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Re: Kurdish-Turkish Conflict to Turkish-PKK Conflict

E4025, this move request really should be listed at WP:RM. Additionally if you want to call attention to bad behavior, and what admin intervention, then that request needs to handled at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Go to that page and follow the instructions. A lot of administrators monitor the page and you will get a prompt response. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Re listing at RM, it is actually pretty simple. You would just follow the instructions at WP:RM and place this wording on the article talk page leaving out the NoWiki and adding your rational. At bot will come along and do the rest. Good Luck --Mike Cline (talk) 17:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== Requested move == {{subst:requested move|NewName}} Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate.~~~~

RegentsPark did it. Sorry, I am trying to avoid making mistakes in highly visible areas... --E4024 (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Salsa on chimney

It was not used there as a saying. It was used as a metaphor. Salsa is a kind of ketchup that you get here, in my part of the world. MrsCaptcha (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I know that salsa is a kind of sauce (watch a lot of American TV series :-) and means "sauce" in Spanish. I was surprised by the chimney reference only. I thought only Santa entered through chimneys... Take care. --E4024 (talk) 18:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion

Hello, E4024. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 19:15, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Warned him. Should the article say something about Assyria? Dougweller (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I thank you. I think looking that back to find the traces of a modern era dessert is a bit exaggerated and I doubt any reliable source can claim such a thing. (Personally I suspect the user's way of presenting things looks more like "I am supporting any theory that makes no reference to Turks", though...) I suppose if there are reliable sources backing the theory why not accept it, but certainly without getting confused that the first person who invented a wheel could be considered the inventor of the automobile. The user should prove his/her claims and convince the other editors at the discussion page of the article. I like baklava but do not believe the article is mine. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:17, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

TBMM + other issues

Hello, as a response to your earlier address, the Republic of Turkey wasn't formed until 1923, (29 October to be exact). Therefore the governmental body commanding nationalist forces in the war was the Turkish Grand National Assembly (Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi). There was no such country as the Republic of Turkey until 1923, therefore it wouldn't be wise to place a country that doesn't exist in the belligerents. The Kuva-yi Milliye was a guerrilla organization that attacked invading forces throughout the war. The Kuva-yi Milliye operated on it's own from 1919-20 and under the command of TBMM from 1920-23. (Remember the war wasn't over until the treaty was signed in 1923). The regular army did the heavy lifting while Kuva-yi Milliye supported them by destroying supply lines or harassing the enemy etc... As for Thrace I don't know what you're talking about for I didn't edit something like that. If I did, please show me. Regards (Central Data Bank (talk))

CDB, I did not say Rep of Turkey, I said (and indeed edited) Turkey. This looks absurd to me, BTW, look how many articles will you find refering "Turkey" in the same period. It is not a question of States but Governments. (Ankara Hük.) This is why I said "then write the TBMM Hükümeti article". (You see TBMM and TBMM Hükümeti are not the same thing, just like Rep of T and T. T has a use of one millennium.) Trakya referansi ise genel bir referansti: As you are editing the article and do not touch there that means you accept it, or not? Benim kafam biraz na to kafa na to mermeraki gibi düz(gün) calisir... Cordial selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

My apologies I was reading the wrong article. If the Bombardment of Samsun is what we are talking about then to write "Turkey" as an entity is weird. TBMM wasn't involved at Samsun, it was the Kuva-yi Milliye. Therefore it should be Kuva-yi Milliye. A reader may ask, what is "Turkey" if not the republic then what is it? To be more informative Kuva-yi Milliye should be written. Selamlarimla.. (Central Data Bank (talk))

No need to apologies here. The real issue is; Samsun and elsewhere was, as is now, Turkey. Size Türkce belirtecegim: Sadece Hükümetlerin taninmasi ile Devletlerin taninmasi (Devletler Hukuku acisindan) degil anlatmaya calistigim. Mantiken ortada bir ülke var ve milli kuvvetleriyle, ordusu ile, sivilleriyle savasiyor. Bunu anlamak zor bir sey degil, sadece bakis acinizi degistirmeniz gerekiyor. Siz ABD yazinca Washington'dan birileri mi bombalamis oluyor Samsun'u? Bakin o dönemde TBMM Hükümetinin baska ülkelerle (Afganistan, Rusya, Kafkas Cumhuriyetleri, Fransa) imzaladigi anlasmalar var; hepsi "Türkiye'nin anlasmalari" olarak gecer literatürde. Moskova Antlasmasini Kuvay-i Milliye mi yapti? Cok rica ediyorum, yanlista israr etmeyin. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Bakin, burada "Government of Turkey" yaziyor. Lütfen makule karsi israrci olmayin. --E4024 (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Siz beni yanlis anladiniz. Misplaced Pages'daki savaslar illa bir ulke yazilacak diye bir sey yoktur. TBMM veya "Turkiye'nin" duzenli ordusu Samsunda degildi. Orda Kuva-yi Milliye vardi. Insan merak ediyorsa eger ozaman Kuva-yi milliyeye tiklayip hangi ulke veya millet icin savastigini gorur. Burda biz savasan organizasyonlardan bahsediyoruz. Ulke, hukumet veya kucuk bir cete bile olabilir. I would prefer if we wrote in English because Turkish is my second language and I don't understand it as well. Selamlar. (Central Data Bank (talk))

Il Cavaliere risponde

Of course! Otherwise I would lose soon my "enişte" honorific title! :-) Alex2006 (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Well deserved! :-) (I refrained from the "Il" though, not to enter politics... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW, I think that time has come to block the article for anonymous IPs, because the guy from Brooklyn apparently has not enough yet! Alex2006 (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeni Madde

Yoksa kategori mi? Bence "madde" olabilecek malzeme var. Öncelikle Karadeniz Ek. İşb. Teşk. (BCEC)i alıyorsun. Sonra Turkic Council. Bir de D-8 ekledin mi yeme de yanında yat. Sonra OIC maddesine bakıyorsun. Orada merkezi bizde olan 3 uluslararası kuruluş var. 2si Subsidiary Organisations biri de Affiliated Institutions bölümünde. Böylece, Türksoy ile birlikte tam 7 örgüt oldu. (Biraz ararsak daha da buluruz belki. Ayrıca ileride "eskiden merkezi bizde olanlar" bilgisini ekleriz, Cento gibi...) Şimdilik yeterli malzeme bunlar. Sen hepsini biraraya getirip (wikilinkleri filan ile) bir taslak madde yapıverirsen ben de tepesine giriş cümlelerini yazarım; hızla ortaya çıkar. Birkaç günde ilk ortak maddemizi sürmüş oluruz piyasaya... :-) Selam-sevgi. --E4024 (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Kabaca şöyle bir şey yapmaya çalıştım İstanbul için. Başka ne sütunu eklenebilir bilemedim, sana bırakıyorum. Notlar kısmına ise genel sekreterlik mi İstanbul'da, başka bir şeyi mi İstanbul'da gibisinden notlar eklenebilir.--Rapsar (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Eline saglik, cok güzel. Sana yaziyorum diye kum kutunda oynamisim. Belki internet sitelerini filan da eklesek iyi bir baslangic olur. Sonra herkes birseyler ekler... --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Son hali budur. Uygun görüyorsan "List of international organizations based in İstanbul" ismiyle açabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Harika olmus; ama sen acmalisin. Söz, ilk editi ben yaparim; alaturkada oldugu gibi... :-) --E4024 (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Türkiye bana pek mantıklı gelmedi, ondan İstanbul yaptım. ABD için, İsviçre için yapılsa mesela aşırı uzun olacağından şehirlere ayrılması istenecektir muhtemelen. Bunlara paralel olarak da İstanbul olması yerinde olacaktır. Ama dersen ki Türkiye yapalım, o ikisini de ekleriz, sıkıntı olmaz benim için :)--Rapsar (talk) 08:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

• Madde açıldı, bir-iki yeni kategori de oluşturdum konuyla ilgili olarak. Çalışma var şablonunu bıraktım, ekleme ve düzenleme yapabilirsin. Hayırlı olsun.--Rapsar (talk) 10:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --E4024 (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Hellim

Hi! This is seksen not bothering to log in. Looking at the history of that page you've mentioned, I can see nothing lost. No, I don't currently check my talk page. I actually found myself here while I was looking at the AEL Limassol page after they were drawn in the same group as Fenerbahçe (though I'm not a Fenerbahçe fan). But still, should you need anything from Cyprus, you can write it at my talk page, as presumably at some indefinite point in the future, I'll be looking at that page again - but I don't advise urgent requests :) Just to clarify, with "anything from Cyprus", I do not mean, "oh, seksen, could you please send some halloumi from Cyprus?", but stuff like photos, data, brief information, links, etc. --82.145.251.161 (talk) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. Recently a friend brought me so much that I almost got bored of eating it (fried, at breakfast) but until you send me some I will again have appetite for Hellim. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Still curious

Here I am back, with a proper user name as requested. As for your comment (to Fut.Perf.) on my IP talk page, I am still curious: Who are "they"? And what specific POV-placing do you have in mind? Feel free to scan my history of User contributions. Regards! --Usually79160 (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

May I see your reply to Future? --E4024 (talk) 18:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I have so far not answered Future, and I am still not quite sure if I will do. He only came up with a suggestion, you know. And I have considered it, still do, actually. If I answer him, I will tell you. --79.160.40.10 (talk) 18:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

2012-09 Gates

"You have a nice user name" (E4024) Thank you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

"the last subtraction you did was not nice" (E4024) Why? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

My edit summary was clear enough, however I won't edit fight with you. Good-bye. --E4024 (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

List of suicides

Hi, E4024. A belated Welcome to Misplaced Pages! If you want to add material to articles, it's a good idea to use the preview function, or check your edits to make sure that citation errors like this do not occur. If they do, and you don't know how to fix them, just ask another editor like myself for help. For now, don't worry; another editor indeed fixed your citation. If it helps, you can find a list of citation templates at WP:citation templates. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

If you say so... --E4024 (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

5 reverts in Occupation of Smyrna

You have 5 reverts in this article in less than 12h, which isn't cool no matter the reason. Although I'm not used to report people, I'm sorry but this turns to become very clear that discussion is fruitless. Please read wp:what wikipedia is not. See ]Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I am cool enough. My last edit was correcting your spelling mistake in the "cradle of Greek civilization" phrase. I am not "hostile" against anyone and believe knowledge is for sharing. This is why I am trying to teach you a simple thing about how international treaties are "made". If you have questions regarding this legal procedure do not hesitate to ask me. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool gentleman with a sense of humour

I really am a cool person. Above above (2 stages) a user tells me I have made a wrong citation and I simply reply to him (or her) "if you say so" although I had nothing to do with the said citation. (Indeed I only added nationality to the name of a folk singer there.) Why discuss on these details? I am a cool guy... :-) --E4024 (talk) 21:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

3RR violation at Occupation of Smyrna

Please see WP:AN3#User:E4024 reported by User:Alexikoua (Result: ). If you don't agree to stop reverting, it is likely that you will be blocked. If you want the drafted-but-not-ratified 'Treaty of Sèvres' to be correctly described in the article, you will need to negotiate and not just revert. Since you have good intentions it would be regrettable if admins decide they need to block you to stop the war. Your existing response at the noticeboard is not enough to avoid a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have tried to appeal the user's commonsense on that, even tried to lecture him but to no avail. S/He seems even not to understand that when I refer to "Turkey" I refer to the same and only country, the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire or the Turkish Republic. On the other hand, the said user does insist on not understanding that it is not only that the said "Treaty" was born dead but also it was "signed" more than one year after the discussed occupation. I am really in difficulty to reach at his comprehension. I would kindly request you, as I imagine you may be an administrator but also a user like any else who only wishes to improve the contents of WP, why don't you help the said user to see the facts, or simply edit yourself, as I see you understand my point(s) and that help could not only settle the dispute between two users but also possibly contribute to bettering the said article. All the best and thank you. --E4024 (talk) 08:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

reply

I removed it because the article is about an assassination, not a terrorist attack. George Spurlin (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't remember where I said that you can use that there, but if I did, I was wrong and I'm sorry. Your problem is that you want to tag everything as terrorist, when in fact there are other words in the English language and other categories that can be applied to the articles. Here is a perfectly good Category:Assassinated Turkish diplomats that fits perfectly well in that article. George Spurlin (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Replied in your talk page. I request you not to divide the conversation, keep it in one place so people may follow more easily the flow of the logic. I also kindly inform you that I requested an admin to take a look at your recent edits. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Occupation of Smyrna

The next time you insult my intelligence as you did here with your derogatory language i will report you directly.This is the second time you have done it, i will not tolerate a third. 23x2 _φ 18:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting really. Only 5 minutes after I asked an admin to help me file a case of dispute resolution-arbitration on the same article, whose discussion page is full of my detailed arguments, I am being sanctioned. I am also being recommended to ask protection of the page, although I had done that and been rejected. On the other hand, many admins who would simply count the reverts could see that the party that accused me might have done more reverts than myself on the same article; moreover, without convincing arguments. I will not appeal the block but hope other admins and users come to my help and share their opinions on this. (I mean the article, not the block itself.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Correction: It was 6 minutes exactly, not five; I checked it again... --E4024 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Werldwayd

Thanks for your reminder and interest. Actually I wanted to keep "werldwayd" intact as that is my user name in "traditional spelling" (TS). But of course you are right. Since I used "wərldwαyd" in the title, I should use it in the phonetic version as well. Now I've changed it to wərldwαyd as well. You also must have noticed by now that for the sound @ as in "at", "flat", "cat" etc I use another form of "a" which is "ɑ" as different from "α" for the alpha like in "far", "car" etc... I don't like the "a" we have as practically nobody writes it as such in written form anyway. It is just a printed letter that we almost never write that way in handwriting... Some more improvements. Just drop the ph in favour of f as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı etc ... use the z when its pronounced z like in kıdz, armz, legz, but leave the s when it is pronounced as such, like in kɑts, deyts, pαrts as for y it is always a consonant and never a vowel. When a vowel, use ı as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı So when we want to write fly or cry, I write it as flαy krαy (thus avoiding the vowel y and avoiding the confusion of how it should be spelt in words) and by the way just drop the x and use ks instead. For example instead of text, sex and mix, use the phonetic tekst, seks, mıks LOL werldwayd (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Let me warn you that you are about to begin learning Turkish, a language that is very lucky to have a (or "one") letter for every sound and only one sound for each letter, although the language itself is not considered an easy one to learn, BTW. When I see your personal alphabet of English I remember Turkish children writing the same way in their notebooks the pronunciation of the foreign language, in their own (Turkish) alphabet... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

It is a good way to learn pronunciation... But there are very phonetic languages in their general design, like Tagalog and Swahili... BTW, I am Armenian and my parents originate from Turkey from a region we call Cilicia. I read and speak Turkish quite well actually. werldwayd (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Ne güzel! Öyleyse bundan böyle Türkçe sürdürelim yazışmayı. Selamlar...--E4024 (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Aferim arkadaş Actually my parents come from Kahramanmaraş... But I'd rather continue in English LOL werldwayd (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually the reforms in Turkish were through an Armenian linguist called Agop Dilaçar (Agop Martayan) that headed the Turkish Language Association. I like the Turkish use of ç which I use for ch / tch in English like children written as çıldrən, but then the inverted "ə" was introduced recently to Azeri language. But in the same way I like the z with cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television which can be written with a z with the cedilla in similar fashion to ş and ç werldwayd (talk) 13:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

We do have the zh sound in Turkish, although always in words with a foreign origin like jandarma, Jale (proper name, fem.), jilet, jöle etc; it is represented with the letter j. On the other hand of course I know Turkish linguists of Armenian origin like Dilaçar, Tuğlacı, Nișanyan and others. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course it is distinct as you have the c for the dj sound, so j can be used for the Turkish zh sound. But in English this wouln't be possible as j has a different sound value anyhow, thus the need for z cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television or genre for example. werldwayd (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Occupation of Smyrna

Selamlar. Attığın mail'deki resmi sen mi çekmiştin? Öyleyse senin yüklemen daha uygun olacaktır. Commons'a yüklersen Türkçe Vikipedi'de de kullanılır :)--Rapsar (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Copyright konusunu iyi bilemedigim icin yardim istemistim. Neyse bosver, zaten o madde bastan yazilacak gibi görünüyor. Resmi daha sonra da ekleyebiliriz. Tesekkürler. --E4024 (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

..it is preferred that you use English on English Misplaced Pages talk pages... demiş -ki ben de tercih etmiyorum :) Resme dönersek, burada olduğu gibi bir lisanslama/açıklama yapabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Ben anlamaz. (Ay dont nowz... :-) --E4024 (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Speak English

For this and for the section above, please see WP:SPEAKENGLISH. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Admin Bbb23, thanks, I read it. The talk was about a help request concerning uploading a photo to the article in question, no big deal really. (As you may have noticed since you blocked two users for an edit war there has not been much activity on that article, instead quite some activity on its discussion page. I am happy about that; I paid the price but at the end some people came to discuss how to make better a badly-written article.) Returning to the "real" issue here, I noticed that you forgot to write to the user who initiated the talk in another language, so I took the liberty to remind them myself. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Keeping it cool

Hey dude, I'm a Muslim too. And I know we get maligned all the time by idiots. But its important to keep everything 100% cool when we do. So its best to avoid comments like these. Because well-meaning people could get offended. If someone's being racist, call out their racism, but don't attack them back.VR _talk 14:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool as a pool. OK. Bye. --E4024 (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Your recent talkpage edit

I don't understand your last edit at the no personal attacks talkpage. Was it a joke or an attempt to make a point? Chrisrus (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course it was a joke. (I saw you are working very much and wanted to give you a smile... :-) BTW thank you for your efforts to improve WP. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Do you mind if I undo it? It doesn't seem to be helping. I'm trying to get something going. Actually, please, if you would, please give an example of something that might make one defensive but isn't a personal attack in the place of it if you would. Chrisrus (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Please, be my guest. Indeed I was intending to write in that blank "It's all Greek to you" which would fit exactly to the need that you describe above; however I am not very sure if everyone's sense of humour is as good as mine, so I chose not to... --E4024 (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. Chrisrus (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Handshake

Help request

Could you please open a "references" section at the article Rodger Davies and add this news report there, as a citation tag has been added there and I do not know much about these things nor wish to spend the evening on something that is certainly very easy for you or other experienced users... Thank you and selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 11:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Did you mean this?--Rapsar (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Man, I already did it all by myself, but if you did anything to improve my copy-paste, thank you very much. Aslansın! --E4024 (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Thank you for your note. I made no test edits in no article. I only corrected Turkish bias. When i see Turkish PoV i correct it. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.40.79 (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Which Turkish POV? That article is full of anti-Turkish propaganda, let alone nationalist POVs. Read it carefully, with an open mind, and you will see it easily. You removed a part about a very important issue in the article, Greek Cypriot killing of an innocent foreign ambbassador and his colleagues; apparently in relation to the Turkish "invasion". Other than being very important -and may help you understand the mood in Washington D.C. despite the presence of a strong Greek lobby there- this was very well sourced (indeed I remember the event, no idea how old you are and what kind of an education you received) but you possibly think you can whitewash history by blanking WP articles. Do you believe the US State Department learns Cypriot history from WP? It is better -for you- to learn the history instead of trying to hide it. I learn here everyday one or another thing about my country, despite my age and academic background; and recommend you to try to learn something from the WP instead of destroying it. And never again use f words after dead people, be them American or from wherever. (If you are young enough accept it as an uncle's advice.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Name dispute

I wasn't much online today and had little time to spare but I clarified your request at my talkpage by now.TMCk (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Saw it. Hope others did so, too. Thanks again and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

You're quick in responding! I've also edited the name to my comment on the article's talkpage so there should be no misunderstanding about what I meant.TMCk (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
And best to you too.TMCk (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria RfC

Hi E4024. Nobody has yet responded to your question at Talk:Bulgaria#BRD and Clarification and RfC. Your most recent edit asserts that the residents speak either Bulgarian or Turkish. As you seem to acknowledge, this is too sweeping because it omits the Roma, Armenian, Greeks, Vlach etc. Isn't it possible that the article is better off without your edit? I think you are misreading the table at http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/european_languages.htm. It simply lists Turkish under the heading 'Other spoken language.' It doesn't say that all the other minorities speak Turkish. Presumably the table is not intending to list every spoken language, so nothing can be inferred from a language not being mentioned in that table. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish is the second language in that country and I think it should be reflected in the article. (For case similarities see discussions in Turkey article.) My edit has already been reverted like many other things editors are trying to retain about Turkish culture in the Balkans. It looks to me like some people are not happy enough with expelling the Turks from the region but are also trying to eliminate any reference to their presence in the WP articles. (Of course this is not for you.) I would appreciate if you discussed my opinion on the TP of the article; I feel like I have asked a taboo question as no-one comments, in a very discussion-loving topic area like the Balkans... I thank you in advance. --E4024 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

As an admin, I don't want to express my own opinion on content issues regarding Bulgaria. It's just that you might be wondering why nobody responded to your RfC. If you were able to make a definite proposal for better wording, you might attract more support. (Extremely vague RfCs are not a good idea). As it is, it just looks that you were reading sources carelessly. Interpreting this as editors 'trying to eliminate any reference to presence' is surely excessive. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Some Koekjes for you

Buster7 has given you some Nice Koekjes which promote fellowship, goodwill and WikiLove. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of Nice Koekjes around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Koekjes are very tasty and have been known to be so NICE, they will even bake themselves. Enjoy!

```Buster Seven Talk

Mmmmh, very tasty. No idea about to whom I will give "Koekjes" first as I have to find "someone I have had disagreements in the past"; indeed someone who had a chance to receive a nicely smelling Turkish coffee from me as recently as yesterday, lost his chances as he preferred narrow-minded nationalism and the pleasure of "Turk-bashing" to encyclopedia writing with an open mind... --E4024 (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Deprodding of Republic of Pontus

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Republic of Pontus, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Thanks!Alexikoua (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I thought you sent me some biscuits; here, have some Turkish tea with them... --E4024 (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Activism1234 15:19, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Kurtuluş

İlk WP maddemi açtım: Kurtuluş belgesel filmi! Lütfen biraz yardım et bana. Öncelikle maddeyi arayanların kolay bulması için birşeyler yapalım (Kurtuluş-Kurtulus vb). Çok ilginçtir, gemiyi ararken bile "Kurtuluş gemisi" yazınca çıkmıyor, SS yazmak ve "ş" kullanmak gerekiyor! Yani o madde de yardım bekliyor. Hadi beni kutlamak yerine develop this article. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hayırlı olsun :) Aynı isimde başka madde yoksa parantez kullanımı gereksiz madde adlarında. Dolayısıyla parantezli kısmın kaldırılması gerek madde adından. Yine film, İngilizce gösterim adıyla adlandırılmalı. Bu film İngilizce olarak vizyona girdi mi? IMDb'de farklı bir adlandırılma yapılmış mesela. Aksi bir durum yoksa filmin orijinal adı olan Türkçe adı tercih edilmeli. Gemi maddesine gelirsek, sadece "Kurtuluş" adı alabilecek iki bir madde var burada: İstanbul'daki Kurtuluş semti ve Silifke'nin köyü olan Kurtuluş. Aklımıza ilk semt geldiğinden sade ad olan "Kurtuluş" adı, semti anlatan maddeye verilmiş, üst kısmına da "Başka Kurtuluşlar da var, onlara da bakın" gibisinden şuradaki anlam ayrımına bağlantı verilmiş. Geminin adı ise sadece Kurtuluş değil, "SS Kurtuluş". O yüzden Kurtuluş yazınca direk geminin çıkması doğru olmuyor, olamıyor :)--Rapsar (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenedos/Bozcaada: the Ottoman period

What is the issue with not using either name there? Churn and change (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

BRD: Convince me/us in the discussion page of the article. --E4024 (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Fork - bad faith?

I have not been involved in any discussion on Tenedos/Bozcaada naming. You must be mixing me up with somebody else. Churn and change (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a "fork" here. I withdrew the qualification of faith only for being kind to you (civility). No more words for you here, please do not come back. --E4024 (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool down; I did what I thought was right; you did what you thought best. This split wasn't vandalism, nor was it pushing any particular point of view; how would it? On Misplaced Pages many edits take place, and unless there is an attempt to disrupt or vandalize, don't make it personal. Churn and change (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Izmir or İzmir

Hi, You have moved the name İzmir to Izmir in the article Liberation of İzmir. But up to November 29, 2011, the İ in the original article İzmir was İ and not I .(see ) In WP there is no clear cut concensus on the use of non-English letters of the Latin alphabet. Please see the examples of Nové Zámky, Săcueni, Nógrád. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my TP. I did so because Izmir was -and is- Izmir in its own article. Moreover, Istanbul is also Istanbul, as these are common names in English. If you insist on İzmir (the Turkish name of the city) instead of Izmir (the English equivalent) other people may more easily request for awkward outdated names in return. These names are not like the case of "İmroz" (recently re-named "Gökçeada"), the name of a tiny island with its special letters like İ or ü and ç; these are large cities whose names are already settled in English as "Izmir" and "Istanbul". All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Galata

You are probably right about what the name of the article should be, but it must be discussed and consensus obtained. DIscuss it on the page with the modern title. When it is agreed, the articles should be merged. The content about the origin of the ancient name is relevant content--I have not checked to see if there may possibly be other unique content. DGG ( talk ) 17:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I had already opened a discussion thread in Galata and now I tagged it with an RfC template. After 4 or 5 months in WP I am still not very sure about the procedure to follow in every specific case; so I would appreciate it a lot if you did the necessary as you "probably" agree with my opinion. Thanks in advance and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll look at it, DGG ( talk ) 18:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Ceviche

I declined the move suggested in this edit. If Ceviche needs to be moved, please use the procedure at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves, because it would be a controversial move. I don't think the page needs to be moved, though. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my TP. That move request was not controversial when I asked for technical help; but now I see there are two or three users who do not agree with me. Anyhow, I already opened a Move Request discussion on the TP of the said article. (As you might have seen I am not very good at placing templates; the one that you rightly removed was, for example, between the "references" instead of the correct place.) Speaking of references, I would like to ask from you, as both an experienced user interested in the article, and as an admin always ready to help "rather new" users like myself, a simple help: Could you please fix the references to the RAE Dictionary definitions of Cebiche, Ceviche and Seviche; because at present the article has dead ends on these references.

On the other hand, I am sure as an admin you know better than me that you have a right to have an opinion on every article just like any user and am glad that you already told yours. Would you mind writing your arguments pro-"Ceviche" in the discussion thread (Move request: September 2012). Let us see what other users opine and at the end some uninvolved admin will close that move request. As they say in football, "let us hope who plays better wins". Indeed at the end it will be WP who wins. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

By the way, when you notice problems with references, please do not use speedy deletion tags to indicate there's an issue. The speedy deletion tags are for use when you want to propose the deletion of an entire article, not for pointing out problems. There are a variety of templates available for a variety of situations. In the future, please use the most appropriate of these when you identify issues. Thanks! - Eureka Lott 01:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Of course. Why would I do that on purpose? I was only trying to use a "template" to ask admin technical help for a move I considered "not controversial" (I confess I looked only at the TP, not the archives). I was not adding a "tag" for speedy deletion. (I think I learned the correct names of those gadgets at last! Why don't we call all these things simply "tagplates"? :-) In short, I mean I was only trying to make an uncontroversial move. I hope everything is clear now. Also thanks to the revolt I began in the said article now its refs are fixed, a good result... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 09:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Doğan Türkmen (2nd nomination). Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. The Bushranger <sub>One ping only</sub> 00:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Spurlin is accustomed to criticism but I am sorry if you think I hurt his feelings... To show my good faith I am offering him a glass of , here in my space. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that YF had, in addition to leaving a harassing message on my talk page, edit-warred to leave a harassing message on my talk page. Thanks for trying to deal with it. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Not at all. Dealing with users that threaten the civility in this place is more important than anything else in WP. --E4024 (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm so glad you feel that way. Perhaps you could see your way clear to uphold that sentiment by ceasing to treat every IP user you come into contact with with open contempt and backhanded accusations. Comments like " I would like to ask Checkusers and Admins that a regular "check" should be made for every IP that participates in any discussion... --User:E4024|E4024 (User talk:E4024|talk) 19:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)" show a level of hostility and distrust of all IP users that is not really compatible with the ideal that this is the encylopdia anyone can edit. You explicitly do not have to create an account to be treated with dignity and respect, and editing from an IP does not make you automatically a sockpuppet, as your comments on the now deleted talk page of the name of Azerbaijan article would see to suggest. Treating IP users with instant suspiscion is disruptive to harmonious editing and directly contrary to the idea that we assume good faith in the absence of evidence to the contrary. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Let me try to explain it so you -hopefully- will not have a wrong impression of me: I wrote that note due to harassment of IP participants on a move discussion, in which the IPs and me were generally on the same side. I refer to the infamous Bozcaada case. I said IPs should be automatically checked in "voted" discussions because during and after the discussion there was a constant effort of demonizing the IPs without any clear reason. (So I thought -and still think- it is a good idea to do this check during "voted" discussions; better than accusing and trying to discard the IP participants with or without basis.) Clear enough? Thanks to you. --E4024 (talk) 19:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)P.D. At the said discussion I also censured an IP participant because s/he implied the "shit" word for one of the name choices.

You sound like you are trying to say that IP users should be automatically checkusered on a sort of "for their own good" basis. Unless those IPs are mind readers as well, what I said above stands. It looks like an assumption of bad faith whether that is what you intended or not. If IPs are being harassed, it is the person doing the harassing that is the problem. If you see that again report it to administrators at WP:ANI. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me all these subtleties Beeblebrox. I am a simple person and try to explain myself simply, although not always succeed it. Let me give you an example from a split discussion. There is only one IP there expressing an opinion (at present). Look at it: It is the only contribution of that IP to Wp and read its words to see that it is very accustomed (at least more than me) to this kind of WP discussions. What am I supposed to think? I am almost sure that a registered user makes use of an IP (any computer other than his/hers) to support his/her position. Or simply asserting his/her position without the user name because s/he is kind of ashamed to defend the undefendable (that s/he wants to defend for reasons not compatible with a desire to make an objective encyclopedia.) Sorry if I am too stubborn but this is how I see things and yes, I would prefer every IP participating in a move, rename, merge, split etc discussion to pass a checkuser test, for the good of WP, not that of any user. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Notice of personal attack

First of all that talk is an old version as I changed the wording. "Sprutt-spread" Armenian nationalism. (I was being "playful". :-) Secondly I did not know that 2007 thing, thanks for letting me know. Thirdly try not to be the accuser as well as prosecutor and judge of your own case. Last but not the least, I am sorry; I thought you could take it more sportively. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 09:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

IPs have feelings, too!

Seeing above that you stress the importance of civility, I trust that you will read this carefully, assuming good faith and answering in kind. As you may or may not remember, you visited my Talk Page, commenting on another editor's comment to me. Your comment seemed to assume that I (or my IP address) is some kind of tool for someone editing in bad faith. I could, however, not manage to get you to elaborate or explain.

As has also been mentioned by others (above), being an IP editor is not per se something suspect. I am aware that there are lots of IP editors that edit in bad faith, but there are also lots of IP editors doing a good job. And, as I am sure that you know, there are lots of editors with accounts that have no other agenda than making a mess out of Misplaced Pages. By choosing not to register (for reasons I feel are valid), I sometimes have been met by accusations of being "anonymous". Actually, the opposite is true: You are (if you choose to be) more anonymous with an account than without, since the account hides the IP address. My IP address tells more about me than your user name tells about you. Any user, IP or account, should be "presumed innocent" until otherwise proven and should be judged by their edits.

Which brings me to my reason for writing. Yesterday, you had changed the caption of a map in the Balkans article. This was an improvement, but in my opinion the caption was still not really covering the content of the map, so I entered what I felt was more precise. Shortly after, you deleted the map completely. Your edit summary stated that Cyprus is not in the Balkans. That is, of cours, a valid argument, although I am not sure that it is a conclusive one. I had not noticed, and I suspect that neither had you, since you yourself edited the caption yesterday without removing the map then. I have, however, problems with swallowing the rest of your edit summary: "Biassed editor trying to impose nationalist POV." Philosophically speaking, we are all biased to some degree, but I fail to see that you have any ground for the "nationalist POV" accusation. For one thing, it was not me who entered the map in the first place (although I will admit that I find it pertinent and useful), I was just editing the caption. And what nationality? As you can easily find out from my IP address, I do not belong inside the Balkan map at all, far from it. And I can assure you that I have no known ancestry from anywhere close to the area. I just happen to have great interest for the Balkans, the Black Sea area, the eastern Mediterranian area, with friends in several of the countries (including Turkey). I try to be as neutral as possible in my edits, and it hurts a bit to be attacked like this. You see, even IPs are humans (mostly). And we have feelings, too. Regards. --79.160.40.10 (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

140.147.236.194

Is likely not Q because the latter edits from the Middle East, not from the US. Tijfo098 (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I know now; not from the Library of Congress... --E4024 (talk) 08:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

"Sir"

I've learned something from the mistake I've made and I added elements for others to avoid it. NO prob' Mimich (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Me too. For a moment I thought something different; sorry. Have some Turkish coffee

on the house, Sir... E4024 (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: your comment on Talk:Kastelorizo

I find it more appropriate to answer you here than in the Talk:Kastelorizo (or Meis to you), since your comment was directed personally to me. It seems to be important to you that I open an account, but I fail to see why that is. You make comments directly to me, but when asked directly, you do not explain. I find that strange. All I can say is that it will be my own decision if and when I open an account. By the way, I'll stick to my promise to tell you if give Fut.Perf. an answer. Regards. --79.160.40.10 (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria article

I counted eight corrections by Tourbillon from the 13. October. My on the other hand are thee. Anything to say? I think you give some people free pass regardless their reliability. Espor (talk) 19:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Give yourself time to learn what is an edit and what is a revert. Also try to think about why several users are reverting you. --E4024 (talk) 20:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know you can make no more than 3 changes in an article for a period of 24 hours, regardless if it is an edit or a revert. Some time ago, when the users reverting Tourbillon's nonsense were more I told him the same. Then someone told me that WP is not a majority vote institution. Now I's replying to you the same way. The only thing that matters are the arguments and their solidity. The arguments on your side are weak and also biased. Therefore, your number is irrelevant. Espor (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Then go ahead and revert. --E4024 (talk) 20:55, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

IP revert

With regard to your revert of an IP at NK page, you can rv the disruptive edits by IPs or users with less than 500 article space edits without violation of 1RR. But of course you should refrain from edit warring. See the warning of active arbitration remedies on top of the talk page. --Grandmaster 20:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no intention of edit warring in WP, although an edit-warrior called Alexikoua recently caused us both to have a 24 hour rest from contributing to this project for reasons he could better know. If you are looking for an edit warrior in my space, another is just in the previous section of this TP. Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I did not say that you edit warred. On the contrary, I meant that your rv of the IP edits was justified and is not a violation of 1RR on NK page, because the IP was being disruptive and you have the right to undo disruptive edits by IPs without breaking any rv limitations. --Grandmaster 21:15, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Neither did I say that I was not edit warring; I said I had no intention of edit warring... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:17, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sorry for misunderstanding. Grandmaster 21:24, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

88.241.73.17

I declined your request at WP:AIV. While it is promotional vandalism, there haven't been enough warnings to justify a block. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Fort Tenedos

I have added a couple of inline refs - I see an anon reverted your proposed deletion. Wizzy…☎ 07:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Some anons like to revert me, irrespective of the quality of my edits. On the other hand, both refs you added are from unRSs. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

re NKR

This has nothing to do with politics. OK, you want a completely parallel example? Ireland vs Ireland. The country Ireland is not coterminous with the island Ireland. And when Ireland was still named "Republic of Ireland", we would still not complain when people called it Ireland because that was its short form name. The simple fact of the matter is, "Nagorno-Karabakh" is the short-form name of the country, and is used extensively in the article. No one is saying that the NKR is the same as the region of Nagorno-Karabakh. No one is suggesting a merge. You're dreaming boogeymen out of nowhere. --Golbez (talk) 18:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Thanks. Mom says the same... :-) --E4024 (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

The editor has a really unusual history. I noticed them on their edit at Italian Cuisine. Do you know them? Is it just someone blowing off steam? (and I think you are special, too!) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

No. Aucune idée. I only know that everybody is special. --E4024 (talk) 20:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Unusual, quite. Editing in bad faith, no! --VJ.West (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Turkish people

Hi E4024, would you please have a look at the Turkish people article. The recent conflict is very similar to that of which was in the Turkish Cypriots article a few weeks ago.Turco85 (Talk) 11:43, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I see. I am sick and bored of those Geeks. --E4024 (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Ro-Ro Boat

Sorry, robot; or simply "bot". Have you got one to add "province" WLs to the List of Turkish islands? I am a hard worker but not so young to do this manually... --E4024 (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I think it is better to do something like this one. Also some of these islands are not notable, and there is no reason to give them wiki links.--Rapsar (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Although I could not see the difference of those other articles, do as you wish. (It is always better to do something than stand still.) Bazi adalarin "notable" olup olmamasi su anda önemli degil, cünkü bunlar "redlink". It is good to have a -more or less- complete list at hand; so if we lose any rocks we will know which one... :-) My reference to WLs is about the "provinces" (Balikesir, Izmir etc) that these islands and islets belong to. Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to do something like that. I think that's better than the "USA's list" :) We can sort the list by name of the islands, locations and provinces.--Rapsar (talk) 21:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

My, my; that's really nice... --E4024 (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• I'm done with this one. Looks better now, I think.--Rapsar (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

How not? If you made it... Thank you very much dostum. --E4024 (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I did not think you were online :) I fixed some links and it looks even better (even better doğru kullanım mıdır tam emin olamadım ama :)--Rapsar (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Your English is "more better" everyday... :-) --E4024 (talk) 22:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

:)--Rapsar (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Warning for edit warring on Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

You have been edit warring on Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Do not continue to do so. If you do, or make any more reversions, you may be blocked from editing without further warning. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:38, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The person who is edit warring is using two different IPs other than the user name. They are clear sockpuppets. That is the reason I reverted them several times. If you look at how it began, you may see that I was one against 3 (all 3 the same person). If you really are interested in making a better WP, open an SPI case for Inspectortr and the IPs. Thanks all the same. --E4024 (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I have little patience when people try to shift the blame for their own actions onto someone else. You're both edit warring, so you've both received warnings, and if either of you continue to edit war, you may be blocked. That's all that matters here. Additionally, directing passive-aggressive statements at me, such as those about "making a better WP" might just put me off finishing the investigation I'm doing into your accusations of sockpuppetry. If you'd rather I stop so you can file an SPI case instead, you can continue to make such statements. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Kuslar

Belki sen degil ama birisi Kusadasini da ada yapmis galiba. Güvercin filan derken... Oraya bir have a look please. --E4024 (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Done. By the way, can you read Ottoman Turkish? Or do you know someone that can read?--Rapsar (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Daktilo ile (ve hereke kullanarak) yazmislarsa okuyabilirim sanirim. Aksi takdirde no chance... --E4024 (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Çok önemli olmayan şu (resim altları olsa yeterli, çözünürlük düşük belki zor olur okuması). Burada da isimlerin okunması güzel olacaktır.--Rapsar (talk) 22:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I can barely read "Galatasaray Futbol Takimi" in the title. The rest is too difficult... --E4024 (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Derginin adi: "Spor Alemi". (Fotospor'un dedesi galiba... :-) --E4024 (talk) 22:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Bu yazilari daha koyu ve iri, okunakli hale getirip bana gönderirsen I could give it another try. Everything for football... --E4024 (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Tripe soups

To avoid misunderstandings... I have reverted the article to a version before the interference of a sockpuppetteer/POV-pusher. These sockpuppets were Welshwind and the IP, not you. It was just that you drew my attention to the article again. The Banner <sub>talk</sub> 22:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I have no misunderstandings; I was just trying to say that in Turkish there is no word such as "Tuslema" and "Tuzlama" is not tripe soup. Thanks for being kind enough to visit here and talk to me. Best. --E4024 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Regional variations of Baklava

Hi, E4024. Of course baklava is more typical of Turkey, Greece, and Syria than it is of Afghanistan. But frankly, I don't take the "regional variations" section too seriously. It is mostly OR anyway. I do find it interesting that the famous Antep (`Aintab) baklava apparently comes from Aleppo.... So should we put Syria before Turkey? Organizing such a section by modern nation-states is itself silly. --Macrakis (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Do it if you wish so; but I have lived in Syria and never saw something "really" (not in photos) similar to Turkish baklava... --E4024 (talk) 23:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Nicos Anastasiades xlinks

Go with the guidelines at WP:EL, which basically boil down to, if they add information that is useful that we either can't or haven't put in the article yet, they stay. Official websites should always be there, though. Daniel Case (talk) 18:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. It helped me to remove an EL from another article incompatible with the outlines. As regards this one, I believe those two links could be considered within WP:EL "Links normally to be avoided" (5). I asked you as an experienced user not to make a mistake... --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Istanbul

Thanks for the invitation and the great phonetic English message in which you wrote to me. I will check the discussion about Istanbul and see if I can comment there. Istanbul is surely a great city. I dedicate to you a wonderful song about the city called "Istanbul". It is from a Belgian Armenian singer called Marc Aryan. He was actually born in Lebanon but his parents were from Malatya. The song is in French. "Istanbul" song. Sorry about the bad quality of the recording, but "Istanbul" is a truly superb song from an absolute star who sang in many languages including Turkish and where he was too much loved. Some other songs in Turkish by the same singer and and Enjoy! werldwayd (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I thank you very much for the interest and the wonderful songs. Neither Istanbul nor the music of Marc Aryan could possibly be loved "too much". (BTW our beloved WP says he was born in Valence, France.) Thanks again and take care. --E4024 (talk) 08:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)