TFA? Fuller and better nominations please! Johnbod (talk) 23:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Blurb rewritten. Bencherlite 14:06, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
  • 3 points and oppose since Charles Villiers Stanford (a composer who died in the same year as Faure) has been selected for 30th October and we shouldn't run two classical composers so close together. Bencherlite 22:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

November 5

Thomas Percy (Gunpowder Plot)

Thomas Percy

Thomas Percy (c. 1560–1605) was a member of the group of provincial English Catholics who planned the failed Gunpowder Plot of 1605. Little is known of his early life before 1596 when a distant relation, Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland, appointed him constable of Alnwick Castle. Percy acted as the earl's intermediary in a series of confidential communications with King James VI of Scotland. He became disenchanted with James after his accession to the English throne in 1603, as he considered that James had reneged on promises of toleration for English Catholics. He met Robert Catesby in 1603 and in the following year joined Catesby's conspiracy to kill the king and his ministers by blowing up the House of Lords with gunpowder. Percy provided the group with funding and secured the leases to certain properties in London, including the undercroft directly beneath the House of Lords, in which the gunpowder was placed. When the plot was exposed on 5 November 1605, Percy immediately fled to the Midlands, catching up with some of the other conspirators en route. Catesby and Percy were killed on 8 November during a siege at Holbeche House in Staffordshire by the Sheriff of Worcester and his men. (more...)
Confuse? There was no bonfire, and the person died 8 Nov, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
The point is that 5 November, aka "Bonfire Night" in the UK, is the day that the "Gunpowder plot" is commemorated, being the date in 1605 on which the conspiracy to blow up king and parliament was discovered. Percy is only really noteworthy because of his involvement with the plot; his death date three days later has no actual significance. For that reason I agree with the IP above. Brianboulton (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

November 6

US Presidential Election Suggestion

Is Misplaced Pages going to do a split featured article for the US Presidential Election as in 2008? Barack Obama has been featured before, of course. However, we could also do Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, or the Political Positions of Obama and Romney. I don't see any mention of anything like this anywhere, it was surprising, so I'm suggesting it. Sorry, I don't know how to format articles, let alone make sure they're politically neutral. --66.188.84.18 (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a discussion underway at Talk:Main Page#Nov 6 TFA and I suggest that comments are best left there instead of in multiple venues. Bencherlite 18:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

November 13

Horseshoe Curve (Pennsylvania)

View of the horseshoe bend from the air

Horseshoe Curve is a 3,485-foot (1,062 m), triple-tracked, railroad curve on the Norfolk Southern Railway's Pittsburgh Line in Logan Township, Blair County in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. It is close to 1,300 feet (400 m) in diameter and has a grade of almost 2 percent. As a train travels west from Altoona, it ascends almost 60 feet (20 m) in the 0.66-mile (1.06 km) segment that makes up the curve and rotates 220 degrees. The curve was completed in 1854 by the Pennsylvania Railroad as a means of lessening the grade to the summit of the Allegheny Mountains by increasing the distance. It was built as alternative to the time-consuming Allegheny Portage Railroad, the only other method of traversing the mountains. It has formed an important part of the region's transport infrastructure since its opening, and during World War II was targeted by Nazi Germany in 1942 as a part of Operation Pastorius. Horseshoe Curve was added to the National Register of Historic Places and designated a National Historic Landmark in 1966. It was also designated a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark in 2004. Since its opening, Horseshoe Curve has been a tourist attraction. A trackside observation park for visitors was completed in 1879. The park was renovated and a visitor center constructed in the early 1990s. (more...)
Nov 13 is the date is was listed as a National Historic Landmark and on the National Register of Historic Places.
The category is "potentially dated". The article says "as of 2008 is traversed by 51 scheduled freight trains every day." Mind you, this is a fairly recent FA so this may indeed be the most recent data available. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

November 17

Metroid Prime

Metroid Prime is a video game developed by Retro Studios and Nintendo for the Nintendo GameCube, released in North America in 2002 and in Japan and Europe the following year. It is the first 3D game in the Metroid series, the fifth main installment, and is classified by Nintendo as a first-person adventure rather than a first-person shooter, due to the large exploration component of the game and its precedence over combat. Like previous games in the series, Metroid Prime has a science fiction setting, in which players control the bounty hunter Samus Aran. The story follows Samus as she battles the Space Pirates and their biological experiments on the planet Tallon IV. The game was a collaborative effort between Retro's staff in Austin, Texas and Japanese Nintendo employees, including producer Shigeru Miyamoto, who was the one who suggested the project after visiting Retro's headquarters in 2000. Despite initial backlash from fans due to the first-person perspective, the game was released to both universal acclaim and commercial success, selling more than a million units in North America alone.(more...)

Five points: Date marks the tenth anniversary of the game's release. Featured since 2008, and I'm the main contributor. Last VG article on the main page was in September 20, which can lead to a two month break if no such TFA appears in October. igordebraga 03:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

November 20

Windsor Castle

Windsor Castle Windsor Castle is a medieval castle and royal residence in Windsor in the English county of Berkshire, notable for its long association with the British royal family and for its architecture. The original motte-and-bailey castle, built after the Norman invasion by William the Conqueror, was designed to protect Norman dominance around the outskirts of London and to oversee a strategically important part of the River Thames. The castle's lavish early 19th-century State Apartments are architecturally significant, and the 15th-century St George's Chapel is an outstanding example of English Perpendicular Gothic design. Since the time of Henry I it has been used by a succession of monarchs and is the longest-occupied palace in Europe. A popular tourist attraction, it is used as a venue for hosting state visits, and is the Queen's preferred weekend home. It was used as a refuge for the royal family during the Second World War and survived a fire on 20 November 1992. More than five hundred people live and work in Windsor, making it the largest inhabited castle in the world. (more...)

Four points: 20th anniversary of the fire, and a widely covered topic. Old-school citations, but everything else is first-rate. -- Dianna (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Support (I think I edited it a bit). Only about 3 more art & architecture articles left now, so let's space them out. Johnbod (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support It looks like a good selection...Modernist (talk) 18:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Support, but Comment to any of the authors watching: I don't want to put a maintenance template on such a high-profile article if I can help it, but extreme {{citation needed}} regarding "the largest inhabited castle in the world", which—if that is what the source says—is a comment squarely in VNT territory since it's evident bullshit. Prague Castle is an inhabited castle (the residence of the Czech president) and is considerably larger; I'd be surprised if there aren't at the very least some janitorial apartments in Marienburg/Malbork, which is larger than Windsor and Prague combined; and if you consider The Kremlin a "castle" rather than a "fortification" (and it certainly meets all the various definitions at Castle) it's almost as large as Windsor, Prague and Marienburg combined. – iridescent 18:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd welcome anyone joining in on the thread on the talk page with sources. It's been debated before, but the conversation has suffered as a result of the paucity of alternative sources being provided. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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